Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Shadowhunter wrote: "I have no idea why people didn't like it. But i found it too fairy-telly and also I thought the story had no purpose or moral for my liking. And the fact that Edward watched Bella sleep did not ap..."That is one of the things I like about Twilight that the first book is about overcoming your urge to drink her blood because you love her and wouldn't want to hurt her or forfeit her soul...Eclipse is about overcoming prejudices about other races/species by getting to know and respect one person or because of one person and accepting people the way they are...New Moon has a sub-theme about getting past the one person and respecting and trusting a group of people, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...and Breaking Dawn was about growing and changing and still being the same person, but with new insights and maturity.
For the record, I agree that Edward watching Bella sleep was creepy, but he gained a lot of points when (view spoiler)
Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."People originaly hated it because it made vampires to be the perfect sparkly boyfriend/girlfriend, when they're undead blood suckers from acient myth. But then it became cool to hate Twilight. No one that I know hates it for its success.
The Fairy Tale feel is exactly why I love the series. No one in this world could ever have that type of relationship, but it is nice to imagine it every once in a while. The Twilight series is my sweet indulgence; like chocolate.
Julia wrote: "The Fairy Tale feel is exactly why I love the series. No one in this world could ever have that type of relationship, but it is nice to imagine it every once in a while. The Twilight series is my s..."True. But, there are people who take it too seriously.
Anyone who wants an antidote for Twilight (and there should be one) needs to read Bloodsucking Fiends and its sequels, You Suck and Bite Me. At least the characters in those novels have the sense to see the world as it is.
Vanessa wrote: "or is it also because the author made the vampires sparkle under the sun instead of getting burned to ashes? :)"I agree with the Sparkle part. I mean, really? I've seen a LOT of Vampire movies. One of my all-time favorite is "The Lost Boys" with Kiefer Sutherland and Jason Patric. I don't ever remember a Vampire Sparkle in that movie. Usually any form of sun makes their skin burn.
Then there's also the teeth. Why don't they show fangs in the Twilight Saga? I don't get that at all.
There are no morals in Twilight. It is sex without sex and death without death. The vampires don't pay for being vampires; they're just magnificent. The sex with Bella doesn't exist until the last book. The moral of most vampire movies is that you must pay for your powers. There is no such moral in Twilight. That is why Stephen King hates the books and why I distrust Meyer as an author, particularly one who has been a source for so many young girls. I believe that the Twilight books as attractive as Bella and some of the other characters can be, are dangerous.
Gordon wrote: "There are no morals in Twilight. It is sex without sex and death without death. The vampires don't pay for being vampires; they're just magnificent. The sex with Bella doesn't exist until the last ..."No disrespect intended, but when you say you mistrust Meyer. Of course! She claims she's never read about vampires and she is a Mormon (a religion/cult in which men can aspire to become "gods"), both which certainly contributed significantly to the plot line.
As for the "sparkle" conversation, there are many vampire books in which the villian genetically alters either a human to vampire or vice versa. Is that not analogous to "sparkle"? It is a variation of the vampire legend. I know I, for one, have yet to see a female vampire bathe in virgins' blood in a movie. But that is yet another facet of the legend with some historical background.
As for Twilight not having morals. I disagree entirely. Sex after marriage is a good moral. There aren't any drugs. There is marriage before children. There isn't any drinking. (And if you want to stretch it a bit - there is kindness to animals.) What Twilight does have is petting (who in their teens didn't at least venture into heavy petting). And death without death? What is Christianity? Life after life! Just redefined.
The books are a fairy tale. It is unfortunate tweeners and other young folks can be significantly influenced by the books, but then there are many other, worse things in the world that can act as influence.
There is a difference between what you are writing about and what I am writing about. I am discussing that all moral literature teaches that there are costs to the things one desires. Vampires in legend have unlimited life, but it is as the undead. Now I read the solemn twaddle that Edward says to Bella about leaving life behind, but she gets to have a child, gets to be with Edward and gets to be even extra-special because of her pursuit of vampirism. She even gets to stay friends with Jacob. If that's not immoral, I don't know what is. What has she paid? What has she really done but continued to feed her will, something most teens are totally willing to do. Even teenagers, particularly the most aware ones, realize that they cannot simply feed their "I want" part of their consciousness. Sex after marriage is not a good moral if it leads to an obsessive and cruel relationship, see all the Victorians on that one. A lack of drugs is nice, but it has nothing to do with the underlying cause of drug use, impulsive behavior. I see no place where any of this is even faced.
