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DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I think by being behind the leader will make her strive to get back in the lead. Her desire to win so she and Christopher can be a family is strong.
She still has a chance to win.
Her fear is either losing her chance to be a mother to Christopher or allowing herself to be loved.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
This is a heartbreaking situation i guess the best way to handle it was to alert the authorities but hard to know what id really do until i was faced with the situation.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
Yes it does. Knowing his backstory makes him more real and flawed not just an eccentric writer.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
Yes i do think books have that power. As a child books were my escape. I was introduced to new worlds and people. I also thought i was a master sleuth solving puzzles. I read lots of Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys, Agatha Christie, Enid Blyton.
The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - Day 1Chapters Prologue - 5
1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
Lucy: I had to keep reminding myself that she is supposed to be a grown-up because her statements make her sound very juvenile. There is a difference between being childlike and being childish and she definitely skews towards the latter at times. Also, when she talks about her childhood, she portrays herself as a victim which surprises me as she ought to have become more aware of the real circumstances as she became older.
Christopher: I haven’t really got a clear understanding of his personality other than that he has had some awful experiences in his life and that his foster family supposedly do not look after as they should be doing. I am hoping the further chapters will show us more of his backstory.
Hugo: He is the only character I feel we got a proper introduction to. Obviously, we haven’t learnt everything but we know that there is more to his story and that we will be learning about it in future chapters.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
“Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?”
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
This riddle reminded me of a similar one which made me feel that something happened to a girl/woman on the island, somebody who was like a daughter to Jack and also was loved by Hugo. I think that this is connected to what really caused Jack Masterson to stop writing which I am guessing is also connected to why he suddenly started writing again.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don’t think that he is saying that. My feeling is that Hugo is saying that sometimes, a person can think they want something and work towards it, reach their destination only to discover they were on the wrong path all long. Living in Greenwich Village was quite possibly what Hugo dreamed of and it turns out he was wrong and actually wanted or even needed an entirely different thing.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
That is the one thing I agree with Lucy on. Making wishes is simply a method of figuring out what we desire and that gives us the motivation to do what is needed to achieve them.
A favourite quote that I read many years ago says it better that I can. Thoreau said in his book Walden, “If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.”
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I am in two minds about this. One thought is that something has come to light connected to whatever happened in the past and Jack wants to force something to happen to solve that issue. The other is that like many other books, he is trying to find a worthy successor and this is his method of doing so. Whichever it is or even if it something entirely different, hopefully, the coming chapters with provide some enlightenment.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I don’t really know what to make of them at this point. Lucy rubs me the wrong way because I don’t really understand her point of view about her sister at this point. It just feels mean to dislike someone soley because they got a lot of attention because they were always sick. I need more information.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
Yes totally but I don’t know what it means yet.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Not really. I guess I never really had that same kind of success in my life. My dreams are still pretty far away.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I can see it both ways. Like I can see not wanting to get a child’s hopes up on something that’s absolutely not going to happen. For me I’m not sure if I would have told Christopher that I was going to be his caregiver unless I knew the possibility was a sure thing. But at the same time I can see not wanting to let a child feel like their life is hopeless or there is nothing to ever look forward to.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I wonder if he is dying. Or maybe he is looking for someone to carry on his legacy (probably getting that because this book is giving a lot of Willy Wonka vibes)
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
Am I the only one that thought it was kind of weird? Do kids want to read about an author’s editor breathing down their neck? Otherwise, I think it would have been pretty cool to receive a letter (especially a real one and not a form letter) from an author. I don’t think I would have run away to live with that author but I wasn’t the kind of kid who ever tried to run away anyway.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
It does sound kind of cool. I also like puzzles so the place does sound appealing.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I’m sure they are important but right now I find them to be distracting. Maybe after I complete the book I’ll go back and look at them again.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yes the author is obviously showing an attraction between the two of them. It weirds me out. I know they only met briefly and he’s like only 8 years older and she’s fully an adult now but it really weirds me out.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I cannot think of one book in specific but I’m sure that many have helped shape who I am today.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes I was screaming.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Because this book is giving strong Willy Wonka vibes I kept thinking of about in the movie when Charlie is offered money inexchange for the ever-lasting gobstopper. I hope this isn’t the case but it made me wonder if it was a test from Jack himself.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Haha no but besides Lucy they are all extremely one-dimensional. I wish the author would have given them more depth or even their own POVs.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
That is weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes?
