Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
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Does anyone else besides me hate Harry Potter?
Eleanor wrote: "ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ wrote: "It's ok to have your own opinion on Harry Potter, but you don't have to say everyone who reads it is an idiot. I started reading Harry Potter when I was 8 or 9, and I lov..."That is totaly true!!! Both of you have a great opinion on these things. :)
I absolutely love the Harry Potter series, and always have. I read the fifth book in second grade -_-‘ I’ve read all of them so many times that my friends and family make fun of me. I think that J. K. Rowling is an amazing author with a wonderful imagination, and if you think otherwise, you don’t need to share it.
Amelia wrote: "Okay, I've heard of a fan club, which is used to share enthusiasm about something (book, music, film, etc.) but to hate something so much you make a forum just to slag off those who enjoy it and ex..."I agree with this statement and similar ones.
Eleanor wrote: "ɢα'ѕ ɢυαrdιαɴ wolғ wrote: "It's ok to have your own opinion on Harry Potter, but you don't have to say everyone who reads it is an idiot. I started reading Harry Potter when I was 8 or 9, and I lov..."Yeah, that's one of the things I love most about Harry Potter. There's so many different levels and ways to interpret it that every time I open the book I gain a new understanding of it. From the time when I first started reading it, to now, to in the future, the books open my eyes to new things. That's why I know that, like it or not, me and the majority of the people on this earth will remember Harry Potter for a long, long time.
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HARRY POTTER IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! got that people if you think other whys you will have to deal with me.
No offense, but most people I know who hate Harry Potter a) Haven't had the patience to read the whole series, and b) gave up on the first chapter of the book they were trying to read. The first book is the FIRST BOOK. It has a lot of background that needs to be set up for the rest of the series. Another thing- DON'T JUDGE THE BOOKS ACCORDING TO THE MOVIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So many people pre-judge a book on a movie, and the movies aren't nearly as good. So, overall: Don't judge the books until you've read them, and at least try to get involved with them, OK?
Kayla wrote: "The stupid book has no point at all! Only complete idiots would read Harry Potter!"Wow. How far did you even get into the series? The first page? Maybe the first chapter? The thing is, you have to go a bit deeper than the words to appreciate Harry Potter, to see the brilliance and complexity of the plot and characters. Most people I know who don't like Harry Potter don't like it because they don't have the attention span to get into it and appreciate it. So, instead of insulting the readers, try looking at why you don't like it. What does the answer say about you?
Michael wrote: ""AVADA KEDAVRA" hmmm that was easy...."Ha ha. Thank you!!!!
Bluedaizy wrote: "Wow. That's a mature comment...NOT. I bet you're 10, right??That goes for the creator of this discussion topic. If you don't care for a book, great! But elaborate on why you don't like the ..."
Agreed.
Kimberly wrote: "I don't like the harry potter series. I read the first and didn't like the style or any of it. It gets kind of old. This kid goes to wizard school and defeats things that come back! WOW!! So intere..."Sorry. A lot of first books are like that. They need to build a foundation for the rest of the series. Personally, I like the first book, and it's amazing how, reading the seventh, you can see tie ins to the first.
The thing about the plot- it's not generally a good idea to judge a book, especially the first of the series, by it's conflict. Can you imagine if Harry defeated Voldemort permanently in the first book? Where's the buildup? The emotional connection with the character? The complexity and feel of the resolution? If Harry had killed Voldemort in the first book, you would probably still be commenting on how stupid it was, but I think you would have a better basis.
Also, if you go more in depth, you'll find there's a lot more to even the first book than you see at first glance. I'm a fanatic- I've read the series ten times- and every time I see something I hadn't noticed before.
I find it interesting that you all keep calling those who don't like it 10 year olds. I read books 1-5 for the first time when I was eight. It isn't necessarily age that determines whether or not you like the series- although the different books are geared to Harry's age in them.
Ginny-Are you sure you weren't influenced by those around you in the negative direction? What's this about kid-friendly vocabulary? One of the primary sources of learning new vocabulary is from reading books. So what are you trying to say? Keep the kids at the level they're at? Two terms: context definitions and dictionaries. I read the series for the first time in second grade, and it was kid-friendly enough for me. Challenging vocabulary is a good thing.
I also can't understand why you said it made you feel "dirty." Are we talking about the same series? The only parts I can think of that might merit that description are Voldemort scenes. No, Harry doesn't face some goofy, silly villain- he faces real evil. I think the books do a good job of showing this without going too far into description.
I totally agree with your point that just because something is popular doesn't make it good, in reading as well as life. However, that doesn't mean that everything popular is drivel, or terrible. I realize you're countering comments that "why would so many people like it if it isn't good?" which are ridiculous.
