The Son of Neptune
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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Clara wrote: "PIPER!!!!!!!! she has been through SOOOO much with him!! if Jason chooses Reyna i will chuck the book at a wall then go pick it up and continue reading. Reyna's cool and..."Riordan will pair Piper up with Jason, even tough Reyna is WAY more worthy!! D= Poor Reyna!
I like Reyna, but I don't think she's right for Jason, ya know? Together, they would be the most serious couple in the world, but Piper brings out a bit of playfulness in Jason. I'm more of a Leo/Reyna shipper than Jeyna. :)
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "rawr? wrote: "Clara wrote: "PIPER!!!!!!!! she has been through SOOOO much with him!! if Jason chooses Reyna i will chuck the book at a wall then go pick it up and continue reading. Reyna's cool and..."
but it does mean that he could have a bit stronger feeling when it comes to reyna...it really depends on what happens when he meets her...
and i was just pointing out that to say piper and jason are a good couple becus they've been through a lot is a bit ...err naive ( for lack of a better word) since it is pretty certain that jason and reyna did go through a lot together...
but it does mean that he could have a bit stronger feeling when it comes to reyna...it really depends on what happens when he meets her...
and i was just pointing out that to say piper and jason are a good couple becus they've been through a lot is a bit ...err naive ( for lack of a better word) since it is pretty certain that jason and reyna did go through a lot together...
I'm not saying they didn't go through a lot together, but Jasper did survive some pretty difficult situations together.Besides, if Reyna really was that important to Jason, wouldn't he have remembered her immediately like Percy remembered Annabeth?
amm...considering that juno had surpressed his memory?
er..no
remember juno left them with only one bit of memory so as to encourage them to want to find out about their past and not just go along with the flow...
she left percy with the memory of annabeth
and jason with the memory of thalia ( which i don't understand since jason was way too young to remember thalia :/ )
if jason was left with the memory of reyna, then he probably would have remembered camp jupiter
, thus leading him to ruin juno's plan...which would make the goddess mad...
er..no
remember juno left them with only one bit of memory so as to encourage them to want to find out about their past and not just go along with the flow...
she left percy with the memory of annabeth
and jason with the memory of thalia ( which i don't understand since jason was way too young to remember thalia :/ )
if jason was left with the memory of reyna, then he probably would have remembered camp jupiter
, thus leading him to ruin juno's plan...which would make the goddess mad...
Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. Besides, Jason's memory of Thalia didn't come right away, only when the picture triggered his memory and he suddenly remember she was his sister.
true but the difference between percy and jason is that jason spent well...almost his entire life at camp jupiter...whereas percy spent 4 years (or something so) so therefore jason would have a stronger possibilty of recall if he was prompted by something/someone from the camp...
Hm... Yeah, but Hera could just be even more thorough in erasing Jason's memories. I mean if his memories were gone, they're gone. At least until Hera lets him remember.
lol...ok i'm a litle iffy on the erasing memories thing...i would rather say that hera surpressed his memories...
i mean when percy and jason started to remember...they did it by themselves...
also...if hera did throughly erase jason's memory, and only allowed him to get it back when his quest was done...then it means that jason will only know how he feels about reyna when he meets her...which by the way was my point...:P lol
i mean when percy and jason started to remember...they did it by themselves...
also...if hera did throughly erase jason's memory, and only allowed him to get it back when his quest was done...then it means that jason will only know how he feels about reyna when he meets her...which by the way was my point...:P lol
Well, I think RR will make it so that Jason has some feelings for her, but not enough to overcome the ones for Piper. Reyna made it pretty obvious they weren't dating, and probably wouldn't be for a least a period of time.
Well remember, Juno erased Jasons memory (cuz hes roman) while Hera erased Percys (cuz hes Greek)... I think ...Anyway, Romans are more disciplined than Greek so maybe Hera was just being an idiot when she[Hera] left Percy with Annabeth while she [Juno] left Jason with next-to-nothing...Also, Jayna all the way, (and Peo!)
yeah well thats the thing...we don't really know how he feels about piper except that she's pretty and cute...
and his feelings for reyna ( when he started to remember ) did make him question what was going on with him and piper...so therefore he is already questioning his feelings and he hasn't returned to camp jupiter yet...
and his feelings for reyna ( when he started to remember ) did make him question what was going on with him and piper...so therefore he is already questioning his feelings and he hasn't returned to camp jupiter yet...
I know this is off topic but Peo would be so cute cuz Leo is Hephestus and Piper is Aphrodite and Hephestus and Aphrodite are together so Piper and Leo would be so cut together! (they're destined for each-other!!)
Umm... not to be rude or anything, but I don't really get your argument...
rawr? wrote: "yeah well thats the thing...we don't really know how he feels about piper except that she's pretty and cute...and his feelings for reyna ( when he started to remember ) did make him question what..."
Well, to have a good relationship, there has to be some physical attraction. Jason hasn't said anything about Reyna either, except that he remembers her name. (And it's near the end of TLH, too.)
lol...actually i think Peo is a cute name lol..just saying...
err...and i think piper and leo are more suited for each other...
leo has issues with relating (socializing etc.) with ppl, yet he can talk to piper like a normal kid...
whereas piper, because she grew up in a more stable environment could provide the stability which i think leo needs...
er..i just don't think they should become a couple asap...
sigh so i think i just went all psychological there...i'll try not to do again...lol
err...and i think piper and leo are more suited for each other...
leo has issues with relating (socializing etc.) with ppl, yet he can talk to piper like a normal kid...
whereas piper, because she grew up in a more stable environment could provide the stability which i think leo needs...
er..i just don't think they should become a couple asap...
sigh so i think i just went all psychological there...i'll try not to do again...lol
yes...but physical attraction isn't all...so far its physical with piper...and he did say that by remembering reyna's name it made him question what he wa doing with piper...
