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The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - June 2024 Theme BOM - GAMES (starts 16 Jun)
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I couldnt imagine being in a position of power and receiveing a letter like that! I sure never ran away as a kid, i had a pretty happy home, so I couldnt say if I yould have done the same if I was in her shoes.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Im super intrigued by the concept and would 100% visit! would make for some cool pictures and a great story!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are to help guide the reader in finding out little bit more of who Jack is behind the madness, but I could be totally wrong.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
It sounds like she was one of the few run aways that got to meet the illistrator so I dont feel like he had and sinister feelings when she was young just the connection of meeting once prior.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with this, although I can't think offhand of which books have done this. I do learn things from books as well, and that changes me too.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
The City of Secondhand was pretty cool, although sad since it seemed neglected. Since Jack was aware of Markham, I wondered if it was some kind of a test.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Not really.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
Well, I've finished the book, so I already know. At the time, I realized that it wasn't going to be a slam dunk for Lucy and she might even lose.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
The book said he did contact the authorities. And his letter gave the girl some hope, although it ended tragically. I did wonder how a letter got to her in her situation, though.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
Not really.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I do believe books have this power. Even if it's not a specific book, sometimes just reading give you an escape from the real world for a little slice of time.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think so. Giving up on one dream can allow room for another dream to take it's place.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I wasn't surprised - we each have our own perspective on events. I hope I would be able to forgive.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I didn't notice that and I have no idea.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I'm happy with it. I didn't really have any expectations.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I think she still has a chance but I bet she beats herself up a bit about it! Shes got alot riding on this win. For fears going idk i want to say its addressing her parents and sister and having to tell them how they made her feel growing up.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
I would definatly have called CPS as well. So sad for Jack and how dare those parents! That poor girl though, did not see that twist coming.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I was suspicious there was a reason, he was way to open to help other kids in need. It just makes me like him and want to visit the island even more. Why cant these be real stories and a real place lol.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I do think books can help you! I think they can transport you to a different place, somewhere safe and happy if you feel otherwise. I dont think any particular book has impacted my life but there are ones that i will never forget and i remember exactly how i felt when i was readying them.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I'm not sure I can think of one book off-hand that has defined my life or anything, apart from the Bible, but I absolutely agree that reading in general moves, touches, speaks to, and changes me. And I certainly have my favorites.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No, but I didn't bother thinking about it too hard and just kept reading. I figured it out once she started thinking about Kari vs. Carrie.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Honestly, I keep thinking of the island from Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None, so I've had to tamp down a lot of sinister vibes while reading. 🤣 But I think he's either just a sleezy lawyer or a plant like Slugworth in Willy Wonka.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Not really.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Well, he did say, "Someone will bring dinner up to you," or something like that. Maybe she expected there to be house staff, or maybe she was just joking with him.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
Lucy will still have a chance at winning. I think she will have to face her relationship with her sister as it has been brought up multiple times.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
I would have been in shock and devastated knowing that a child was so desperate for help she risked her life and lost it just to get to a place she considered safe. I can understand why Jack stopped writing for so long.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
No, I doesn’t change my opinion about Jack. It links in to why he wanted to help the kids.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
Yes, (as per Q10 DQ Day3) I agree that books do affect us. I have read books that have spoken to me and have helped me comprehend moments from my life.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think it’s more the relief of giving up the pressure and desire that comes alone with the dream, not the dream itself.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I was surprised that Angie was so empathetic towards Lucy. Too be able to see her side despite having gone through so much herself. I would absolutely forgive Angie but it would take time to get over the resentful feelings.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
It could be left open as an opportunity for a future book.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I was happy with how it wrapped up. If was nice to read something hopeful and had nostalgic vibes to the kind of books a read as a kid/early teenager.
