Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Bogwurst wrote: "I quote Stephen King:“Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfri..."
Twilight is sexier
All I have to say is one of the fundamental aspects of a well written piece of literature is ever growing and changing characters. These characters never change and never will. It isn't even the fact that they will never age. If you want to read about characters who will never age but grow and change in tremendous ways then read 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' or 'Peter Pan.'
People hate it because its successful.
I just think its annoying how people always compare Harry Potter with Twilight. They are both completely different genre's and in my opinion, have nothing to do with each other. Most people hate Twilight because it is seen as a generally shallow sort of story with basic animalistic themes which do not have any real substance.
Jennifer wrote: "All I have to say is one of the fundamental aspects of a well written piece of literature is ever growing and changing characters. These characters never change and never will. It isn't even the fa..."The Picture of Dorian Gray was a hauntingly fantastic example!!!
...Am I the only one who feels like no one from Twilight is sexy?! XD
Sable wrote: "...Am I the only one who feels like no one from Twilight is sexy?! XD"Nooo cause I feel the same!! :')
Mereworth wrote: "Sable wrote: "...Am I the only one who feels like no one from Twilight is sexy?! XD"Nooo cause I feel the same!! :')"
Sweet!
I dont hate Twilight but there are major problems in the books.Here are the things I or other people noticed and why there are lots of hate out there:1-I think the biggest reason is Bella is a weak character.She is annoying and quite selfish.She is sooo in love with Edward, then have feelings for Jacob also and there are some people who wants to kill her and thats it.Thats the whole story.I just summarized all books.
2-The story is not interesting, not different.There is no depth.All she does is being in love with a vampire and thats not even realistic.How she fell in love,I mean.
I used to like the books but then when I was reading them the second time I noticed things didnt make sense.Its like she is living in a dream world.Everything is about her boyriend and how she doesnt want to lose him.She never changes, she never grows up.You know what, when people, vampires etc. want you dead you get stronger.You should.Life is not easy and we all grow up.But not Bella.No.Because she is in love with Edward and thats all matters.The other characters too.Edward is one hundred and eight years old but really has an emotional maturity of a seventeen-year-old boy.There are no character development in the books.
3- The ones who love the book act like Twlight is 'Bible'.They worship Twilight!They act like Twilight created something new.When a new book/movie comes (they do this for previous works too) they go like 'oh they stole it from Twilight'.Really?!Ah makes me really mad!!!In reality Twilight feels like a rip off sometimes but nooo cant be because Twilight rocks and it's the only book using elements like love triangle, endless love, vampires etc.!Those fans and how they react sometimes, urggg too much!These fangirls, really scare the shit out of me.
4- Sparkling vampires.Ok.There are no such thing as a vampire.But.But.There are rules and vampires just dont sparkle ok?In the movie that was like the lamest scene ever.It doesnt make sense.Why/how they sparkle?The author admitted she didnt make any research.Yeah, I can totaly see.
5-The 4th book killed the fame of others.Really sucked .Really.There no real plots in the book.The only plot is about how Bella is in love with Edward and Bella nearly gets killed.The other characters?Ahh, nothing happens to them.Everthing is about Bella and Edward.And Jacob imprints on renesmee?!
6-When you read lots of book you realize Twilight books are not written good.The author has cool ideas but she is not a master at writing.There are authors who have amazing ways of working with words but who aren't getting the same amount of recognition as her.
When you are a teenager this may not be problem but when you get older you realize there is something called lazy writing.How the hell she got pregnant please explain?
7-This book is about love?Ok.What a unrealistic love this is.Edward comes like a stalker sometimes, at first book.Bella too.Edward is soo good looking, even when he ignores her and acts all creepy she pursues him.She is the worst role model ever.When Edward left him she hung out with Jacob but when he came back she kicks him to the curb.Selfish, anyone?
8-Sex sells.Even when you dont do it.Its either how Edward want to wait or how hot the shirtless werewolves were.We dont get their side of the story cause everything is again about Bella and Edward.
