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The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - June 2024 Theme BOM - GAMES (starts 16 Jun)
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like Lucy, and love Christopher. I am wondering how far into his background they will go. Hugo seems like a loveable curmudgeon. Not sure what to think of Jack yet, seems a bit eccentric especially with the new contents.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I really did not think about this when I read it but I’d have to guess that it does. I have no idea what it means. Can’t even guess yet.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it depends on what motivated you to be successful in the first place. If you are working hard to have nice things, then yes, this could be true once you've gotten the things you want.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I like the wishing game. I do not get the idea that either of them really believe that the wishes will come true. Christopher is very smart and seems to have had a tough time in his young lifetime so I think it gives them hope.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Hard to say why he started writing again, I am hoping there is a bit of magic involved and it really does have something to do with the wishing game. I think he knows exactly who should get the only copy but doesn’t want to just hand it over.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I agree with this. Some books inspire you or give you a new perspective on things. I read Skye O'Malley when I was younger and I loved how strong and independent she was. That no matter what knocked her down in life, she got back up and kept moving forward in her life. I wanted my daughter to be strong and independent like that. I actually named my daughter Skye.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No, but I did figure it out after she did.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
He could be. Again, we have Wonka vibes happening. He could be the author's version of Slugworth but then again maybe not. They did just send Dustin home for trying to manipulate her into working together to cash in on Markham's deal.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, but Jack does. He still thinks of them as kids.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner?
Maybe she thought it was beneath him.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes?
eyeroll... of course, you had to go there. We can talk about the Hot Prof and Daisy when we are reading one of those books. We are reading this book today. I will gladly read one of those books in the backroom if you nominate it. Silly people!
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
She still has a chance. There are still other riddles and games. I am curious as to how Jack is gonna make them face their fears.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
He couldn't have known she would jump into the water. He has a kind heart. He only wanted to help that poor girl. He takes everything so hard but I can't say it wouldn't break my heart as well.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
No, I think it just explains his behavior more and gives us more background.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I firmly believe books have that power. Sometimes the right book can help you through the worst of times. Or if you are feeling down and you read a humorous book it can lift your spirits. Books can do so much for your psyche.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think giving up on a dream can be hard and painful. I wouldn't think it would bring relief but everyone is different so maybe.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
It shows you that sometimes your perceptions about what another person is going through may be different than what you think. This is why talking through grievances is always the best policy instead of letting them fester.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Maybe something about wishes since he is always talking about them.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I was quite happy with the ending. It was an interesting books. The only loose end was the strange guy that offered to buy the book from Lucy. He left and there was no explanation about what his real intentions were.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think it was sweet of him to reply back to her at all. I’m not sure I would have replied in the same way.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I’d love to visit this island. Sounds like a theme park. Since book games I keep making Hunger Game connections, this is certainly like the arena, but much more pleasant.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I’m sure they are important. Hopefully by the end I’ll get it but I’m really not paying much attention to them right now.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
They are both adults now, so why not? She was obviously attracted to him at 13 but there is no mention of that being reciprocated from him when she was a child so it doesn’t bother me. I do hope that if a love story starts it doesn’t distract from the rest of the story, I’m really enjoying it so far and a romance line is not always necessary.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I think this can certainly be true. I think it is more true when you are young and impressionable, as we age we tend to get more stuck in our ways. I think Number the Stars was a big one for me when I was a kid. First time I had read anything that was completely different from anything I had experienced personally and from a girl around my own age. Same with Go Ask Alice when I was a teenager. Don’t know if they changed me personally but definitely opened my mind.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not. I am terrible at riddles!
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I am kind of thinking that this is one of the side tests, like asking the driver’s name.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, I’m able to keep a hold that they are adults. I think its much more interesting this way. The lure of the money associated with the book comes more into play.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I do agree with that, yes. Sometimes dreams aren’t actually our dreams anymore, but just something we think we can’t let go off as that would just be failing - as if priorities and desires can’t change in life along with you!