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Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy at first felt optimistic but I fear she was about to turn fatalistic - but we'll see. She does seem to be full of love and kindness for those around her, though still a bit bitter about her upbringing. Christopher is just a sweet young boy trying to survive tragedy. Hugo, not sure. He seems to want to move forward but is afraid to.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I think some tragedy happened that didn't necessarily affect that physical island but profoundly affected Jack and Hugo such that the fictional Clock Island was, as he said, brought low. I haven't figured out the riddle but there could be a sister to one of them: that sister could be someone else's wife and a mother to a daughter herself.
Or they could blame the isolation of the island (surrounded by water) for not having those things in their life - a wife and a daughter.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it can be true but depends on the individual - people are driven to success by different things. I could see that if striving for a certain standard of living is the only thing that might drive you, then once achieved, you may no longer care about what you once wanted.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I thought it was a good way for both of them to not lose hope that they could get where they wanted. I think Lucy is letting the social worker get to her - but I also think she probably could do more to change her circumstances even if it meant sacrificing some time with Christopher in the short term.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Since this is a book where magic can be real, then I think Lucy and Christopher's wish affected Jack's desire to write. And there appears to be some sort of history between Lucy and Jack, so possibly the contest is how Jack is trying to reach out to Lucy.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy - effective with Christopher, so competent, friendly | Christopher - I feel sorry for this child…he’s been through so much | Hugo - seems talented, seems at the end of his patience with Jack.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Im terrible at riddles. My guess it’s all tied together…involves secrets.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think people react differently to circumstances…depends on the filters and experiences we’re coming from. I also believe that once we’ve fulfilled our dreams, new goals/dreams take their place…my guess this is likely what’s happened to Jack.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I don’t think it’s terrible but Christopher is so young…it could be dangerous if they don’t get their wish. There’s nothing wrong with having hopes and dreams and with Christopher having lost his family, my guess is the wishing takes his mind off their deaths.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
My best guess is that he’s made a serious decision and this unique venture will be the catalyst for acting on his choice to write his book.
Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Christopher seems like a sweet kid and I feel sorry for him. Lucy is completely deranged - her behavior towards Christopher is best case unprofessional, if not creepy and horrifying. What the actual hell is wrong with her. Hugo hasn’t exactly endeared me to himself so far, either.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
No speculation, the first few chapters were kind of confusing and since I think this book is horribly bad so far, I have absolutely zero inclination to invest even another second and go back to try to understand.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I’m sure for some people it does, but not for me. Also, it’s possible for your dreams and goals to change, and once you’ve reached a certain point in life you don’t need that idealized version of what you thought you wanted anymore.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think Lucy’s relationship with Christopher is appalling and completely inappropriate, plus she’s completely delusional. The social worker is the only person in this book with a brain so far.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
No clue, but I don’t like it.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
So far I find them all very sympathetic and interesting. Hugo obviously seems a bit sour, but I feel like there's a good backstory as to why he is that way (I'm a romance reader and there's always a reason). And Lucy and Christopher are just adorable.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I do feel like they are related but I don't really know how. And riddles are not my thing at all, but I'd guess it brought an end to some relationships?
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Motivation becomes much more internal after you are successful to a point where you can afford a comfortable lifestyle, so I'd say it would depend on the person.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think at that age, in normal circumstances it's not a bad game to play. In Christopher's situation I can see where it would be dangerous.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I don't know why he's writing again, but I'm assuming he's trying to get Lucy back to the island for some reason.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I can’t say that I would have run away…perhaps if I lived close, I would have given it a try, Jacks writing and his books obviously connected with children.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find the idea of this island story very original and thus pretty fascinating actually.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
im listening and am still patiently waiting on the library que so I can go back and read the excerpts. I’m pretty sure they tie to the current story at hand.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I definitely approve…the idea of two souls such as Hugo and Lucy finding each other and having a HEA would be great. Do we suppose Jack is matchmaking here?
