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The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - June 2024 Theme BOM - GAMES (starts 16 Jun)
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
It's taken me the first five chapters to get a handle of what's sort of going on. Lucy seems a bit damaged, Hugo seems lost and no idea about the mysterious Jack.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Definitely it's the key to the mystery of Clock Island and the penny won't actually drop till the end of the book I'm thinking.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Not entirely. But success definitely quiets the hunger and ambition you have as a younger person.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Mmmm, Lucy. My heart says what she wants to do for Christopher and being there for him now is right but my head can see the points that the social worker has been making. Lucy seems to have mega childhood issues and she probably needs to come to terms with them before taking on the role of raising a child. If love was enough it would be great but unfortunately and honestly it's not in this harsh world of reality.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
The first thing that springs to mind is a Willy Wonka scenario. Lucy and Christopher will be deemed worthy of having all their dreams come true after some sort of test set by the Mastermind aka Masterson..
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I loved his letter; it was just lovely. I even geared up a little when I read it. I wouldn’t have done what Lucy did; it wouldn’t have occurred to me to even be a possibility.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
A visit to the island would be amazing! The cleverness in how the various places are named, each section having its main draw… yes, I’m completely fascinated.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Sure, important or why else include them? I think those sections echo Lucy’s experience and are giving the reader hope that Lucy’s wish will be granted.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Absolutely agree with a deeper connection on the horizon! It doesn’t bother me that they met once for a few hours when she was a child. He wasn’t inappropriate with her then, he hasn’t tried to keep in touch with her; they happened to cross paths at one time years ago.
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1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I feel invested in their individual stories which I think this early in a story is about the best to hope for.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
No clue, but I'm guessing like some others have that it's the key to everything. I would of said it had something to do with when Lucy made it there as a child, but that was a lot longer than 5 years ago.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Not completely, but things can look golden and glittery from a far only to realize it's tinfoil up close. There can be a big difference between what you think you want and what you actually want. If you end up focusing too much on the former, you may not actually have any idea what the latter even is.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
To the degree Christopher and Lucy are doing it or what they are doing it about, I'm not sure how healthy that is. It's a tough system they are working with and the social worker isn't lying to Lucy and Lucy should know it's not that simple.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Like others I'm thinking a Willy Wonka situation at this point and is looking for the next caretaker of Clock Island.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
Jack seems a very genuine caring person, if not a little naive. It probably never occurred to him what his words would mean to a teenage lonely girl. I think every teenaged kid at some time has thought about running away when they have a fight with their parents, doesn't mean they do.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The author does bring the description of the Island to life. I'm sure it would be fascinating. I remember as a kid loving Enid Blyton's Magic Faraway Tree and would have loved to climb and experience the lands there. This is much the same thing for a different generation.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Definitely part of the evolving story. But it probably will take to well into the book to work out how they fit.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yep, Lucy and Hugo are definitely a HEA. From their interaction there is nothing creepy about it. In that way Lucy was being a typical teenage girl and Hugo did absolutely nothing inappropriate.
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?It was a little irresponsible of him really. But I guess he just wasn't thinking.
I wouldn't have, because even at a young age I was very well aware of the statistics and such involving runaways, and it never seemed like a particularly bright idea to me!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I love islands, so yes! but to be fair, so far there doesn't seem to be anything out of the usual about the island itself. Just the occupants.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
So far it just seems like showing his work, but who knows where it will go further along?