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I honestly wasn’t surprised - Lucy was so irrationally stupid and childish about this whole situation and I’m glad Angie got her moment of redemption. If I were Lucy, I’d have realized ages ago that it’s not my sister’s fault that my parents are shitty, and I also would’ve appreciated my grandparents for how they stepped up and not been such a dumb cow about the parents only.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Because the author couldn’t think of one. Easy trick!
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I’m so happy it was finally over since I thought it was utter crap from start to finish. Bad writing, bad plot, horrible, delusional characters. The way Lucy thought about Christopher raises a million red flags, it’s not cute or caring or anything. She’s being a creep. I also think it’s extremely lazy of the author to ignore the realities of the foster and adoption system at the end to just quickly give them a happy ending. Ridiculous. I really disliked this book.
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DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I think that's probably a fair quote. Although I say that and then can't think of an example of something that moved me to the point that I felt changed. Maybe its more a subtle change.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did? Yes, but I feel like I've seen a variation of this riddle somewhere before.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on? I mean, I think he's a sleazy lawyer and it wouldn't surprise me if something worse was going on. I think it's probably to be expected in situations like this.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children? I've seen a lot of people say that, but they seem adultish to me. Maybe they come across as childlike since they are revisiting things from their childhood. Although I still don't get Lucy.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
Well, we already saw that it rattled her and made her start doubting her abilities, despite the game being practically tied up. But since the final game is worth half the points, it's still anyone's game for sure. As for her fear, my guess is that it will have something to do with her sister.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
That part was terrible. How awful to have to read so many of those kinds of letters and not be able to do anything to help. I'm not sure what else he could have done, since he did give the letter to the police. The only thing he could have done differently was not saying what he said to the girl over the phone, but it was heartfelt and he had no idea how it would turn out. Just sad all around.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I already liked Jack, so it didn't change my opinion of him. If I thought any of his actions were perhaps irresponsible, those do make more sense now.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I do believe books are powerful, especially books we read as children. They can help us escape from our real-life troubles and open our eyes and imaginations to new worlds. They can help us feel less lonely.
We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?Lucy seems like a bit of a disaster. Christopher is cute but I'm struggling with him being five years old. Hugo seems to be complex, he is interesting to me. With Jack it seems that we're just meeting the image of Jack. I'm interested to see what he's like further on.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I was so confused about this part, whether it was a flash back or a segment of a book or something else.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think in a lot of ways success does kill motivation. Partly because in the process of becoming successful you change and what you want changes. And partly because I think we always want something we can't have.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I like the wishing game. I think it's just playing imagining with kids. It can go either way, but I think teaching kids to dream is overall good.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think he was struggling with something and sees this as a way to snap out of it.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I definitely think giving up on a dream CAN be a relief, especially if it’s something you’ve dreamed of in childhood. In all likelihood we’ll never be princesses, astronauts or president. Not ever. But in elementary school they tell us we can be whatever we want. As adults we realize some dreams can never come true, as sad as that may be.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I wasn’t surprised at all. Their parents were the screwed up ones, not the sisters. There are three sides to every story: yours, mine and the Truth. I would totally forgive her. I’m an only child, and generally glad of it, BUT there would have been times that I would’ve been glad to have a sister.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Not sure there. Maybe something with Clock Island in the name? It was a grand gesture and a wonderful thought, though.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
Nope. I loved the ending. Jack the Mastermind came through for all his kids! So wonderful that Hugo & Lucy fell in love, too! Happily ever after all around!!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
good start, interesting set of characters, especially Lucy’s situation and perspective
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Not familiar with this riddle, so I’m expecting it is relevant to the plot
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
maybe it is less that success kills motivation, and more a case of changing priorities as one grows older
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
did not like this idea, especially in context of a young traumatised boy, building up a false hope that could be devastating if not delivered
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
seems he has a particular set of participants in mind and maybe wants to right some previous wrong
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I’m sure she will continue to be her virtuous self and catch the breaks, seems most likely she will win in the way that matters most to her, fear must be family-related
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
really did not like the dependency being built and the seeming willingness of Jack to portray himself as potential saviour for very vulnerable children, especially as pattern of them fleeing home and trying to reach the island is established
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
Still not a Jack fan
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island, but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
Yes, books can be transformative, nothing personally for me
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
sure, in the adult world, realism needed
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
only surprise here was how long Lucy had held onto her hatred for sister, whose main crime was being very ill as a child, ongoing lack of empathy from Lucy.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
did not pick up on this, not sure of the significance.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
everyone got what they needed, if not what they thought they wanted
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like all the characters we've met so far, although I'm not sure I agree with how Lucy is acting with Christopher. I get she wants to adopt him, but it seems like it's probably not a good idea to give a newly orphaned kid a parental relationship that you're not certain you can maintain...
