The Son of Neptune
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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?
Reneered wrote: "Galini wrote: "Josey wrote: "Piper! She's had it hard, and Reyna's okay and all, but he was never interested in her even before he was memory-jacked.. so, yeah."True! Though he has been showed to..."
Completely agree :) Can't wait to read the book, and see Jason's expression when he meets Reyna once again (unlike what people might think, I don't have anything against the couple, and might even enjoy it if it ever happens)! The thing is, I hope the book doesn't turn out like The Serpent's Shadow, which was a total disappointment to me. I wish Rick never even added love triangles or whatever people call them -they're just too cliché and stupid!
-A very pissed of Galini (muahaha, I stole it from you!!)
Reneered wrote: "Hannah wrote: "reyna is wierd"Um, Reyna is kickass. She's not weird. She ROCKS!!!!!
-A very pumped up Scarlett Rose"
And, once again, totally agree xD I COMPLETELY LOVE HER!!
-A very insert-adjective-here Galini
Galini wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Galini wrote: "Josey wrote: "Piper! She's had it hard, and Reyna's okay and all, but he was never interested in her even before he was memory-jacked.. so, yeah."
True! Though he h..."
NOOOO!!!! You stole it!! *smiles evilly* I'm going to get it back. *walks up into Galini's post and takes away the bit that says, "A very pissed off Galini (muahaha, I stole it from you!!) and erases Galini's memory and desire to steal the signing out thing* There! You know, I think I should've taken away Jason's and Percy's memories, not Juno/Hera.
-A very satisfied Scarlett Rose
True! Though he h..."
NOOOO!!!! You stole it!! *smiles evilly* I'm going to get it back. *walks up into Galini's post and takes away the bit that says, "A very pissed off Galini (muahaha, I stole it from you!!) and erases Galini's memory and desire to steal the signing out thing* There! You know, I think I should've taken away Jason's and Percy's memories, not Juno/Hera.
-A very satisfied Scarlett Rose
Like I said before, neither are going to be picked because I feel like Piper or Reyna will die in MOA.
Marisa wrote: "Like I said before, neither are going to be picked because I feel like Piper or Reyna will die in MOA."I really hope not because Rick Riordan might lose some fans because of that...
...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?
April wrote: "Jason thinks she is cute anyway. He thinks EVERYTHING she does is cute even the way she was breathing when she was asleep"
OMG SOOO TRUE!!
OMG SOOO TRUE!!
Personally, sometimes, romance is overthrowing the plot and the real story of the book. =( I mean, it would be nice not to have the same kind of POV in The Mark of Athena like what happened in The Lost Hero.I mean, in TLH, it's like filled with Piper's feelings for Jason, and probably vice-versa. At least, Rick Riordan did not overdo it in The Son of Neptune.
These are just my opinions. Sorry if I hurt anyone. =(((
Reneered I have read through your argument for Jason and Reyna. And I have to say that a few of your arguments are a bit weird and not necessarily true either. And I like to comment on it, if you still up for debating.Since your list of arguments are long will my comments be long too. I will have to divide it.
- Kick-ass (C'mon, she's the daughter of the goddess of war and can DEFINITELY fight. After all, Percy did see her "flying into battle" when Camp Jupiter was attacked).
+Piper had got no combat training in the lost hero. It will be interesting to see her after some training. Thalia thought Piper was tough for a child of Aphrodite and even try to recruit her as a huntress of Artemis.
- Deathly loyal to her camp (She would do anything to save the camp, even let Percy be praetor).
+"Even let Percy be praetor". You make it sound as Percy being praetor is something bad. He was send there to be the new praetor, so he and Jason could unite the camps. Reyna also prefer a praetor in power, a warrior like Jason and not a schemer like Octavian. And Reyna recognize that Percy was the best for the job.
Piper has only been to camp for one day and she was blackmailed by one of the giants, Enceladus. But she chose to stand by her friends and when she understood how serious the situation was, she was prepared to sacrifice her dad to save the world.
- Stoic (She tries not to show emotion, even when tortured).
+I do see "not showing emotions" as a weakness. And where did you get the "even when tortured" from? Please post a reference.
- Not unlike Annabeth (Reyna and Annabeth are both smart, kick-ass, and loyal, although, in my opinion, Annabeth has a worse temper and acts like an Ice Queen sometimes).
+Percy who is Annabeth's boyfriend don't make this comparison. Piper in other hand is compared to Annabeth in the lost hero. Rashel say the two of them are were much alike, in the end of chapter IX. And it also mention a couple of times that Piper is smart in the book too. Jason's first impression of Piper was:
"Cute, smart, and violent. Jason wished he remembered having her as a girlfriend". The lost hero chapter II.
- Strong (I mean, she ran Camp Jupiter for pretty much a year while looking for Jason, and fighting off monsters, and fighting off Octavian).
+Reyna wasn't alone, she had centurions, officer of the Roman army to help her. And as Jason mention: Beauty can be power too. And Thalia said that Piper got spirit and fought off Medea, Drew and send gaea back to sleep.
- A leader (You cannot deny that she's worthy of being praetor).
+Piper is senior counselor and she challenge Drew for the position.
-Now, I'm going to justify Reyna's "faults."
You Reyna haters and Jasper/Piper supporters say:
+Well I don't hate Reyna, I just think Piper suits Jason better.
- Reyna is possessive (REYNA is possessive? You're kidding me. Piper totally CLAIMED Jason. If that's not possessive, I don't know what is).
+Piper didn't claim Jason. She told Drew off. It not like Drew care about Jason or that Jason was interested in Drew.
In Medea shop did Piper try to get the vial to cure Jason's memory. She wonder if Jason would still be her friend if he got his memory back or if he had a girlfriend. But she decided she wanted to help him because she cared about him, even if that meant losing him. She obviously cares about him and puts his need first.
Piper can see possibilities and is determined to make those possibilities a reality. She knows she has to compete with Jason's past(sounds like she is leaving it to Jason to choose). It is as it should be and it doesn't sound as claiming to me.
- Reyna is too strict and doesn't have a personality (Yes, maybe that's BECAUSE she's a ROMAN? Where are your heads? If your favorite Greek camper was Roman, they would be strict, too. And, don't say that Jason isn't strict. Trust me, he is. He's just in a Greek environment and reacts differently to his surroundings. Reyna does have a personality. She's just a secondary character and we don't see much of her).
+The problem is that Jason feels very alone and isolated. Piper suits Jason's emotionally need better. He need somebody he can be weak with, somebody who is okej with him being scared ect. Somebody he can be himself with and where he is allowed to show emotions. It is not ok to show weakness as Roman.
- She "flirted" with Percy (This annoyed me at first, too. But then, I realized that it was BECAUSE SHE WAS DESPERATE! Her camp was about to be attacked by monsters, Gaea was awakening, and Octavian was pressuring her to hold praetor elections! She wasn't actually flirting with him. She just put the offer out there just to make it a little more tempting. NOW THAT'S something to admire. She was willing to give up her happiness and love life to save her camp. You go, girl!)
+Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out.
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L
"June Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved."
By offering Percy the Praetorship she also open up for getting romantically involved with Percy. She isn't giving up her love life. She is giving up Jason, but he was never hers to begin with. Percy is not available but I don't think she would have been unhappy with him. Not to mention that she look at Percy for support during the senate meeting.
- Reyna's breaking up Jasper (Uh, no. There is no Jasper. Not yet. So, she's not "breaking up" any couple. Most of you like Piper better because you've seen a lot of her, and she was introduced to you first. So, you think that Reyna is Rachel, and Piper and Jason are Annabeth and Percy. WRONG! It's the other way around).
+Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
continuing.............-I have about a million more reasons (exaggerating) that I could tell you. Unfortunately, I need to get onto other topics. Now, time for why I don't like Piper. SHE'S A MARY-SUE. A Mary Sue is a character too perfect to be real. Let's explore why she's a Mary-Sue now…
1. She's gorgeous. Psh…
+She's the daughter of Aphrodite!!! Since Percy rarely comments if people is gorgeous or not, we don't know if Reyna is gorgeous or not.
2. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but isn't shallow.
+Piper is compared to Silena Beauregard.
"It's not important," Silena insisted. "We have to find Charlie!"
Another first: a child of Aphrodite uninterested in jewellery. The demigod files: Percy Jackson and the bronze Dragon.
Well she isn't exactly unique with that quality. Not even among the Aphrodite.
3. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but can fight.
+"Silena led the charge; it was the first time I'd ever followed a child of Aphrodite into battle." From The demigod files: Percy Jackson and the bronze Dragon. Not to mention that Silena led the Ares in to battle and led the charge agenst a drakon in the last Olympien. And there was children of Aphrodite helping with defending Olympus too.
Not so unique here either.
4. She's one of the seven in the prophecy.
+So is all the main characters!!!
5. She can pretty much control people with her words. (That's a pretty epic power, isn't it?)
+So can Medea, Circe, Medusa and more. It is a power they need to success on the quest. I can understand why Aphrodite of her children chose to bless Piper with that gift.
And Leo is probably the only living person who is a fire user, do you not think that is a pretty epic power too?
6. She overthrew Drew for the leadership of the cabin.
"Thous demigods must be the seven greatest of the age." And if she can't overthrow Drew for the leadership in the cabin, then I think they are in serious trouble.
7. She's kind/nice/whatever.
+Most people are!!! Not to mention Annabeth, Percy, Jason, Leo, Frank and Hazel are nice too. But It's also kind of what being a child of Aphrodite is about.