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
So far it's not so much of a problem. Now if it comes to light that he's been "in love" with her since the first visit, then I call ick, lol.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I like the idea of the letter. I think he genuinely wanted to help Lucy and make her feel better about herself. But, it wasn't very responsible on his part. I don't think I would have ran away; then again, who knows what a teenager would do if they felt like they were all alone and someone seemed to be offering exactly what they thought they needed.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I would like to visit. The concept of the island being laid out as a clock seems quite interesting.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I thought they were a bit of foreshadowing. Now that you mention it, it also shows off Jack's work. I expect them to tie into the story somehow.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yes, I see something happening with Lucy/Hugo. I don't see anything wrong with it. Meeting someone briefly as a child doesn't throw up any red flags, especially when there has been no contact or anything until all these years later. I would agree with Sammy's comment though there would have to be zero love feelings on Hugo's part from the start. Now, Lucy's reaction to him as a teenage girl was pretty normal and she didn't stalk him or anything either! Lol
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy? I would have wanted to do the same, but would have been too chicken. I mostly liked his letter - I feel like he validated her right to wish for a loving family.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less? I would love to go there! I loved the descriptions and want to see more. Note: it was also funny because I just finished Catching Fire which also involves a Clock.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else? I think at the very least they give me the feel of how his books go, and probably a feel for the upcoming challenge.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?I do agree - I don't think the age difference is TOO huge since she was 13 and he was quite young when she first met him. Plus, he wasn't at all creepy towards her when she met him as a child.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like all the characters so far - Lucy, Christopher, Hugo, probably Jack? I’m listening to the book, and I find it a bit distracting that when the narration is in Hugo’s head, there's no accent, but when he's speaking actual dialog, Hugo then has an accent - I’ll get over it.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I’m not sure yet, but something caused Jack to sink into a depression, and may explain the draw keeping Hugo on the island.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I read that more to say that success kills creativity, or kills innovation, or the energy it takes to be bold and try something new. If you’re successful with a certain type of art or writing or music, that’s all anyone then wants from you, and often that is what one does to stay popular / successful - but that can be deadening too. What is success?
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think one of life’s hardest challenges, especially as you get older, is finding the balance between being realistic, and having dreams. I’m a firm believer in Langston Hughes’ quote “Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly” - but nurturing dreams - or creating new dreams - when life keeps serving you setbacks, isn’t easy.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
It definitely could be a Willy Wonka situation, but I think it also has to do with Hugo - maybe help him get off the island, or expand his world, or something.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like Lucy, she seems like a great person.
Christopher seems like the perfect underdog, and he’s precious.
Hugo I’m not sure about yet, I think I need more information.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the waterThen Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
I am quite awful at riddles, and I’m not sure I want to embarrass myself with speculation!
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Personally, I think success brings on more motivation, but this might just be me. It’s like a snowball rolling down a hill, it just picks up more speed and gets bigger as it goes. One might say that failure, unfortunately, is the same.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think it’s just so sad. I really feel for Lucy and Christopher. It may not be strictly healthy, but sometimes I don’t think it needs to be. Hope can be a powerful (and healing) thing.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I’m not sure I understand enough about Jack yet to answer this.
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6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think his letters were life lines to scared, lonely children and made them feel heard and/or seen. I probably would of wanted to do the same as Lucy but don't know if I would of had the courage to actually do it.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
It sounds cool but also creeps me out a bit because it makes me think of the clock arena from Catching Fire (ironically considering we are in the middle of Book Games).
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think it's to provide some context/thoughts indirectly to the reader about Jack and the situation at hand.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
He interacted with her in a very respectable, non-creepy way once for a couple hours 10 years ago. He never sought her out or interacted with her or even thought much about her in those years. Even when he remembers her, it's as a lonely 13 year old kid. Not has that hot girl who grew up to be a hotter woman. It's not like he groomed her or something. I don't see it as a big deal.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Christopher is a sweet kid. I feel really bad for him. Jack sounds a bit like a weirdo but I'm here for it. Lucy and Hugo, even with having read ahead, I can't quite place. Not sure if I like them really.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I have read ahead (although only to the end of chapter 11 so far) and I'm not sure if it has been revealed yet, I don't think it did?