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I definitely think the two are related, but I have zero speculation!
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I can see how it can be true, but it's a very privileged take. I think it's easy to say when you've got a lot, but for most it would not be true at all.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
As I said in question 1, I don't think this is a healthy relationship at all. Christopher obviously lost his family in a traumatic way and I don't think Lucy should be acting like a parent before she is one so that he doesn't lose another family.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
This is called "The Wishing Game" and is MPG Fantasy, so maybe Christopher's wish brought to life!
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought it was a sweet letter at first, but I think Hugo made a good point too that you can't expect kids to know that you're exaggerating. I wouldn't have done the same, because I was a little rule follower, but maybe if my life was as hard as Lucy's I would have.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think it's interesting and would like to visit!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they're important to set up the fantasy world that Lucy and Christopher know
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child
I agree. i think it's fine since Hugo never had any power over Lucy and it's not like they kept in contact.
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I think it changes us if we let it. I've watched plenty of movies and cried my eyes out but I don't think it changed me. On the other hand, I think something has to move/touch or speak to us to even begin to change us.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I thought it was a play on words but kept getting distracted with what it could be.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
How did he get on the island?! I thought they kept an eye on the ferry and knew who got on or off. I assume it's a private ferry since it's a private island. Or maybe he had someone drop him on the island. But in Maine it's not like the coast is going to be friendly to just boating up and having someone jump out.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I think the adults are generally adults. Except for Lucy who is irritatingly a bit much in every way and some comes across as more teen then child or adult.
18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?I think if it's one you are working on and want to take the pressure off yes. If it's the ideal dreams you have because you're in a boring meeting or whatever-that's what keeps you going.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I have 5 siblings, you say crazy things. Mean things. And then you fight it out and carry on. Maybe you don't send them a Christmas present, but the reaction seems over the top.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I didn't think there's anything major about it.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I think Lucy getting the house was a bit of a stretch. And I kind of wish her ex got punched in the face.
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes definitely. I can't think of a specific book, but I'd say all this is true of reading generally
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I didn't, but I think the riddles are a little harder with audio.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I think there's definitely something more sinister! Is this billed as a Willy Wonka retelling? I feel like it should be!
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Nope, but I do feel like the tone has a YA feel
DQs Day 3:District 2
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?" Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I wholeheartedly agree! The first time I read Catcher and the Rye, TS Eliot, Arthur Rimbaud, The Plague by Albert Camus. Those are just a few, but I hold them very close to my heart and think about bits and pieces of them often.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes! I was so proud of myself. I got it at the last moment before I read her answer.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I was spooked out and Markham was also very shady and scared me. I think something more sinister is happening.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Lol, yes 100%!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I'm loving this so far. I adore Lucy's relationship with Christopher. Their bond is apparent right from the start. I'm intrigued by Hugo and his relationship with Jack. I can't wait to know more.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I'm going to guess the riddle is related to whatever happened. Hugo seems to know what Jack means. I wonder if whatever happened it's the "death" of Astrid a character who is a daughter to Jack and Hugo's wife in that as the illustrator he's married to his work. A little farfetched, but I'll take it. I'm sure Hugo also was a little in love with the idea of a girl like Astrid...wait till he meets the real live human, Lucy, version. :D
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it can be as detrimental as no success as all. Suddenly the fears aren't can I do it, but can I continually repeat this? Will people like me as much again? Also you now have what you want and that requires new dreams and new dreams can be hard to imagine.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Definitely Team Lucy and Christopher here. Every child needs hopes and dreams, especially as I think Lucy's also showing Christopher you have to work for those hopes and dreams by being honest with him about where she's at in trying to get to being able to adopt him.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I'm not sure yet what sparked things. But something clearly did and I think the contest is to bring back that spark of hope and joy in his life as well. He doesn't have a family that we know of, this contest might help bring to him someone of a like mind that he can share that with in his older age.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