"Aphrodite is about love and beauty. Being loving, spreading beauty. Good friends. Good times. Good deeds. Not just looking good." The lost hero chapter LII
8. She CHARMSPOKE Jason BACK FROM THE DEAD! C'mon, people! Even HERA couldn't do that. My Mary-Sue bells are ringing. Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then, but still, that's a powerful thing to do.
+"Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then." I was wondering when you would think about that. Boreas said "When monsters no longer stay in Tartarus, and souls are no longer confined to Hades...Olympus has good reason to fear." We see that Medea and Midas are alive again, so Piper concluded that souls are no longer confined to Hades.
Mars also said that the barriers between life and death will continue to weaken and that sometimes demigod will find their way back too. So the barriers was stronger before.
And the doors of death have been forced opened.
"´´Jason,`` Piper said again, and she imagined her voice resonating through the earth, all the way down to the underworld. ``Wake up``". The barries where stronger but he got some help, and it's not so diffrent from Gewn.
"That's a powerful thing to do". Well "Thous demigods must be the seven greatest ot the age."
9. She's popular and has an amazing best friend. (Leo).
Have you read the first chapters of the lost hero???? She has been bullied. She was bullied by Drew when she got to camp. And Leo consider himself as Jason's best friend.
10. Apparently, her mom is the daughter of Uranus so that makes her mom's symbol (love) more powerful, and therefore, making Piper more powerful.
+???? Love is the most powerful motivator. And that regardless of who the person are or child to. And Aphrodite said that her children can be very powerful. So Piper isn't unique. And is it unfair that Jason, Percy, Hazel and Nico are children of the big three?
-The only reason she's not a complete Mary-Sue yet is because she doesn't have Jason yet, and she also whines so much. If she stops her whining problem, (which isn't really hard because it's mainly about Jason) and gets Jason, she'll be a Mary-Sue. But if she doesn't get Jason, she'll be a little more… human. Of course, she has those "flaws" like, she's insecure, etc. but they don't really count. Most Mary-Sues believe that they're not as perfect as they really are.
+It can come as a chock to you but this books isn't about humans, it about demigods and they are half human and half god. So a Mary-Sue character isn't really unrealistic character in the books. Even though it doesn't sound like a Mary-Sue to me. And Annabeth thinks Jason is too perfec. Beside if you change power and the god, you have described Jason or Percy. Do you hate them also? And Jason whines a lot too. All heroes have a fatal flaw including Piper.
-Reyna isn't a Mary-Sue because, she has flaws. She's not popular, she's strict, she's not gorgeous, etc. So, basically Reyna's ACTUALLY HUMAN! (Half-human anyways!).
+And how do you know this??? Please post a reference. Percy rarely comment of apperens and if a person is gorgeous. He said nothing about Piper being gorgeous. And Piper is not popular either. But Reyna has done well at camp Jupiter, so she must be popular at camp. After all, she got elected Praetor sometime during her first three years at camp.
Jessica continuing.............Sorry for the long post.
Why Jayna is 100% possible and the way to go:
1. You've all heard in the Son of Neptune about how Reyna frantically searched for Jason. Yes, she didn't go all-out like Annabeth, but that was because she was actually THE leader (Lupa doesn't interfere) of Camp Jupiter. Annabeth could search for Percy because Chiron was there to take over. Also, since Percy was put into a deep sleep, Camp Jupiter had to wait for 8 months before they had ANY clue about what happened to Jason. Annabeth only had to wait four days before she found the boy with one shoe. Do you want Reyna's heart to break because Jason chose Piper? I've read the fanfics about Jason choosing Piper, and they broke my heart.
+No I really haven't heard of Reyna frantically searched for Jason!!!! Please post a reference. The person that struck me as most eager to find Jason is Hazel, and she knew Jason for about a month or two. Reyna was annoyed that Hazel even brought it up with Percy. So she is not exactly take all her opportunities to find him either. The Augur Octavian was supposed to look for Jason so no wonder they didn't know what happened to Jason. And do you really think that Jason should choose a girl so he wouldn't break her heart even though he like somebody else more? That is not true love!
2. Reyna's known Jason for four years. Piper's known Jason for about 8 months. Plus, how much does Piper really know about Jason?
+"Reyna's known Jason for four years." Says who??? Please post a reference. The only thing we know for sure is that they have been at camp at the same time for three years, but that doesn't mean they been friends that long. And to calling "being at camp at the same time" as "known each other", is an exaggeration. They most likely didn't belong to the same cohort. And I doubt that Jason and Reyna were close friend before he became praetor. We don't even know how long Reyna has been Praetor. It is possible that Reyna might have been romantically involved with the praetor before Jason.
Jason and Piper has actually only know each other for 6,5 month. But I think Piper knows Jason better than anyone else by now. Piper knows about Jasons family and why he was abandoned at a so early age. She have met his sister ect. Leo said that hearing about Jason's family was like getting to know Jason for real. And I doubt that Reyna knows. And to really get to know a person you have to talk about peronal stuff. And I think Piper have use her time well to get to know Jason better.
3. Venus/Aphrodite could be influencing Piper and Jason. Do you really think that Aphrodite would favor Reyna over her own daughter? That's not true love.
+Well I don't have a copy of the Titan's curse but when Percy is in the island with Calypso in The Battle of the Labyrinth chapter 12:
"I thought about my meeting with Aphrodite, in the back of a white Cadillac in the desert last winter. She'd told me that she had taken a special interest in me, and she'd be making things hard for me in the romance department, just because she likes me."
So if I understand you right, you don't see Percy and Annabeth as true love because Aphrodite had taking a special interest in Percy? And I don't think she would favor Luke over Percy, after all she likes Percy.
4. Also, for those who say, "Oh, Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth." Oh really? What if Aphrodite made it like that? What if Juno couldn't wipe away Percy's memories but that was because Aphrodite was favoring him? Huh? So you can't say that Reyna meant little to Jason if he remembered part of her after his quest.
+What have Aphrodite to do with this??? This is Juno/Heras doing. But Aphrodite said that love is the most powerful motivator. Percy choose extreme pain and possibilities just so he could meet Annabeth again. He might not have come to camp Jupiter at all without the memory. Jason in other hand has a lot hard to cope with the situation. He feels like he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks ect. How would memory of Reyna helped him become better friends with the Greeks and trust them? It would most likely distracted him and emphasise the feeling he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks. And there was never a Jason and Reyna to begin with. And I don't think that memory of Reyna would have motivated Jason to do better, just showes that it is not love. Piper in other hand has this effect on Jason. Like when he was battling Enceladus he got new energy. And Reyna and Jason was praetors for about 2-3 month together, so of course she meant something to him. Like Dakota, Gwen, Hazel, Bobby meant something to Jason too.
5. You say that Jason and Reyna weren't together, and Reyna meant little to Jason. The "not being together" part is true, but if Reyna meant little to Jason, WHY would he be guilty about what he was doing with Piper?
"He didn't think he'd ever seen Piper before today, but he felt strangely guilty about it." The lost hero chapter VII
"And reyna. Definitely there'd been a girl named Reyna. He wasn't sure what she'd meant to him, but the memory made his queation what he felt about Piper- and wounder if he was doing something wrong. The problem was, he liked Piper a lot." The lost hero chapter LV
+ So Jason feels strangely guilty for not remembering Piper, and the memory of Reyna make him wonder if he is doing something wrong? And what exactly is he referring to with "doing something wrong" to? Jason don't know what Reyna meant to him, but he likes Piper alot. And Jason has only known Piper for a week. It will be intresting to see what 6 mounth will do to their reletionship.
6. Aphrodite could actually be influencing Jason to forget Reyna because in TLH, you ONLY saw the kinder side to Piper. You forgot that she can be shallow. And also, in the books, Aphrodite says that she doesn't force them to do something they don't want to do; she just gives them "a little push." Mmmm-hmmm. Sure, hon. What about Helen and Paris? Aphrodite MADE Helen fall in love with Paris (because he gave a bloody apple). THAT is fake love. Why did she do that? Because they "looked so cute together." Therefore, there is a possibility that she is influencing them, and I repeat, that is so not true love.
+Aphrodite could actually be .... Should I even bother to coment on that???? And I disagree with that Piper is shallow. She would not like Jason if he was mean. And the reasons Piper mention to Annabeth in why she like Jason is not shallow at all.
"She'd liked Jason from the first week they'd met. He was so nice to her, and so patient, he could even put up with hyperactive Leo and his stupid jokes. He'd accepted her for herself and didn't judge her because of the stupid things she'd done. They'd spent hours talking, looking at the stars, and eventually - finally - holding hands." The lost hero chapter IV
Mist or not, it is not shallow reasons. And I do think it describe Jason pretty well.
7. Percy bathed in the River Styx. Annabeth IS his mortal point. He CAN'T forget her at all unless he wants to die. Jason didn't do that so maybe that's why he didn't remember Reyna.
+I like a referens to that too. Because to me it sounds as you are mixing things up. Percy was told he has to focus on his mortal point before jumping in to the river Styx, otherwise would the river Styx destroy him. It would burn him to ashes and he would cease to exist. But their is nothing saying that he has to keep track on his mortal point for the rest of his life. And what would the river Styx do if he forgets about Annabeth? Would it rise from the underworld and burn away Percy's body and Soul?