Mine?? I explain. Since Jason is Roman, it would only make sense if the Roman gods and goddesses interacted with him. And since Percy is Greek, then the Greek gods and goddesses would interact with him. Riordan mentioned somewhere in the book that Romans are more disiplined than Greeks (ex. Mars vs. Ares) So wouldn't that apply for Juno/Hera?
Example, Hera may be forgetful, may overlook things, may underestimate Percy. Meanwhile, Juno is Roman, So she wouldn't make those mistakes, or underestimate Jason, or forget silly but Vital bits of information.
Hera may have forgotten, or ignored Annabeth as a crucial part of Percys memory/life so she left that memory there cuz she was too lazy to remove it or whatever...Meanwhile...If Jason and Reyna had a thing, then Juno would make sure to remove all memories involving Reyna for fear that Jason would put two-and-two together and figure out her plan.
Get it?
Annabanana wrote: "Mine?? I explain. Since Jason is Roman, it would only make sense if the Roman gods and goddesses interacted with him. And since Percy is Greek, then the Greek gods and goddesses would interact with..."
so didn't think of that...lol good point thou
so didn't think of that...lol good point thou
Yes, but Jason never did say if he was questioning it in a bad way, or a good way. Physical attraction isn't all, but he didn't remember if he thought Reyna was pretty either. Really? I don't think Piper grew up in a very stable environment, with her problems with her dad. Both Piper and Leo seem like they would run away/not face a situation, whereas Jason and Reyna wouldn't. Therefore, there's a balance between the the two couples.
Annabanana wrote: "Mine?? I explain. Since Jason is Roman, it would only make sense if the Roman gods and goddesses interacted with him. And since Percy is Greek, then the Greek gods and goddesses would interact with..."Kinda. But still, I think Hera would still be pretty thorough. She's one of the most strict, serious, and careful gods.
rawr? wrote: "yes...but physical attraction isn't all...so far its physical with piper...and he did say that by remembering reyna's name it made him question what he was doing with piper..."I don't think he really likes Piper much, obviously he likes her, but not like she likes him...Throughout the book, all her chapters have atleast one sentence devoted to expressing her feelings for Jason while with Jason, few of his chapters actually include much about how he feels about Piper, and the stuff he does say about Piper sounds like hes talking about a dog or little sister, not a girlfriend. Conclusion, He's not sure about their relationship.
He's slightly shaking about their relationship, but I don't think he talks to her like that. He does treat her like a good friend/almost girlfriend. Ex: Jason grabs Piper's hand for comfort in Borealis' palace. If anything, he's even more unsure about his relationship with Reyna.
amm..i think it was obvious he was questioning it in a bad way...otherwise he wouldn't have been questioning at all...
piper grew up in a more stable environment than the rest of demigods...
she didn't get in trouble like percy, or leo (becasue leo burnt thigns and freaked ppl out),
jason was taken form his family, so his camp was his home
reyna's home (and most likely the majority of ppl she loved as a family ) died when circe's island was destroyed
annabeth was unwanted by her father (then he changed his mind)
thalia was a tree (just had to say that...)
hazel was death (just had to say that too)
nico...was...stuck in time...
frank...he did have a bit more stable life than the rest of demigods...except for his strict grandmother...and his firewood...
anyway my point iss
piper did have a more stable childhood than d rest of them...
yes she had problems with her father...but seriously...compared to rest of them...it wasn't that bad...
and the trouble she did get into (eg. *stealing* cars etc)was her own choice...
besides it not like her father hated her or anything..he loved her and was trying to provide her with the things he thought she needed,she just didn't realize that...
piper grew up in a more stable environment than the rest of demigods...
she didn't get in trouble like percy, or leo (becasue leo burnt thigns and freaked ppl out),
jason was taken form his family, so his camp was his home
reyna's home (and most likely the majority of ppl she loved as a family ) died when circe's island was destroyed
annabeth was unwanted by her father (then he changed his mind)
thalia was a tree (just had to say that...)
hazel was death (just had to say that too)
nico...was...stuck in time...
frank...he did have a bit more stable life than the rest of demigods...except for his strict grandmother...and his firewood...
anyway my point iss
piper did have a more stable childhood than d rest of them...
yes she had problems with her father...but seriously...compared to rest of them...it wasn't that bad...
and the trouble she did get into (eg. *stealing* cars etc)was her own choice...
besides it not like her father hated her or anything..he loved her and was trying to provide her with the things he thought she needed,she just didn't realize that...
I don't think so, not for sure. If he was questioning it, it could of been he was wondering whether to take it to the next level or not, too. Compared to Percy, Piper didn't grow up in a stable environment. Perc was sure that his mother loved him, when Piper constantly questioned what her identity was and how much her father truly cared for her. The stealing and stuff wasn't just because she wanted to do it. It was her last resort, and otherwise, her dad didn't talk to her for more than about 30 seconds, usually.