Something must've happened with Jack but what - I don't know.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it depends on the person and the situation, really. Sure, if you're doing something only to be successful and then you are, the motivation would be gone after that. But if you're doing something you truly enjoy, I think the motivation will stay.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I like the wishing game but I do think that you'd have to be realistic about it as well. It's one thing to wish for a new book because it's great if it happens but it's not the end of the world if it doesn't. But to wish for Lucy to adopt him, I'm not sure how healthy it is since it is not very likely to happen.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I feel like this will be some kind of inheritance thing, where the winner of the contest not only gets the copy of the book but also his house and money or something similar to that.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
It would seen to far in the book everyone is very different and have their own problems and agenda's. I look forwards to seeing how this pans out.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
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Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I am not really sure what is going on at the moment, the author just seems to be setting up all the character scenes
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think it can for some people, or sometimes your hopes and dreams just change with time and the things you once wanted, you don't anymore. I am not sure this has anything to do with success, more about how you change through your life.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think every child needs hope and there is nothing wrong with making a wish if it makes them both feel better. After all those who don't believe in magic will never see it. I can see how others would be of the opinion that is gives false hope.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I don't think we actually know enough about Jack yet for me to answer this question.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
There are definitely books that I loved and think about often. I'm not sure they changed me but I sure enjoyed reading them. Two I read as a teenager that made me think more like an adult would have been Wuthering Heights and Interview with a Vampire, both ground breaking books in their own way.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
When she mentioned Carrie I actually did put it together.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
It was kind of obvious that there would be a temptation offered to the contestants, it really reminds me of Willy Wonka. Sinister.. may be, but I'm guessing more straight forward inducements.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes, there is definitely a child like quality to the story, as is mentioned that Jack thinks of the contestants like they still are children. Is this tagged as YA, it does read that way.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought it was a really nice addition to the story. He tried to help and befriend Lucy without giving her high hopes. Not sure I would have been brave enough as a child to take myself off to an Island to meet a total stranger.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Yes it sounds amazing. I have just finished reading Catching Fire (Hunger Games Book 2) and this has a similar concept. Hard to try and imagine what it looks like but it must be amazing and also scary.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think we are getting pained a picture of Jack and how his mind works. I think we may possibly find out more as we go along. I personally love a riddles also that are included, so am enjoying it.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yes, there definitely seems to be some vibe going on. Hugo also sounds very lonely on the island. I don't have an issue with an age difference is both are consulting adults. He was very professional and friendly with her when the first met so nothing would make me think otherwise now.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I totally agree with this. I have always been a lover or books but when reading The Secret Garden as a child a whole new world opened up for me with stories. This book gave me the love I have today of escaping into another world through reading.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
No, but I was getting to the point where I was thinking it has to be something to do with the words themselves. As the book says children's minds are more literal than ours. As adults we seem to complicate things.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Anyone else getting Slugworth vibes?! Obviously people have been waiting for this book to be published for sometime and know there is a big profit to be made. I would have thought that with the money Jack must have from his success he would have better security on the island.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No. I think Jack obviously still sees them as such. His mind obviously thinks like a Childs and he is able to see them how they once were.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I loved the letter. Jack knew Lucy needed to be made to feel special, feel worthy. I think, in the same situation as Lucy at age 13, I would have tried to make it to the island as well.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Of course I want to visit an island in the ocean with an amazing house keeping watch on its denizens - lol. I find the idea of naming the bits of the island after numbers on a clock to be fun. Which direction is 12 - north?
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I’m sure the bits of stories quoted at the beginning of each chapters are going to play into the action of the story, reflect character growth or motivations, and perhaps lay clues about the challenge.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Young Hugo made an impression on the 13 year old Lucy. Now that they are both adults, and struggling internally with their own challenges, seems like they will make a connection.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
There are tons of books that have changed me personally - that's a thing I like most about reading! Lots of times it's just little ways - another point of view, another reason to not be judgmental, or a way to show kindness. A couple of examples: The Hate U Give, The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society, A Man Called Ove - all of those taught me things.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did? No, but I guessed all of the other ones before Lucy :)
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on? That totally gave me Willy Wonka vibes, and I thought it might be a test. I like how Lucy handled it.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children? No, lol but maybe because the whole place appealed to my inner child.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.I might have too - I just thought they meant it was odd for Hugo to bring a guest to his dinner.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? Although I have read Dino Island (which is NOT something I've learned from - at least not that I'd admit to lol) , I didn't think of them. I guess I took it more at face value.