Another point that I would like to bring to your attention, is that proclaiming an extremely popular series as "drivel" may alienate you from those around you.
There's a lot of good in those books; if you can try to see it, you might understand where we're coming from.
Doe (Dominique) wrote: "I absolutely love the Harry Potter series, and always have. I read the fifth book in second grade -_-‘ I’ve read all of them so many times that my friends and family make fun of me. I think that J...."
Even though I adore this book series, I am a huge Harry Potter fan, I feel the need to disagree with that last sentence. If you don't like a book or series, you by all means can tell why or what could have been better; it is just the saying "I don't like it," and not giving a reason that is irritating. J.K Rowling probably wouldn't have made such brilliant books like Harry Potter without some contrasting input. Therefore, it's just saying you don't like something and not giving a reason that seems stupid and idiotic to me.
Even though I adore this book series, I am a huge Harry Potter fan, I feel the need to disagree with that last sentence. If you don't like a book or series, you by all means can tell why or what could have been better; it is just the saying "I don't like it," and not giving a reason that is irritating. J.K Rowling probably wouldn't have made such brilliant books like Harry Potter without some contrasting input. Therefore, it's just saying you don't like something and not giving a reason that seems stupid and idiotic to me.
Wow anyone who doesn't like the books never read them... it's pathetic how many people don't like Harry Potter... My little brother hasn't read the books and still loves it... it takes skill not to like any harry potter book... ugh it's annoying when my friends hate harry potter... or chocolate! :) i just love sitting in bed reading the books... there is a down to that though... I CAN'T PUT IT DOWN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Katrina wrote: "Ginny-Are you sure you weren't influenced by those around you in the negative direction? What's this about kid-friendly vocabulary? One of the primary sources of learning new vocabulary is from re..."
Sorry about that- I realized that night what she meant. Whoops. Yes, the swearing is a problem, though, unfortunately, it is pretty true to teenage boy vocabulary. I read the series to my little brother, and just bleeped out any cussing. I'm glad that there isn't too much, considering some books I've tried to read, and, if it really bugs someone, white out works great. I don't think the whole book should be disregarded because of a few unfortunate, but thankfully somewhat mild, words.
Stefanie wrote: "Wow anyone who doesn't like the books never read them... it's pathetic how many people don't like Harry Potter... My little brother hasn't read the books and still loves it... it takes skill not to..."I have heard of a few people who've read the books and didn't like them, but I agree; many have only read the first book. I don't think we should reject anyone's opinions, but I do agree with above that they should at least give us reasons.
Cussing is pretty to true to my vocabulary as well. I'm not bothered by it sadly, but hell I have to learn to live with it or else the whole world is gonna bug me. I just live with it. I put into my stories to make an emphasis on anger mostly, not just thrown in there.
I don't like cussing, but mild stuff, like in Harry Potter, I've learned to ignore. I went through one phase where I did take white-out to my books. =)
I actually did that too, and then I did it to my mom's erotica book and white out everything I thought was bad which was mostly half the book. XD But thanks to my high school years and work I kind of just joined in on the frenzy. I don't say it around parents, just only when I'm really pissed off.
It can be really hard not to swear. I've only said one out loud, but I find them in my head sometimes. I don't like it.
Well the music I listen to along with books, movies and shows influence my swearing I guess. I've gotten bad that it just comes out like normal vocabulary. :/
Remember kids, words are just that, words.
Kid? You better not be calling me a kid. XD
Anyone < 21 = kid to me.
Right...I feel insulted. XD
I wish I never read Harry Potter. Then I'd have something to look foward to in life! :( Okay that was dramatic.
Natalie wrote: "Right...I feel insulted. XD"Sounds like a problem on your end. It wasn't meant as an insult. Are you suggesting the being a kid is somehow lesser than not being one? Because I would argue that being a kid is a lot more fun! :]
Hahaha no...hence the weird smiley emoticon...I really don't care if I'm called a kid. And yeah I learned the hard way that being a kid is a lot better. But sadly I can't be a kid anymore...I pay my own bills, car shit, work 40+ hours to keep my life/college stuff in check, go to school full time, and do taxes. :/ I miss it honestly.
yo people, don't hate me for this comment but between the two rival series of Harry Potter and Twilight I would say equal, because I like them both....
Natalie wrote: "Hahaha no...hence the weird smiley emoticon...I really don't care if I'm called a kid."I figured, I was just playing along :P
XD Hahaha okay. Sorry if I seem on edge. I've been having issues lately. But it's all good.
Yes. I love HP. Anyone who doesn't't is completely crazy!
Didn't read all of the discussion but there is a flaw in the person who started the discussions logic- surely to comment that you hate it, you would have read it, which would make you fall under the category of 'complete ideot.'Your either a kid or a troll.