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought his letter validated her feelings, which was good. But in hindsight, he probably didn't consider that she would take him literally and try to come be his sidekick! I don't know - it's hard to place myself in her shoes. I've never felt as she did, so I can't say that I would or wouldn't have run away from home. But I think any child who felt that profoundly unloved and were offered a chance to mean something to someone, it would be tempting to go.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think the island sounds fun and interesting - but then I grew up loving the barrier islands off the coast of Georgia (in the US) and so am predisposed to find it interesting. Plus I've always wanted to visit the New England coast.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I do think they are important - I think they may give insight as to what one or some of the characters might be thinking at a particular time of their life or how they might have been influenced by Jack's books during that part of the story.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I kind of expect there to be some sort of connection considering the book is tagged romance. I have no problem that she was a child when they met - based on the account thus far, there was nothing improper about either one's behavior during that first meet.
DQs Day 3, Chapters 12 - 17:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I definitely agree. A few of the books that really touched me/made me think...and that I highly recommend!
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I didn't guess it at all! I thought it was pretty hard and I'm not sure she would have figured it out if it weren't for her recent interaction with Christopher.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Pretty sleezy...I'm guessing this isn't the end of the peril. It's likely to ramp up as the story moves forward.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
It's interesting how Hugo keeps referring to them as children. I expect that's the real challenge...for the adults to not take things so seriously, not to stop wishing and dreaming.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
I don't understand the reference for either of these questions.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think he was just trying to make a lonely little girl feel better about herself and her life. He probably never dreamed that Lucy (or any of the kids!) would turn up on his doorstep! I, myself, was a huge chicken & would never have run away from home!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find the whole idea fascinating and would love to visit Clock Island!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think the quotes do have meaning. Just what the meaning(s) is / are
remain to be seen.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Age difference doesn’t matter as much once you’re an adult. So the chemistry is great. Maybe he can help her win the game!
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I liked his letter to Lucy, and I feel like it gives an extra look into Jack's personality and how he must have his own past as a child that makes him want to help other children not feel so alone. I was not the type of kid to have thoughts of running away from home (even when I myself might have felt lonely), so that's not something I could ever see myself doing!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Of course! It sounds like a fairytale type of place to me with some mystery thrown in. I would have loved to visit that as a child or now as an adut.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I do think they're important aspects to include in the book and helps give an idea of what Lucy and other kids were reading about as children and why they connected with it, and it also gives a deeper look at possibly Jack's own history or what he's trying to convey through his stories.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
It gives me a bit of a sour feeling thinking about them meeting when Lucy was just thirteen. Obviously he had no interest in her at that age, which I'm glad about, but it's still weird having flashbacks to what she was like at 13 and then finding her attractive now. I don't mind the age gap in general, but it does add a weirdness having met before and she was infatuated with him.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
hmmm...I think the author wants us to think her fear is losing Christopher...but I'm not sure that's right. I'm guessing it has something to do with her confidence or un/ability to lean on others for help...but that's a guess. I'm hopeful she'll win...but I'm thinking she doesn't really need to adopt Christopher. I think it'll all work out no matter what.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
It's unfortunate how people can blame others for their short-comings. The world would be a better place if people would take responsibility and/or be more accepting of those who are just trying to help. Unfortunately we live in a greedy society. So sad.