DQs - Day 3 (Chapters 12 - 17)10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?" Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
To Kill a Mockingbird was very influential for me. Food Rules: An Eater's Manual gave me some good perceptions on food and eating. My Sister Lives on the Mantelpiece is a more recent book that made a huge impact on me.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes!
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
He's completely reminiscent of Slugworth from Wonka. Maybe he's a lawyer, maybe he's actually a rival author who wants to publish the book under his own name.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I have to keep reminding myself that Lucy is quite younger than the other contestants.
Oh another thought about adults acting like children. I noticed several years ago that whenever I was with my siblings in my parents' house, we all reverted a bit to childhood roles. That was a good observation for me, as I then tried to be less "let mom do everything".
Discussion Questions : Day 2 (Chapter 6 - 11)6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think this is wild, but I love the idea of it. A lonely girl who jumps at the first bit of attention. It makes me sad. I can’t say whether I would do the same or not, but I can definitely see why she did.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The island seems very fun and mysterious, so sure, I’d definitely hang out!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Perhaps! This book gives me the “nothing is irrelevant” vibe… but who knows!?
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I think that seems possible (likely even). I don’t hate it. Nothing at all happened in the past and there weren't any creepy vibes from their interaction, so I’m not weirded out by the idea.
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1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy is a bit of an idiot. Nice but not making sensible decisions
Christopher adorable and precocious, which might get old
Hugo grumpy before his time.
I don't hate them, but not massively attached either
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I think it's related but no concrete ideas
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I suspect it's more that age changes desires. What a teen / twenty something wants should be different to what a mid thirties wants
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
A bit of both. I suspect the Christopher is jaded enough that some hope is useful, but Lucy shouldn't be so magical thinking in her life
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I guess that the people who know the answer have a connection with Jack that he wants to resolve/ get vengeance
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy: sweet, but also a bit naive
Christopher: has been through a lot and needs someone to love him
Hugo: not sure I can make sense of him yet; he seems very dependent on others
Jack: crazy, a genius maybe?
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I didn’t make that connection, but you could be right. Not sure what exactly happened, but apparently someone died.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I disagree for myself - I wouldn’t have enough patience to stick with an occupation that won’t get me anywhere. I feel a lot more motivated by success! On the other hand, you probably get to a point where you don’t let your work be defined by others anymore - Hugo only wanted to live there, because people he idolized used to stay there, right?
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I can understand both points of view. Being disappointed over and over again must be very hard on the kids and I bet the social worker has seen that often. On the other hand, picturing a happy future for yourself that isn’t absolutely unrealistic is a good habit, in my opinion, that can make you more resilient. I guess it depends on whether or not one trusts Lucy’s ability to make it come true.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I have not the faintest idea yet!
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DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree. Books influence in many ways; usually small things. If a book helps me remember to do something nice for someone or to not be judgy of people when I don't know their story, I think it has changed me for the better.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not. I was listening instead of reading. I think had I seen the words, I would have gotten it much faster than I did.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
At that point in my reading, I thought it was a test.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Sort of. I keep reminding myself than Lucy isn't a child. But overall, the story reads kind of like a childhood dream that adults are having. I can see how the island would make them revert back to their inner child.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I thought it was weird also! Being famous doesn't mean that you can no longer do things for other people.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Yes!!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I find Lucy really annoying. I can’t really put my finger on why though, but I’m just not connecting to her at all. Christopher seems sweet. I’m not really attached to Hugo yet either. I’m very intrigued by Jack though!