Gordon wrote: "There is a difference between what you are writing about and what I am writing about. I am discussing that all moral literature teaches that there are costs to the things one desires. Vampires in l..."Yes, we are on two different planes of discussion. And on your points, I do agree. In that respect, the books are not fairy tales as fairy tales primarily teach lessons. And the Twilight series does not teach any lessons. But still, why take the series seriously at all? They were written purely for entertainment. And entertainment does not have to teach a lesson. And anticipating your answer that many young people do take these books seriously...well, I'll have to dwell on that before providing an answer.
I'm not a Twilight fan, but seriiously? Vampires are not real, therefore there is not set guideline of vampire characteristics. Allow the author her creativity. If she chose to make her vampires sparkly, then so be it. I don't see what the big fuss is.
I love Edward. But recently, I've begun to think that he is really the only redeeming character. of the 2 or 3(if you count Jacob). Is him stalking Bella creepy? I never thought so. eEdward is not the average guy, he is a vampire. A stalker is not concerned for the stalkee's safety, they're concerned with getting what they want. A vampire meeting their soulmate, well they know it nearly instantly. So as a human, watching her sleep and following , it would be creepy. It's still kind of creepy to a vampire, but more of an act of love, because one of Edward's main motivation for being there? Making sure she is safe. In the vampire world, it is no creepier to watch her sleep than for you to wake up and find that your spouse was watching you sleep. Because you know it was an act of love. Also, edward is fricken' scared that something will happen to Bella because, lets face it, she hasn't even been there 2 months and she has already nearly died twice and nearly gang-raped once. Who wouldn't be scared? But yeah, I do agree the other characters pretty much suck and the whole thing where nobody dies is anti-climatic. I just like edward ;)
Licha wrote: "I'm not a Twilight fan, but seriiously? Vampires are not real, therefore there is not set guideline of vampire characteristics. Allow the author her creativity. If she chose to make her vampires..."yeh there is nothing wrong with making vampires sparkly
Alex wrote: "I love Edward. But recently, I've begun to think that he is really the only redeeming character. of the 2 or 3(if you count Jacob). Is him stalking Bella creepy? I never thought so. eEdward is not ..."i totally agree with you, you make a great point. Did you know that nine out of ten people enjoy gang rape
funny but wrong
i loveeee the series of books but i have to say all theses discussions on em everywhere u look and its always the same thing.and u have childish girls asking stupid questions like "edward or jacob" "what happens when shes on a period?" over and over.thats what has made eveyone sick of it i think.i still love it but alot of younger girls do ruin it with there silly discussions on silly questions.
Naomibrooksnaomi wrote: "i still love it but a lot of younger girls do ruin it with there silly discussions on silly questions."Meh, nobody is forced to follow discussions if they think them to be silly.
But the point you raise is funny, because I don't see many of the haters producing any more interesting, less silly discussions. Contrarily they are just happily adding to the, according to them, already superfluous number of "twilight" discussions. Repeating the same "I hate twilight" mantra over and over again, and only with extreme luck you will find one that can actually reason why he or she "hates twilight", other than hating twilight just being the flavor of the day, is not doing much to create one of those apparently so dearly missed smart discussions.
Silly discussions will not suddenly end because of people telling them to, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if they did, the haters would be the ones to miss them most.
I mean if they really didn't want to talk about it, wouldn't it be best for them to, you know, just not talk about it?
Gerd wrote: "Naomibrooksnaomi wrote: "i still love it but a lot of younger girls do ruin it with there silly discussions on silly questions."Meh, nobody is forced to follow discussions if they think them to..."
agreed i c em all the time discussing it just as much as the people that do like it ? lol ,they r fueling these dicussions to go on if they ignored it we wouldnt have anything to argue about or to stick up for and then the conversation would surly get old ,but because they keep bringing up stupid remarks it fuels people to again stick up for it.It does do my head in tho when i c the titles "what happens when shes on her period" theres been a few like that and no i dont get involved or give it the time of day and theyre just silly little girls that get under my skin we come on here to discuss seriously not things like that (well i do anyway )
Naomibrooksnaomi wrote: "It does do my head in tho when i c the titles "what happens when shes on her period" ..."Ah, there's a certain inevitability to the question popping up when reading Vamp lore and it certainly beats the "Ed or Jacob" questions.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I don't think that's the case. It's because, it's unrealistic and far fetched.