Haha! No. But I love that you thought about Dino Island.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I would not have run away. It was a kind letter, but unwise in encouraging - however unwittingly - Lucy to run away.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
It sounds like it would be a fun place to visit. Don't think I'd want to live permanently on an island though.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they're to show us what was such an influence on Lucy, Christopher, and all his fans. There is probably some linkage going on between the 'extracts' and the rest of the plot, but I haven't been paying enough attention to catch it.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I absolutely expect a HEA between Lucy and Hugo, with Christopher being adopted. This is not a sad-ending kind of book.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like the characters so far. My favorite one at the moment is Christopher. I just want to get to know him more and love how his brain works.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
There's definitely going to be a connection but I'm not sure what it is. I'm interested to find out more.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Sometimes, you save and save for something in life but once you can achieve that then it's not the same anymore. I think it's always good to try to reach for the highest thing possible but also realize that you don't have to take that leap if you don't want to.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I like the wishing game she plays with him because it allows his imagination to grow. I don't necessarily think it gets his hopes up but allows him to imagine what life could be like. It also helps to build a trusting relationship with an adult in his life when he doesn't really have a lot of those.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I'm not sure. I'm curious as to where this is going.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
Lucy was in a bad place and someone reached out and offered her hope. In her state at that time, she did the only thing she thought was right. I don't think I would've ran away but I also wasn't in those shoes.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I like the setup of the island. I'm curious to know more.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are clues to the story but not sure what everything means just yet.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I think there is a connection to Hugo but not sure what that connection will be. I don't think they are going to be in a relationship but more like a friend/helper in time of need. Maybe help get Christopher later?
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Sure, books can change you, if you're open to it. Even if you disagree with an author's point, it can encourage empathy and understanding of why they think the way they do on that topic.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes, but only because I was reading. If I'd been listening to it (like the characters were), I'd have taken a lot longer. It's a bit like a cryptic crossword clue - and I am terrible at those - but I know to look for anagrams and letters in words and things like that.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
The City of Secondhand felt like a themepark to me, and I guess it was intended to be. Markham is absolutely a Slugworth type, but it remains to be seen if it's a test or a real thing. Both are realistic.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Not really, but it is reading very young.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like Lucy and Christopher so far. I'm not really sure what to make of Hugo or Jack yet.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I feel like it would be connected to the story, but I don't have any idea yet.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I think having a goal is good at motivating, but often when you reach that goal you can feel lost and therefore unmotivated until you find something new to focus on.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Lucy really wants to adopt Christopher so giving him hope is a good thing if she is really going to try and make it happen. If she were giving him hope without backing it up in any way then that could prove to be very harmful.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
The most obvious thing that comes to my mind is that he is dying or thinks he will die soon.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
His letter was fun and was probably something Lucy needed at the time. If I were Lucy, I may have run away too.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I would like to explore the island.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I feel like they relate to what will happen or what has happened.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I'm not sure how I feel about it. Larger age gaps are not as important as we get older and it doesn't seem that Hugo had any romantic attraction to Lucy when she was a child.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
This conversation was really thought provoking for me, I think giving up on dreams can definitely be a relief. Mainly, I think this can be true if your dreams aren't actually YOUR dreams and you are trying to impress someone, or make someone happy, or trying not to disappoint someone. Also, if you are just putting way too much pressure on yourself or the dream is just not feasible at that time in your life. Maybe the second part of that isn't quite giving up, but putting on hold.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
I wasn't entirely surprised by this. I think I would eventually be able to forgive her. I think we also have to give her some grace because she was also a child and was dealing with a lot. What she said to Lucy was awful, but had the parents not been so awful, I think they could've mended the relationship a lot earlier.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Ugh, that part drove me nuts. I assumed the name would come back for a later mention and it just bothers me that it didn't. Why even bring it up if you aren't going to tell us. I have no ideas about what they would've names it.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I liked that Jack still rewarded them all in personal and unique ways. Overall I guess I'm happy with the book's ending.