There is one time in "the last Olympian", a story make Percy feels like he is back in the River Styx dissolving. But Percy also describe Annabeth's kiss as it made him feel like his brain was melting through his body. And I pretty sure that his brain was not really melting. And that this two event just describe Percy's feelings and not really what physically is happening. So please a quote or a reference to support your statement.
8. Next up, Reyna and Jason are so PERFECT for each other. Why? Because Piper glorifies Jason. She thinks he's perfect. Let's look at Percy and Annabeth. Does Annabeth think that Percy is perfect? No. But he's her Seaweed Brain. Piper, on the other hand, can only see Jason's glory. Reyna sees everything about him crystal clearly.
+If Reyna and Jason is so perfect for each other, why is Jason feeling so lonely? Ok, we don't know how long they been friends. But the longer they been friends and he still feels that lonely, the more sure is it that she isn't right for him. And it doesn't matter how great Reyna is, if he feels lonely with her then she is not right for him.
I want a reference to this claim "Reyna sees everything about him crystal clearly." How do you know that??? And I disagree with that Piper glorifies Jason. Piper think Jason is perfect as he is (even Annabeth refer to Jason as being a little too perfect in the first chapter of the mark of Athena.), it doesn't' mean he is flawless. Just that Piper accept him as he is. She don't expect him to handel everything on his own ect. She believes in him and she cares about him (Jason really need that). The two are child to a movie star who could not handle that they had a child with a Greek/Roman God, so they can relate and understand each other family problems better. And Piper has her own thing. She can charmspeak and don't need to be jealous of Jason's power. And when Jason have fallen short, she been able to help him with her gifts. I like the balance between Jason and Piper. They have different gift and they have been able to help each other. Everything is not up to Jason to solve, Piper can help too.
9. If you people are thinking that Piper and Jason have to be together to unite the two camps, then you're WRONG! That wouldn't be true love, now would it?
+Jason have a problems coping with this situation. He feels like a contradiction. Choosing Piper kind goes against his prejudice and it is something he has to overcome to succed. And as Aphrodite said: love is the strongest motivator. Jason will do his best to unite the two camps if he is in love with Piper. But with Reyna he would just do it out of duty, and that's kind of a few reasons why he feels as alone as he does.
9. JASPER is sooooo cliché. C'mon, the strong, powerful hero with the beautiful yet dangerous heroine? Sooooo cliché. Jayna is better because Reyna is the strict one that can have fun, and Jason is the kind one that can be serious. They're not that similar, and they aren't complete opposites, so they would be GREAT together.
+Reyna is not dangerous??? And I don't think she is ugly either. And I think the lost hero shows how good Jason and Piper work together. We don't now so much about Reyna and Jason. Jason's memory is not fully restored in the end of book one. But if they would be great together, Jason wouldn't feel like all responsibility is on him. And the loneliness he express also indicate that they didn't communication so much on the personal level. Do you think Jason knows about Circe's island ect? And do you think that Reyna knows anything about Jasons family? I can't picture Reyna sitting and asking Jason questions as what his favrit food, favrit film ect. But I can see Piper asking the questions and Jason even look at Piper to lead in the end of their quest. Jason want somebody that cares about him in first hand and not that he is the son of Jupiter. He did express that people awe him, but he felt like nobody really cared about him and the awe had to do with him being the son of Jupiter. Anyway good communication is the most important quality in a relationship and if it doesn't work then the relationship doesn't work either.
continuing............Almost done :)
-Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper yet. He just has a little crush on her. Here are my theories as to how he fell in love with Piper and why he shouldn't pick her:
1. Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
+So now, is Jason shallow too! Do you want Reyna with a shallow boyfriend? Jason think Piper is the most beautiful thing he knows. And he is all over Piper, even after he started to remember Reyna. He do holds Piper's hand longer than necessary at the end ect. It was Piper who let go of Jason's hand and not the other way around. Jason is the only one we know who like Piper more than just as a friend, neither Leo or Percy are interested in Piper. Percy only have eyes for Annabeth and Annabeth only have eyes for Percy. Percy thinks that Annabeth is cute and beautiful while Annabeth thinks Percy is good-looking. And I have a hard time believing Frank would be interested in Piper either. And he thinks Hazel is beautiful.
3. I have a million more reasons about why Reyna and Jayna are better than Piper and Jasper. Feel free to debate with me. But please THINK before you type something.
+I think you should take your own advice and think before you type something. Your strongest argument is based on assumptions and unconfirmed fact. Like Jason and Reyna have known each other for Four years. How do you know that? And no, the fact that Reyna has been at camp almost for four years doesn't mean that they been friends for that long. It is an assumption you made and it doesn't quite add up either. I like a reference or quote to support your statement that they been friends longer than the time they spend as praetors. Please enlighten me!!!
Mercedes wrote: "Personally, sometimes, romance is overthrowing the plot and the real story of the book. =( I mean, it would be nice not to have the same kind of POV in The Mark of Athena like what happened in The ..."
Yeah...sometimes romance tends to overthrow the plot, and often it makes the book a bit boring :/...so lets hope for a lot of action/adventure shall we? :D
But I do have to point out, that RR probably filled THL with so much romance stuff because it would have some impact on how the prophercy is played out...maybe not directly; but it may have some influence...
Yeah...sometimes romance tends to overthrow the plot, and often it makes the book a bit boring :/...so lets hope for a lot of action/adventure shall we? :D
But I do have to point out, that RR probably filled THL with so much romance stuff because it would have some impact on how the prophercy is played out...maybe not directly; but it may have some influence...
Hi Jessica,Welcome to the discussion! As a Reyna supporter, I feel it is my duty to defend my favorite character. ;) You wrote:
+Piper had got no combat training in the lost hero. It will be interesting to see her after some training. Thalia thought Piper was tough for a child of Aphrodite and even try to recruit her as a huntress of Artemis.
-Reneered never said that Piper was not a good fighter. But obviously, she is definitely not on a level to be compared with Reyna, as Reyna's mother is the goddess of war.
+"Even let Percy be praetor". You make it sound as Percy being praetor is something bad. He was send there to be the new praetor, so he and Jason could unite the camps. Reyna also prefer a praetor in power, a warrior like Jason and not a schemer like Octavian. And Reyna recognize that Percy was the best for the job.
-"as Percy being Praetor is something bad." In the POV of the Romans, it is bad. Reyna knows Percy's a Greek. It also doesn't help that he was the one who destroyed her home with Circe. Reyna is a strong enough character that to help her camp, she is willing to forgive the boy who almost ruined her life just so he can save her people.
+Piper has only been to camp for one day and she was blackmailed by one of the giants, Enceladus. But she chose to stand by her friends and when she understood how serious the situation was, she was prepared to sacrifice her dad to save the world.
-Actually? Piper was ready to sacrifice her friends to save her DAD. Notice how even though she was plagued by these horrible dreams, even though she had this gut feeling that she should warn her friends, she never did until it was almost TOO LATE.
+I do see "not showing emotions" as a weakness. And where did you get the "even when tortured" from? Please post a reference.
-But in the Roman camp, showing emotions is a weakness. You're supposed to be stoic and dutiful, a true Roman warrior. If Reyna showed any sign of weakness or emotion at Jason's disappearance, Octavian could easily have used that to his advantage. (However, I'm not sure what Reneered meant with the tortured part so I can't answer that.)
+Percy who is Annabeth's boyfriend don't make this comparison. Piper in other hand is compared to Annabeth in the lost hero. Rashel say the two of them are were much alike, in the end of chapter IX. And it also mention a couple of times that Piper is smart in the book too. Jason's first impression of Piper was:
"Cute, smart, and violent. Jason wished he remembered having her as a girlfriend". The lost hero chapter II.
-Percy not making this comparison doesn't mean that the similarities between Reyna and Annabeth don't exist. As Reneered has mentioned, there are countless parallels between the two characters. As for Piper and Annabeth? They're pretty much only alike in their stubbornness (especially w/ Piper continuing to believe that she and Jason have a future and Annabeth persistently trying to find Percy).
+Reyna wasn't alone, she had centurions, officer of the Roman army to help her. And as Jason mention: Beauty can be power too. And Thalia said that Piper got spirit and fought off Medea, Drew and send gaea back to sleep.
-But a praetor is the TRUE leader of the camp. Besides, how many officers did she have that were similar to Octavian, who craved power and had limitless ambition? Probably several, especially when you look into ancient Roman politics. Yes, beauty is power. And Piper manipulates that to her advantage. No one ever said anything different.
+Piper is senior counselor and she challenge Drew for the position.
-A true leader doesn't act like a selfish bitch. Reyna does not embarrass Octavian in front of the entire Senate, no matter how she feels about him. Piper basically does this to Drew. A real leader tries to unite his/her followers, not make them angry or discontent.
I'll reply some more later.
+Piper didn't claim Jason. She told Drew off. It not like Drew care about Jason or that Jason was interested in Drew. In Medea shop did Piper try to get the vial to cure Jason's memory. She wonder if Jason would still be her friend if he got his memory back or if he had a girlfriend. But she decided she wanted to help him because she cared about him, even if that meant losing him. She obviously cares about him and puts his need first. Piper can see possibilities and is determined to make those possibilities a reality. She knows she has to compete with Jason's past(sounds like she is leaving it to Jason to choose). It is as it should be and it doesn't sound as claiming to me.- Piper doesn't claim Jason? I'm sorry, but it is obvious you haven't read the books.