Gerd wrote: "Naomibrooksnaomi wrote: "It does do my head in tho when i c the titles "what happens when shes on her period" ..."Ah, there's a certain inevitability to the question popping up when reading Vam..."
lol obviously .........i would love a fresh bunch of new questions on this topic tho
Kylie wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I don't think that's the case. It's because, it's unrealistic and far fetched."
It's supposed to be unrealistic. It's a fiction book.
people today think they could have that kind of realtionship but they can't its just not possible at all what do u think
exactly thank u for saying that its suppose to be unrealistic
I remember first reading them and being slightly obsessed. I thought Edward and Bella were adorable, but as I read more into the series I started to lose interest. I'm not really sure why, I think it was because there aren't any redeeming morals to the book. In harry potter we read about love, strength, friendship, courage, and so much more. That's why I HATE it when people think Twilight is better written than Harry Potter.
Angela wrote: "exactly thank u for saying that its suppose to be unrealistic"No prob
thanks people don't understand the authors point in the book or they just want to believe the unreal
Angela wrote: "thanks people don't understand the authors point in the book or they just want to believe the unreal"Exactly
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kylie wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I don't think that's the case. It's because, it's unrealistic and far fetched."
It's supposed to b..."
Fiction is supposed to deal in truth. There are structures to it that elicit our belief. If fiction does not follow that path, it becomes untrue. This difference is discussed by Robert Penn Warren in his book on Understanding Fiction. When an author chooses a genre (vampires, fantasy), he or she is making a tacit agreement to follow that genre's constraints. Likewise, the author makes a commitment to have cause and effect follow a believable world, given the world created by the author. That Meyer decides to make Edward sparkly is a direct contradiction of the systemic constraints in such a book and in such a genre. Therefore, Meyer is immoral.
Gordon wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kylie wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I don't think that's the case. It's because, it's unrealistic a..."
Her story, her choice.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Her story, her choice."Agreed. Someone has to start the "rules" in the first place. Meyer has now created a world of sparkly vampires. It's "true" in the world of her fiction and if anyone else chooses to write about sparkly vampires.
The bigger issue for me is that the writer follows their own rules. Their rules shouldn't contradict in their world.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kylie wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I don't think that's the case. It's because, it's unrealistic and far fetched."
It's supposed to b..."
Oh, I'm not saying that it's not supposed to be. That's what I've heard from people that hate it. You've heard that people can relate to it. Others say "What is there to relate to?"
One question...Why does it bother people that others hate this book?
Liz wrote: "I hate the books because I view "Bella" as the worst type of character for young, malleable women to be reading. She is the worst role-model for young girls. Any woman who attempts suicide to get ..."I would love to see it!
Sable wrote: "One question...Why does it bother people that others hate this book?"I'm not sure to be honest. I doesn't bother me, but I also don't think it's the best book franchise ever. People are just passionate about the series. For some, this is the first book series they've ever really cared about at all. It invokes feelings on both sides.
Nicole wrote: "Sable wrote: "One question...Why does it bother people that others hate this book?"I'm not sure to be honest. I doesn't bother me, but I also don't think it's the best book franchise ever. Peopl..."
Eh, that makes sence. I guess I don't understand why people get worked up over things like this is because I'm pretty laid back.
I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't like it. My friends were huge fans in high school, which is why I read the series. I found her writing to be mediocre and her characters bland. On the plus side, I like the idea that young people are starting to read again.
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
its nice to see someone who isn't a fan honestly experss their thoughts without bashing and ranting about who stupid the book is. :) thanks.
Vanessa wrote: "or is it also because the author made the vampires sparkle under the sun instead of getting burned to ashes? :)"hahaha, i think that is funny. yeah, i alot of people i know who hate the series say that. i must admit that sparkling is a cliche in a vampire novel at least.
Mereworth wrote: "I have read all four books, and I admit, I slightly enjoyed reading them, while at the same time harbouring a growing distaste for the contents and the characters, etc, etc. I think people who HAVE..."yeah, i understand your points and kinda agree. sometimes Bella can annoy me with all of the dramtic things she does. like almost killing herself because of her depression when Edward left, i mean come on.
and i HATED breaking dawn, though i like the other three books. Bella goes from having human flaws to sort of being a Mary Sue because she has NO probelm with resisting human blood. UGH!