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do. I don't know that I can pinpoint any books that changed me or how, but I do think that they can. Sometimes the changes are microscopic but I do feel that they stick with you and change you in little ways that we don't even realize.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did. I thought it was very obvious, and was blown away at how difficult it was for everyone to figure out. I then realized that having the written words in front of me probably made it a lot easier.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I thought the City of Secondhand was interesting and would have loved to have seen more of the game/puzzles involving finding clues in these areas or doing more with the more whimsical areas of Clock Island. I thought Markham showing up like that just seemed very odd. I couldn't believe that he was able to just get into the house and slip a note under Lucy's door and then also was just able to wander around the island. Everything Jack says and does is so intentional, it surprises me that he wouldn't have a solid way to prevent a breach like this.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Not at all. I kept thinking of how fun it would be to do something like this as an adult... to sort of be a kid again.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I guess a lot of rich and famous people would find it beneath them and she would expect that they would have serving staff. There were a lot of parts like this that I thought were kind of strange.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
I think she definitely still has a chance to win. She seems like little setbacks kind of cause her to spiral sometimes, so I'm not sure how she'll do.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
Jack clearly is someone with a big heart. I think his intentions are good and he wants to help these kids. I think his words are often the only way he knows how to help and sometimes he takes giving them hope a little too far. It might be impossible for him to know who will act on those words, and obviously a lot of kids didn't... but I feel like when he has more than 1 kid show up at the island, he should probably figure out a way to stop even wistfully suggesting that they come live with him or be his assistant or child or whatever. I'm not sure how he would help all of the kids. Maybe set up a charity or something to help them or some sort of advocacy group.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
No, not really. I think it kind of made it all make a little more sense, but didn't really change anything about how I viewed or thought of him.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I absolutely think that books have that power. Books can be an escape or they can be a place to find yourself. I honestly can't think of any books off the top of my head that have specifically done this for me, but I also haven't experienced the kind of trauma that most of these characters have.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I haven’t really developed any definitive thoughts. I’m most intrigued by the elusive Jack. I’m also curious about the relationship between Lucy and Christopher (did she solely come to wanting to adopt him through being an aide at school?).
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I do believe the riddle is related to whatever happened 5 years ago. I’m super curious and have no guesses at this point though!
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I do not agree that success kills motivation. I felt there may have been more to the statement. Yes, he may now be able to afford it BUT time has passed and he may have changed as a person so what he wants may no longer be the same as what he wanted before.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
They both make sense. I think it depends on the child. Some are able to realize that just because they make a wish, that doesn’t necessarily mean it will come true. Others do not. I feel like Christopher has been let down quite a bit so maybe the wishing game actually is harmful and he will get his hopes up for something that won’t actually come true.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Great questions that I have absolutely no answers for. Hugo seems very surprised by this development. It almost has to tie into Christopher being an orphan I think.
The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - Day 2Chapters 6 - 11
6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I loved his letter, it was full of empathy and understanding mixed with humour. There have been many occasions in my life when I would have loved to receive something like that, though I would not have done anything like Lucy. Not just because it was quite foolish, it also requires a level of bravery that sadly I do not possess.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Clock Island is a beautifully designed place. I like that it has slightly darker sections and isn’t all candy and rainbows and kittens. I would not only love to visit such a place, it would be the perfect place for me to live.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think that they are acting as hints to what has happened and what is to come.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I hope so because they would suit each other very well. Both of them need people who appreciate them and support them. The age gap between them is negligible and would only have come into question if the relationship had started at their first meeting.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with this quote. When I was going through a rough patch, it was comforting to read books where characters went through something similar and things got better.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I did not. I'm listening to this book as an audiobook so it didn't really give me much time to think about it.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Hopefully just a sleezy lawyer, but there may be more to it.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, but I have to remind myself that they are older than I keep thinking.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Maybe he has just been alone too long.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Yes!
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
First of all this is a reread for me and it is just as good 2nd time around
Lucy - she has had a difficult life but this doesn’t dispel her kindheartedness
Chris - is smart as a cookie and trusts Lucy completely
Hugo - he is very protective
Jack - I love his eccentricity
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I can’t remember
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
No I don’t, if you succeed at something other things motivate you. Motivation is individual to the person
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
This is about building hopes and dreams. Games that inspire hopes and dreams are healthy and motivate a person to succeed in whatever they choose to do
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I can’t remember
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
The letter was lovely and a kind gesture from Jack. I don’t think I would have run away though
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find the island fascinating and would love to be able to visit
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are important to the story else they wouldn’t be there
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I agree there will be a deeper connection but I don’t think there is an issue given that they have had no contact for years. It would be different if Hugo had remained in contact with Lucy as a child.
Day 2: Chapters 6-116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I wouldn’t have done what Lucy did, but it was a lovely letter. He seems like a kind man who meant well. He read all those letters and took the time to reply back.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I would love to finish the island. It sounds amazing, beautiful, and whimsical. The way the author described it makes me interested in it and you can see why people don’t want to leave.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I like that it starts with a passage from the book because you can get a sense of the tone and style of the book series that these characters were reading as children. I think reading the quotes and passage gave me a better sense of what made this such a beloved series for these characters and why it was special to them. Not having it, definitely wouldn’t have had the impact as actually experiencing it.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
It definitely seems like Hugo’s going to be a love interest. In general, I’m usually not a fan of romance subplots in stories, but we’ll see. They usually seem like it’s forced but I’m still enjoying the book so far. It doesn’t bother me that he first met her as a child because it was so brief and almost forgettable. They just met in passing and nothing happened.
