Twilight question

Biggest plot hole has got to be that the entire second book was based on the fact one of the Cullen family went crazy when Bella got a paper cut. Isn't this a vampire who goes to a school every day, which must be full of kids getting nosebleeds, paper cuts, scraped knees, not to mention girls on their period? Not sure if there's a "theory" out there to explain that away, but even if there is, I can imagne its a pretty poor explanation for what is otherwise a major plot hole.

nobody ever noticing the cullens' appearance- the pale skin, eye shadows, gold eyes...that isn't normal, and it would be noticed that an entire (unrelated) family had those abnormalities...

and if they actually feel like cold stone, there's no way that carlisle could treat people and never touch them...and if he does touch them, there's no way they're not gonna notice that their doctor feels like a statue.

The pregnancy plot line never made sense, and was even contradicted in BD. Bella mentions/ narrates that female vampires couldn't get pregnant because their bodies are frozen and cannot change. How, therefore, can male vampires get an erection to have sex in the first place? Their bodies would need to change...and their also frozen!

The business about the pregnancy didn't bother me, really. I was prepared to believe all kinds of crazy stuff about the physiology of vampires. After all, if you're making stuff up, why not make up interesting stuff?

But there were a number of things that bothered me a great deal.

1) The confrontation between the Cullens/witnesses and the Volturi in BD shouldn't have been portrayed as so one-sided in favor of the Volturi guard. Even after Bella develops perfect control over her projected shield, SM implies that the Cullens could have won the fight, but it would have been a near thing and they'd have taken lots of losses. This seems crazy to me for a number of reasons, including these:

* Even if Bella didn't suddenly develop (just in time!) the ability to project her shield, it would have been a simple matter to neutralize Jane's power. SM says somewhere that Jane's power requires her to see her victim. If that's so, then she could have been taken out of the fight easily by Zafrina, who was able to blind her.

* Benjamin used his power over earth, water and fire to pound a hole in the ground and to toss some boulders into a pile. Did he forget that he could also control flame? Vampires are vulnerable to burning ... why didn't Benjamin just set the entire Volturi force on fire? Game over immediately if he does that.

2) In the run-up to the fight between Victoria's army and the Cullens, she meets with Jane, who delays her intervention in the hope that the fight would destroy or decimate the Cullens. We assume she did this against Aro's wishes because we know he had his eye on adding Alice, Edward and (eventually) Bella to his own coven and would not have been happy if they were destroyed. Here's my question: If we assume that Aro learned about this (by plucking it out of Jane's own mind or by learning of it from Edward), why didn't he punish Jane for her betrayal?

The plot hole that really bothered me was, if we disregard the fact that Edward shouldn't be able to conceive a child, why does his child grow faster than normal, it should actually be slower. Also why is Nessie warmer than the average human especially if she was making Bella cold through her entire pregnancy. Nessie should probably be slightly colder while not absolutely freezing. Also if imprinting is there for breeding purposes Renesemee wouldn't be the most viable candidate because most hybrids come out sterile. Proving further that Renesemee was nothing more than the consolation prize for Jacob. He can't have Bella, so he should get her daughter. Which is why her traits match his more than her actual parentage, unless there's something Bella's not telling us.

I know that people have brought up the plot hole about how Alice should have seen Bella’s decision to meet up with James as soon as she made the decision to meet up with him at the ballet studio on the phone, but there’s an even bigger plot hole to me with that scene. Bella is on the phone with James who she is trying to play off as her mother, she’s first in the room with Alice while on the phone and then goes into her separate room in the hotel to continue talking. You’re trying to tell me that Alice, a vampire with superhuman hearing can’t hear who Bella is talking to on the phone while in the same room? I don’t believe that for a second lol. In the baseball scene there’s a part where Esme calls one of the plays and Edward, standing well over a football fields length away is able to hear her speaking at a normal volume.
Inconsistencies man..

Kay breaking dawn ultimate plot hole. Zafrina and Bella alone should be able to defeat anyone including the Volturi. Zafrina takes away there senses, and Bella can block anything between them, and then just pick them off. So why was bd so difficult?