I also hope we get the sister’s side of things too. If I had to guess, her sister was also traumatized by their upbringing in a different way and it’d be interesting to get her take.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Not gonna lie . . . I didn’t even click that as a riddle. I just assumed it was talking about Jack and Hugo. I’m going to blame listening to the audiobook for this — if I can’t stare at it and think on it, I’m going to wait till the author tells me more about it 🤣
But now that I AM able to stare at it since you so kindly included it here . . . I think it’s maybe related to the death of a woman who is not related to them. Someone else’s wife/daughter? Like you see on people’s tombstones, titles they are to other people. It doesn’t necessarily mean who that person is to them. But I am VERY bad at riddles so I honestly have no idea.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
What a good question. Yes and no. I think that when something seems unachievable, it is put on a kind of pedestal. I think for some people, achieving that out-of-reach thing is motivating. But for some people, I think it loses its specialness. It was only special BECAUSE it was in achievable, in a sense. It just kind of depends on the person and their viewpoint.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think there’s nothing wrong with a little hope, but you have to be careful — especially with children who are in a vulnerable situation. I think it’s important to have some hope so they don’t get lost in melancholy, but ultimately, will it do more damage in the end? I think the right thing is probably somewhere between the two.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
It’s giving “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” to me, so I can only imagine it’s maybe something along those lines?
Discussion Questions : Day 3 (Chapters 12 - 17)10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?" Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes and YES! The Lord of the Rings books changed me by making me an avid reader as a teen. The Twilight Books (as bad as they are) made me get back into reading as a younger adult. Throne of Glass is a series I think about so often, I feel like my brain chemistry is altered. There are so many books that have had small and large impacts on me.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not. I am TERRIBLE at riddles. If my life depended on solving a riddle, you might as well just put me out of my misery first.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
My first thought is sleezy lawyer, but I’m getting Wonka vibes from this book, so could be sinister-ish.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes, well, at least everyone but Lucy.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I thought this was odd also.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
hahahahaha!
I'm wondering if anyone recognizes the raven's name... Thurl Ravenscroft?
Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I love Christopher. I think Lucy is well-meaning, but she has some growing up to do. I haven't seen enough of Hugo to think much of him, and Jack seems like an author I would love to meet.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I didn't pay attention to the fact that Hugo was musing right after the riddle. I was trying to solve the riddle. But even Google has failed me on this one. :)
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I took it as now that he is older, that situation no longer appeals to him. Often the things we can tolerate and even think are fun when we are young and carefree become unappealing as we get older. And usually as we get older we get more successful and have more money. So now that he has money to do it, he doesn't have the desire because he is older and has obligations and days when his back or knees just hurt to much to enjoy that stuff.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I hate to be a downer, but outside of the world of magical fiction, the social worker is probably closer to right than Lucy is.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
If you look at it like Willy Wonka, he's ready to be done and pass it all on to someone else. I bet he's going to gift the island to someone. Or maybe just the rights to his books.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought his letter to Lucy was sweet, and inspiring and made me like him immediately. No, I never would have run away from home, but I didn’t have the seemingly cold childhood Lucy did.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
So far I don’t have enough of a vibe for the island to have strong feelings one way or the other. So at this point it’s just a cool island location.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Yes, I do think these quotes will end up being important to the story, like hints to how the “game” will go or clues that will help solve some of the riddles.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yes, I think there will end being a romance between Lucy and Hugo, and she met him for such a brief time when she was a kid, so who cares? In the story when the main plot takes place she’s 26 and he’s mid 30s, so it’s a non-issue.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Hugo & Jack are intriguing and I am looking forward to finding out more about them.
Lucy is not that exciting for me but she does seem kind. And Christopher is a little sweetheart.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Maybe an accident/incident involving the ocean as Hugo said that “He and the ocean weren’t on speaking terms anymore”. Possibly something to do with Davey . . . ?