His letter was awesome. Everything a child should hear, even if the result wasn't exactly what he intended. I'd like to think I'd have been as brave as Lucy in that moment, going after what she wants and hoping to find a better life and a place where she was wanted. But I'm not sure I would have. Too scared.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I love a good imagination and a world that spawns constant stories. Of course I'd want to visit the island.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I like them because they give an insight into Jack's mind as the writer a little bit. They're charming and I can see how those books would be captivating for a child.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
If they'd had some sort of creepy relationship since then it might bug me, but they met once and it made an impression on Lucy to have this attractive older guy pay attention to her. She hasn't been pining after him for years since or anything. I can see how that connection could blossom into something now that they're both adults and while a ten year age gap at 23 and 13 is a lot, most people aren't going to have an issue at 34 and 24. They have a shared memory and I think her genuine delight in all things Clock Island, the fact that she notices and cares about other people, catch Hugo's attention.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Absolutely, Books definitely have an impact on my views and opinions.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes, I did guess it before Lucy did.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I definitely thought that he was a sleezy lawyer.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes, definitely.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I think the loss has definitely impacted her confidence.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
Not sure if he could have done anything differently.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I think it made Jack's character a bit more interesting
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think that books can have an impact on tough times in ones life. Especially, ones with inspirational story lines.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
People can be deceiving, I would not have done the same as Lucy.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The island does seem facinating.
8. Every part starts th a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Finished the book so I think they are important to the story line.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Why not?
Considering they are now both consenting adults, I don't have a problem.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I'm curious to learn more about Hugo. Who is Davey? I'm glad they told us he is the artist of Jack Masterson's books pretty early, otherwise his character would make no sense. I empathize with Lucy and Christopher. I'm excited to see what happens with their story. And her sister lives in Portland, Maine? Something big is coming.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I do think it has something to do with what happened five years ago. I assumed the two men were Hugo and Jack on Clock Island. I'm not sure about the wife and daughter, and how it all works. Maybe a boat?
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think once you find whatever success you're reaching for, there is always something higher to reach for. There is goodness in being content with what you have.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think hope is a really good thing. There is something very child-like in making wishes, and I think children should hold on to that wonder and imagination as long as possible. However, I think there should be a balance between realistic wishes and unattainable wishes. Wishing that you can have a cake for your birthday is reasonable, wishing that you could become a princess is unattainable for most people, and I wonder how many adults live in a fantasy land of their own creation because they didn't start to temper their wishes as they grew older.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think Jack is dying, so he wants to pass on his legacy and Clock Island to someone he knows will care about it. Very Charlie and the Chocolate Factory-esque!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
So far, I like them. It's been a very charming book up to this point, I hope it continues.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Seems like Hugo broke up with his fiancée, so that seems likely for part of the answer. No clue to the other.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
No, I think it just means that priorities change. Different things become important as we get older and our circumstances change.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Both are right, it's a matter of degree. It's not healthy to give a child hopes that only lead to disappointment, but at the same time having goals to things you can achieve is a good thing.
It's a bit like letting kids believe Father Christmas can bring them any gift they like, then they're crushed when their friends get really expensive gifts and they don't - because the parents' budgets are different. (If you can and want to give big presents, have the small ones be from Father Christmas, the big ones from you.)
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Well, it's very Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, so presumably for similar reasons.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
That scene kind of felt out of place to me, after the whole book being about trying to make your dreams and wishes come true. And I was surprised that Lucy was actually considering it! I believe there is some truth in the ideas of stoicism and learning to let things go and be at peace with things that are outside of your control, but this discussion just felt like "giving up," which I don't think is the same thing.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I thought we would get to hear from Angie, and I'm really glad we did! From the beginning, I really distrusted Lucy's memories about her childhood and I wanted to know more so I could understand. I wish some of this information had been presented earlier in the book, at least what Angie said to her at her birthday party. Obviously, the parents were a real problem, but Angie was a child too and it's sad that Lucy held so much against her.