9-The cast and their acting is a huge problem for some people. (I agree,either Kristin cant act or her character is too shallow and dull)
10-Fans are all about team Edward vs Team Jacob.Haha,thats all the books are about so makes sense:) Everyone wants a piece of Bella and thats it.Thats the story.Bella has no problems, she is perfect.She doesnt have problems with being a new born too.If I was Jasper,I'd be pissed to.What makes her special?Oh cause she is the lead character.Riiiiggght.What a shocker.She is so perfect its gets boring.Everybody is like Mary Sue.
11- People are getting sick of seeing "Twilight" everywhere
12- There are huge vampire fanbase out there since Anne Rice and Buffy/Angel etc. It makes people sad when they dont find what they were looking for or they are just not interested in these kind of books and cant figure out what's all the buzz is about
13-Fangirls forget it's fictional
14-Nobody dies.Nobody is in real danger cause we all knew nothing would happen to the characters.
What makes me sad,I can continue this list.And it would be easier then why Twilight rocks list.
Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."No, that's not it. There are legit reasons for hating the book, and it's not because it's commercially popular.
Tamara wrote: "I dont hate Twilight but there are major problems in the books.Here are the things I or other people noticed and why there are lots of hate out there:1-I think the biggest reason is Bella is a we..."
I agree with you! Those things you listed out are some of the exact reasons for my perpetual frustration with Twilight! Overrated, shallow and self-obsessed. Gives quite a strong inclimation as to the character of Meyer, to be honest. She'd get on fantastically well with Kristen Stuart!
Raheem wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."No, that's not it. There are legit reasons for hating the book, and it's not because it's commercially popular."
true, but- don't you think its success is a big reason for the abundance of expressions of said hatred?
Jennifer wrote: "All I have to say is one of the fundamental aspects of a well written piece of literature is ever growing and changing characters. These characters never change and never will. It isn't even the fa..."I somewhat disagree. Maybe it depends on how you see it but I think Bella has gone from someone just drifting along with the current of life to someone who knew what she wanted and did whatever she could to achieve it.
I think Edward learned what it means to be in a relationship. He learned to be less controlling; he learned that he didn't always know best and that couples must compromise in certain situations.
Kirby wrote: "true, but- don't you think its success is a big reason for the abundance of expressions of said hatred? ."I certainly think so. It's because it has become so popular and praised that people who think it doesn't deserve that kind of acknowledgement try to balance it out with hate.
People need something to hate and complain about and for now it's Twilight.In a few months or so everyone will move on to something esle to hate.
Renee wrote: "I think it's just not "cool" to like it. I love it and I don't care what anyone else thinks. The author has the ability to pull me into Edward and Bella's world and I love it."I agree.
I don't think there's any shame in liking twilight.
As a non-fan of the series (Yes I have read all 4 books) here is a list of reasons why I didn't like it...1. The story dragged on way too long!
2. It is too perfect. Everything is just works out exact in the end. No major characters die. Nothing bad really happens, and if it does, well it wasn't that big of a deal at the time.
3. Bella is a huge complainer.
4.The most interesting characters in the story are secondary characters.
5. First book in a nutshell I love you but your a vampire, but I love you...
6. And more reasons...
I think S. Meyers has a lot more potential when it comes to writing too!
Jake wrote: "As a non-fan of the series (Yes I have read all 4 books) here is a list of reasons why I didn't like it...1. The story dragged on way too long!
2. It is too perfect. Everything is just works out..."
have you read the host? I think you might would like it...
Kirby: I haven't read that... I will give it a try after my next two books. Does the book have a heavy romance element?
Kirby wrote: "Raheem wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."No, that's not it. There are legit reasons for hating the book, and it's not because it's commercially popular."
true, but-..."
Yeah, that is true. If Twilight wasn't successful it would have nowhere near as much hatred. But again, the fact that the book is a commercial success isn't the source or reasoning for the hatred.
Raheem wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Raheem wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."No, that's not it. There are legit reasons for hating the book, and it's not because it's commercially popular..."
True, it's a matter of personal opinion.