"Oh, and Drew honey?...don't even look at Jason Grace. He may not know it yet, but he's mine." - Piper McLean, TLH
Also, even if Piper's intentions were good, she never actually used the vial on Jason, did she? Action, not words. Besides, Piper obviously feels as if she's somehow entitled to Jason and is giving no consideration whatsoever about his past and possible relationships.
+The problem is that Jason feels very alone and isolated. Piper suits Jason's emotionally need better. He need somebody he can be weak with, somebody who is okej with him being scared ect. Somebody he can be himself with and where he is allowed to show emotions. It is not ok to show weakness as Roman.
See, now you're just contradicting yourself. First you say that it's all right to show emotions, and now you're saying that Romans can't? Please be CONSISTENT. Also, we don't know how Jason might've acted back at Camp Jupiter, so we don't know the full extent of how he shared his emotions with Reyna.
I'll pick up from where Hannah left off...
+Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out.
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L
"June Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved."
By offering Percy the Praetorship she also open up for getting romantically involved with Percy. She isn't giving up her love life. She is giving up Jason, but he was never hers to begin with. Percy is not available but I don't think she would have been unhappy with him. Not to mention that she look at Percy for support during the senate meeting.
Desperate is to work with Percy. After all, working with Octavian is exactly what she wants to AVOID. It's the entire reason she's fine with working with Percy. By offering him the praetor position she's giving up her love life as well. Why? Because if Percy takes that chance of romantic involvement (which he won't but this is a what if statement) she will be giving up her love life. Not completely, of course. Just until Jason comes back and takes the position from there.
+Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
Actually, no, I'm not in denial. It's just that this was written before I watched the video.
+No I really haven't heard of Reyna frantically searched for Jason!!!! Please post a reference. The person that struck me as most eager to find Jason is Hazel, and she knew Jason for about a month or two. Reyna was annoyed that Hazel even brought it up with Percy. So she is not exactly take all her opportunities to find him either. The Augur Octavian was supposed to look for Jason so no wonder they didn't know what happened to Jason. And do you really think that Jason should choose a girl so he wouldn't break her heart even though he like somebody else more? That is not true love!
I thought it was obvious. Especially since in the Lost Hero, Jason remembered Reyna more clearly than everyone else. He was more definite in remembering her.
"And Reyna. There was definitely a girl named Reyna." -Jason Grace, The Lost Hero
And since Hazel only knew him for a month and is obviously worried and eager to find him, and he's known Reyna for much longer than that, I thought it would be obvious that she searched for him frantically, as well. Also as for Reyna not being eager to find him, well, he's been gone for eight months. Losing one of your close friends/praetor/maybe something more, has got to be hard on you. She obviously doesn't want to hear about him, wanting to get over the fact that he is probably dead.
"Reyna's known Jason for four years." Says who??? Please post a reference. The only thing we know for sure is that they have been at camp at the same time for three years, but that doesn't mean they been friends that long. And to calling "being at camp at the same time" as "known each other", is an exaggeration. They most likely didn't belong to the same cohort. And I doubt that Jason and Reyna were close friends before he became praetor. We don't even know how long Reyna has been Praetor. It is possible that Reyna might have been romantically involved with the praetor before Jason.
Jason and Piper has actually only know each other for 6,5 month. But I think Piper knows Jason better than anyone else by now. Piper knows about Jasons family and why he was abandoned at a so early age. She have met his sister ect. Leo said that hearing about Jason's family was like getting to know Jason for real. And I doubt that Reyna knows. And to really get to know a person you have to talk about peronal stuff. And I think Piper have use her time well to get to know Jason better.
The thing is, we don't know. You don't know, I don't know. We don't know what Jason has told Reyna. We just don't. So, we can't come to conclusions on this one, although I will admit that Piper knows Jason pretty well.
+Well I don't have a copy of the Titan's curse but when Percy is in the island with Calypso in The Battle of the Labyrinth chapter 12:
"I thought about my meeting with Aphrodite, in the back of a white Cadillac in the desert last winter. She'd told me that she had taken a special interest in me, and she'd be making things hard for me in the romance department, just because she likes me."
So if I understand you right, you don't see Percy and Annabeth as true love because Aphrodite had taking a special interest in Percy? And I don't think she would favor Luke over Percy, after all she likes Percy.
I thought I was clear what I was stating. Piper is Aphrodite's DAUGHTER so obviously, she cares more about her than other people. Is Percy a son of Aphrodite? No. So his relationship with Annabeth is love.
+What have Aphrodite to do with this??? This is Juno/Heras doing. But Aphrodite said that love is the most powerful motivator. Percy choose extreme pain and possibilities just so he could meet Annabeth again. He might not have come to camp Jupiter at all without the memory. Jason in other hand has a lot hard to cope with the situation. He feels like he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks ect. How would memory of Reyna helped him become better friends with the Greeks and trust them? It would most likely distracted him and emphasise the feeling he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks. And there was never a Jason and Reyna to begin with. And I don't think that memory of Reyna would have motivated Jason to do better, just showes that it is not love. Piper in other hand has this effect on Jason. Like when he was battling Enceladus he got new energy. And Reyna and Jason was praetors for about 2-3 month together, so of course she meant something to him. Like Dakota, Gwen, Hazel, Bobby meant something to Jason too.
Aphrodite is a goddess. The goddess of love. Yes, Juno erased the memories but Aphrodite obviously could somehow interfere and let Percy keep the memory of Annabeth. And Dakota, Gwen, Hazel, and Bobby didn't make him feel guilty.
There'll be more later. I just have to go my stupid Chorus concert. UGHHH!!!!
+Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out.
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L
"June Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved."
By offering Percy the Praetorship she also open up for getting romantically involved with Percy. She isn't giving up her love life. She is giving up Jason, but he was never hers to begin with. Percy is not available but I don't think she would have been unhappy with him. Not to mention that she look at Percy for support during the senate meeting.
Desperate is to work with Percy. After all, working with Octavian is exactly what she wants to AVOID. It's the entire reason she's fine with working with Percy. By offering him the praetor position she's giving up her love life as well. Why? Because if Percy takes that chance of romantic involvement (which he won't but this is a what if statement) she will be giving up her love life. Not completely, of course. Just until Jason comes back and takes the position from there.
+Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
Actually, no, I'm not in denial. It's just that this was written before I watched the video.
+No I really haven't heard of Reyna frantically searched for Jason!!!! Please post a reference. The person that struck me as most eager to find Jason is Hazel, and she knew Jason for about a month or two. Reyna was annoyed that Hazel even brought it up with Percy. So she is not exactly take all her opportunities to find him either. The Augur Octavian was supposed to look for Jason so no wonder they didn't know what happened to Jason. And do you really think that Jason should choose a girl so he wouldn't break her heart even though he like somebody else more? That is not true love!
I thought it was obvious. Especially since in the Lost Hero, Jason remembered Reyna more clearly than everyone else. He was more definite in remembering her.
"And Reyna. There was definitely a girl named Reyna." -Jason Grace, The Lost Hero
And since Hazel only knew him for a month and is obviously worried and eager to find him, and he's known Reyna for much longer than that, I thought it would be obvious that she searched for him frantically, as well. Also as for Reyna not being eager to find him, well, he's been gone for eight months. Losing one of your close friends/praetor/maybe something more, has got to be hard on you. She obviously doesn't want to hear about him, wanting to get over the fact that he is probably dead.
"Reyna's known Jason for four years." Says who??? Please post a reference. The only thing we know for sure is that they have been at camp at the same time for three years, but that doesn't mean they been friends that long. And to calling "being at camp at the same time" as "known each other", is an exaggeration. They most likely didn't belong to the same cohort. And I doubt that Jason and Reyna were close friends before he became praetor. We don't even know how long Reyna has been Praetor. It is possible that Reyna might have been romantically involved with the praetor before Jason.
Jason and Piper has actually only know each other for 6,5 month. But I think Piper knows Jason better than anyone else by now. Piper knows about Jasons family and why he was abandoned at a so early age. She have met his sister ect. Leo said that hearing about Jason's family was like getting to know Jason for real. And I doubt that Reyna knows. And to really get to know a person you have to talk about peronal stuff. And I think Piper have use her time well to get to know Jason better.
The thing is, we don't know. You don't know, I don't know. We don't know what Jason has told Reyna. We just don't. So, we can't come to conclusions on this one, although I will admit that Piper knows Jason pretty well.
+Well I don't have a copy of the Titan's curse but when Percy is in the island with Calypso in The Battle of the Labyrinth chapter 12:
"I thought about my meeting with Aphrodite, in the back of a white Cadillac in the desert last winter. She'd told me that she had taken a special interest in me, and she'd be making things hard for me in the romance department, just because she likes me."
So if I understand you right, you don't see Percy and Annabeth as true love because Aphrodite had taking a special interest in Percy? And I don't think she would favor Luke over Percy, after all she likes Percy.
I thought I was clear what I was stating. Piper is Aphrodite's DAUGHTER so obviously, she cares more about her than other people. Is Percy a son of Aphrodite? No. So his relationship with Annabeth is love.