I'd like to say I would have forgiven her right away, but then in my mind, I feel like Lucy was holding the wrong grudge her whole life, not realizing how her grandparents loved her and not looking back with adult eyes and realizing that kids and teens say stupid, hurtful things.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Thanks for reminding me - not! 😅 I did notice that and then got distracted. Now it's going to bother me, lol. I'm really not sure why the author chose to do that. I'm not feeling super creative right now, but I think "Clock Island Cares" would be a good name for it.
Also, when she talked about this, and earlier when she imagined Christopher packing his stuff into a garbage bag, and then when his chapter showed the awesome suitcase his foster mom got for him - this all took me back to my college days when I volunteered with a project to paint designs on old suitcases for foster kids. That's when I first learned that they often have to use trash bags because they don't have a bag of their own. So this touched me and made me want to look for a similar organization in my local area.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
Overall, I'm happy with the way things turned out for everyone. However, I did have some complaints. First, I don't like how Angie's story ended. Maybe it was to add a touch of realism to the otherwise magical-feeling story or to balance out how well everything else turned out. Or maybe it was to emphasize the underlying message about not wasting the precious time you have. But I just thought it was really sad and would have preferred to see the sisters have an ongoing relationship and more time to heal the pain from their childhood. I also would have liked to see Hugo and Lucy's relationship develop more. I mean, it was sweet as it was written, but I would have enjoyed a touch more romance.
The biggest thing I probably disliked about the ending was how Lucy was made to feel absolutely gutted after losing the contest. Was it necessary for her to endure that pain for an extended period of time before Jack told her what he wanted for her? Since the author said the story is inspired in part by the Willy Wonka movie, maybe it was to parallel that ending. I never read the book, but I remember in the movie that you think for a moment that Willy Wonka is very upset with Charlie and that he's lost everything, all before the triumphant ending. I never liked that ending either. But with this story, it just felt jarring and kind of cruel to me. :/
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
Lucy's story breaks my heart. I totally understand why Lucy ran away from home. I think Jack understood how heartbreaking her story was, too, and wanted to offer her a little hope. I probably would not have had the courage to make it as far away from home, even if I had the courage to run away.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Having just read Hunger Games, this reminds me of the Quarter Quell in Catching Fire with the clock. I think it's a little cute quirk of Jack. I would like to visit the island, but I'm also happy just reading about it in the book.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I am curious if these parts are going to come together to relate to the story somehow. So far, they're all from Book One, are we going to see other parts in a future section?
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
My heart dropped when I read Lucy found Hugo attractive. I am really enjoying this book, and I don't want it to become less meaningful because of a romance dropped in.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I love Lucy & Christopher. Hugo seem grumpy. I like his accent on the audiobook. Looking forward to learning more about Jack.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
When I first heard this I didn't pay much attention because it was a prologue. I like that there is a challenge based on a riddle. It must be important though.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don't success kills motivation. Maybe he has lost his love for what he does.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Christopher needs some hope in his life and I like the idea of the wishing game but maybe the wish is too big.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
No idea, but I'm sure we will learn more.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
Maybe it would give relief in the long run. I think there would definitely be a long period where the giving up would absolutely drag you down, maybe even into depression. However, eventually the disappointment in giving up on a dream might become just a dull ache instead of overwhelming grief.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I was glad to hear Angie changed her mind and she and Lucy were able to be reconciled. I've heard about the "glass child", which Lucy clearly was, but I've never considered what a parent's obsession might do to the child with severe health problems. I'm glad she was able to get into therapy and recover from her parents' expectations of her.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
My initial thought is the author couldn't come up with any names for non-profits that perform these same functions that aren't already taken. I'm definitely not creative enough to come up with a good name for a non-profit!