Jake wrote: "Kirby: I haven't read that... I will give it a try after my next two books. Does the book have a heavy romance element?"It has a romance element, certainly, but it is much more than that. There is real tension in the book, real characters and reasonably high stakes. No one is obsessive and no one stalks anyone else. No one watches someone else sleep! I loved it. The opening is a bit challenging in that it is confusing. Push passed it and you'll have a fun read.
Raheem wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Raheem wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "People hate it because its successful."No, that's not it. There are legit reasons for hating the book, and it's not because it's commercially popular..."
I wouldn't rule that out as a reason.
It's popular to hate things just for the sake of hating it, especially among the internet. And the more popular you are, the easier a target you make.
Jennifer wrote: "All I have to say is one of the fundamental aspects of a well written piece of literature is ever growing and changing characters."
Not sure if I principally agree with that, there's some great literature where the main conflict comes from characters that are marked by exactly the opposite, their inability to change, grow or conform.
However, I do think it's a fair critic regarding the "twilight" books. Even though the first does end with a promise of change, Stephenie never pursues the idea.
Technically, the writing wasn't solid. Many people complain the core idea is shallow and that the characters aren't realistic/flawed enough.I personally think you have to accept Twilight in the spirit with which it was written. Meyer, a newbie writer, penned Twilight as the first-person account of a teenage girl. Sometimes teenage girls are shallow, over-dramatic, romanticize love, and use poor judgement. Meyer paired that dreamy teen feel with sexual tension, a classic love triangle, and a high-concept idea at the time (vamps/wolves). Her execution was average but her story-telling ability hit a sweet spot with girls/women who love to swoon over a sappy love story. Some folks enjoy a sappy story all tied up with a pretty bow and others don't. I personally enjoyed the characters of Twilight, but I'm a sucker for that kind of thing.
I personally think you have to accept Twilight in the spirit with which it was written. Meyer, a newbie writer, penned Twilight as the first-person account of a teenage girl. Sometimes teenage girls are shallow, over-dramatic, romanticize love, and use poor judgement. Meyer paired that dreamy teen feel with sexual tension, a classic love triangle, and a high-concept idea at the time (vamps/wolves). Her execution was average but her story-telling ability hit a sweet spot with girls/women who love to swoon over a sappy love story. Some folks enjoy a sappy story all tied up with a pretty bow and others don't. I personally enjoyed the characters of Twilight, but I'm a sucker for that kind of thing. Agreed. to make more of Twilight is to try and make my grocery list into a classic. They are two entirely different things, designed to serve very different purposes. But both are useful. To trash the shopping list because it isn't a classic is about as stupid as slamming Twilight because it isn't Great Expectations, or War and Peace, or Gone with the Wind... unrealistic
I don't really understand why people hate The Twilight Saga. I mean yes it is about vampires and teenage love but then again Romeo and Juliet is the same concept (Forbidden Love, Lust, Family difficulties, etc...) I think people stereotype it. I do think the concept and depth of bella and edward's love is real and people do find and have that kind of relationship. Some poeple say Edward is a creeper but I disagree. The only reason he tried to dictate who she could hang out with was because she chose a pack of shapre-shifters! I mean look at what happened to Emily and she was his "soul mate". He had every right. Also Bella was very insecure. Most teenage girls are but as the series progresses she evolves and becomes more mature and gains more confidence. Before anyone can say that they hate the book I suggest they read it and really leave all prenotions about it behind.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I completely agree!!! I know I am!
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
I'm really interested in why you think the love of Edward and Bella is unrealistic (avoiding the vampire/human part) and why it's stupid? But I completely agree with you about how annoying it is to hear people say they hate the books when they haven't even read it.
I've read the whole series twice. And to tell you the truth, the second one was my favorite. Because after Edward was out of the picture, personally, it seemed a tiny bit more realistic, since Jacob is "alive".And when I first read the series, the whole sparkling thing was like, wow, a new take on vampires. But then I read it again, and I dispised the idea of sparkling vampires. And then the first movie, which was horribly made, made them look like they were boiling! It was horrible! But yeah...I think I'd prefer my vampire burning up...though I have read one series where the older the vampire the more sun they can take. :P
But in my opinion, the books were pretty good...though...well yeah. I've read much better books though. :P
Liz wrote: "I hate the books because I view "Bella" as the worst type of character for young, malleable women to be reading. She is the worst role-model for young girls. Any woman who attempts suicide to get ..."This is a huge issue I have with the book as well. I hate the example it is setting for the younger generation. None of the relationships in the book are healthy ones, and people should NOT go looking for these relationships.