I'm pretty sure I would have done the same thing Jack did.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
Not really. I suspected he was gay or had a disability or something that was societal adverse going on.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I didn't grow up in a family that valued books...that came much later in life. I do think books have power...but the real power is the people who know how and take the time to share books with others...knowing just what they might need.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I dislike Lucy with passion. She is very childish and I find the way she relates to Christopher to be extremely uncomfortable and inappropriate, especially in a school setting. When she meet with the social worker, she seemed like a petulant child not getting her way. I liked Hugo and was hopeful that I would continue to like him as the book progressed.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead? I have finished the book at this point, but at the time I did not know or really speculate what it could mean. I did feel like it had to be related to why Hugo was still taking care of Jack all these years later.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I am sure a lot of people go through a similar thing were once they can actually afford something or to be able to do something, it no longer holds the same appeal.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up and since it seems like both Christopher and Lucy are really fragile people the disappoint of not getting their wish may impact them greatly for different reasons.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Since I have finished the book, I already know why he started to write again, so I won't give it away.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I have many quotes and books that impacted me on some level. It's why I love reading so much because words are so powerful.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Almost. Think I got it at the same time as her.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I did not think much of him showing up and given I have finished the book, it ended up being a non factor to the overall story. I wish this book had more to do with the magical setting on Clock Island. Seeing City of Secondhand briefly had me curious of other parts of the island.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes because the way the author writes them is not flattering and they quite frankly act like children.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
This conversation impacted me greatly as there have been a few dreams I have been "hanging on to" that I know realistically are not going to happen, so giving up would provide relief and I can focus on more realistic goals.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I can understand as a child Lucy having these type of feelings toward her sister and what her sister said. Now that she is an adult, her feelings feel misplaced and I personally think that anger she be directed to her parents. This particular story line felt rushed and having her sister now dying of cancer (too little too late/ life is short) was a choice by the author.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I really did not give it much thought as I was reading the 3 months later as I truly wanted to be finished with this book.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I figured it would be nicely wrapped up since this is definitely a feel good story. There were parts of this book that I did enjoy, but the characters were exhausting and I did not like many of the relationships as they were portrayed. I felt like I was reading a middle grade/ya novel and I did not think that would be the vibe.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Christopher a decent kid whose has a rough start
Lucy a sweet teacher assistant for kindergarten, had not the best childhood and is still dealing with this trauma
Hugo up coming artist, his confidence is growing
Jack eccentric writer, kind hearted, champion for kids with problems
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Yes, its a clue to the story ahead I'm sure. a woman must have drowned at some point in the past.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Its human nature to want what you haven't got. His dream of living on the island was obviously behind his motivation for his work, he needs to find a new passion.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Its always good to have a vision to work towards otherwise your just plodding along and dreams probably wont be achieved.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think he wants a connection to the children that have come into his life.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think it can be wise to give up...especially if the dream is unrealistic or cruel.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I wasn't surprised...but sometimes with regret comes forgiveness. It's nice to see the sisters could reunite. I think I could have forgiven her if she was contrite, which I think she really was.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I wondered if there might be another book in the works.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I thought it ended well...I love a happy ending!
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DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I absolutely agree with that quote. I can't say that there has been anyone book that I can point to and say "that's when I became..." but I believe reading has shaped my life and given me perspectives I wouldn't otherwise have or considered.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No. Of course not!
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
At first, I thought it might be a test. But after they made tightened up security, I feel like he was just a sleazy lawyer.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, not really. I feel like their reactions are adult reactions, especially as they work through the riddles and have to remind themselves (or at least Lucy does to herself) that the games and riddles would be simple enough for children and it's their adult selves who are over-thinking them.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I think Lucy was buying into the notion (possibly from her time with Sean) that famous/rich people had staff to do those things for themselves. She was kind of judging Hugo and maybe Jack a little too on her own bad experiences maybe.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Ohhh, missed that backroom book - now I want to go read it!
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
It shakes her confidence but she will get persevere. I do think she wins, at least wins what she needs to get Christopher even if it isn't actually the book.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
I don't think there is much else he could do with these letters other than turn them over to authorities. I do think he needs to be (or should have been) more careful about what he says in his replies so that he is supportive but doesn't give them the idea he wants them to come to the island. Maybe secretly he does which is why he fell into such a funk, but I think he learned his lesson there.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
It's interesting back history and makes Jack less 2-dimensional, but it doesn't really alter how I feel about him.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I do believe books, stories can help a person through a live event. Have I had one particular book do that? Not really but I also have led a fairly safe life - but there have been times when I couldn't or didn't want to face reality and books were always there to help me through until I was ready to stop hiding.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I love the dynamics between Lucy and Christopher. They’re adorable together, and it’s quite clear that Lucy really loves him. Hugo didn’t make an impression. I can’t wait to know what the response from Jack was to Lucy’s last letter.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I don’t remember this statement. Probably missed it.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I disagree. Motivation comes from ambition. An ambitious person would never stop at their first milestone.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
It isn’t unhealthy. I think hopes are just dreams you dream when you’re awake. What’s wrong with that?