+What have Aphrodite to do with this??? This is Juno/Heras doing. But Aphrodite said that love is the most powerful motivator. Percy choose extreme pain and possibilities just so he could meet Annabeth again. He might not have come to camp Jupiter at all without the memory. Jason in other hand has a lot hard to cope with the situation. He feels like he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks ect. How would memory of Reyna helped him become better friends with the Greeks and trust them? It would most likely distracted him and emphasise the feeling he shouldn't be friends with the Greeks. And there was never a Jason and Reyna to begin with. And I don't think that memory of Reyna would have motivated Jason to do better, just showes that it is not love. Piper in other hand has this effect on Jason. Like when he was battling Enceladus he got new energy. And Reyna and Jason was praetors for about 2-3 month together, so of course she meant something to him. Like Dakota, Gwen, Hazel, Bobby meant something to Jason too.
Aphrodite is a goddess. The goddess of love. Yes, Juno erased the memories but Aphrodite obviously could somehow interfere and let Percy keep the memory of Annabeth. And Dakota, Gwen, Hazel, and Bobby didn't make him feel guilty.
There'll be more later. I just have to go my stupid Chorus concert. UGHHH!!!!
Well Percy had to remember Annabeth since she is his mortal point.@Jessica:
Piper did claim Jason for herself when she talked with Drew, it's clearly stated in the book. I agree with Hannah 1st you said it's ok to show emotion now you changed it that Jason can't show emotion since he's Roman.
+Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out...-You said it yourself: Percy is Reyna's way out of this whole dilemma, and as a true Roman and strategist, Reyna did everything she could to get his help, even with half-hearted attempts at flirting to make the offer more appealing. And also, how do you know that "Jason was never hers to begin with?" And I'm pretty sure it's not against the law to look to your friend/potential ally for support.
+Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
- Jason might not have fully recovered his memory yet! And Annabeth has a bias - she is partial towards Piper, so her POV is not always to be trusted in regards to Jayna or Jasper. Besides, Reneered created this list before Riordan read the first chapter.
+She's the daughter of Aphrodite!!! Since Percy rarely comments if people is gorgeous or not, we don't know if Reyna is gorgeous or not.
-Daughter of Aphrodite or not, Piper is UNUSUALLY beautiful. On the night Piper was claimed, all the campers gasped in surprise and awe at Aphrodite's blessing, which made Piper even MORE gorgeous than usual. The Aphrodite cabin is a pretty large one (we can infer this because Aphrodite is the goddess of love so she probably gets around). If this happened to every Aphrodite camper who gets claimed, people wouldn't be so surprised, but since "Beauty Queen" is SUPER-SPESHUL, she gets a unique blessing. If this isn't Mary Sue, I don't know what is. Also, we can infer that Reyna is pretty in some ways, because Percy describes Hylla as beautiful and also calls Reyna a younger version of her sister.
Gah, I had a better argument but my iPod crashed. I'll add some more later.
rawr? wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Personally, sometimes, romance is overthrowing the plot and the real story of the book. =( I mean, it would be nice not to have the same kind of POV in The Mark of Athena like what..."You have a point but a big part of me wishes Mark of Athena won't end up like the TLH...
I have read some posts complaining that Jeyna fans hate Piper or try to make people hate Piper because it will come between Jeyna.I just want to justify some things.
Sometimes, fans support Jeyna because they don't like Piper. It doesn't mean that just because there's Jeyna, they'd hate Piper.
And to those who are saying that Reyna was flirting with Percy, she's desperate, to the point she'd do anything.
Everyone knows Octavian is power-hungry! Why would she give up Jason's position for him? And besides, making Octavian the praetor is just like killing the camp inside-out.
One more thing, to those who are saying Reyna didn't search for Jason like Annabeth did for Percy, can you give a reason why she didn't clean up his room?
You can say it hurts her too much but anyone without romantic feelings for Jason will probably clean it up. Reyna leaving it empty means "she's still waiting for him to come home".
And besides, the last person she had a private conversation with was with Jason. That must mean something.
Sorry if I hurt anyone. Again, these are all my opinion.
Reneered wrote: "Josey wrote: "Piper! She's had it hard, and Reyna's okay and all, but he was never interested in her even before he was memory-jacked.. so, yeah."Reyna's had it hard, too. Being a daughter of Bel..."
point taken but i still think he should go with piper
+Piper is compared to Silena Beauregard."It's not important," Silena insisted. "We have to find Charlie!"
Another first: a child of Aphrodite uninterested in jewellery. The demigod files: Percy Jackson and the bronze Dragon.
Well she isn't exactly unique with that quality. Not even among the Aphrodite.
-Okay, I'm going to steal your motto. Can I have a reference? Who exactly says that Silena is like Piper? And also - where does it say that children of Aphrodite don't like jewelry? Besides: being compared to Silena isn't always something to be proud of. Even though she helped the camp by turning against Luke at the very last second, she still betrayed many campers and caused the deaths of many people.
+"Silena led the charge; it was the first time I'd ever followed a child of Aphrodite into battle." From The demigod files: Percy Jackson and the bronze Dragon. Not to mention that Silena led the Ares in to battle and led the charge agenst a drakon in the last Olympien. And there was children of Aphrodite helping with defending Olympus too.
Not so unique here either.
-But the thing is, Piper can fight WELL. She slaughters a group of Earthborn without so much as getting a scratch. When Silena attempts to kill the drakon, she dies. Most children of Aphrodite aren't gifted with prowess in battle, so Piper is an exception.
+So is all the main characters!!!
-But most of the main characters have a redeeming point about themselves. Frank is fat/chubby, Leo is unpopular and annoying at times, etc.
+So can Medea, Circe, Medusa and more. It is a power they need to success on the quest. I can understand why Aphrodite of her children chose to bless Piper with that gift. And Leo is probably the only living person who is a fire user, do you not think that is a pretty epic power too?
-The examples you listed above are all famous characters from mythology. I personally feel that Piper is not on a level to be compared with them. You even called this power a "gift", a "blessing." Since it's unique to Piper and other children of Aphrodite don't have this power/have the power in a weakened form (for example, Drew), it makes her a Mary-Sue. Regarding your remark about Leo: he has many redeeming factors that make him more human, and he understands that his power is dangerous. He also uses it with great care, in situations of great need. Piper, meanwhile, uses her power like it's nothing at all. She uses her power to oust Drew's position from the cabin, uses it to steal a car, etc. Isn't that the tiniest bit selfish?
+"Thous demigods must be the seven greatest of the age." And if she can't overthrow Drew for the leadership in the cabin, then I think they are in serious trouble.
-Okay, so now you're hating on Drew. Lovely. In my opinion, Drew has the ability to become a great character. And I can understand why she treats her cabin so horribly. She was the closest in age to Silena, so as an informed reader, we can infer that she was close to her sister. And when she found out Silena betrayed the camp, Drew must have felt like it was a personal betrayal. She probably didn't want this to happen again, so she ruled the Aphrodite cabin with an iron fist and kept her nose in everyone's business. ALSO: what makes you think Drew is a weak character? She definitely has to be strong in some way to have ruled the Aphrodite cabin for so long without any challengers (well, until Miss "Beauty Queen" came along.)
+Most people are!!! Not to mention Annabeth, Percy, Jason, Leo, Frank and Hazel are nice too. But It's also kind of what being a child of Aphrodite is about.
"Aphrodite is about love and beauty. Being loving, spreading beauty. Good friends. Good times. Good deeds. Not just looking good." The lost hero chapter LII
-Annabeth isn't nice to Jason. Not at all. Percy isn't really nice when he's making his snarky comments. Frank and Hazel aren't really nice - the better word is accepting, because apparently, they're ROMANS, right? So they can't express themselves with their emotions? (Hey, I'm just quoting what you said.) And please don't mention that quote again. Seriously, I want to vomit each time I read it. Piper, how long have you known you were a demigod? A week? Yeah. So stop preaching to people who have better experience than you.
+"Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then." I was wondering when you would think about that. Boreas said "When monsters no longer stay in Tartarus, and souls are no longer confined to Hades...Olympus has good reason to fear." We see that Medea and Midas are alive again, so Piper concluded that souls are no longer confined to Hades...-BUT. When Riordan WRITES it, he makes it sound like it's all Piper's doing, how Jason was able to live again. Besides, when TLH was published, we didn't know that Thanatos was chained.
+Have you read the first chapters of the lost hero???? She has been bullied. She was bullied by Drew when she got to camp. And Leo consider himself as Jason's best friend.
-She was bullied at the Wilderness School, but she managed to defend herself perfectly. At Camp Half-Blood, what she did to Drew was way worse than anything Drew did to her. Piper publicly humiliated Drew. She wrested what Drew loved the best (control, to be in charge) away from her without breaking a sweat. And Leo, technically, is PIPER's best friend, because his memories with Jason were caused by the Mist.
+???? Love is the most powerful motivator. And that regardless of who the person are or child to. And Aphrodite said that her children can be very powerful. So Piper isn't unique. And is it unfair that Jason, Percy, Hazel and Nico are children of the big three?
-...The fact that Jason, Percy, Hazel, Thalia, Nico, etc. are children of the Big Three and are powerful is not unique. That's to be expected from the descendants of the most powerful gods. But Aphrodite is not known to be very powerful (the only hero one can think of who is her descendant is Aeneas, and he didn't have any special powers like charmspeaking). Thus, Piper is definitely an exception.
+It can come as a chock to you but this books isn't about humans, it about demigods and they are half human and half god. So a Mary-Sue character isn't really unrealistic character in the books. Even though it doesn't sound like a Mary-Sue to me. And Annabeth thinks Jason is too perfec. Beside if you change power and the god, you have described Jason or Percy. Do you hate them also? And Jason whines a lot too. All heroes have a fatal flaw including Piper.