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "Mine?? I explain. Since Jason is Roman, it would only make sense if the Roman gods and goddesses interacted with him. And since Percy is Greek, then the Greek gods and goddesses ..."Well, Hera is a strict goddess and very sneaky too. But wouldn't that mean Juno would be even more strict and sneaky? Also, Hera doesn't strike me as the serious type, I dunno why but she seems a little blond to me if you know what i mean =P
Also, Piper and Leo not being stable is what makes them a good couple, they can help each-other deal with their problems. And anyway, Reyna and Jason are Romans, while Leo and Piper are Greek, and how are the Romans and Greeks supposed to interact if they never get to see each other??
percy had an emotionally abusive stepfather...piper didn't have that...
and her last resort was still a choice she made...besides we don't really know if that was her last resort...
i mean...it was obvious sheknew she could convince ppl to do things she wanted them to do....so why couldn't her last resort be to charmspeak her father's assistant into scheduling more time for her?
or she could have simply talked to him;not charmspeak.
i mean piper was 15 and wasn't even attacked by a monster...she was protected, not like threst of demigods who pretty much had ot fend for themselves...
besides percy's mother knew who posidon was, piper's father did't...so you have to take that into consideration as well
and her last resort was still a choice she made...besides we don't really know if that was her last resort...
i mean...it was obvious sheknew she could convince ppl to do things she wanted them to do....so why couldn't her last resort be to charmspeak her father's assistant into scheduling more time for her?
or she could have simply talked to him;not charmspeak.
i mean piper was 15 and wasn't even attacked by a monster...she was protected, not like threst of demigods who pretty much had ot fend for themselves...
besides percy's mother knew who posidon was, piper's father did't...so you have to take that into consideration as well
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "He's slightly shaking about their relationship, but I don't think he talks to her like that. He does treat her like a good friend/almost girlfriend. Ex: Jason grabs Piper's hand for comfort in Bore..."
piper was the only one there with him...leo was downstairs...remember? so he kinda had no choice...
piper was the only one there with him...leo was downstairs...remember? so he kinda had no choice...
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "I don't think so, not for sure. If he was questioning it, it could of been he was wondering whether to take it to the next level or not, too. Compared to Percy, Piper didn't grow up in a stable e..."
Hey hey, dont you lash out at Percy (lol jk) but seriously, he had an awful step-father, he kept moving schools, he was bullied often, he didn't have the luxurious life that Piper had, and his mom 'died' (well, he though she did, and its the thought that counts) right infront of him.
Meanwhile, for Piper it was: My dads too busy for me, Im a stinking rich girl, Im popular at school, Im pretty, I can talk people into giving me stuff, and my only problem is that my dad works alot, and that hes SUPER FAMOUS...I mean really?! kid, normal peoples lives are farrr more difficult than yours!
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "I don't think so, not for sure. If he was questioning it, it could of been he was wondering whether to take it to the next level or not, too.
Compared to Percy, Piper didn't grow up in a stable e..."
but then...why would the memory of reyna's name cause him to question that?
Compared to Percy, Piper didn't grow up in a stable e..."
but then...why would the memory of reyna's name cause him to question that?
Well, Reyna seemed to like Jason and said that their relationship couldve gone somewhere, that means they're stuck between the 'You're a good friend' phase and the 'I like you phase,' probably closer to the latter. And if he actually remembered her and her name made him uneasy about taking it to the next step with Piper, then doesn't that mean he liked her too? Maybe they were just getting serious before he disappeared...or something like that...The point is, Reyna is better for him than Piper, though Riordan probably wont let them stay together...
Annabanana wrote: "Well, Reyna seemed to like Jason and said that their relationship couldve gone somewhere, that means they're stuck between the 'You're a good friend' phase and the 'I like you phase,' probably clos..."
if riordan does that...then it would really suck...a girl who waited 8 mths for a guy speaks more of romance than a girl who speaks pretty much only about his physical attractiveness...
if riordan does that...then it would really suck...a girl who waited 8 mths for a guy speaks more of romance than a girl who speaks pretty much only about his physical attractiveness...
I prefer Reyna to Jason than Piper with Jason. It's just a personal opinion. Piper is not really my taste and Reyna would suite Jason perfectly, and besides, the story has already enough romance with it. There's Percy and Annabeth and possibly Hazel and Frank (I'm also hoping for Leo and Piper). I don't think adding the crush and love stage of Piper to Jason and Jason to Piper would help. Besides, the book's main goal is to defeat Gaea not to entertain love story. Putting too much looks and face I love you's would be too... cliche.And besides, there are plenty of things to explore with Reyna and Jason, at least for me. Rick Riordan can talk about what happened before Jason got kidnapped and all. That way, both camps will be given equal attention. And besides, Reyna won't protect Jason's seat for no reason, and that proves she cares about him, too.
One more point, it would really sound bad if Jason hang on to Reyna when he wakes up. The story won't progress as for Percy, fans would kill Riordan if he doesn't remember Annabeth.
As I mentioned, Son of Neptune won't be really about Percy and discovering his past if he can't remember Annabeth. Imagine Percy in the book not remembering Annabeth. That's just... inhumane.
Besides, Jason has friends with him when he wakes up unlike Percy who's alone. He needs someone to guide him, and that's the memory of Annabeth.
Remember too, Greeks are a bit friendlier than Romans. Jason with friends might be acceptable for Greeks but if it's the other way around, it won't work.
Reyna and Jason together is far more interesting.
Again, these are just my opinion.
Reneered wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "Reneered wrote: "OMG, for all you Jayna fans go onto fanfiction.net and look up Reyna4eva. Her stories are REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, I may be a lit..."I'm looking forward to that. Good luck on your test! XD
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. Besides, Jason's memory of Tha..."
Okay, did you even read what I said? Especially about Jason not remembering Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth? *sighs* Now I'll have to copy and paste it AGAIN!!! D: Anyways, here I go...
I support Reyna because she is:
- Kick-ass (C'mon, she's the daughter of the goddess of war and can DEFINITELY fight. After all, Percy did see her "flying into battle" when Camp Jupiter was attacked).
- Deathly loyal to her camp (She would do anything to save the camp, even let Percy be praetor).
- Stoic (She tries not to show emotion, even when tortured).
- Not unlike Annabeth (Reyna and Annabeth are both smart, kick-ass, and loyal, although, in my opinion, Annabeth has a worse temper and acts like an Ice Queen sometimes).