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think he’s dying or something equally sad. As for the contest, perhaps a dying man’s wish for attention?
Day 2 Chapter 6 - 11
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I wouldn’t have run away but that’s not a fair comparison. His letter was everything a child desperate for love needed.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Fascinating for sure. I love Victorian mansions, and I would thoroughly enjoy exploring the island.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think it’s a part of showing us his books, I don’t see how they would fit in the story. Unless the contest is somehow related? We shall see.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child
Of course! And of course!
Day 3 chapter 12-17
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I mostly read fiction, so I can’t say I have.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Absolutely. And I’m getting a little tired of Lucy’s “smartness”. Come on!
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
It’s weird that he was able to get to her room to slide the note under her door. I suspect this is one of Jack’s challenges, to judge everyone’s real intentions with the book and the game.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes, because most of them are acting quite immature for their age.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I do think there is truth to the idea. Holding a dream, especially one that might be very difficult or almost impossible to attain, can add stress to a person's life, even if they don't realize it. And sometimes our lives change and our wants change but we're taught that we should hold tight to our dreams... but dreams can change or we can outgrow them. Allowing yourself to acknowledge that can be a huge relief.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I am not surprised that she felt as alienated and as hurt as Lucy. It seems in that situation, the favored child will either grow up to be unbearable or will seek to get out of the alienating situation of being the favored. Lucy needs to forgive Angie for her own sake, just as Angie needed to ask it for herself.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I don't know that this even pinged on my radar. Not sure that a name even matters at this point. It just seemed part of the conversation and not a thing.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I'm pretty happy with the way it ended. Because I'm romance reader at heart, maybe I wished there was a bit more on how Lucy and Hugo move forward, but I'm still good with the hint that implication they will be together. I'd love a peak into the future to see how Christopher thrives (hopefully) on Clock Island and what happens with all of them.
DQs Day 3, Chapters 12 - 17:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with that quote. Books can open our eyes (whether we notice it or not) to different ideas, perspectives, and the complexities of life. I don't have one book in particular that has changed me, but overall the books I read almost all have probably had a little bit of an impact on me growing as a person - whether that's seeing myself in another character and acknolwedging my own flaws or communication style or if it's just something that I want to replicate in my own life, I think there are countless times I probably don't realize I'm learning things from my books and applying them to my own subconscious mind.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes, I guess this one right away! To be fair though, it was a riddle my coworkers and I had heard a few years ago, and I'm pretty sure it took me a LOT longer to guess the riddle then. It especially helps seeing the words written out, so it's easier to connect the dots. I think hearing it explained out loud was harder for my brain to comprehend.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I liked that there were more things from Jack's books that are popping up in real life on the island. I think there's probably more to Markham than just being a lawyer (maybe he knew Jack??), but overall I felt like it was odd for such a secluded place to randomly have a lawyer popping up and sending notes under people's doors without being noticed.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I don't necessarily view them as all children still, but they definitely seem barely 20s vs some of them being 30+?
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote?
Yes.
Are there any books that changed you personally?
Not sure about Changed, there are definitely books that stay with me that I either remember from my childhood or have touched me.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did? No
12. What did you think of The City of Second-hand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
How did he get there? it does seem a bit strange if your not supposed to be able to reach the island without permission.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No a lot of adults are into kids books like Harry Potter so it doesn't seem that strange
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I'm cautious by nature, so I would have probably wanted another letter or two. :) But I can understand why Lucy is so eager to get away from home and have someone who will talk to her.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?It's cute, but it wouldn't necessarily make a special trip to see it. It would be a nice hook if it was trying to be a tourist spot, because there are definitely others that would.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else? Probably, but to be honest I haven't really been paying attention to them. I'll go back and read them now.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child? I agree. And I don't have an issue with it as she's not a child now.