The Cullen family would never be able to function inconspicuously in human society. They've lived in Forks for two years at the start of book one, so did they repeat the same school year (even though they're all smarter than their "peers") or start one year down when they arrived in Forks (while classmates already comment that they look old enough to be in college)? What were they planning to do after "graduation" - move to another town and attend high school for another two years before moving yet again? Did no one ever question the fact that they buy food, sit quietly and throw away their untouched plates at the end of lunch every day? Doesn't anyone of the school staff question the fact that they're all simultaneously not in class whenever the sun is out?

1.Child vampires are not allowed to exist because of their inability to control their thirst. However both Jane and Alec are vampire children so technically the volturi has broken their own law.

2. Jacob is initally forbidden to tell Bella about the wolves although they're clearly aware that she knows about vampires.

I think that the worst plot hole was that Edward abandoned Bella to Forks after exposing her to the supernatural world, when the whole Cullen family obviously knew about the werewolves in La Push, who they obviously detested. Abandoning her for her own "safety" makes no sense when she's about two steps away from anger-fueled werewolves (not to say that the vampires are any safer, but from the Cullen's perspective).
Not to mention the fact that Edward's opinion held so much weight that the whole family left??? That was weird, too. Also, the fact that Jasper was fine while Bella was bleeding out in their encounter with James, but went bloodthirsty when she got a paper cut.

What irked me was the sparkling, because they said vampires sparkled and ONLY Edward sparkled in the FIRST movie. NO ONE ELSE SPARKLED! And then they just never sparkled in any other of the movies.

Biggest plot hole - how is Jasper able to control Bella's mood, when no other "vampire powers" work on her.

In the last book, if the fetus was strong enough to literally break Bella's ribs, why couldn't it have survived outside her body? Why not just get it out of her when it started causing her pain?

How did they function at school when at any give time at least one girl would be on her menstrual cycle?

IN TWILIGHT IT WOULD'VE MADE A LOT MORE SENSE IF THAT OLD RADDLETRAP OF A TRUCK BELONGED TO CHARLIE,THEN SHE COULD HAVE SUFFERED RIDING TO SCHOOL IN HIS SQUAD CAR OR USEING THAT OLD BUCKET HEAP TO GO ON HER OWN.(PERSONALLY I'D HAVE WALKED)IT DID'NT MAKE SENSE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.SHE WAS ALREADY DREADING BEING THE NEW KID AND DID'NT LIKE ATTENTION AND COMING THERE IN THAT HEAP WITH THE MOTOR SOUNDING LIKE A JET ENGINE WAS DIFFENTLY AN ATTENTION GRABBER.

Chapter 16 - Edward took Bella into Carlisle's library to tell her of the histories. While there, Carlisle explains that he can't tell Bella about his background because he is running late to cover another doctor's shift at the hospital. If Carlisle is working at the hospital, how in the world is he then playing baseball just a little while later??

In the first book, I didn't believe for a second that the Cullen family, hiding out, would send their kids (Edward is over 100 years old) to high school. Then, the family is willing to give up everything, their privacy, their money, their world, for Bella? Nah. But, Meyer delivered and made millions. Capitalism at its finest, and good for her.

Mi hoyo en crepúsculo es porque Jasper si puede camiar el estado de animo de Bella si se supone que ella tiene una "protección", Edward no pudo leer su mente, Jane no podía infringirle dolory Zafrina no pudo hacerla ver visiones a través de la ilusión, entonces ¿por qué Jasper podía cambiar las emociones de Bella?

I’m a huge fan of Twilight before it got popular or made into the movies. I’ve read the series almost 10 times each and I always pick up on new things.
The question is, if Jasper was around after Edward began to transform Bella, at any given point of that transformation, would he not have felt what Bella was feeling? Would not the agony and torment have alerted him, and then Edward to Bella feening being unaware of what was happening to her because, as she claimed, she was in a coma like state.
And to that end, shouldn’t Jasper have realized that she was lying to them since her feelings would have been opposite of calm at remembering the previous few days.

Darina wrote: "The holes that most irritated me were:

1. Edward being able to father a baby even though he's dead
2. Jacob imprinting on the monster baby even if imprinting is possible only for people of the tri..."

1. they explained this in Breaking Dawn!
2. There were never any restrictions or impossibilities for imprinting mentioned in the books.

Didn't it say that the Cullens had been in senior year for, like, a super long time? Wouldn't the teachers notice? Wouldn't the principal finally be like, "these geniuses have been held back twenty times now.."