Day 3: Chapters 12-1710. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I absolutely agree with this. I have read books that’s had a big impact on me and has changed me, especially books I read as a child. I grew up with Nancy Drew books and mysteries are still my favorite genres. Reading The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn as a child made me interested in history and fall in love with the classics. That book has some sentimental value to me because it made me discover that even children’s book can still cover really important social issues.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I’m horrible with riddles and puzzle. I didn’t even try to guess what it was. I assumed it would be a riddle only the characters could solve.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Markham does sound like a sleazy lawyer and it’s quite sinister. I can understand why Lucy is tempted because it would solve her financial issues and help her get Christopher. It’s a deep moral issue because she’ll absolutely benefit from it, but she also loves the Clock Island books. And it’s something that she loved so much, she wanted to share it, including the newest book. She knows how devastating it would be if this was taken from other readers. It felt like she was being tested and kind of reminded me of Wonka.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, I didn’t have that issue. The characters felt like adults to me, nothing weird to me. They just reminisce about their childhood a lot. There are also parts that show they have lost their child-like approaches in life.
Day 4: Chapters 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
She’s not going to underestimate the other contestants. I feel like after she won the first riddle, she had a lot of confidence that she could win the whole challenge. This is a wake-up call that they are all fans of the Clock Island books and are very motivated to try as hard as possible. She still has a chance to win though. I think her fear will be related to her relationship with her family. I can see her getting back in touch with them after being estranged from them for years. Or her fear can be able losing the chance to foster Christopher or a deep fear of being a bad mother.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
It’s hard to say what you or Jack would have done after the fact. You can’t predict that the child would be so desparate to run away that she would try swim to the island. Jack’s heart is obviously in the right place.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I was kind of worried Jack would turn how to be a more sinister character, like Wonka. But this reassured me that what you see is what you get with Jack. He’s means well and tries to be a good person.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think books can bring some comfort to people. Reading has elements of escapism and taking your mind off what’s stressing you. So I do believe books can do this. Off the top of my head, though, I can’t think of a particular book that helped me through a tough time.
The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - Day 3Chapters 12 - 17
10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?”
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I absolutely agree! Books are a great way to experience multiple lives and each one teaches us not just about the world around us but also about ourselves.
There are too many books to list here.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Funnily enough I did solve it but then thought that my answer was much too simple and that it was going to be something much more mysterious.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I loved the description of the City of Second Hand. It made me wish all the more that the Clock Island did exist and could be visited. As for Markham, at first I thought he was also a test but after hearing everybody else’s experiences realised that he was just another person trying to get their hands on the book.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
Yes. I think that feel comes partly because of the way Jack sees them as the children they were.
Some other thoughts:
Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I can totally understand Lucy’s reaction. It isn’t Hugo who is giving himself airs but rather Lucy who is amazed that somebody, who has achieved the level of fame that he has, is bringing her dinner to her. I think that more than the fame, it is that he is one of her favourite artists. She even talks about having his artwork on her bedroom wall for many years. I would probably think the same if something like that happened to me. It isn’t odd, just completely unexpected, sort of like going to Graceland and having Elvis Presley show up with a platter of sandwiches.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I think books have the power to really hit someone deep and lead them certain ways depending on the topic/season of life. If you're having a rough day, maybe a happy romance or if you're troubled with work, you may need a psychological thriller to put your mind somewhere else. Whenever I get in a funk, I just want a light fun romance just to fall in the story with those characters and it takes my brain away from whatever is bothering it.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
It took me a couple times reading it but I finally got it. I was surprised more of the people didn't figure it out.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I've finished the book but at that point I felt it was a hit of something ahead.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, because I think the games that they are doing could be for either adults or children.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Yeah, I think this part was weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
I didn't read the backroom books.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I think the characters are good so far with distinct personalities and motivations. I do feel that Lucy is very attached Christopher and I don't know if there is more to it. I am eager for a love story as well.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I do think it is related but have no idea what it can possibly mean.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
This might not be the case always. Success can lead to more motivation till someone burns out or faces something which destroys the meaning of the success altogether.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
It is never wrong to hope for something good and want good things/miracles to happen. This reinforces a positive mindset. Hopes are good until they become obsessions.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Lol, no idea. He seems like a guy who does whatever and whenever he wants.