DQ 2 6 - 11District 2
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I like to think yes, I would run away but I don’t know if I would have been brave enough to actually go through with it. But yeah, let’s just say yes! What an adventure!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Oh, I find the idea of a clock island enchanting! I love taking the concept of time and reframing it as a location. It’s dreamy and whimsical and full of mysteries yet to be discovered. I love it!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work?
I think these parts give us a taste of Jack’s allure. I like them and I think they help bring depth to the story.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I approve of it, although I’m still struggling to get a real hold on Lucy. Her personality isn’t firmly described so I’m hoping we get more of what she’s about. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a younger person dating an older or vice versa as long as both parties want the relationship.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Is it wrong to find Hugo and Jack more interesting than Lucy and Christopher? Lucy and Christopher are very sympathetic characters, but to this point, Hugo and the mytery of Jack are more compelling.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Er...maybe? Probably? And I have no idea what it's supposed to mean, but that's fine by me. Riddles seem to be Jack's thing.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think success certainly can kill some types of motivation, but I think it can also simply bring about different desires. Hugo actually thinks: "Maybe he'd simply outgrown that old dream and hadn't found a new dream to replace it yet."
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
This is a tricky question. Optimism and dreams are important, and who wants to live without hope? Is it possible to be hurt by unfulfilled wishes? Sure - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make them.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I have no idea, but I'm looking forward to finding out!
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I totally agree with it! There are so many books that changed me in innumerable ways! (Feel free to check out my 5-Star Reads shelf) The Joy Luck Club, The Clan of the Cave Bear, Gone with the Wind, To Kill a Mockingbird…. I could go on and on!
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No, I don’t care for riddles too much. I remember thinking it was like the Rocketship Game we used to play as kids…
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
The City was sad, really. I hope he’s just a sleazy lawyer! But how would he gain access to Clock Island. So I’m expecting the sinister. Glad Dustin is getting the boot, though!
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No. It’s funny that Mastermind calls them kids! Lucy is the most childlike of all of them!
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Well, in a mansion, you really expect for there to be staff available to wait on everyone. Hugo just wanted to spend more time with Lucy!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy seems very much a product of her generation - trying desperately and going between hope and hopelessness. I desperately want Christopher to get his wishes, and I like Hugo. He seems like a sidekick figure - a loyal supporter of Jack.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Definitely related. I think Jack lost someone extremely important to him and consequently stopped writing.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
No, I don't think success kills motivation. As a starter in any field, you desperately want to be accepted and to reach a certain height; by the time you get there, you've grown as an individual and realise that you don't want the same things that the others do. Personally, I see it as a sign of growth and maturity.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I want to say it gives them hope, but in the face of Lucy's challenges being laid out the way they were, it does feel like it's giving them false hopes.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think this is a goodbye from Jack.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
Her fear is that she may not win and may lose Christopher. I do think she has a chance still but is does knock her confidence.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
Not sure he could have done much differently as he has to be careful with young children on his own in fear that he may get a name or blame as a paedophile. I really don't know how I would react until I was actually in that circumstance as there are so may things to consider his feelings, if he blames himself, his reputation and wether he could have prevented it somehow.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
It just makes him easier to identify with and more real as a person instead of a wizard of Oz or Willy Wonka character.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think the books give the children something to dream or hope for and gives them a break from reality which can help if your having a hard time. I read a lot when I was young not sure if I remember any for any events in may life like I do music but I do recall having a connection with the The Ancient Solitary Reign
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Definitely yes - there have been books that have had an impact on me as a person and has shaped my views and opinions.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did guess it when she started listing out all the words - Picasso, books, etc., so quite close to when she did.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I was just very confused by Markham. The City of Secondhand felt a bit like an abandoned theme park - fun to see in real life, but not at two in the morning.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes, I do.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I certainly have never felt relief in giving up a dream. Regrets or nostalgia, yes, but never relief.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
Angie's story is quite intense; I think I would have been able to forgive her over time to let that resentment die away in the face of this new information.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Clock Island Something or Masterminded, maybe.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
It wrapped up nicely with a bow tied around it. No complaints.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I do still think she has a chance to win, especially since I think the last game will basically be enough points for whoever wins that to be the overall winner, but I do think it brings you down a lot when you start off strong and then realiez you're all still on the same playing field. Knowing Jack said something about someone arriving to the island, I imagine her sister may be there to be her biggest fear - I've been wondering if her sister has grown up and felt bad about how things have been for Lucy in the past and will be ready to acknowledge that. I can't imagine it being her parents coming to the island, but I could be wrong!