- Strong (I mean, she ran Camp Jupiter for pretty much a year while looking for Jason, and fighting off monsters, and fighting off Octavian).
- A leader (You cannot deny that she's worthy of being praetor).
Now, I'm going to justify Reyna's "faults."
You Reyna haters and Jasper/Piper supporters say:
- Reyna is possessive (REYNA is possessive? You're kidding me. Piper totally CLAIMED Jason. If that's not possessive, I don't know what is).
- Reyna is too strict and doesn't have a personality (Yes, maybe that's BECAUSE she's a ROMAN? Where are your heads? If your favorite Greek camper was Roman, they would be strict, too. And, don't say that Jason isn't strict. Trust me, he is. He's just in a Greek environment and reacts differently to his surroundings. Reyna does have a personality. She's just a secondary character and we don't see much of her).
- She "flirted" with Percy (This annoyed me at first, too. But then, I realized that it was BECAUSE SHE WAS DESPERATE! Her camp was about to be attacked by monsters, Gaea was awakening, and Octavian was pressuring her to hold praetor elections! She wasn't actually flirting with him. She just put the offer out there just to make it a little more tempting. NOW THAT'S something to admire. She was willing to give up her happiness and love life to save her camp. You go, girl!)
- Reyna's breaking up Jasper (Uh, no. There is no Jasper. Not yet. So, she's not "breaking up" any couple. Most of you like Piper better because you've seen a lot of her, and she was introduced to you first. So, you think that Reyna is Rachel, and Piper and Jason are Annabeth and Percy. WRONG! It's the other way around).
I have about a million more reasons (exaggerating) that I could tell you. Unfortunately, I need to get onto other topics. Now, time for why I don't like Piper. SHE'S A MARY-SUE. A Mary Sue is a character too perfect to be real. Let's explore why she's a Mary-Sue now…
1. She's gorgeous. Psh…
2. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but isn't shallow.
3. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but can fight.
4. She's one of the seven in the prophecy.
5. She can pretty much control people with her words. (That's a pretty epic power, isn't it?)
6. She overthrew Drew for the leadership of the cabin.
7. She's kind/nice/whatever.
8. She CHARMSPOKE Jason BACK FROM THE DEAD! C'mon, people! Even HERA couldn't do that. My Mary-Sue bells are ringing. Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then, but still, that's a powerful thing to do.
9. She's popular and has an amazing best friend. (Leo).
10. Apparently, her mom is the daughter of Uranus so that makes her mom's symbol (love) more powerful, and therefore, making Piper more powerful.
The only reason she's not a complete Mary-Sue yet is because she doesn't have Jason yet, and she also whines so much. If she stops her whining problem, (which isn't really hard because it's mainly about Jason) and gets Jason, she'll be a Mary-Sue. But if she doesn't get Jason, she'll be a little more… human. Of course, she has those "flaws" like, she's insecure, etc. but they don't really count. Most Mary-Sues believe that they're not as perfect as they really are.
Reyna isn't a Mary-Sue because, she has flaws. She's not popular, she's strict, she's not gorgeous, etc. So, basically Reyna's ACTUALLY HUMAN! (Half-human anyways!)
Why Jayna is 100% possible and the way to go:
1. You've all heard in the Son of Neptune about how Reyna frantically searched for Jason. Yes, she didn't go all-out like Annabeth, but that was because she was actually THE leader (Lupa doesn't interfere) of Camp Jupiter. Annabeth could search for Percy because Chiron was there to take over. Also, since Percy was put into a deep sleep, Camp Jupiter had to wait for 8 months before they had ANY clue about what happened to Jason. Annabeth only had to wait four days before she found the boy with one shoe. Do you want Reyna's heart to break because Jason chose Piper? I've read the fanfics about Jason choosing Piper, and they broke my heart.
2. Reyna's known Jason for four years. Piper's known Jason for about 8 months. Plus, how much does Piper really know about Jason?
3. Venus/Aphrodite could be influencing Piper and Jason. Do you really think that Aphrodite would favor Reyna over her own daughter? That's not true love.
4. Also, for those who say, "Oh, Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth." Oh really? What if Aphrodite made it like that? What if Juno couldn't wipe away Percy's memories but that was because Aphrodite was favoring him? Huh? So you can't say that Reyna meant little to Jason if he remembered part of her after his quest.
5. You say that Jason and Reyna weren't together, and Reyna meant little to Jason. The "not being together" part is true, but if Reyna meant little to Jason, WHY would he be guilty about what he was doing with Piper?
6. Aphrodite could actually be influencing Jason to forget Reyna because in TLH, you ONLY saw the kinder side to Piper. You forgot that she can be shallow. And also, in the books, Aphrodite says that she doesn't force them to do something they don't want to do; she just gives them "a little push." Mmmm-hmmm. Sure, hon. What about Helen and Paris? Aphrodite MADE Helen fall in love with Paris (because he gave a bloody apple). THAT is fake love. Why did she do that? Because they "looked so cute together." Therefore, there is a possibility that she is influencing them, and I repeat, that is so not true love.
7. Percy bathed in the River Styx. Annabeth IS his mortal point. He CAN'T forget her at all unless he wants to die. Jason didn't do that so maybe that's why he didn't remember Reyna.
8. Next up, Reyna and Jason are so PERFECT for each other. Why? Because Piper glorifies Jason. She thinks he's perfect. Let's look at Percy and Annabeth. Does Annabeth think that Percy is perfect? No. But he's her Seaweed Brain. Piper, on the other hand, can only see Jason's glory. Reyna sees everything about him crystal clearly.
9. If you people are thinking that Piper and Jason have to be together to unite the two camps, then you're WRONG! That wouldn't be true love, now would it?