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I guess it was a little predictable that all the children got their wishes. Because Lucy is one of the main characters, we got her perspective and relationship with Jack a lot more closely. But all four of the competitors must have had the same close relationship with him. I'm happy that it was a nice ending. If I were in a different mood, I might wish that not everyone got their happily ever after.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I really empathize with Lucy and Christopher and I think I like that their relationship and intentions with each other are already established from the beginning, although I do feel like it might also have been nice to see their bond grow and blossom (but that would have been less unique I guess). As for Hugo, I really do not care about him whatsoever and hope his plotline will start to pick up soon if we keep having chapters in his POV. And I really really do hope that he and Lucy won't fall in love or whatever, that would be so unoriginal ugh.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Honestly, i have no clue; I just hope the 'neither is a father' doesn't mean that they were a STEPfather and not a biological one as if that doesnt count as being a father if they cared about the girl. It probably is related to events happening 5 years ago.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don't feel very successful so not sure I can have an opinion on this. I guess it depends on the person you are.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I can see how both parties think they're correct. It is 'getting their hopes up' and from the social workers point of view their situation doesn't look very good. But then again manifestation is a thing apparently and positive/hopeful thinking is always better than being negative (if and when possible anyway).
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
idk maybe the book will include his will??? Maybe he's dying and he's looking someone to give all his money and the island to - although why this person wouldn't be Hugo then I have no clue
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think his letter was awesome. It was funny and witty and uplifting. And reassuring. Exactly what she needed. At 13 I feel like she might have been old enough to know that he wasn't serious about needing a sidekick, but I can see why she did it. She just needed to get away and this almost sounded like an invitation to her. I never would have been brave enough for that.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I wish I could go see the island! Sounds intriguing!!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I actually don't care about them at all and mostly just zone out during them😅
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Ugh. I Know!!! And I wish it wasn't the case. Just let her be happy with Christopher without needing a romantic connection as well. I hate it I hate it I hate it.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy and Christopher are adorable. Love them. Not sure about Hugo just yet. Jack seems mysterious, excited to learn more.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I’m really not sure but I’ll keep it in the back of my mind now to look for more info.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I’d have to be successful in something to know!! 😂😂 I can understand the sentiment I suppose, but I don’t think if I came into money/success I’d feel the same.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think we should always wish and manifest what we want out of life. I think it’s healthy as long as you keep a toe in reality that not all wishes will come to be.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Your guess is as good as mine. I hope it’s something interesting!
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I really loved his letter, but at times it seemed a little creepy. I probably read too many crime novels lol. I would have probably run away, I tried a few times as a teen.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Oh I would love to visit the island! I definitely think it’s a very unique and creative concept!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they just add context and give us a glimpse into what Lucy read as a child. They may play a larger role, but not sure what.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I agree, definitely a good connection there. It doesn’t bother me as it seemed to be an innocent connection when she was younger.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with the coat. I think everything we learn changes us in small ways. Do I think a book can make a huge change in someone, yes. Sometimes it's about the timing of when you read something, it hits differently because of what you're experiencing at that moment in time.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Surprisingly yes. I'm not usually great at riddles. Don't have the patience to sit there for too long trying to figure them out. My ADHD kicks in and I lose the train of thought. But something about this one caught my attention and I was focused on the letters in the words from the start. Took me a minute to find what they had in common, but that was about it. Guess I need all my riddles to be meant for children. ;)
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Literally my first thought was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I liked the City of Secondhand and wanted to see it cleaned up, finished and used. But sleezy creepy lawyer dude was just bleh. Lucy was always going to refuse him.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No. They're adults for me. I think in some ways that clearest because, other than Lucy, they no longer seem to have the ability to think like children. Jack maintains that innocence and childlike wonder in all things. He enjoys the joy in life. Lucy can still see that and so catches things the others miss.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I felt like this was more a Lucy is uncomfortable as she's not very confident in her own self worth. He's so much more successful than her, and than really she thinks she'll ever be, so why should be be the one bringing her dinner.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
LOL! No, but maybe it should have.