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I like them all. It's a very sweet so far, and there is nothing to dislike about any of them. I do wonder what is wrong with Lucy's parents though. I hope we learn more there.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I have never beeen good with riddles. My brain is far too literal. Besides, I always find out without having to rack my brain, someone else will get it or the answer will be given. I never wanted to be the one to figure it out.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
As I have never been successful, I wouldn't know. However, motivation is something within, there are always new heights to climb, new ways to push oneself. One could be the richest person on the planet but there's still the strongest, the smartest, the kindest, the most loved, etc. Ambitions need to change when goals are met. That's why it's so much easier to keep expectations low! 😂😂😂
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
It's a bit of both. It's very easy for children with hard-knock lives to lose the beauty and magic of hope. If basic needs like safety, love and nourishment aren't being met, what is the likelihood of anything greater coming one's way. So it's good that Lucy encourages that wonderful part of childhood, the part that can dream. For her as an adult, I think it's more the social worker's side. But as her teacher friend pointed out anything could happen and one's circumstances could instantly change. Unlikely but possible.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Maybe he is dying and wants to do something good for someone once less fortunate. When I speculate, i like to keep it morbid. 🫤
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
No, I think it was too much of a risk. The maximum I ran away from my house as a kid was just past the gate, having packed my bag with some shawls and handkerchiefs haha.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
Yes, love it! I would love to visit such a fantasy as a well.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they are important and would tie up at the end to something. I can't figure out yet what is it.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Haha, initially, obviously that seems inappropriate but now that they are both grown up, why not. I wonder if there's more to who Lucy is and her sister's story tying up to everything.
DQ's Day 4 Ch. 18-2314. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
It shouldn't really impact her as all the remaining players get to realise they are enjoying the game itself than the fear of losing. And well, since Jack likes underdogs, it had to be the fact that she was one of them. Hmm, I wonder if she has to face her parents .
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
It becomes a problem when you get overly attached. / emotionally involved in your work and not start respecting the norm. He should have dealt with it better. I would have been utterly devastated but probably sought some outside help to neutralise the situation.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
I did know he was facing monsters of his own. He grew as a character.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I do believe books are incredibly powerful. They can be your best friends. Being an only child, they have been a great support system to me. Like with books, loneliness what? Even today books help me out of many situations where I feel stuck.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I see why Lucy ran away to see him but I would not have.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think it's pretty interesting. I love islands though and it has a beach so that would be enough to lure me in! But it also sounds like a neat place to explore.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I definitely think they tie in somehow. I'm not sure how at this point but there is meaning for certain.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I actually thought there was some sort of romantic flirtation going on between the two of them and I was trying to work the math in my head to see their age difference (now and then). While Hugo seems kind of standoffish, there's something about him that is intriguing and mysterious. Why is he staying on the island??
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5)1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I enjoyed the characters so far. I really liked Jack and Hugo and their interactions at this point. Lucy seemed a little naive to me.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
This is a reread for me so I won't speculate :)
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I don't think success kills motivation. I think success creates a different type of motivation. People want a life they don't have and that drives them to be better. Once they have it, they want something different.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
I agree with both. Giving hope without being realistic just gets their hopes up. Lucy isn't being honest with Christopher and if she was he wouldn't get his hopes up in being a family with her.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
Reread :)
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I thought his letter was very sweet. He tried so hard to undo the damage Lucy's parents have done to her. He wanted her to know someone cared for her and wanted the best for her. At 13 and in that home environment, maybe. I can't say for sure as I don't know how I would have handled something like that.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think it is very fascinating and I would love to visit it. It's so cool how Jack found an island to represent his books. It's probably part of what makes him such a good writer as he truly lives in his story.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think it's very important. The quotes seem to match what is going on with the story at the time. I think it pulls the writer into the story more as the Clock Island books are not just made up books but stories they have actually read a piece of.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Reread :)
I have no problem with this as they are both adults now and a few minutes spent with someone as a child doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of life.
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DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I love Jack. His letter was brilliant. I was never the running away type, but if I was, I would have run to his island. I also like that he just couldn't ignore it and that he reads all his mail. He's like JK Rowling, before the hate. It would be so much mail.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
It's all a bit Wonderland like, so yeah, I love it. It's fab.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I am not sure that it wil have any significant meaning. But it is nice to get a feel for the beloved books and world. So far we've only gotten Astrid, cos she is our mc's heroine, but i like learning about the other characters who her fellow contestants are likened to. Back to the question, no not important but a little fun.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
Yeah, that is kind of weird. That he met her so young. But, she is grown and he hardly remembers 13 year old her. Also, wasn't he quite young. Obviously, an adult, but it wasn't like he was 25 or 30. Im just trying to say it's not creepy. It's not like he really knew her.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes, I read a book to stop smoking and another to stop eating sugar. They both worked. And the best part, it was easy! So yea, unequivocally I can say a book changed my life.