Plot hole:
Jasper can't control his thirst because he is the Cullen family's newest recruit.
Jasper was however turned into a vampire in the days of the conferedate army.

That makes Edward a newer recruit than Jasper.

I'm rewatching the series during quarantine, at age 29, lol do NOT judge me we're all doing weird stuff during this pandemic, but here are a few plot holes that bother the hell outta me:

- If they need to feed on animals, especially during BD1 (they make such a point to show their black eyes and conflict with Jacob's pack in the movie) why didn't they set up a farm or animal section of their vast property to just feed from rather than make a big deal to hunt? They act like getting animal blood is super hard and strenuous. Lol just farm raise cattle and sheep and call it a day. They live in rural Seattle - it would be absolutely acceptable to live off grid and farm your own food.

- I just read Midnight Sun and he explains that he could stay with her all of the time really, or at least at night. He can predict or tell when Charlie is coming, he has super abilities that can detect any oncoming thing, so there really isn't a reason to leave. But Bella is without him SO MUCH in the movies lol idk there is truly no relationship building in the movies.

- It's been said here but wouldn't Alice have been able to see that James was going to attack Bella in the first book? She has SO many different future outcomes - it's crazy that she didn't see it. Like she should have been able to see it right when he decides to hunt her at the baseball game.

- How did Alice see that Bella would be one of them but then not see her getting pregnant when Bella had made up her mind on literally everything day 1?

- How did Edward not know/notice Bella was late when he can literally smell blood and probably keeps track?

- In Midnight Sun Edward says he's perfected the human psyche but he is literally always wrong about Bella lol I mean this is more of a complaint rather than a plot hole, but it's very frustrating from a character perspective. It's also SO hard to believe that he's been 17 for 100 years, had a "dark" phase, is hit on by older women, has hunted people, is literally designed to be desired and has 0 experience in women or Bella's feelings.

- Also in Midnight Sun he explains he has very little recollection of his human life, and is SO unfamiliar with human-y things/ is almost repulsed by them (saying they look like meat blobs, and complaining and human traits and habits) but it's so hard to believe that 1) his family would agree to thrive with human children when they could do literally anything else (lol like why?) and 2) in BD1 he is SO adamant on marrying Bella, and keeping so true to his customs lol Also he says so many times in MS that there is SO LITTLE TIME and every moment with Bella must be cherished, but in the movies he's like "Why rush!? There's so much time!!"

That was a lot lol it's all fresh, but I applaud the series as a whole. As much as I criticize, I love that this exists in our universe, specifically to do this, and to challenge us to create things. Just doing that takes a lot of courage and it's just super fun to think about. Thanks for keeping it alive for us to enjoy, especially during 2020! :D

My biggest complaint is that in Twilight during the scene where they kill James, Jasper is there and Bella is bleeding but doesn’t attack her but in NM at the party Bella gets a paper cut and he goes crazy?

This isn't necessarily a full explanation, but I thought at least with the Jasper thing that the explanation was how surprised he was, along with him feeling the other vampires feelings in the room. Like he resisted in the ballet studio because he was mentally preparing for that situation for awhile, and also probably getting used to the smell of Bella's blood by staying around her. Plus he was incredibly focused on getting James and as soon as they were done with that he left the room Asap. And they had him enter from the front, partially to corner James, but I also thought so that just in case he couldn't handle it the others would already be there. And even in accidents at school he could mentally prepare by being like "I am in gym class" or "I am at school" and therefore expect there to be temptations/hold his breath. I think the reason Jasper was so reactive in New Moon is because he and everyone else were caught off guard, Bella has particularly potent blood, and he could feel the others emotions, who also weren't calm. Maybe not a full explanation, but it makes sense to me.

Question: if the hybrid vampire/human and his aunt walk up right after aro and Alice finish talking why didn’t they arrive during the big fight scene? Did they just hang back and chill? Thats always bothered me. 1 out of 234 plot holes

Edward, brilliant and beautiful, could be saving the world. Instead, he goes to high school. Yea, sure. On the other hand, there were no smartphones in 2005, so maybe Edward invents them so he can find Bella when he wants to. And stalk her forever.

The fact that Alice couldn't share her vision of Bella Surviving with Edward, or that Edward couldn't just go back to Forks to check on Bella. Nope, had to kill himself without double checking.