DQs Day 3: Ch 12-1710. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I definitely think this is true. Harry Potter for me, it got me started as a reader in middle school and was my safe place to escape to. I’ve also read a few memoirs that moved me a lot.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes but mostly bc I had heard of a riddle similar to this before.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Seemed odd and sad. :/ Definitely got sleazy vibes, but not sure about sinister so much.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I haven’t had to, but I think it’s clear that sometimes it takes tapping into your childlike mind to help solve things like these. It’s sad that we tend to lose touch with this side of ourselves as we age.
DQs Day 3:10. "We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I think it can change us but doesn't necessarily have to. It might do so in only little ways which we don't even realize why, how or when, but it could happen eventually. Books have had big impacts on me in my lifetime, but would I say that they changed me? I don't think so.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I think I would have figured it out quicker if I was actually reading the book with my eyeballs and not listening to the audio, but when Lucy repeated all the words that could go through I did realize what they all have in common :) I can't believe nobody else of their group figured it out though??
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Honestly, I wasn't quite interested in the City of Secondhand and I originally thought that it was one of the other 'contestants' who wanted to talk to her in secret, kinda like how that one guy ambushed her (already forgot his name lol) but yeah that lawyer is sleezy and I'm sure he'll show up again to intimidate Lucy but I do think that Christopher is safe and nothing will happen in that regard.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Since we've met Lucy as a grownup I am aware that they're all adults and don't need reminding throughout, but I think Jack could use a reminder 🫠
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I would feel like Jack had people for that- although she hasn't met anyone apart from Jack and Hugo, right? It would feel weird to me too, at first anyway. Why didn't she get her dinner herself?? LOL
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Actually, no. Do y'all really remember those books that well??? 😆
Day 1 Prologue - Chapter 51. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I was interested enough to continue reading. I wanted to learn more about Jack. I also really felt bad for Christopher. I disagree with the negative reviews that the relationship betweem Lucy and him was weird. How could wanting to give a child a home be weird?
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I thought it signified that because of the isolation of the island neither man got what they always wanted.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don't think it kills motivation but I think a lived life can alter priorities.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I'm honestly not sure. Sometimes what we wish for doesn't come true and sometimes it does. Can't hurt to have a little hope.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Aging can bring on a desire for nostalgia and wanting to do something that brings back youthful feelings? Or boredom 😆
Day 2 Chapter 6 - 11
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
Sweet to answer kids letters but definitely would not have done what Lucy did by running away. Gave luring kids to a van with candy vibes.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I'd visit! Sounds like a fun idea for a resort.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I do. The chosen parts from the books ran in parallel to the action on the page. Made it feel like the game was really playing out like in the books.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
There was no pining after her when she was a child so not really weird. I just think not every story needs a romance plot.
Day 3:
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Depends on the book. I've felt emotionally changed by some books but not others.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Nah I was one of the frustrated ones!
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I wasn't surprised. There is always a baddie lurking in the shadows.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No I know they are adults. I also don't find it all that weird Jack calls them children when he is old enough to be their father. He genuinely seems to care about these adults he couldn't help as children.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I'm not sure myself.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes?
What book is this??
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I loved his letter. It seemed he understood her and it was heartfelt.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find the island very fascinating and love how everything is tied to the clock. It would love to visit it. It's very clever.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
They wouldn't be in the book if they weren't important.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
There is definitely a relationship growing. The age difference when she was a child would have been wrong but the fact that they are adults now I don't see that because they met earlier is a problem.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Absolutely. I just wish I had a better memory for remembering things I read.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Sleazy lawyer. I am curious about who his client is though.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I don't but the whole thing has child-like feel with grown-up issues attached.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I already finished the book but I'm pretty sure I thought she was going to win, with her being the MC and all...