9. JASPER is sooooo cliché. C'mon, the strong, powerful hero with the beautiful yet dangerous heroine? Sooooo cliché. Jayna is better because Reyna is the strict one that can have fun, and Jason is the kind one that can be serious. They're not that similar, and they aren't complete opposites, so they would be GREAT together.
Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper yet. He just has a little crush on her. Here are my theories as to how he fell in love with Piper and why he shouldn't pick her:
1. Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
2. Like I said before, Piper's mother is Aphrodite and could be influencing them. Why? Because Aphrodite can be nice and kind BUT she can also be vain and self-centered. She also sometimes makes fake love happen like with Helen and Paris just because, "they looked so cute together!" Greeks Drool – Romans Rule on fanfiction.net had a theory about Piper's color-changing eyes and I LOVE IT! Jason lost his memory right? SO let's say he's trying to subconsciously remember Reyna, but he can't because his memory got wiped away. So whenever he looks at Piper, who's a daughter of APHRODITE, (who can change her appearance to show who you like or love) he sees eyes that change color because he can't remember the color of Reyna's eyes. After all, Leo doesn't mention anything about Piper's eyes changing color and neither does Piper. It's only Jason. Suspicious, eh…?
3. I have a million more reasons about why Reyna and Jayna are better than Piper and Jasper. Feel free to debate with me. But please THINK before you type something.
-Jen
(Now, if you read EVERYTHING that I wrote, you'll understand why Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy did with Annabeth and why Jayna is the way to go. Of course, I'm not going to force you to change your opinion but this is just my argument on why you should support Jayna.)
Okay, did you even read what I said? Especially about Jason not remembering Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth? *sighs* Now I'll have to copy and paste it AGAIN!!! D: Anyways, here I go...
I support Reyna because she is:
- Kick-ass (C'mon, she's the daughter of the goddess of war and can DEFINITELY fight. After all, Percy did see her "flying into battle" when Camp Jupiter was attacked).
- Deathly loyal to her camp (She would do anything to save the camp, even let Percy be praetor).
- Stoic (She tries not to show emotion, even when tortured).
- Not unlike Annabeth (Reyna and Annabeth are both smart, kick-ass, and loyal, although, in my opinion, Annabeth has a worse temper and acts like an Ice Queen sometimes).
- Strong (I mean, she ran Camp Jupiter for pretty much a year while looking for Jason, and fighting off monsters, and fighting off Octavian).
- A leader (You cannot deny that she's worthy of being praetor).
Now, I'm going to justify Reyna's "faults."
You Reyna haters and Jasper/Piper supporters say:
- Reyna is possessive (REYNA is possessive? You're kidding me. Piper totally CLAIMED Jason. If that's not possessive, I don't know what is).
- Reyna is too strict and doesn't have a personality (Yes, maybe that's BECAUSE she's a ROMAN? Where are your heads? If your favorite Greek camper was Roman, they would be strict, too. And, don't say that Jason isn't strict. Trust me, he is. He's just in a Greek environment and reacts differently to his surroundings. Reyna does have a personality. She's just a secondary character and we don't see much of her).
- She "flirted" with Percy (This annoyed me at first, too. But then, I realized that it was BECAUSE SHE WAS DESPERATE! Her camp was about to be attacked by monsters, Gaea was awakening, and Octavian was pressuring her to hold praetor elections! She wasn't actually flirting with him. She just put the offer out there just to make it a little more tempting. NOW THAT'S something to admire. She was willing to give up her happiness and love life to save her camp. You go, girl!)
- Reyna's breaking up Jasper (Uh, no. There is no Jasper. Not yet. So, she's not "breaking up" any couple. Most of you like Piper better because you've seen a lot of her, and she was introduced to you first. So, you think that Reyna is Rachel, and Piper and Jason are Annabeth and Percy. WRONG! It's the other way around).
I have about a million more reasons (exaggerating) that I could tell you. Unfortunately, I need to get onto other topics. Now, time for why I don't like Piper. SHE'S A MARY-SUE. A Mary Sue is a character too perfect to be real. Let's explore why she's a Mary-Sue now…
1. She's gorgeous. Psh…
2. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but isn't shallow.
3. She's a daughter of Aphrodite but can fight.
4. She's one of the seven in the prophecy.
5. She can pretty much control people with her words. (That's a pretty epic power, isn't it?)
6. She overthrew Drew for the leadership of the cabin.
7. She's kind/nice/whatever.
8. She CHARMSPOKE Jason BACK FROM THE DEAD! C'mon, people! Even HERA couldn't do that. My Mary-Sue bells are ringing. Although, maybe Thanatos was chained then, but still, that's a powerful thing to do.
9. She's popular and has an amazing best friend. (Leo).
10. Apparently, her mom is the daughter of Uranus so that makes her mom's symbol (love) more powerful, and therefore, making Piper more powerful.
The only reason she's not a complete Mary-Sue yet is because she doesn't have Jason yet, and she also whines so much. If she stops her whining problem, (which isn't really hard because it's mainly about Jason) and gets Jason, she'll be a Mary-Sue. But if she doesn't get Jason, she'll be a little more… human. Of course, she has those "flaws" like, she's insecure, etc. but they don't really count. Most Mary-Sues believe that they're not as perfect as they really are.
Reyna isn't a Mary-Sue because, she has flaws. She's not popular, she's strict, she's not gorgeous, etc. So, basically Reyna's ACTUALLY HUMAN! (Half-human anyways!)