-Jason whines once every three of four chapters, pretty much. PIPER WHINES EVERY SINGLE PAGE. "Oh, my boyfriend isn't really my boyfriend." "Oh, it sucks that my dad's so famous." "Oh, Leo is being so annoying." "Oh, being a daughter of Aphrodite sucks." "Oh, it's so unfair that Jason's not mine yet." SRSLY???
+And how do you know this??? Please post a reference. Percy rarely comment of apperens and if a person is gorgeous. He said nothing about Piper being gorgeous. And Piper is not popular either. But Reyna has done well at camp Jupiter, so she must be popular at camp. After all, she got elected Praetor sometime during her first three years at camp.
-You haven't read the books, have you? PERCY HASN'T EVEN MET PIPER YET. Piper is popular, at least in the ending of TLH (she got elected to cabin leader after all). Reyna doing well at Camp Jupiter doesn't mean she's popular. It can mean that she's a great fighter and strategist, known for her level-headedness and political skill, and she's respected by her fellow campers.
+No I really haven't heard of Reyna frantically searched for Jason!!!! Please post a reference. The person that struck me as most eager to find Jason is Hazel, and she knew Jason for about a month or two. Reyna was annoyed that Hazel even brought it up with Percy. So she is not exactly take all her opportunities to find him either. The Augur Octavian was supposed to look for Jason so no wonder they didn't know what happened to Jason. And do you really think that Jason should choose a girl so he wouldn't break her heart even though he like somebody else more? That is not true love!-Actually, Reyna didn't "frantically" search for Jason like Annabeth did. But it's very obvious that she wants to find him. However, Camp Jupiter is much larger than its Greek counterpart (Reyna has to lead both New Rome and the camp itself), and Reyna could not spare taking the time off to search for her fellow praetor, in case the leadership of the camp fell to Octavian. And on what you said about true love? Do you think Helen/Paris is true love? Was it worth the many deaths and all the destruction it caused?
+"Reyna's known Jason for four years." Says who??? Please post a reference. The only thing we know for sure is that they have been at camp at the same time for three years, but that doesn't mean they been friends that long. And to calling "being at camp at the same time" as "known each other", is an exaggeration. They most likely didn't belong to the same cohort. And I doubt that Jason and Reyna were close friend before he became praetor. We don't even know how long Reyna has been Praetor. It is possible that Reyna might have been romantically involved with the praetor before Jason. Jason and Piper has actually only know each other for 6,5 month. But I think Piper knows Jason better than anyone else by now. Piper knows about Jasons family and why he was abandoned at a so early age. She have met his sister ect. Leo said that hearing about Jason's family was like getting to know Jason for real. And I doubt that Reyna knows. And to really get to know a person you have to talk about peronal stuff. And I think Piper have use her time well to get to know Jason better.
-Use logic. When Percy first met Reyna on Circe's island, she looked to be about the same age as him. After Percy destroyed the island, Reyna probably somehow found her way to Lupa, and after training, arrived at Camp Jupiter. When Percy meets Reyna again, he is around 16-17. He says Reyna looks the same age as him. So, we can calculate that there has been a lapse of 4 years between their first and second meeting. Jason was taken away from his family when he was still a child. He trained with Lupa for some time, and then arrived at Camp Jupiter when he was very young. So he obviously knew Reyna when she first arrived. And how do you know they didn't belong to the same cohort? And how do you know that Reyna didn't become praetor around the same time Jason did? And besides, the only reason Piper knew about Thalia was because she was relevant to the quest.
+Well I don't have a copy of the Titan's curse but when Percy is in the island with Calypso in The Battle of the Labyrinth chapter 12:
"I thought about my meeting with Aphrodite, in the back of a white Cadillac in the desert last winter. She'd told me that she had taken a special interest in me, and she'd be making things hard for me in the romance department, just because she likes me."
So if I understand you right, you don't see Percy and Annabeth as true love because Aphrodite had taking a special interest in Percy? And I don't think she would favor Luke over Percy, after all she likes Percy.
-..But this case is special. Aphrodite would definitely favor her own daughter over the child of a Roman goddess of war. Family is important to the Greeks; this is definitely a case of familial love.
Haha, @Reneered can you rebut the rest of her arguments? I'm kinda tired from all this thinking.But one last thing: @Jessica
+I think you should take your own advice and think before you type something. Your strongest argument is based on assumptions and unconfirmed fact. Like Jason and Reyna have known each other for Four years. How do you know that? And no, the fact that Reyna has been at camp almost for four years doesn't mean that they been friends for that long. It is an assumption you made and it doesn't quite add up either. I like a reference or quote to support your statement that they been friends longer than the time they spend as praetors. Please enlighten me!!!
No, Reneered was perfectly right to post that. I have been able to logically and insightfully reply to pretty much every single one of your arguments and show the fallacy of your reasoning. Next time, when you ask other people for "references," please make sure to set an example. All in all, many of your replies do not make sense and it is obvious that there are some significant parts of TLH and SoN that you have not read/do not comprehend. Next time, please think before you reply.
I think he should be with Piper!
Hannah wrote: "Haha, @Reneered can you rebut the rest of her arguments? I'm kinda tired from all this thinking.
But one last thing: @Jessica
+I think you should take your own advice and think before you type som..."
SURE! :D Thanks, I'll finish rebutting later, though. I have to pack for my FIELD TRIP TO HERSHEY PARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOO!!!! So EXCITED!!!!
-A TOTALLY PUMPED UP SCARLETT ROSE
But one last thing: @Jessica
+I think you should take your own advice and think before you type som..."
SURE! :D Thanks, I'll finish rebutting later, though. I have to pack for my FIELD TRIP TO HERSHEY PARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOO!!!! So EXCITED!!!!
-A TOTALLY PUMPED UP SCARLETT ROSE
Reneered wrote: "Galini wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Galini wrote: "Josey wrote: "Piper! She's had it hard, and Reyna's okay and all, but he was never interested in her even before he was memory-jacked.. so, yeah."Tr..."
HOW DARE YOU????!!! And muahahahaha, you can not steal my memories. I have a spell against it!!! NICE TRY, GIRL!!!
A very rebel-like Galini
rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and Reyna's fans would finally come to peace.
Jessica wrote: "continuing............
Almost done :)
-Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper..."
Okay, so at first, I wasn't going to reply to your comment, because I thought Reneered and Hannah would do great by themselves (and they are), but then I was bored and decided to read it...and I'm gonna comment...just a few though; not all...and I'm not sure form which post these points came from, I'm just replying to one of your posts...
Oh and please don't be offended if my language sounds a little harsh, I mean no disrespect or anything as such...its just a friendly debate...
(Jessica's point) Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out.
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L
"June Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved."
(ME) Okay the flirting thing was... really its one line, and the rest of your points are all situational. I'm not saying that she did not flirt with him, she did, but she did it for reasons.
First of all, “Feelings or not it still counts as flirting.” I would just like to point out that when Piper , Jason and Leo were headed to meet Boreas (I think that was the god), Piper had to use her power to persuade Zethes so that he would not attack them when they were doing their emergency landing. In other words, she had use her power to flirt with him (because apparently she wasn't exactly presentable at that time or something?). Its the same concept with Reyna, except we get an objective pov ( either from Jason or Leo), whereas with Reyna, it was just Percy's POV. but, if you read it carefully, you'd realize why Reyna did it...(i'm not quoting anything...its a long convo., so go read it)
If, however, as you said, feelings or not, it still counts as flirting, then maybe we should mount an attack on Piper for flirting with someone (gasp!) in front of poor Jason. (sigh...poor boy)
{okay...I was going off track there), point is that Piper, just like Reyna, was in a position where they had to flirt with someone who wasn't Jason. Therefore, it is not fair (and contradictory) to say that Reyna' feelings/motivation/situation do not matter when she did it with Percy ;especailly since Piper's was taken into consideration.
Also; your other quotes:
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV → re-read that again,and pull out some important points : “An apology? Not very roman at all...You'd make an interesting praetor” in other words, she is refering to that fact that he didn't act like a Roman, and that would have made him an interesting praetor, not necessarily; a bad one, not necessarily a good one.
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L.
Were these before or after he helped save Camp Jupiter? 'Cause if they were after...then...yeah I would have done those things too, considering that he had just helped save Camp Jupiter...which was her home...get my point?(and I do believe these quotes were taken while Camp jupiter was being attack by the giant dude, and afterwards)
"Juno Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have
such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
am...it's Juno's plan and; she is a Goddess, so she would have known that Percy destroyed Circe's island, and she would have also known that Percy did not remember that; she would have also known that Reyna would really have like to kill Percy (see quote below)...
“we have to know whether the goddess has brought us a new recruit...
Reyna studied percy as if she found that doubtful.
“or,” she said more hopefully, “if she brought us an enemy to kill”...
Its kind of obvious Ieyna wanted to kill Percy.
By the way I don't see what that quote from Juno has to do with the Reyna flirting with Percy...
contiuning with your quotes:
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved.
(ME) She said this while she was speaking about Jason. I know a lot of people see this as her flirting with Percy, but if you read it carefully, you'd realise that she was asnwering Percy's question about her and Jason.
“we might have been, Reyna said, "given time. Praetors work closely together. Its common for them to become romantically involved. But Jason was only praetor for a few months...” etc etc. Then she goes on to say that Octavian was pestering her for elections, but that she needed a partner in power who was (like jason) “a warrior, not a schemer”
I see her complimenting Percy by assuming that he was a warrior like Jason, and not a schemer like Octavian. Not flirting with Percy.