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I would say 'no' as my opinion, but it would depend on the person and their experiences. Hugo's perception may have changed.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I don't think there is anything wrong with being hopeful, and this game helps to keep hope alive. Lucy isn't giving Christopher false hope however there is always a risk of disappointment.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
The only thought I have is that Jack is giving Clock Island away (very Willy Wonka).
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6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought his letter was a little bit extra, but was what Lucy needed. Running away? Nope!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
It's contrived, but a cute enough way to name aspects of the island
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I've not really made any connections from the excerpts to the main story, so I guess for the atmosphere?
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
They are certain flirting. I don't have a problem with it, he was entirely appropriate back then and it wasn't like they had a long relationship back then.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
It was slightly irresponsible to confirm Lucy's thoughts about her parents (view spoiler), mostly it seemed like he was just trying to cheer her up. I would be to much of a chicken to run away from home.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find the imagination of using landmarks on an island to represent a clock very clever. If I grew up reading these books I would love to visit the island.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
It feels like the book quotes set the scene for the next part of the book.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Most definitely some romance to come between the two. There is nothing wrong with an age gap when their both adults.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I really liked his letter though I thought that it seemd too childish for a 13 year old. Maybe that's what Lucy needed though. I ran away from home once although only to my best friend and not to an island inhabited by a strange man lol
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I would really like to see this island. I find the concept really intriguing.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think that maybe it's supposed to be a clue but so far I find it a bit annoying.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
There definitely will be something happening between them in my opinion. I asked this question because I think that there's some people who would disapprove of it. Personally, I think it's fine unless he had any improper thoughts about Lucy when she was 13.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
100% agree with it. There are lots of books that changed me. The Harry Potter series to name an example but there were many many more.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes, I heard this riddle somewhere before. I really liked it though. I would've not gotten it had I not known about it before.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
He's definitely sleezy but I'm not sure about something more sinister. Maybe something to do with Jack's rough patch?
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, not really.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I agree. Maybe you’re going through something, so different quotes stand out to you when you read a book at a particular time in your life. Or perhaps you become invested in a series of characters and their actions - maybe you learn from a character’s mistake, or try to be more compassionate or thoughtful in daily life after seeing that in another character. Whatever, when words swirl into characters and experiences and tap into universal fears and hopes we all have, they can definitely change us.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did once I heard the Billy Dee Williams 3 times thing.
12.What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
That was an odd setup just to give Lucy a chance to show Hugo she wasn’t a mercenary guest on the island, I guess.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
It’s just, it’s all very surface I guess. It’s not helping that I find the writing to be a tad overwrought, and the audiobook narration overdramatic on top of that. (I tried to get the ebook, but long wait there.) I like the story but oddly I’m finding Jack to be the only character who seems real - I mean, he’s eccentric, prone to depression, writing books about brave kids but living on an island - but I get him.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I absolutely adore Lucy and Christopher. Hugo is a more complex character and I do need to know more about him before I can pass judgement. Jack on the other hand is still a riddle.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I think the riddle holds an answer to what happened five years ago. I'm lousy with riddles, so I have no clue what it means.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don't agree. I think that success would motivate a person even more.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I think they are both right, from their own perspectives, backgrouds and experiences.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I have no idea. He might be dying?
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think Jack's letter was wonderful and thoughtful. As a child and if I'd had the same experiences as Lucy had, I would have done the same. Especially since Clock Island was so near.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
The idea sure is fscinating. I would love to visit Clock Island.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are pieces of the puzzle we as readers might want to solve.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
There was nothing problematic about their first meeting. It would be nice if their connection would get stronger.