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
Oh he definitely needed to call the authorities!! This riddle is so sad, and I sorta had the wife part figured out, but it's just horrible that Autumn had to drown. No surprise Jack fell in a depression and stopped writing.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I hadn't really considered his past before, but finding out hadn't changed how I viewed him. It all makes sense, but I did already like him so all I could do now is sympathize with him as well.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I actually had a pretty nice child and teenage hood, I only started developing mental health issues once I was way past being a teenager. The HP books were always such a comfort series for me, and it's starting to get there again, maybe, but I don't long to read them every year anymore thanks to a certain someone 😤
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
sorry I couldn't help myself but that's what's in my head every single time that line is mentioned. Welcome to my brain.I do think there's truth in it but do I agree that people should give up on their dreams? H no! Keep dreaming y'all, the world's dark enough as it is.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I expected we'd meet her and that she's not as miserable and mean to Lucy as she used to be. She was a child and then a teenager, and now she's grown up and has a clearer perspective on what family is or should be. I understand forgiving her is hard, and it would take me a lot of talks to possibly get over it, and some point, but there definitely is a foundation for them to build up on.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I don't know, maybe the author couldn't come up with anything that sounded meaningful enough x)
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
It was a positive story in the end, all about wishes and kids in the books always got theirs granted, so I'm not surprised everyone still got their wish, even if it was in a different way than anticipated. I'm surprised the sleezy lawyer guy didn't show up again though, like was there really a point for him being there if his intimitations never went anywhere??
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Day 26. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I’m not sure I remember the letter that clearly. I’ve read further so I know what could go wrong does go wrong. I never tried to run away as a child so probably not.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I liked the description of the island and the natural features but some parts seemed like a mini golf course.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Sometimes this method in books is painful as the author isn’t a poet, science writer etc. But this wasn’t too bad. There are a huge number of the books so you expect them to be moralistic and formulaic so the bar wasn’t set very high. The children are compared to the contestants so I assume it was so the reader could feel more connected to that relationship.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I’m ok as they barely met and didn’t have any sort of relationship that could be grooming. Also we have a limited cast and this book was going to shoehorn in a love interest no matter what. This type of book always does.
Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this?
I think there is a difference between a dream and being delusional. Not necessarily in the context of adoption but for instance not everyone can grow up a be a professional athlete and there is a point that dream is just delusional. Otherwise there is some joy in being happy where you are especially if you are always looking forward.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
Poor Angie. Deeply abused and then cancer. She read more like a caricature than a person though.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if
I didn’t pay attention and I like sending books but with that much money how about something more structural.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
It read a bit too much like Charlie and the chocolate factory without all the weird fat and other shaming of children. It was expected in the giving of the island and the foster to adopt across state lines was too easy and fast. Happy ending but very neat and tidy. Except for the sister who wasn’t a real character anyway.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
So far I am really liking Lucy and Christopher. They are so likeable and I am rooting for them to be together. Hugo is likeable and Jack I still need to see more of him.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I have no idea what this means. I just glossed over it at the start. Well we will wait and see how it correlates into the story.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation.I think it depends on what motivated you to be successful in the first place. If you are working hard to have nice things, then yes, this Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it depends on what your motivation is for and what is the basis of the desire.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think the wishing game is fine for them. It gives them something to dream about and desire.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Not sure why he started writing again unless there is some magical link to Lucy and getting her dream of being Christopher's mother.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
If my favorite author had responded the same way as Jack had done I would have done the same as Lucy at that age. I thought his letter was very heartfelt and appropriate. Lucy was lucky she wasnt harmed on her way there.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think thats a marvelous idea to have sections of the island as parts of a clock. I would like to visit this island for sure. I think its fascinating and for a child it would be so neat to be part of the story in a sense. Its kind of like the Harry Potter amusement park. The stories come to life.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
There must be some relation of the quotes to the current story. Just havent figured out yet how they relate.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I like that Hugo and Lucy would be at the start of a relationship. They both seem like its time for them both to find some love and companionship. I think it is appropriate for them to start a relationship, having met when she was a child really just enhances what may result.
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14. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
It shouldn't change her method of playing at all. I'm guessing that her greatest fear is being left all alone.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
With his money & ability to buy connections, he should've been able to help her more. He was too worried about his own reputation to go the extra mile for Autumn. So tragic! How did she manage to run away even that far?
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
No. It makes me like him all the more because he tried to help children in bad situations. children are the most powerless of all people. They deserve to have hope and love.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island, but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
Definitely! Books are transformative. At the very least, they give your mind a place to escape to. At best, they can be an inspiration to a goal or dream. This book is definitely going to be placed on my 5-star shelf!!