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
That is a truly terrifying situation all around. I'm not sure what else he could have done exactly other than choosing his words more carefully and potentially traveling to where the child lived to talk to authorities there - or maybe her mother?
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I can't say my opinion changed much as I imagined that Jack had his own tough childhood which is why he was writing children books the way he did and he has a definite soft spot for children who are struggling or in abusive/neglectful homes.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I remember really connecting with childrens stories while I was growing up and putting myself in the shoes of the boys and girls that were getting to go on these magical adventures. I think books have the power to help in so many ways from giving people an escape from their own reality to giving people hope or ideas on how they want to live their lives going forward - sometimes it's just a hard balance coming back to reality.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
If I were in Lucy's situation? Perhaps. Jack's letter was, perhaps, too kind, but he couldn't really expect Lucy to show up on his doorstep. And Lucy clearly needed some kindness…..
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I love the idea of the island! What's not to like? I think it would be a very fun place to visit.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Hmmmm. I can't imagine that the excerpts from Jack's books are there simply to show off Jack's work - that would be a waste. I'm sure there are links that will become clearer later.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I think the eventual development of a romantic relationship between Hugo and Lucy was pretty clear from the beginning. I do not have an issue with a relationship between two adults where one was a child when they first met. Hugo clearly had zero interest in Lucy (beyond a concern for her situation) so there is definitely nothing untoward in their budding romance. At least in my opinion. :)
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
There certainly have been individual books that have had a tremendous impact on me - althoug I'm not certain that I could point to a specific book that changed my life. On the other hand, the collective effect of my book reading habit has without question shaped aspects of my life.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did. I think we had an advantage as readers - I don't know that I would have gotten the answer anywhere near as quickly had I not seen the words written down.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
It crossed my mind that he might be a plant, but with Hugo having been approached by the same man, I doubt that. I don't think there's anything more sinister involved. I don't there there are enough pages left in the book to spring something like that on us.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, actually - that's not an issue for me at all. Did you, Sammy?
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
No idea....
I wish I had DNFd this on page 10 but now I’m committed. DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 11
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I don’t think much of Jack and unlike Lucy, I have a brain, and had one at even 13 years old, so I would not have run away.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The clock sectioning of the island is the only interesting thing that is even slightly interesting so far and even that I mostly find cringe.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
It feels like we’re supposed to find parallels between his books and Lucy’s story, but they’re not giving me much. This book is so tedious to read because it’s so bad on every level.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Oh yeah for sure and it’s just as bad as everything else about the book. I hate both of them, so maybe they do deserve each other. Their “banter” has been painful to read. “Offensive, but not inaccurate” you might say. (I gagged when I had to read that.)