Why Jayna is 100% possible and the way to go:
1. You've all heard in the Son of Neptune about how Reyna frantically searched for Jason. Yes, she didn't go all-out like Annabeth, but that was because she was actually THE leader (Lupa doesn't interfere) of Camp Jupiter. Annabeth could search for Percy because Chiron was there to take over. Also, since Percy was put into a deep sleep, Camp Jupiter had to wait for 8 months before they had ANY clue about what happened to Jason. Annabeth only had to wait four days before she found the boy with one shoe. Do you want Reyna's heart to break because Jason chose Piper? I've read the fanfics about Jason choosing Piper, and they broke my heart.
2. Reyna's known Jason for four years. Piper's known Jason for about 8 months. Plus, how much does Piper really know about Jason?
3. Venus/Aphrodite could be influencing Piper and Jason. Do you really think that Aphrodite would favor Reyna over her own daughter? That's not true love.
4. Also, for those who say, "Oh, Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy remembered Annabeth." Oh really? What if Aphrodite made it like that? What if Juno couldn't wipe away Percy's memories but that was because Aphrodite was favoring him? Huh? So you can't say that Reyna meant little to Jason if he remembered part of her after his quest.
5. You say that Jason and Reyna weren't together, and Reyna meant little to Jason. The "not being together" part is true, but if Reyna meant little to Jason, WHY would he be guilty about what he was doing with Piper?
6. Aphrodite could actually be influencing Jason to forget Reyna because in TLH, you ONLY saw the kinder side to Piper. You forgot that she can be shallow. And also, in the books, Aphrodite says that she doesn't force them to do something they don't want to do; she just gives them "a little push." Mmmm-hmmm. Sure, hon. What about Helen and Paris? Aphrodite MADE Helen fall in love with Paris (because he gave a bloody apple). THAT is fake love. Why did she do that? Because they "looked so cute together." Therefore, there is a possibility that she is influencing them, and I repeat, that is so not true love.
7. Percy bathed in the River Styx. Annabeth IS his mortal point. He CAN'T forget her at all unless he wants to die. Jason didn't do that so maybe that's why he didn't remember Reyna.
8. Next up, Reyna and Jason are so PERFECT for each other. Why? Because Piper glorifies Jason. She thinks he's perfect. Let's look at Percy and Annabeth. Does Annabeth think that Percy is perfect? No. But he's her Seaweed Brain. Piper, on the other hand, can only see Jason's glory. Reyna sees everything about him crystal clearly.
9. If you people are thinking that Piper and Jason have to be together to unite the two camps, then you're WRONG! That wouldn't be true love, now would it?
9. JASPER is sooooo cliché. C'mon, the strong, powerful hero with the beautiful yet dangerous heroine? Sooooo cliché. Jayna is better because Reyna is the strict one that can have fun, and Jason is the kind one that can be serious. They're not that similar, and they aren't complete opposites, so they would be GREAT together.
Some of you guys also argue that Jason would've never fallen in love with Piper if he was already in love with Reyna. But he hasn't fallen in love with Piper yet. He just has a little crush on her. Here are my theories as to how he fell in love with Piper and why he shouldn't pick her:
1. Piper's a daughter of Aphrodite and obviously beautiful. It would be pretty hard not to have a crush on her, wouldn't it?
2. Like I said before, Piper's mother is Aphrodite and could be influencing them. Why? Because Aphrodite can be nice and kind BUT she can also be vain and self-centered. She also sometimes makes fake love happen like with Helen and Paris just because, "they looked so cute together!" Greeks Drool – Romans Rule on fanfiction.net had a theory about Piper's color-changing eyes and I LOVE IT! Jason lost his memory right? SO let's say he's trying to subconsciously remember Reyna, but he can't because his memory got wiped away. So whenever he looks at Piper, who's a daughter of APHRODITE, (who can change her appearance to show who you like or love) he sees eyes that change color because he can't remember the color of Reyna's eyes. After all, Leo doesn't mention anything about Piper's eyes changing color and neither does Piper. It's only Jason. Suspicious, eh…?
3. I have a million more reasons about why Reyna and Jayna are better than Piper and Jasper. Feel free to debate with me. But please THINK before you type something.
-Jen
(Now, if you read EVERYTHING that I wrote, you'll understand why Jason didn't remember Reyna like Percy did with Annabeth and why Jayna is the way to go. Of course, I'm not going to force you to change your opinion but this is just my argument on why you should support Jayna.)
Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. B..."you make some great points and i completely agree
Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. B..."
Just wanted to say ...wow...your reply is long....and that I think I read your fanfic. profile once or twice :/
Am...I just wanted to throw out an idea here...the part where Piper charmspoke Jason back from the dead...I don't think Piper actually did that.
If you remember when they were captured by the cyclops, after Leo killed the cyclops and they disintegrated, they started to re-form a few seconds /minutes afterward...which points to the fact that Thanatos had been already captured, and thus was not around to reap the souls of the dead ( or whatever he does exactly).
So basically...Piper didn't really charmspeak Jason back form the dead, since he wasn't really dead...as he wasn't claimed by the god of death.
I do think that maybe her voice did guide him a little...but I don't think he actually died and that she actually brought him back to life.
I think there are 2 reasons why Hera acted the way she did when Jason regained consciousness;
1) She is Zeus' wife...I don't think Hades would have liked her to interfere in his business ( since Thanatos is Hades' *employee*...) kind of like don't interfere with my territory kind of thing.
2) If she did explain that Jason didn't actually die...then she might have let something slip about camp Jupiter, which might have affected Percy 's quest.
It's just a thought I had...
Just wanted to say ...wow...your reply is long....and that I think I read your fanfic. profile once or twice :/
Am...I just wanted to throw out an idea here...the part where Piper charmspoke Jason back from the dead...I don't think Piper actually did that.