Amy wrote: "I think that while the relationship between Bella and Edward draws some people in, it turns others off the series. While I was reading the series there were parts I enjoyed, but in real life Edward..."yeah. i hate the message that Meyer was trying to put out there and i dont agree with a lot of things in the book. no girl should be that dependent on a guy but there is something about it that is very different from a lot of romance YA novels. maybe that is why it became so 'popular' (i use quotes because it really depends on who you are if it is popular to you).
Olivia wrote: "I think because its just so popular... i mean, obviously it has fans (like me) but because people have made a big deal about it, there are obvi people who are gonna be like "it sucks" because they..."agreed. sometimes the haters get on my nervus. i mean, i respect that no everyone likes it, i totally do. but if you have to go on and on about it is like GROW UP already. life it too short to bash and rant on books you dont like weather you have read them or not.
but its not everyones cup of tea and i get that :)
Not everyone is gonna like the same things in life. That's just a fact. I know sometimes when you really love something it is really hard to imagine how other people don't like it. That's what makes us interesting as humans though. We are all unique. We would be very bored of each other if we all liked the same things.However, here are some of the reasons I think people may not be into Twilight, and I will just add that I am a big fan of the series myself -
1. Bella can be quite a pathetic character and hard to empathise with as she really does get herself into the worst situations, when other people would be running a mile
2. Some people would find it hard to get why she falls for Edward so quickly and is willing to give up her friends and family for him
3. The dialogue is very very cheesy in parts and can continue for pages and pages.
4. Some people just don't like fantasy.
5. People may not like the fact that Bella is like the old-fashioned fairy princesses that have to be rescued by a handsome prince and can't just stand on their own two feet.
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I read Twilight before it became 'cool' and I loved it, I was totally hooked and once I'd finished the first two I went straight out to buy Eclipse. But Once the films came out and everyone jumped on the bandwagon and loved it it kind of died a little for me. I've read it that many times and although I love it, I can see grammar mistakes and such, which I didn't see the first time because I was totally wrapped up in the lovestory.I have to say I probably am jealous of what Edward and Bella have, I also don't think that she's as bad as what people her out to be. The series did go downhill after Twilight, I only read half of New Moon and Breaking Dawn was utterly terrible for me.
Charlotte wrote: "I read Twilight before it became 'cool' and I loved it, I was totally hooked and once I'd finished the first two I went straight out to buy Eclipse. But Once the films came out and everyone jumped ..."yeah i didnt like Breaking Dawn at all, though i like the series. that book, no offence, stunk because Bella becomes a Mary Sue when is turned into a vampire and has NO probelms with human blood.
Charlotte wrote: "I read Twilight before it became 'cool' and I loved it, I was totally hooked and once I'd finished the first two I went straight out to buy Eclipse. But Once the films came out and everyone jumped ..."yeah i didnt like Breaking Dawn at all, though i like the series. that book, no offence, stunk because Bella becomes a Mary Sue when is turned into a vampire and has NO probelms with human blood.
I wonder if the story would be different if Bella wasn't such a nerd, like she is
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "I wonder if the story would be different if Bella wasn't such a nerd, like she is"i think that is a reason. so it so dependent on Edward and whiney. where as with a heronine with a spine it is less cirticed. ie, not to change the subject, Vampir Diaries where Elena is more of a kick butt heroine.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "I wonder if the story would be different if Bella wasn't such a nerd, like she is"i think that is a reason. so it so dependent on Edward and whiney. where as with a heronine with a spine it is less cirticed. ie, not to change the subject, Vampir Diaries where Elena is more of a kick butt heroine.
They are just another books that I don't hate, but I'm not very fond of. First of all, Edward has a strong attraction to Bella's blood yet Stephenie Meyer seems to have forgotten to think & mention about Bella's period in all those books. What actually happens when Bella gets her period?
And, the story isn't extraordinary. Not burning in the sun but sparkling doesn't make the books any different or better from all the other vampire stuff.
Finally, and most importantly, little fangirls forget that Twilight characters are NOT real people. There are no Edward or Jacob out there.
I'm so sorry, but I tend to think that Twilight and Justin Bieber fans are all the same people.
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The strange thing here is that even nerds like to single out other nerds for sexist reasons:
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