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I think it can change us, but also I can't think of anything specific. To me it's more the accumulated things you learn, perspectives you get to explore... and some enlighten you more than others, some you can immediately tell and others it takes a while.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yeah the moment the coffee/tea thing happened I knew what the riddle wanted (and I didn't even properly read the original riddle as I don't really like reading this kind of stuff). I feel like I remember this one from somewhere. I had vague hopes for something clever but all the "riddles" and things have been ridiculous so far.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I dislike this book so much I wish there was a murder plot going on because then at least there would be something interesting about it other than childish adults participating in childish (mind) games. But yeah, I think he's just a sleezy lawyer.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yeah, everyone behaves like they're a child. Grow up Lucy, your parents didn't abandon you, you're just being stupid.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Not the only thing that is weird about this book because it just seems to be overall badly and lazily written 🙃
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
I didn't even think about that but man that scene was SO weird 😭
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I wish she’d have to face and accept that she’s completely incapable of caring for a child in any way, because she is not. Maybe she has to face Angie, that would make sense.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
Yeah the way he tried to help was uhm, not very conducive. Telling her to come to him? Yikes! But it seems like nobody in this book can see any red flags until it’s too late.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
It pretty much has turned him into the only character I think is sort of interesting. There could’ve been a good story there, him on the island, maybe Hugo figuring himself out. But instead we get this absolute atrocity of a book we have.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think they can help you but ultimately fiction won’t save you (and I feel like that should be one of the morals of this story but also I think the author is terrible at what they do so I’m not optimistic).
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think this is a very good observation and definitely true in many cases. Sometimes our dreams may be too unrealistic or put more weight on our shoulders than we even realize, and it can be a relief to just live in the moment and do what we can to enjoy our lives without putting expectations on ourselves of how things should be or how we want them to be.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I had a feeling there was probably going to be a reconciliation and a backstory to Angie acting the way she did when she was technically a child at the time of their big falling out, too. I would forgive someone in that situation as you can tell she has done the work through therapy to realize where she went wrong and why it was so difficult for her growing up trying to keep her parents attention, too. I do wish she would have focused a little more on Lucy than on her own trauma (just in the sense of explaining her mean words) but I can understand that.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I feel like I missed this somehow.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I enjoyed how the book ended, and I was smiling so much during the last couple of chapters. I kind of assumed going into it that Jack was looking for someone to live on Clock Island since he may not be there forever, but I wasn't really expecting him to be trying to get Hugo to stay as well through brining Lucy - I didn't love that aspect 100%, I would have liked it better if Hugo chose to stay and Jack was surprised, but I guess it's more realistic that Jack had his hand in it, too. While the book definitely feels a little bit "too" happy in the end with everything falling so perfectly into place, I can't say I minded it because I do love a good happy ending to a story!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like Lucy and Christopher is adorable. Not sure about the rest of the characters yet.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I am not sure
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Everyone is different. That makes their motivation different. I think once you meet one goal another one replaces it so success doesn't play into it.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think if explained properly this game can give a child hope. You have to tell the child that it is possible that they won't get what they wish for. That dreams and hopes are a healthy thing in life but being realizing that not every dream and wish comes true is also a part of life.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I am not sure but I do like the Willy Wonka theory that others are floating on here. I am looking forward to the answer.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
It was an interesting response but there was no way he could have known that Lucy would show up at his house. Personally, I probably wouldn't have gone to his house. People are not always who they seem to be.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The island does seem to be pretty cool. I do find it kind of fascinating.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are important. I am waiting to see how they tie in to the story.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Why not? They are both adults now. As long as both parties consent.
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Lucy- She is a very kind person with a past that has made her as such. I love that she makes a point to be there for Christopher who is clearly struggling at such a young age. I am curious why this kid though, I assume we wind out later.
Christopher- Sad. I feel sad for this little boy! He is going through alot and just trying to over come.
Hugo-Seems like someone that dreams big but doesnt act on anything.
Jack- He seems lost or looking for somthing to have put his writing on hold for 5 yrs. It's like he's trying to work through something.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
IDK yet but love a good riddle!
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
It's common to THINK you want things and then when you get them you realize they are not all they were cracked up to be.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I see both sides but the kid is 7 and to accept the worst at 7 is very determental to a childs development. Let him hope for things while he can.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
This feels like a Willy Wonka situation.