If you remember when they were captured by the cyclops, after Leo killed the cyclops and they disintegrated, they started to re-form a few seconds /minutes afterward...which points to the fact that Thanatos had been already captured, and thus was not around to reap the souls of the dead ( or whatever he does exactly).
So basically...Piper didn't really charmspeak Jason back form the dead, since he wasn't really dead...as he wasn't claimed by the god of death.
I do think that maybe her voice did guide him a little...but I don't think he actually died and that she actually brought him back to life.
I think there are 2 reasons why Hera acted the way she did when Jason regained consciousness;
1) She is Zeus' wife...I don't think Hades would have liked her to interfere in his business ( since Thanatos is Hades' *employee*...) kind of like don't interfere with my territory kind of thing.
2) If she did explain that Jason didn't actually die...then she might have let something slip about camp Jupiter, which might have affected Percy 's quest.
It's just a thought I had...
Either ways, at least for me, Reyna has a much more interesting personality than Piper.
Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. B..."
Wow you really want Reyna. I totally agree with you though.
I like her because:
First, her and Jason actually have history. Its not just Bam I love her.
Second, she, like Reneered said, is a beast. She is a fighter and isn't weak.
Third, She missed him. "Octavian gave Percy a disgusted look, then threw down his teddy bear and followed the crowd. Reyna stood at Percy's shoulders.
"I support you Percy. I trust your judgement. But for all our sakes, I hope we can keep the peace between our campers and your Greek friends."
"We will.," he promised. "You'll see."
She glanced up at the warship. Her expression turned a little wistful "You say Jason is aboard...I hope that's true. I've missed him."" They are friendly feeling but still they're better than Pipers.
Forth, I hate Piper.
Fifth, I love Reyna's charrie and she deserves a decent life.
Sixth, she loves her campers. She loves her home, and mixing Greek and Roman is so tricky already even without love.
Mercedes wrote: "Either ways, at least for me, Reyna has a much more interesting personality than Piper."
Yes! I'm scared that Reyna will die so Jason is stuck with Piper. Or hunters, that would be better.
Wow you really want Reyna. I totally agree with you though.
I like her because:
First, her and Jason actually have history. Its not just Bam I love her.
Second, she, like Reneered said, is a beast. She is a fighter and isn't weak.
Third, She missed him. "Octavian gave Percy a disgusted look, then threw down his teddy bear and followed the crowd. Reyna stood at Percy's shoulders.
"I support you Percy. I trust your judgement. But for all our sakes, I hope we can keep the peace between our campers and your Greek friends."
"We will.," he promised. "You'll see."
She glanced up at the warship. Her expression turned a little wistful "You say Jason is aboard...I hope that's true. I've missed him."" They are friendly feeling but still they're better than Pipers.
Forth, I hate Piper.
Fifth, I love Reyna's charrie and she deserves a decent life.
Sixth, she loves her campers. She loves her home, and mixing Greek and Roman is so tricky already even without love.
Mercedes wrote: "Either ways, at least for me, Reyna has a much more interesting personality than Piper."
Yes! I'm scared that Reyna will die so Jason is stuck with Piper. Or hunters, that would be better.
Galini wrote: "PIPER ALL THE WAY <3"Yay! Finally, a fellow Piper supporter. :D
I've just never liked Piper. At all. She's way too whiny...
♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Galini wrote: "PIPER ALL THE WAY Yay! Finally, a fellow Piper supporter. :D"
Haha, always was and always will be :D We don't even know yet if Jason EVEN likes Reyna.
Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she loved architecture. B..."Umm... Piper a Mary-Sue? PLEASE! Mary-Sues are chiche, dude. And Piper is everything but that! And in the beginning, do you remember her being popular? Everyone hated her, and she had only Leo and Jason as her friends. She wasn't beautiful -she was pretty-, until her mother made her so. And it's just like saying Silena was a Mary-Sue too -after all, she was a daughter of Aphrodite, beautiful, popular, and powerful. Actually, it's like saying EVERY daughter of Aphrodite is chiche, except they aren't powerful -but, seriously, what can you wait from one of the seven? Gosh, get you're thoughts right. We don't even know if Jason has feelings for Reyna yet, while he obviously seems to do A LOT for Piper. Geez.
rawr? wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she love..."
Yeah, I know, I mentioned that in my speech. Of course, people tend to see a lot of words and run for their lives these days. *sighs* (Not that I'm saying that you're one of them.)
Yeah, I know, I mentioned that in my speech. Of course, people tend to see a lot of words and run for their lives these days. *sighs* (Not that I'm saying that you're one of them.)
Galini wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth and how she love..."
Galini wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Galini wrote: "PIPER ALL THE WAY
Yay! Finally, a fellow Piper supporter. :D"
Haha, always was and always will be :D We don't even know yet if Jason EVEN likes Reyna."
Yes, but NOW she's popular. She overthrew Drew (and acted quite bitchy while doing that) and is now the hero of the Aphrodite cabin. She also helped free Hera and delay the king of the giants, so that had to increase her popularity. And like everyone says, she's beautiful. And NO, her mother DID NOT change the way she looks. She just made her put on a dress and makeup to enhance her looks. But, Piper was still Piper. After the charm wore off, she was the old Piper again and beautiful without wearing makeup. And, Silena WASN'T powerful. (she couldn't charmspeak and only had "makeup magic") Piper might be one of the seven but she doesn't have to have this INCREDIBLE power AND the ability to fight. After all, we have seen her fight even without training. (like with Dylan) I didn't say that she was a Mary-Sue. I said she was ALMOST a Mary-Sue. All she needs is to quit whining and get Jason and "POOF" she's a Mary-Sue. Another thing, Jason has feelings for Reyna because she "made him feel guilty about what he was doing with Piper." Oh yeah, he has NO FEELINGS whatsoever for Reyna. (That was sarcasm.) And, another thing, yes, he has a crush on Piper. But, being a daughter of the LOVE goddess, charming someone isn't hard. Plus, they mainly talk about each other's looks. Go look in the Lost Hero and find at least 5 times each that Jason and Piper were talking about each other and they didn't mention each other's looks. YOU CAN'T. Trust me, I've looked. And geez yourself.