Although, I appreciate this is not often how people mean it. I read I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings and The Fountainhead, both because people told me these books changed their lives. I was touched my Angelou. It was beautiful and heartbreaking, but not life changing. The Rand book just sucked.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yes! I said in the day 1 dq that I am not really that into riddles, but I actually got it straigh away. Granted, I am looking at the words, so that was a big help. But i felt like preening.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
How did he get into the house and put a letter under the door? As I typed that, I realised there must be other people working on site whilst the contest is happening. Jack ain't going clean and feed four others. So probs not sinister, just a little extra for a maid.
I loved the secondhand city! I wanted to make all those cute storm seller bottle. Think i will.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, because me wanting Lucy and Hugo to hook up would be weird. I like that jack treats them as such though.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
Probably one would assume staff would do it?
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
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1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I warmed to Lucy and Christopher right away, rooting for their relationship. I wasn't sure what to make of Hugo at first, or frankly how long he'd be around.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I've since read the entire book and know the answer, but at first I did assume it might be related. Didn't guess the daughter part, though.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
Perhaps to an extent. When you achieve your goals or find great success, you may not have the same drive or hunger as before.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
It's never wrong to dream!
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I really wasn't sure why he started writing again (at this point we didn't know why he'd stopped). I thought the motive might be simply for the publicity since there'd been a long break since the last book. But this also brought to mind The Inheritance Games, and as others have said, Willy Wonka.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 116. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I wouldn't have. I was a big dreamer as a child, but not brave enough to have attempted something like that!
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I think it sounds like a pretty cool place, but if Jack's books were real and I'd grown up with them, I could certainly see the appeal a lot more.
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
It seems to perhaps be weaving together some of Jack's stories with the events that are taking place.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I thought that pretty early on, yes. And I have no issue with it... it was a teen and young adult, and nothing inappropriate happened at their incredibly brief meeting in the past. And they're both adults now.
DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I agree... we are all affected by the books, art, music, and connections we experience.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I guessed it right about when Lucy was getting it... her clues and talking it out helped me.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Definitely sleazy! I was worried about Lucy going out there, hoping nothing bad would happen. The little village certainly would have been cool to see for fans of the books.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
For whatever reason, I really didn't. Possibly because they had adult problems.
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I took that to mean, Lucy thought it was beneath his status, like she expected he would have better things to do, and perhaps a servant should bring it or she could take care of herself.
Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
Not quite sure that I believe this, I do understand how following your dreams can put undue pressure and stress on a person.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
As we get older we learn to forgive easier than bear a grudge
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
Not sure if the name but I suspect the author may have plans for a follow up book
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
The way it ended allowed everyone to follow their dream and allowed Jack to meet his promise to them
The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - Day 4Chapters 18 - 23
14. Lucy's winning streak comes to an end and she loses the riddle to Melanie. How do you think this is going to affect her and the way she is playing the game? Do you think she still has a chance to win? What do you think she is going to have to face as far as her fear?
Lucy seems to be quite resilient and I think that while this will give her a scare, she will eventually pull herself together and carry on with focused drive that she has proven herself to possess. Being one of the main protagonists, my guess is that she will eventually win despite a few losses here and there. As for what she will have to face as her fear, that is pretty evident. It has to be something to do with her self-esteem and her belief that she is unloveable. I think it will have something to do with her family, maybe she will have to finally confront them and sort out their relationship.
15. Jack's riddle comes back again "Two men on an island and both blame the water...". We find out what it means in this section. How awful for him to see 'fan' letters that depict children going through such terrible things and how horrible for those poor children begging for help. Jack tried to help this girl and it ended with the worst possible outcome. Do you think Jack should have done something different? How would you have reacted if you were Jack?
I think that Jack did whatever he could. If anybody is to blame, it is the authorities who were given the letters but who did not do anything. Also, I’m surprised that she made it all the way onto the ferry without anybody becoming suspicious of this teenage girl travelling alone. Yes, Jack made the mistake of telling the girl that he wished he could take her to Clock Island but that is absolutely understandable. It was so obviously in the heat of the moment and had completely innocent reasons. I have a feeling that in his shoes, I would have reacted almost the same way but I would probably have taken into consideration that children and most teenagers do not always understand figurative speech, platitudes and such but tend to take things literally. Also, I would have created all kinds of hell until the authorities did something about the situation.
16. We also learn why Jack started writing his Clock Island books and the life he faced as a child. Does this change your opinion on Jack in any way?
The extent to which Jack empathises with these children going through such horrible experiences tells me that he had something similarly awful happen in his life. While I sympathise with him, I also feel that he needed to be more careful of the things he said and did as their effects could be quite devastating. His naïveté may have been a strength when it came to his writing but it was also the cause of disaster in real life.