James convincing Bella that he had her mother using home movies from when she was little and it working. First of all, the sound quality on home videos is god awful. I'd be amazed that Bella could recognize the noise as a voice at all, let alone being able to understand what was being said and who was saying it. It doesn't make any sense.

Just as big of a plot hole is why Bella didn't tell the vampires that she thought James had her mother to begin with. Alice could have checked on Bella's mother, made sure it was true, then they could have found a way to deal with it together. There is no reason Bella should have run off by herself to save her mother when she couldn't have done a damn thing to stop James.

Every single bit of science about why Edward was able to impregnate Bella makes no sense. If every bit of his body fluid was replaced by venom then she should have been changed right after right after Edward and Bella have sex. There's some tearing that goes on down there when a girl loses her virginity, and that should have gotten the venom into her blood stream.

Why Jasper has such a hard time being around humans when it's been shown that simply not breathing is a simple solution to dealing with the smell. Not really a plot hole, but it bugged me.

This one also isn't a plot hole, and more of a nit pick, but still... why does Edward have a Volvo? Everyone else has sports cars and Edward has a Volvo?

Like you said, how he inseminated Bella.... Also, her menstrual cycle stuff (until the last book was it mentioned)...

I agree with the Volvo thing..it really irritated me alot :L

1. In BD Edward says that Dimitri probably can't track Bella because of her power, yet in Twilight it clearly states that James, a tracker, is able to track Bella. 2. In Eclipse at the bonfire, Jacob states that Emily wasn't happy about Quill imprinting on her niece, yet in BD when Jacob is at the beach with Quill and Claire, Sam is howling and Quill says, "I don't know where her mom is," implying that Emily is Claire's mom, because why would Sam give a shit about a character who we would never meet and has nothing to do with him except being related to his fiance.

Also, going with the dead blood theory on periods - why it's still fine for pregnant Bella and Renesmee to have donated blood.

How Bella's blood can smell so amazing when she has a universal blood type (40% of people are 0-) and she's not even a minority ethnicity to counter balance that (eg Africans have a tendency to sickle cell anaemia). Is she iron deficient to make her blood smell sweeter? Was there someone like Renesmee way back in her blood line? Would have loved more on that.

With the jasper thing I reckon that's because he can feel the others blood lust as well as his own so he has a harder time controlling it. I mean even though they can be around humans they still feel their blood lust it's just they don't act on it so feeling his own plus the others makes it harder for him. There are some good points brought up here.

Darina wrote: "1. Edward being able to father a baby even though he's dead
2. Jacob imprinting on the monster baby even if imprinting is possible only for people of the tribe."

Well, but wouldn't point 1 have to start at him being out and about in the first place - being dead and all... :)

I'm not sure it ever says that they can only imprint _on_ people of the tribe, or does it?

Why is bright sunlight the only thing that can make them sparkle??? Surely, they should glitter a little bit under florescent or bright light, which I'm sure the school would have. Why would people care if they did sparkle? If I saw someone sparkle, I'd just think they were really camp and love glitter and stick on gemstones.

Love all you guys:) thank you

Carlisle only creates vampires in order to save their life.

However, it seems to be accepted that newborns will at least kill a handful of people before they settle down and become vegetarian, if they ever do.

How does Carlisle justify saving the life of one person (by vampiring-them), when it's almost a given that that vampire will then go kill a bunch of people?

Nothing about the series makes sense, lol.

The fact that Edward's eyes weren't red after drinking Bella's blood. I suppose he could've put contacts on.


In the movies, the 'vampires sparkle' inconsistency really got to me.

1. Worst one - the baby. SM created her vamps as beings of livings stone, who had no more cellular growth. That sterilized them right there.

2. Bella was determined to get away from Alice & Jasper to meet James in the studio. James was intent on killing her there. Neither of them wavered in that decision, so Alice should have seen Bella with James, in plenty of time to grab Bella.

3. Alice knew about Jacob and what he was before she and Bella went to Italy in New Moon. Aro should have read that in her memories when Alice showed him Bella would be turned. With that knowledge, they would have come loaded for "bear", and not been surprised by the presence of the wolf pack on the battlefield. SM made much of the fact that the wolves surprised Aro and made him stop and agree to talk.