I think the quote you were looking for is where she said “friends” in such a way that it implied many diiferent meanings and Percy had the freedom to choose which meaning he preferred.
I would also like to say that, the conversation that preceeded that comment shows that Reyna only did that in an attempt to make the offer more tempting; her main purpose was to get him to consider the position of preator. And Percy agreed to help her after she said that, not before...
(jessica's point) Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
(ME...okay, well this point wasn't directed just to you, it's actually for everyone, but i really didn't want to have to post a comment again so i put it in here.)
Can I just point out that it is the first chapter? And that it is from annabeth's POV? Annabeth had Percy on her mind, additionally, at the end of TLH, Jason did not tell Piper or Annabeth (for that matter ) about Reyna, and we still do not know weather he has told them ot not. However ( to squash my point here and now) I read somewhere that RR was going to introduce Piper and Jason as a couple, but out of curiousity, the Piper,Jason and Reyna triangle is much debated etc...why exactly would RR so casually say drop that hint if he didn't plan on some big surprise? Seriously, even with the first chapter of MOA out, who Jason ends up with is still undecided.
also, i have to point out that hazel did make a comment that involved somethign about Reyna being fair, and reyna did actualyl treat percy fair, even though she had emotions involved; ao it seems kind of presumtuous (i spelt that wrong to lazy to find the correct spelling though...sorry)to state that Reyna would break up Jasper. if reyna does remain fair, then and jasper does break up, its because one of them ( either jason or piper ) decided to break it up.
moving on:
(jessica) It can come as a chock to you but this books isn't about humans, it about demigods and they are half human and half god. So a Mary-Sue character isn't really unrealistic character in the books. Even though it doesn't sound like a Mary-Sue to me. And Annabeth thinks Jason is too perfec. Beside if you change power and the god, you have described Jason or Percy. Do you hate them also? And Jason whines a lot too. All heroes have a fatal flaw including Piper.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here...are you saying that Piper isn't a mary-sue? If you are saying that...then I agree...
(reneered's point) Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
(jessica) So now, is Jason shallow too! Do you want Reyna with a shallow boyfriend? Jason think Piper is the most beautiful thing he knows. And he is all over Piper, even after he started to remember Reyna. He do holds Piper's hand longer than necessary at the end ect. It was Piper who let go of Jason's hand and not the other way around. Jason is the only one we know who like Piper more than just as a friend, neither Leo or Percy are interested in Piper. Percy only have eyes for Annabeth and Annabeth only have eyes for Percy. Percy thinks that Annabeth is cute and beautiful while Annabeth thinks Percy is good-looking. And I have a hard time believing Frank would be interested in Piper either. And he thinks Hazel is beautiful.
(me) She is not saying that Jason is shallow, she is saying that being physically attracted to an Aphrodite kid isn't uncommon . Also Percy has never met Piper, so we really have no idea what he would say. Secondly, Leo didn't like piper more than a friend because he was worried about whether they would really accept him as a friend (because of his past and what not) that does mean that he is not interested in her, just skeptical and worried that he would lose her as a friend.
Also,you are making the ASSUMPTION that Jason thinks Piper is the most beautiful thing in the world...he thinks she cute and really pretty ( go read that last or was it the second to laast chapter again) he did not say that she was the most beautiful thing in the world.also, if jason did say that, then that would have marked him out as being shallow.
lastly:
I understand that you want evidence etc., but I don't think you were being factual when you were quoting. It seems as though you just chose to type whatever line supported your view, regardless of the situation in the book. If you are quoting, then you have to make sure that the quote, the situation from which the quote was take, and your PVO all match up, not just single lines taken randomly. Otherwise, you would end up making only assumptions.
And you did make assumptions by the way...(just pointing that out...because you know, you stated this : I think you should take your own advice and think before you type something. Your strongest argument is based on assumptions and unconfirmed fact.)
Also I would like to point out that as far as assumptions go, you have to make assumptions unless the book contradicts your assumptions. This book is a fictional book, not a factual one, secondly, RR is not going to put every single detail down in the book, the reader is suppose to make some well thought of deductions and inferences(ie. Logical assumptions). This little aspect is what makes fictional books so interesting; it makes you think. (just my opinion when it comes to assumptions)
Almost done :)
-Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper..."
Okay, so at first, I wasn't going to reply to your comment, because I thought Reneered and Hannah would do great by themselves (and they are), but then I was bored and decided to read it...and I'm gonna comment...just a few though; not all...and I'm not sure form which post these points came from, I'm just replying to one of your posts...
Oh and please don't be offended if my language sounds a little harsh, I mean no disrespect or anything as such...its just a friendly debate...
(Jessica's point) Feelings or not it still counts as flirting. And Percy already agreed to help her. Desperate would be to work with Octavian, Percy was her way out.
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L
"June Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved."
(ME) Okay the flirting thing was... really its one line, and the rest of your points are all situational. I'm not saying that she did not flirt with him, she did, but she did it for reasons.
First of all, “Feelings or not it still counts as flirting.” I would just like to point out that when Piper , Jason and Leo were headed to meet Boreas (I think that was the god), Piper had to use her power to persuade Zethes so that he would not attack them when they were doing their emergency landing. In other words, she had use her power to flirt with him (because apparently she wasn't exactly presentable at that time or something?). Its the same concept with Reyna, except we get an objective pov ( either from Jason or Leo), whereas with Reyna, it was just Percy's POV. but, if you read it carefully, you'd realize why Reyna did it...(i'm not quoting anything...its a long convo., so go read it)
If, however, as you said, feelings or not, it still counts as flirting, then maybe we should mount an attack on Piper for flirting with someone (gasp!) in front of poor Jason. (sigh...poor boy)
{okay...I was going off track there), point is that Piper, just like Reyna, was in a position where they had to flirt with someone who wasn't Jason. Therefore, it is not fair (and contradictory) to say that Reyna' feelings/motivation/situation do not matter when she did it with Percy ;especailly since Piper's was taken into consideration.
Also; your other quotes:
"´´An apology? Not very Roman at all, Percy Jackson. You'd make an interesting praetor. I hope you'll think about my offer.´´" The son of Neptune chapter XV → re-read that again,and pull out some important points : “An apology? Not very roman at all...You'd make an interesting praetor” in other words, she is refering to that fact that he didn't act like a Roman, and that would have made him an interesting praetor, not necessarily; a bad one, not necessarily a good one.
"Reyna locked eyes with Percy and gave him a huge smile". The son of Neptune chapter L
"Reyna wheeled her pegasus toward Percy. Her eyes gleamed. Her expression said: I could hug you right now". The son of Neptune chapter L.
Were these before or after he helped save Camp Jupiter? 'Cause if they were after...then...yeah I would have done those things too, considering that he had just helped save Camp Jupiter...which was her home...get my point?(and I do believe these quotes were taken while Camp jupiter was being attack by the giant dude, and afterwards)
"Juno Laughed with delight. ´´Oh, yes. You'll have
such fun together!´´" The son of Neptune II
am...it's Juno's plan and; she is a Goddess, so she would have known that Percy destroyed Circe's island, and she would have also known that Percy did not remember that; she would have also known that Reyna would really have like to kill Percy (see quote below)...
“we have to know whether the goddess has brought us a new recruit...
Reyna studied percy as if she found that doubtful.
“or,” she said more hopefully, “if she brought us an enemy to kill”...
Its kind of obvious Ieyna wanted to kill Percy.
By the way I don't see what that quote from Juno has to do with the Reyna flirting with Percy...
contiuning with your quotes:
And do I need to remind you of "Praetors work closely together. It's common for them to become romantically involved.
(ME) She said this while she was speaking about Jason. I know a lot of people see this as her flirting with Percy, but if you read it carefully, you'd realise that she was asnwering Percy's question about her and Jason.
“we might have been, Reyna said, "given time. Praetors work closely together. Its common for them to become romantically involved. But Jason was only praetor for a few months...” etc etc. Then she goes on to say that Octavian was pestering her for elections, but that she needed a partner in power who was (like jason) “a warrior, not a schemer”
I see her complimenting Percy by assuming that he was a warrior like Jason, and not a schemer like Octavian. Not flirting with Percy.
I think the quote you were looking for is where she said “friends” in such a way that it implied many diiferent meanings and Percy had the freedom to choose which meaning he preferred.
I would also like to say that, the conversation that preceeded that comment shows that Reyna only did that in an attempt to make the offer more tempting; her main purpose was to get him to consider the position of preator. And Percy agreed to help her after she said that, not before...
(jessica's point) Well since the first chapter is out of the mark of Athena you know it is a Jasper. You are just in denial. Annabeth was also the one convincing Piper that her relationship with Jason was a trick of the mist. She wouldn't say Jason were Piper's boyfriend if he weren't. Annabeth also said that Jason always did the honored thing. Witch means he wouldn't be dating Piper if he had something going on with Reyna.
(ME...okay, well this point wasn't directed just to you, it's actually for everyone, but i really didn't want to have to post a comment again so i put it in here.)