-A very angry Jennie Spring
P.S. You spelled CLICHE wrong.
P.S.S. You didn't have to insult me. Seriously, "Get your thoughts right?" No. My thoughts are right. And yes, Piper has to be nearly perfect to be a Daughter of Aphrodite AND a member of the prophecy. That's why I think RR was digging himself his grave when he wrote Piper. And that's why I don't like Piper.
P.S.S. And actually, I think you've been reading too many parodies. Mary-Sues are not shoved in front of your face and stick out like a sore thumb. (Well, they do stick out but not like white in black) Mary-Sues are shown to be perfect but sometimes the reader is blinded by wanting to be him/her and admiring her that the truth is hidden. (Not saying that you're one of those people.) For example, check out Twilight. Tons of Mary-Sues/Gary-Stus in that book series.
Galini wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Galini wrote: "PIPER ALL THE WAY
Yay! Finally, a fellow Piper supporter. :D"
Haha, always was and always will be :D We don't even know yet if Jason EVEN likes Reyna."
Yes, but NOW she's popular. She overthrew Drew (and acted quite bitchy while doing that) and is now the hero of the Aphrodite cabin. She also helped free Hera and delay the king of the giants, so that had to increase her popularity. And like everyone says, she's beautiful. And NO, her mother DID NOT change the way she looks. She just made her put on a dress and makeup to enhance her looks. But, Piper was still Piper. After the charm wore off, she was the old Piper again and beautiful without wearing makeup. And, Silena WASN'T powerful. (she couldn't charmspeak and only had "makeup magic") Piper might be one of the seven but she doesn't have to have this INCREDIBLE power AND the ability to fight. After all, we have seen her fight even without training. (like with Dylan) I didn't say that she was a Mary-Sue. I said she was ALMOST a Mary-Sue. All she needs is to quit whining and get Jason and "POOF" she's a Mary-Sue. Another thing, Jason has feelings for Reyna because she "made him feel guilty about what he was doing with Piper." Oh yeah, he has NO FEELINGS whatsoever for Reyna. (That was sarcasm.) And, another thing, yes, he has a crush on Piper. But, being a daughter of the LOVE goddess, charming someone isn't hard. Plus, they mainly talk about each other's looks. Go look in the Lost Hero and find at least 5 times each that Jason and Piper were talking about each other and they didn't mention each other's looks. YOU CAN'T. Trust me, I've looked. And geez yourself.
-A very angry Jennie Spring
P.S. You spelled CLICHE wrong.
P.S.S. You didn't have to insult me. Seriously, "Get your thoughts right?" No. My thoughts are right. And yes, Piper has to be nearly perfect to be a Daughter of Aphrodite AND a member of the prophecy. That's why I think RR was digging himself his grave when he wrote Piper. And that's why I don't like Piper.
P.S.S. And actually, I think you've been reading too many parodies. Mary-Sues are not shoved in front of your face and stick out like a sore thumb. (Well, they do stick out but not like white in black) Mary-Sues are shown to be perfect but sometimes the reader is blinded by wanting to be him/her and admiring her that the truth is hidden. (Not saying that you're one of those people.) For example, check out Twilight. Tons of Mary-Sues/Gary-Stus in that book series.
Obviously? Why? Because I completely agree with Reneered, and I think that she made excellent points about why Reyna is better for Jason than Piper.
Reneered wrote: "Galini wrote: "Reneered wrote: "♘ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ™ wrote: "Well, I don't think so. Percy didn't really remember Camp until he drank the gorgon's blood, but he still had his memories of Annabeth a..."Um, bitchy? Everyone would be bitchy to Drew. And so? What if she's popular? Every daughter of Aphrodite is popular -this, of course, only increases my opinion of how stupid you sound by writing a 1000 words post just for nothing. I didn't say Piper changed by that -it only turned her more pretty. Marry-Sues are girls who are beautiful, do not know it, but everyone else does -almost no one thought of her as attractive except of Jason before her mother. Yes, but Drew was. And seriously, EVERY kid from the seven is powerful -why d you just stick with Piper? Geez. Umm, gosh, you are the whiny one, complaining about something so stupid. Think before you talk. At least, we, Jasper fans, do not try to make others hate Reyna unlike what you try to do with Piper -actually, I love Reyna, but you just change my opinions and respect for her in every post against Piper that you write. And, oh my god, you did not just imply Piper CHARMED Jason to like her? You should be ashamed, saying something so stupid -Jason liked her for her personality, not for her looks. And yes, maybe he has some feelings for Reyna, but they're not as strong than the ones he has for Piper, obviously. Umm... that's just too idiotic to reply to... of course they aren't only talking about how attractive they are... Is that your best answer? Gosh.
P.S. Now you're talking about my spelling. That's just stupid.
P.S.S. Um, you know, being a daughter of Aphrodite doesn't make you more less important to not get into the seven. And Rick Riordan is a smart author, so he must have reasons to add all the romance between Piper and Jason.
Look. I know Piper isn't the best character ever, but I trust Rick Riordan and would never hate one of his character. Especially Reyna. I respect the fans of the idea of her with Jason, but you should respect and ours. We never said anything against Reyna to try a fight against you -we just shared our beliefs, which then you turned against us.
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Just because they've known each other longer doesn't actually mean they would make a good couple. Besides, I'm almost 100% sure that RR will pair Jason and Piper together.