4. Not really a plot hole, more of an author contrivance. Why would Edward Cullen buy such crappy camping equipment that it would require Bella to spoon with the dog to keep from freezing? Alice foresaw a major snowstorm coming, so he should have gotten gear worthy of an arctic expedition. No, just an excuse to let Jacob cuddle with Bella in front of Edward.

5. And since I'm on author contrivances...Jake imprinting on the impossibaby. In the previous books, the characters WORKED to resolve their problems. They made decisions, and dealt with the consequences of those decisions. Here, in one shot, SM ties up three plot lines in a row:

- love triangle between Bella, Edward and the dog
- wolf pack coming to kill the impossibaby
- conflict between Sam's pack and Jacob's

It's not a plot hole, but it's a big SO WHAT, because nobody earned anything. It was all done for them.

Darina wrote: "The holes that most irritated me were:

1. Edward being able to father a baby even though he's dead
2. Jacob imprinting on the monster baby even if imprinting is possible only for people of the tri..."


I don't really think those are plot holes. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I think those are just things that people don't like about the series.

If you say that Edward shouldn't be able to father a child because he's dead, I could say that he shouldn't be walking, talking, eating, drinking, driving, etc. And they shouldn't have blood circulating in their bodies the way the book says that the newborns do for a year. They're vampires. They're not dead, they're undead. And since it's fiction, whatever rules the author decides being a vampire means, is more or less acceptable. I'd probably say the problem lies more in the way she tried to explain it scientifically.


I don't think it ever says that imprinting is only for people in the tribe. The only parameters in that respect are that only a wolf can imprint. And it does say that the purpose is to make the tribe stronger. In which case Jacob imprinting on Renesmee makes sense. Physically, she's an asset to the tribe, and she allies the wolves with the vampires, giving them more protection.

This whole thread is interesting and so true at the same time. I myself also have asked some of these questions. A lot of information in this series contradicted itself throughout the books. The list from above could possible go on forever...

1. How is it that Alice could not see that Victoria had 'decided' to make a vampire army.
2. The inconsistent 'sparkle'.
3. The way Meyer set the plot line as Vampires bodies are supposed to be 'stone' so a) it makes absolutely no sense that vampire 'private' parts are the one part that are malleable. Frankly Meyer should have left the stone skin plotline out ; and b) if vampire skin doesn’t change, how is it Ashley Green's character Alice has a fat pimple in Breaking Dawn. Really, they couldn't digitally remove it?
4. The plot line that Alice's visions were based on people's 'decisions' was stupid. It really messes with the believability of the plot and makes it more complicated. Why couldn't she just see the future, period.
5. The pack turning to wolves because vampires are near, per the storythe Cullens had moved back to Forks 2 years prior to the start of the movie, so why is it the wolves don't come until Bella gets to town.

There were unfortunately, a lot of plot holes/inconsistencies in the Twilight series. The majority of them, I had been willing to overlook until "Breaking Dawn" when they just became too much.

Like lots of you have already mentioned, the pregnancy didn't make sense. Vampires, particularly as they are described in this series, cannot have babies.

The there was Renesme herself--I had a huge problem with her accelerated aging. She was a human/vampire hybrid. If humans age at a regular pace, and vampires don't age at all, it made no sense for her to have accelerated aging. Logically, a human/vampire hybrid should age very slowly. Yet, didn't Carlisle confirm that Renesme's chromosomes were like Jacob's? She's human and vampire, why on earth does she have anything in common with werewolves?

They're not really plot holes, but they bothered me a lot when I was in that phase.

- The vampire baseball game? I mean... I can't really explain it but that's just something that even Syfy wouldn't come up... considering the standards Syfy has for most of their movies.

- I really don't understand why they forced themselves to even go to high school after 100 some odd years. Couldn't they possibly spend their time doing something else other that waste their time at school?

- The term "vegetarian vampire". I don't know... it just irks me seeing as they're not true vegetarians >_>, or even vampires for that matter.

One plot hole I noticed (I don't remember if it happened in the book) that happened in the last movie. Alice was able to show Aro her vision of what would happen should he fight them. She shouldn't have been able to have that vision because the shape shifters were there.

Why the vegetarian vampires are meant to be weaker than normal vampires, but then they're able to best the normal vampires with no fatalities.

Why Alice never gets a thank you for finding Nahuel and saving them all.

Whether Bella still has a relationship with her mom.

Also, I would have liked Leah to find love.