Can I just point out that it is the first chapter? And that it is from annabeth's POV? Annabeth had Percy on her mind, additionally, at the end of TLH, Jason did not tell Piper or Annabeth (for that matter ) about Reyna, and we still do not know weather he has told them ot not. However ( to squash my point here and now) I read somewhere that RR was going to introduce Piper and Jason as a couple, but out of curiousity, the Piper,Jason and Reyna triangle is much debated etc...why exactly would RR so casually say drop that hint if he didn't plan on some big surprise? Seriously, even with the first chapter of MOA out, who Jason ends up with is still undecided.
also, i have to point out that hazel did make a comment that involved somethign about Reyna being fair, and reyna did actualyl treat percy fair, even though she had emotions involved; ao it seems kind of presumtuous (i spelt that wrong to lazy to find the correct spelling though...sorry)to state that Reyna would break up Jasper. if reyna does remain fair, then and jasper does break up, its because one of them ( either jason or piper ) decided to break it up.
moving on:
(jessica) It can come as a chock to you but this books isn't about humans, it about demigods and they are half human and half god. So a Mary-Sue character isn't really unrealistic character in the books. Even though it doesn't sound like a Mary-Sue to me. And Annabeth thinks Jason is too perfec. Beside if you change power and the god, you have described Jason or Percy. Do you hate them also? And Jason whines a lot too. All heroes have a fatal flaw including Piper.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here...are you saying that Piper isn't a mary-sue? If you are saying that...then I agree...
(reneered's point) Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
(jessica) So now, is Jason shallow too! Do you want Reyna with a shallow boyfriend? Jason think Piper is the most beautiful thing he knows. And he is all over Piper, even after he started to remember Reyna. He do holds Piper's hand longer than necessary at the end ect. It was Piper who let go of Jason's hand and not the other way around. Jason is the only one we know who like Piper more than just as a friend, neither Leo or Percy are interested in Piper. Percy only have eyes for Annabeth and Annabeth only have eyes for Percy. Percy thinks that Annabeth is cute and beautiful while Annabeth thinks Percy is good-looking. And I have a hard time believing Frank would be interested in Piper either. And he thinks Hazel is beautiful.
(me) She is not saying that Jason is shallow, she is saying that being physically attracted to an Aphrodite kid isn't uncommon . Also Percy has never met Piper, so we really have no idea what he would say. Secondly, Leo didn't like piper more than a friend because he was worried about whether they would really accept him as a friend (because of his past and what not) that does mean that he is not interested in her, just skeptical and worried that he would lose her as a friend.
Also,you are making the ASSUMPTION that Jason thinks Piper is the most beautiful thing in the world...he thinks she cute and really pretty ( go read that last or was it the second to laast chapter again) he did not say that she was the most beautiful thing in the world.also, if jason did say that, then that would have marked him out as being shallow.
lastly:
I understand that you want evidence etc., but I don't think you were being factual when you were quoting. It seems as though you just chose to type whatever line supported your view, regardless of the situation in the book. If you are quoting, then you have to make sure that the quote, the situation from which the quote was take, and your PVO all match up, not just single lines taken randomly. Otherwise, you would end up making only assumptions.
And you did make assumptions by the way...(just pointing that out...because you know, you stated this : I think you should take your own advice and think before you type something. Your strongest argument is based on assumptions and unconfirmed fact.)
Also I would like to point out that as far as assumptions go, you have to make assumptions unless the book contradicts your assumptions. This book is a fictional book, not a factual one, secondly, RR is not going to put every single detail down in the book, the reader is suppose to make some well thought of deductions and inferences(ie. Logical assumptions). This little aspect is what makes fictional books so interesting; it makes you think. (just my opinion when it comes to assumptions)
Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and Reyna's fans would finally com..."
lol..I know...I think that I was just trying to imagine different twists that RR can do...
but oh peace...sounds soo good XD...
but considering that I don't really hate piper, where do I fall? *sad face*
Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and Reyna's fans would finally com..."
lol..I know...I think that I was just trying to imagine different twists that RR can do...
but oh peace...sounds soo good XD...
but considering that I don't really hate piper, where do I fall? *sad face*
rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and Reyna's fans wo..."
I guess we're both neutral?
I don't hate her but that doesn't mean I'm contented with her character either. XD
Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and R..."
I don't really hate her either. Well, most of the time. When we're talking about Jayna, I hate Piper, because I guess I want Jayna to happen and Piper is in the way of that. But other than that, well, Piper's okay...I guess...
-A very indecisive Scarlett Rose
Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happened, Piper's and R..."
I don't really hate her either. Well, most of the time. When we're talking about Jayna, I hate Piper, because I guess I want Jayna to happen and Piper is in the way of that. But other than that, well, Piper's okay...I guess...
-A very indecisive Scarlett Rose
Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even so, if it happen..."
Point taken... I think everyone else here (when it comes to their favorite pair) feels the same way. =)))
Okay, for anyone who thinks that maybe one of them will die - usually authors don't kill off main characters, because it makes readers pissy. Or maybe just me. Anyway, if RR kills anyone, it'll be Reyna, since we've never been in her POV.
Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM.
So Jason shouldn't be with Piper either since you said praetors should stand alone.
Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"Could happen also, thought a bit unlikely! Even..."
Actually, I don't. I don't have any dislike for them. Personally, I don't get how people should fight just for a couple that might not even exist, needless Piper or Reyna. I would be happy for any of them to end up with Jason, though I do feel like I prefer Piper, as a character and the hopefully-to-be girlfriend of Jason. The point is, I have a lot of feelings for both of them, and none of them are hate or dislike. I wouldn't dare hate any character just because she is in the way of something (for example, take Rachel Dare, whom I loved from the beginning even though she was in the way of Percabeth). It's just stupid, or that's just my opinion, at least.
Galini wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
Could happen also, thought a b..."
Personally, I don't get why people fight over the characters; I guess it's because they tend to humanize the characters to much, or maybe they relate to the character or something.I do, however, like (ok...maybe I should say love) the discussion/debates etc. I think those us help understand the books and the characters better. I think they help explain the different POV people have as well.
...oh and I loved Rachel Dare as well
Could happen also, thought a b..."
Personally, I don't get why people fight over the characters; I guess it's because they tend to humanize the characters to much, or maybe they relate to the character or something.I do, however, like (ok...maybe I should say love) the discussion/debates etc. I think those us help understand the books and the characters better. I think they help explain the different POV people have as well.
...oh and I loved Rachel Dare as well
rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
Could happen al..."
Yeah, a lot of people hate her because of the love triangle but she's pretty epic!
-A very RED loving Scarlett Rose
Could happen al..."
Yeah, a lot of people hate her because of the love triangle but she's pretty epic!
-A very RED loving Scarlett Rose
Okay, here's how you think about it. What if Percy fell in love with some girl in the roman camp? We would all still like annabeth more. Jason with piper is like Jason telling reyna, 'sorry, I forgot about you, and I like piper more.' anyways, I think piper shouldnt care as long as Jason's happy. I think Jason will end up with piper, but I think it should be renya.
Grace wrote: "Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM."
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would not be happening right now.
Nancy wrote: "So Jason shouldn't be with Piper either since you said praetors should stand alone."
Yes. Very. It wouldn't be a problem if it was like that.
Reneered wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
If Jason dies piper will die alone and Reyna will jion the Hunters or something.
Ellen wrote: "Okay, here's how you think about it. What if Percy fell in love with some girl in the roman camp? We would all still like annabeth more. Jason with piper is like Jason telling reyna, 'sorry, I forg..."
Yes! That is how I feel to!
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would not be happening right now.
Nancy wrote: "So Jason shouldn't be with Piper either since you said praetors should stand alone."
Yes. Very. It wouldn't be a problem if it was like that.
Reneered wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Galini wrote: "rawr? wrote: "...Just out of curiousity...what if Jason dies and not Piper or Reyna?"
If Jason dies piper will die alone and Reyna will jion the Hunters or something.
Ellen wrote: "Okay, here's how you think about it. What if Percy fell in love with some girl in the roman camp? We would all still like annabeth more. Jason with piper is like Jason telling reyna, 'sorry, I forg..."
Yes! That is how I feel to!
I think piper but Reyna seems so better for Jason.
Watermelon (In side joke.) wrote: "Grace wrote: "Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM."If praetors stood all alone then this chat would not be happening right now.
Nancy w..."
Okay, okay, I need to rephrase that. I meant praetors can stand alone. They can survive by themselves better than most other people can, because they're used to making hard decisions. Unlike Piper. She needs somebody. She's all tough on the outside but a softie on the inside.
>.< please don't take it the wrong way i was in a rush
Everyone is a softie on the inside,not just Piper.
Grace wrote: "Watermelon (In side joke.) wrote: "Grace wrote: "Jason should be with Piper, I think. Praetors stand alone, and Jason doesn't count as one ATM."
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would ..."
okay, Nancy has a good point !
Can I just point out, that by not getting Jason, Piper would possibly become a stronger character? I think in TLH she was too focused on the fact the Jason wasn't really her BF,which, was quite frankly, very annoying; and I think thats why some people think she is annoying. I think that by not getting together with Jason, she could become stronger and a little bit more...independent (okay...I cann't really find the word I want to use here...hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say)
If praetors stood all alone then this chat would ..."
okay, Nancy has a good point !
Can I just point out, that by not getting Jason, Piper would possibly become a stronger character? I think in TLH she was too focused on the fact the Jason wasn't really her BF,which, was quite frankly, very annoying; and I think thats why some people think she is annoying. I think that by not getting together with Jason, she could become stronger and a little bit more...independent (okay...I cann't really find the word I want to use here...hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say)
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