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10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I do. Most 5 star reads have changed me in some sort of ways. Generally in small ways or cause slight shifts in how I think about something and I think many books have broadened my understanding of people different from me by allowing me to experience things from different perspectives. It's why I think bigots are so desperate to ban books. They are afraid of the power books have to change things from the status quo to the better.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Nope, but I wasn't trying all that hard and only had a few sips of coffee when I read that chapter. Though I'm fairly sure it wouldn't of mattered. LOL
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Well, the books is worth a fortune. And people like having the only rare item so it could just be that. Again though I got Wonka vibes from when all the kids were approached to steal that jawbreaker or whatever it was.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Lucy doesn't really come across as the youngest of the group. So sort of?
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I took it to mean that seemed like a servants job? I think with a house that size and a fortune that size many would assume the housekeeper or something would bring the tray like it was 1850 or something?
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes?
Sort of, but a lot more wholesome. And it was some cute, awkward flirting so it didn't really bother me. Plus Lucy and Hugo aren't trying to survive dino attacks and not a melon in sight. hehe
I’ve only finished the day 1 reading so far, but as I was picking it up to start again today something struck me. C.S. Lewis was called Jack. And his goddaughter was named Lucy. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was dedicated to her. Possibly linked to the author named Jack in our story and our Lucy?Just finished the day 2 reading, and something tells me to expect more Westing Game rather than the fun of Willy Wonka or the magic of Narnia.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 11
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
If I was in Lucy's life, I very well might have. When she first told about the letter, I only thought how cool it was that her favorite author wrote back. Who among us hasn't fan-girled over an author commenting on your post in their author group? But as others in the book bring up the problems he was potentially creating for himself and danger that she put herself in, it was probably not the smartest thing in the world he could have done.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I would love to visit. A private island, even off the cold coast of Maine? Yes please!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they will probably end up being a key to whatever mystery/game Jack presents them all with.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I think there might end up being something there. They met for half an hour. He had nothing to do with meeting her and didn't pursue knowing her. Wasn't he only 20 or 21 at the time? I don't think it is inappropriate.
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10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree, books being portals into other minds and viewpoints. I don't think there's one that has been life altering though
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Nope
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
That was creepy town, being mostly decrepit apart from the magical item collection.
For sure he's sleazy - how did he even get on the island? Not sure it was more sinister than simply wanting to make money
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Not massively, except for Lucy they make very little impression. Lucy for sure is not well developed as an adult
Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought it was sweet that he wrote back to her! I doubt he thought she’d run away though (at least I hope not, but I’m getting the sense he didn’t.)
I would say I wouldn’t do the same as her, but I did threaten to run away as a child (we were moving lol). Although my “running away” consisted of me packing a pair of clothes and grabbing our cat and then sitting on the other side of our detached garage out of view (I was too scared to actually leave lol)
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I don’t so much care about the island itself, but I do love the concept for the characters that they are going to a place that the book they love takes place in. There are so many worlds from other stories I wish I could visit, and I love for them that they get to!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
Right now I’m kind of thinking they’ll be important to the story — but I am not sure in which way yet. It could be prophetic, or it could just be trying to show us why everyone loves the books.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I’m certain there will be. Right now it doesn’t bother me because it was a kid with a crush (who hasn’t been there?) on an adult who seemingly did not think of her inappropriately and has not tried to keep in contact with her, but we’ll see as their interactions progress. It was a few hours of acquaintance and then many many years of nothing, so it seems fine.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
For the most part, I read fantasy or romance books, so it’s not like these are emotionally charged books that would change me. I have read books that I thought were so outstanding, I consistently read them (or the series) again and again, like curling up with a favorite treasured blanket. So there are certain books that just make me happy to revisit and get lost in the writer’s world, so I think that speaks to their power for me.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I actually did! I was driving in the car and listening to the audiobook and I kept shouting at the narrator “it’s double letters”😆
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
All I kept thinking during this passage was Mr. Slugworth and him pushing the kids to obtain the Everlasting Gobstopper formula - such a direct parallel to me. So I assume it’s some type of setup by Jack to test the contestants.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, I think the contestants are acting exactly like adults, and the other three are not picking up on the riddles or clues as they are far removed from their childhoods. Lucy works with children for a living, and seems to still have a head for fantasy and enough imagination to not see so things as so literal.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Of course. Every book I read gives me a new perspective about something. Even if it is incredibly close to my own experiences/beliefs, it varies at least a little and allows me to see things from other points of view.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not. I'm really bad with that sort of thing.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I keep getting Westing Game vibes. I might need to re-read it soon.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Jack sees them as the kids they were when he first met them, and that affects they way they are presented to us.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I think she just meant that serving someone was beneath his status. I think it's often actually a money thing. 'There are people that are paid to do that sort of thing' is the attitude implied.