(sorry about the awful spelling)
Louizzza wrote: "Didn't read all of the discussion but there is a flaw in the person who started the discussions logic- surely to comment that you hate it, you would have read it, which would make you fall under th..."i wouldnt call her an idiot, i mean, i love harry potter, but we're all alowed our opinion
Kayla wrote: "The stupid book has no point at all! Only complete idiots would read Harry Potter!"It has, the plot stays the same: good has to defeat bad.
But why most people - who you would call idiots btw - love the series, is because HP changes with the reader, he gets older, more mature, more experienced.
But not only does HP grows, but so does the storyline. The four first book are independent novels. From book five to book seven, is actually the real series, or better yet, the trilogy... You cannot read book seven without reading book five or six.
Note also that J.K.Rowling's writing grows and matures... The phrases evoluate from short, childish and easy to read and understand to phrases who are more 'YA-ish', a tad bit more complicated, but it makes the books so much more interesting...
You should read the series again, but not in the superficial way, or in a 'blèh, I hate HP because it doesn't have a plotline but I read it anyway because that MR chick told me so' way. No, you have to be openminded, you have to dissect the series, analyse it word for word, think about it and if you have done so and only then, you can come back and tell us if you liked it or not. We will agree with you not liking it, but you have to at least explain why...
You cannot make a statement and not argue why you have that point of view.
Jordan wrote: "Louizzza wrote: "Didn't read all of the discussion but there is a flaw in the person who started the discussions logic- surely to comment that you hate it, you would have read it, which would make ..."Haha you missed my point, I wasn't calling her an idiot as my opinion i was just saying her first post was grammatically wrong because by her own logic she would be one of those idiots. (:
Ruby wrote: "I wish I never read Harry Potter. Then I'd have something to look foward to in life! :(
Okay that was dramatic."
wow, really? >:-(
Okay that was dramatic."
wow, really? >:-(
Mary Rose wrote: "Kayla wrote: "The stupid book has no point at all! Only complete idiots would read Harry Potter!"
It has, the plot stays the same: good has to defeat bad.
But why most people - who you would call..."
Agreed. Kayla, just read the fine print of the book.
It has, the plot stays the same: good has to defeat bad.
But why most people - who you would call..."
Agreed. Kayla, just read the fine print of the book.
I do not hate the books. Have read them all. Devoured them really. Ultimately they are childrens books and as such are done well. Personally I would not read them again because there are far more interesting and challenging things out there. I do not begrudge anybody loving them or hating them. Personal choices and personal preferences. Enjoy your reading. Sometimes it expands your thinking. Sometimes it is pointless and purely for pleasure.
You obviously have no taste in good literature...............
Why, I can't say that I agree. I love it.
Jillian wrote: "Ruby wrote: "I wish I never read Harry Potter. Then I'd have something to look foward to in life! :( Okay that was dramatic."
wow, really? >:-("
What?
Jillian wrote: "Mary Rose wrote: "Kayla wrote: "The stupid book has no point at all! Only complete idiots would read Harry Potter!"It has, the plot stays the same: good has to defeat bad.
But why most people - ..."
Yeah....People hate it with a passion....but have they read it? ...
I used to cannot understand the hype of Harry Potter (since I never read the books or saw the movies), I mean what's so special about wizards and magic huh?But after reading the first book, I just felt annoyed at myself for not picking it up sooner, because it's like the best book ever!!!!! And I need to contradict myself and say EVERYTHING ABOUT WIZARDS AND MAGIC IS SPESHULLL...
I don’t know who is dumber, the f**ker who started this discussion or the host of people who swam towards the carefully-placed net and got caught up in its weaves of bulls*it.Either way…WTF??
This whole thing was (not so originally) created by some narcissistic dumbass with delusions of grandeur who thought: “If I write: “Anyone who likes (INPUT POPULAR BOOK HERE) are idiots”, I will get 1000+ hits by tomorrow.
And sadly, you have all fallen prey to this idiot and proved him or her right. SMH…
I know that you are all smarter than this, so just ignore the dumbass and continue on with your lives. Chances are they will go away. And if they don’t, well f*ck em’, he can’t argue with himself…
(still shaking my head….)—I can’t believe you fell for this bull—so sad...
The stupid book has no points at all?Uh, well, I think that they does, for they entertain a LOT of people.. Yes, the one you named 'complete idiots.' And well, I could say a lot about that, but I just keep my mouth shut. As long as I enjoy - better, love and adore - Harry Potter, that's fine by me.
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Very well said! I completely agree. I started reading the books when I was about 7, I think, and loved them as well.
Also, I don't think I've ever heard of a book that's appealed to such a wide audience, either...