17. Lucy learns that Christopher is going to be going to a new foster home and tries to leave the island but Hugo stops her. We also learn more about Lucy's past. Each person seems to have gone through some terrible event in their lives and these books have helped them through it. Do you believe books have that power? Are there any books as a child or an adult that have helped you through a tough time in your life?
I think that all creative arts help us to understand our emotions and learn how to deal with them. I find that books, in particular, help by showing us people going through similar experiences as those we are going through.
When I was first diagnosed with endometriosis, I was completely at sea and had no clue what I could do to make things better. Nobody around me had any idea what this condition was and every time I did any research about it, I got even more scared about what I could expect to happen. At the time, I read a book, not a particularly good book, but the protagonist had been diagnosed with endometriosis as well. While I had got all the scientific information by them, what really helped me with the book was finding somebody else, albeit a fictional somebody, who was going through the same emotional upheavals and realising that like this character, I was also going be alright eventually.
The Wishing Game by Meg Shaffer - Day 5Chapters 24 - End
18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
Giving up on a dream can bring such relief, relief that we can finally drop this burden and carry on feeling lighter. But sadly, that regret is very temporary and always followed by regret. Regret that just a few more steps lugging that load would have brought us to our goal and the knowledge that it was fear making the load heavier and that it would have been better to only offload the fear.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
Throughout the time Lucy’s family was being described, the word that kept coming up in my mind was “Munchausen’s”. This feeling kept rising as well as that there was something else behind all that had happened within her family, and learning Angie’s side proved them right. Definitely not immediately but later, I would have forgiven Angie. She was just as much of a victim of their parents’ abuse. In fact, from certain angles I think she was more so as Lucy at the very least got to live quite a normal life with people who loved her while Angie was stuck being brainwashed and, by all definitions, tortured by their parents.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I don’t think the name is important, I think the message that they were planning on starting the nonprofit was what we were meant to focus on. As for what name the author had in mind, I have absolutely no clue!
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
I was expecting the book to end the way it did so I wasn’t very surprised there. I wish that we had been given a better understanding of each of the characters. I did not feel like we got to know them or their backgrounds properly. The other thing I was not very keen on is that while the book is marketed for adults, it had a very middle-grade feel about it. Though having read an interview of the author where she describes her writing as “middle-grade books for adults”, I understand it now.
(FYI: Los Angeles Public Library’s Interview With an Author: Meg Shaffer - https://lapl.org/collections-resource...)
DQs Day 310. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I absolutely agree with this quote. There are so many things in life that touch our lives and change us. Books can be there for us in good and bad times. I don’t have anything that comes to mind right now.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
This is a reread but no I didn’t get the riddle the first time. This time it was easy to see.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I thought it was weird and only there to give it creepy Willy Wonka vibes. It didn’t give anything to the story.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, not at all. I think it’s a way for the author to show that Jack thinks of them as his kids still.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
I thought it was more so about the fact he was waiting on her in general.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
Discussion Questions : Day 1 (Prologue - Chapter 5) 1. We have been introduced to a few important characters - Lucy, Christopher, and Hugo. Plus the off-page persona of Jack. What do you think of the characters so far?
I am really enjoying the character building so far. While Hugo seems a bit mysterious, as a teacher, I love the bond that Christopher and Lucy have.
2. We get a riddle right away in the Prologue:
"Two men on an island and both blame the water
for the loss of a wife and the death of a daughter
but neither ever married, and neither's a father.
What is the secret of the girls and the water?"
Then Hugo thinks to himself that "Five years ago, it [the ocean] had brought low the small, strange kingdom of Clock Island." Do you think the riddle is related to what happened five years ago? Any speculations on what it all means, assuming you haven't read ahead?
I'm admittedly very bad at riddles. I have a feeling that it does refer to what happened five years ago, but only time will tell.
3. At the beginning of Chapter Two, Hugo says that he used to dream about living in Greenwich Village, but now that he can actually afford it, it doesn't hold the same appeal. He basically says that success kills motivation. Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not?
I'm not sure that success kills motivation, but I do think that at low times, you have grand dreams. When the time comes to fulfill those dreams, you may realize that they aren't so grand anymore.
4. What do you think of the wishing game Lucy plays with Christopher? Do you think this game and mindset are healthy? Do you agree with Lucy that it gives them hope, or do you agree with the social worker that it just gets their hopes up?
Although he has had a rough childhood thus far, I think the wishing game is great for Christopher. What child in this situation wouldn't wish for a happy home to live? I don't think it's getting his hopes up. I think it is, in fact, giving him hope for the future.