(And I think Lucy picked that up from her ex. He seems like a real piece of work!)
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with this quote. I think a lot of people find something missing from their lives in books, or use books for escapism. Simply the acts of reading books that make you happy changes you, IMO. Of course there are also deeper meanings to that too, and I don't know that I've had many change me deeply, but I do think books in general make me a happier person, and that's certainly not nothing.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I was kind of on par with Lucy. When she was pointing out differences between Kari and Carrie and said "Billy Dee Williams could go through three times" is when I made the connection, about two seconds before she said it! (I do wonder if I hadn't been listening to the audio and were looking at the words instead of having to picture the words in my head if I'd have gotten it faster . . . but I doubt it haha. I'm just proud I guessed it that slight second before she said her line about sheeps/lambs and trees/limbs. That confirmed it for me.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I originally thought it was weird, but about a second after he left I said "oh, hello Slugworth." This book is SO reminiscent of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (which I haven't read, but I did grow up watching the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka movie only about a million times) that I almost immediately flashed back to Charlie being offered something similar for the Everlasting Gobstopper. I would not be surprised to find out Markham is a plant from Jack.
But the Secondhand City seemed really cool!!
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Thankfully I do not really, but maybe it's because of the amount of expletives we were told were used. :-P
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Oh please no don't make me think about Hot Prof!!!! Lol. What a time it was reading those books together.
14. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?I finished the book so won't speculate
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
He should definitely have done something different. Not tell vulnerable young children he wants them to live with him would be a good start. You'd think that he'd learned from the first 4 times kids showed up on his doorstep. It was only a matter of time before something bad was going to happen.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
Not really. It wasn't anything that came as much of a surprise given what we already knew and the recurring themes in the book.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think if you're experiencing or have experienced some kind of trauma, there are different ways for different people to cope with it. Books, music, art, etc. There is a reason why there are a lot of therapies based around these things.
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1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I am 100% engaged with all of them! Christopher is adorable, of course, and his situation extremely sad. I completely understand Lucy's relationship with her sister; I have one living sister, and our relationship is virtually non-existent. Not for the same reasons as Lucy, but the same result. I'm quite enjoying learning about Hugo as well. I loved the info that Piper hated being called Pipes as much as Hugo hated when she called him Huge Ego. :) And Jack? I'm quite eager to learn more of his story.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue: "Two men on an island and both blame the water / for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter / but neither ever married, and neither's a father. / What is the secret of the girls and the water?" Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Nope, no speculations. For a book like this, I enjoy going with the flow. Well, one speculation. (view spoiler)[Somehow Lucy is the girl in the poem? Someway? (hide spoiler)]
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I definitely understand his perspective. When you're starting out and "hungry," you're super motivated to succeed. Once you reach success, it's easy for that motivation to fall off. Also, as we age our priorities and needs often change to a more satisfied, sometimes even complacent, mindset.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I loved that statement from the social worker. It's really a fine line to hope... realistically, I guess is the way to put it. I mean, I may hope to get married again some day but to hope to marry David Tennant is hoping unrealistically. Unfortunately for me. (Side note: I would only get married again if it was to David Tennant, so there you go. LOL!)
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I haven't read ahead and have no actual idea, but (view spoiler)[he wants someone to take over Clock Island and being writing the books again, right? If it's like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? (hide spoiler)]