Neway... I like the abusive relationship test. Thats hilarious! A+ to you for awesomeness!!
I personally don't like Stephanie Meyers as a person. I think she is a money grubbing a...hole. Once you are a millionaire, you shouldn't complain about your fans pirating your book (or music/movie for that matter) because most fans will still buy the new book, or a t-shirt, or some other kind of merchandise. You will continue to be a millionaire/billionaire. She refuses to write any more of Midnight Sun for her fans because they were "dishonest" and DLed it to read the first half. I am pretty sure 90% of her fans that read the first half would have went out to buy the book when she was finished. Instead of being mad at the person who leaked the book, she punished the fans.
On top of my dislike for Meyers, I think these books set a horrible example for the younger generation (under 17 years old). The relationships are unhealthy. Bella is driven completely by her self-serving nature (having no respect for anyone else). It isn't written very well. The fourth book was extremely predictable and ended horribly (there could have been an awesome battle but she ended the series with a conversation). And a personal pet-peeve, Meyers used the word chagrin multiple times (if you are going to use a word multiple times throughout your story, pick one that people as a whole use in everyday language, this way they won't notice its overuse).
Needless to say, I enjoyed it while reading. Upon reflection of the series (the messages it sends out) and then finding out how much Meyers cares not about her fans, I turned into a hater.
Maybe because its a happily-ever-after most people never get or even see. Haters dont have to like it, but dont bum the rest of us out. I some of us acually like these books.Although i dont think there are flaws, its a sweet love story (with some unnecessary things like vampires and werewolves, if they were all human then i think people would like it better) but i take the flaws and accept them with the over all story.
people hate twilight because they dont know the meaning of love.the book is the exact meaning of why and what love is and trust me all the book have love between edward and bella!!!!!!
Well, Twilight is not a great books. The characters are boring, there is no plot and it's poorly written. But it's not the reason. My reason is that people compare it to Harry Potter. I mean Harry Potter has all the things a good book needs and Twilight has not, obviously.And NO, it's not popular to hate Twilight. All most all of my friends like it and I think it's because they haven't read any real books.. I mean good books.
Everyone has different tastes in books. Some people don't like sappy romance between vampires. If Twilight hadn't become a major hit like it did, I'm sure no one would care enough to hate it. It's that it's such a huge deal and there are so many people that love and rave about it that might make people claim they hate it.I used to be obsessed with Twilight (me and every other girl in the sixth grade), but i'm on neutral ground now. Like it, don't love it. I wouldn't go up to a person and start making fun of them or arguing with them about whether they love or hate Twilight. Ahh, it feels nice to be (as Bella would say) Switzerland!
I liked the books in the beginning, for about 2 years. But then I actually started thinking about the characters and what they did, and honestly, Bella and Jacob, 2 of the main characters of the series, are extremely unlikable, and kind of selfish. Like Bella screaming at night because she was dumped? Going into "zombie mode", and doing whatever she could just so she could see Edward again was pretty unlikable. And Jacob saying he was going to KILL himself for a KISS. And doing all the stuff he did for a girl he leaves for the DAUGHTER?Just, no. No.
It has as much to do with the fans as the books. The fans are mostly girls. I guarantee the ratio of boys to girls in this fanbase is probably something like 1:1,000. And for some sexist reason, the fewer men in the fanbase, the more criticism and vitriol will be aimed at it.Think of something that boys like as a general rule: Transformers, comic book movies, James Bond, &c. A lot of these things are just as ridiculous as Twilight, and some are even worse. But if you say you hate Transformers, you'll likely be told to "Lighten up, it's just for fun," whereas if you like Twilight, you'll be derided and deemed stupid and air headed for liking something so ridiculous.