5. Why do you think Jack finally started writing again? And what might be his motive in holding a contest for the only copy of the new book?
I think Jack may be sick and wants to finish the series with one last hurrah. What better way to do it than to hold a contest.
DQs Day 2 Chapter 6 - 11 6. Jack replied to Lucy's letter and Lucy decided to run away from home. What did you think of his letter and would you have done the same as Lucy?
I think his response is just his style of writing. I definitely would not have run away.
7. We get more insights on Clock Island. Every 'hour' is its own section like for example a beach. Would you like to visit the island? Do you find the idea of it fascinating or could you not care less?
I find this island fascinating. I would absolutely love to visit it!
8. Every part starts with a quote from Jack's book. Do you think these parts are important for the story? Just showing off Jack's work? Something else?
I think they might have something to do with the riddles that we keep reading about throughout the book excerpts.
9. It seems like there will be a deeper connection between Lucy and Hugo. Do you agree? And would you approve of it given that Hugo had first met her when she was still a child?
I'm up in the air about this relationship. I do agree that there is something going on, but I can't figure out what will happen with it yet.
DQs Day 3: 10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
There are absolutely books that have changed me. Each time I finish a profound book, I have to take time to think it through and discuss with someone who has had a similar experience.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I was very proud of myself that I had figured this out before Lucy announced her answer. :)
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I thought Markham was a terrible addition to the story. I have to say that I think something more sinister is going on. Afterall, how did he end up on the island without Jack or Hugo knowing about it?
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, I haven't thought of them as children. I do think that Jack, though, will continue to need this reminder.
DQs Day 5 — ch 24-end18. Jack and Lucy have an emotional discussion about dreams — and how giving up on dreams can be a relief as it’s one less thing to worry about. Do you think there’s any truth in this? Can giving up on a dream ever bring relief?
I think there is truth to that statement. Giving up on something you have been holding onto forever is a relief when it's not meant to be yours. Some times we hold on to things we think we should keep even when we've outgrown them.
19. We finally got to meet Angie and learn her side of the story! Were you surprised by what she had to say? If you were Lucy, do you think you would be able to forgive her after hearing her side?
How sad this relationship just began and it will start right where they left it - with Angie being sick. That made me so sad for them. I would have forgiven her because I feel that being angry is useless. Either let people go or forgive them. Life is too short.
20. Lucy mentions that she and Jack are planning to start a nonprofit to send books to foster children, but just as she’s about to say the prospective name, she gets cut off. Why do you think the author chose to leave that out? What name do you think the author had in mind, if any?
I think it was just that the author didn't have a name LOL I would love a sequel but I didn't see that when I was reading the ending.
21. In the end, even though the contest ended unlike how any of them predicted, everyone still got their wish. Since this book is all about wishing — is there anything you wish was different about the way the book ended, or are you happy with how it all wrapped up?
The only wish I have for this book is that I wish the Clock Island books were real! I would love to read them!
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DQs Day 3:10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
I do agree with the quote somewhat. There have been passages in books that have caught my attention and moved me. I wouldn't go as far as saying they changed my personality but they certainly caused me to pause and reflect.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
Yep! Got it almost immediately but the Billie Dee Williams 3 times in sealed the deal for me.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
Not sure what to think. I kept thinking of Slugworth in Willy Wonka and feeling like this was a similar situation.
13. Do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
No, not really. Although Dustin seems like child and I was glad when Hugo told Jack to bring in the ferry to remove him from the island.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆
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10. We read something that moves us, touches us, speaks to us and it... it changes us?"
Do you agree with that quote? Are there any books that changed you personally?
Yes I agree with that quote. There are some writers that can move me to tears with the way they can evoke emotion for me. For me books are escapism and i love that books can make me feel different emotions. There are some writers I reach for when I want to feel comfort - two are Sarah Addison Allan and Stephen King.
11. We finally get the first riddle. Did you guess it before Lucy did?
I didnt but I thought it had something to do with words and how they appeared or the relationship between the words.
12. What did you think of The City of Secondhand and of Markham showing up like that? Is he just a sleezy lawyer, or is there something more sinister going on?
I think he is a sleazy lawyer but wonder how it managed to get on the island without being detected. Was he a plant to test contestants to see who would go for the big payout.
13. do you have to keep reminding yourself that the "contestants" are adults, not children?
I dont think of them as children.
Some other thoughts:
- Why would someone being a "famous artist" mean it's odd for them to bring a guest their dinner? I found this rather a lot weird.
- One for the backroom BOM regulars: Did the whole bizarre scarf thing give anyone else Hot Prof and Daisy vibes? 😆