It's very, very true that the Twilight series has many faults. And I know that a lot of the people criticizing it ARE basing their reasons purely on the book. But in the end, the real issue comes down to the fact that the fanbase is primarily female, and whatever girls flock to in numbers, guys will ridicule.
For another example, substitute "Twilight" for "Justin Bieber".
Josefine wrote: "Well, Twilight is not a great books. The characters are boring, there is no plot and it's poorly written. But it's not the reason. My reason is that people compare it to Harry Potter. I mean Harry ..."are you kidding it is the most breathtaking book :/
Teresa wrote: "It has as much to do with the fans as the books. The fans are mostly girls. I guarantee the ratio of boys to girls in this fanbase is probably something like 1:1,000. And for some sexist reason,..."that's a very good point...
Here is a question for you all... why do you like the book?And as for the boy comparison/sexist reason... people only make fun of things people are obsessed about. People make fun of star wars nerds, Harry potter nerds. Obsession over things confuses and distances people.
Jake wrote: "Here is a question for you all... why do you like the book?And as for the boy comparison/sexist reason... people only make fun of things people are obsessed about. People make fun of star wars ne..."
well, that's true too- I had forgotten about the poor star wars nerds! :)
there are 3 crowds that go with twilight people that love it, people who don't have a problem with it and also people who hate it some people hate it cause they just thought plain out thought the book/movie was stupid in that case they are entitled to there opinion however for the people who hate twilight just because they want to be a hater. then quit insulting a book saga that has enticed millions of fans for no specific reason and quit following the crowd OK
I tried to read the first book. Poorly written. I mean uninteresting word choices, lazy use of language. Then there's Bella. OMG what a whiny, little snot. Take a Prozac, Please! And what about Edward? He's, what, 400 years old? and he's still in high-school? And he's into a high-school girl? How creepy is that? Blech.I get the appeal for adolescent girls. I really do. That doesn't make it a good book.
Though this reason seems baseless, people tend to dislike Twilight because many fans of the series rave about its splendor. Honestly, I'll bet that many Twilight haters haven't tried reading it for themselves and have simply adopted the opinions of critics.Personally, I found the series somewhat dull, but I didn't absolutely hate it.
Christina wrote: "Though this reason seems baseless, people tend to dislike Twilight because many fans of the series rave about its splendor. Honestly, I'll bet that many Twilight haters haven't tried reading it fo..."thank you! personally i think its a great series but at least you gave it a chance 88% of twilight haters haven't even read the book series and they want to say its crap but they really shouldn't judge a book by its color even it the vampires sparkle
I read the books after they became super popular because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about and form my own opinions. (I agree that people who have never read them shouldn't say they hate them.) I didn't HATE the books, but I didn't like them, either. I remember describing the writing style to my mom this way: "We fell in love. Then we went and fingerpainted." I definitely feel like the people who said on this thread that there wasn't a substance were right. Also, I despised Bella because she was so whiny, which made it hard for me to get behind the characters. And finally, I am admittedly a huge Harry Potter fan (since 1998!), and I get really frustrated when people compare them. They're just not comparable - that's like comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they're both fruits (or book series about fantasy and teenagers), but they have completely different purposes. Namely, Twilight is a romance and Harry Potter is more about friendship and loyalty. So I think that about says it all!
I have no idea why people didn't like it. But i found it too fairy-telly and also I thought the story had no purpose or moral for my liking. And the fact that Edward watched Bella sleep did not appeal to me.... found it creepy actually.
People hate it because they can't see quality story-telling and are ignorant to beautiful writing. Remember when Edward met Jacob in prison? They made an everlasting friendship and Edward made a promise ot Jacob, that they'd meet again outside the prison walls.
i think people don't like the movies or hate someone who loves it
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“Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfri..."
That quote always makes me wonder.
On the back of the book it practically spells it out for you:
"This book is all about teen love."
So, people that hate it are complaining about their own inability to read, then?
Because I can hardly find another explanation for anybody possibly picking it up and expecting it to be about anything else than that?