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Maven or Cal???
Definitely Maven :)
Kayla wrote: "Definitely Maven :)"Maven is a secret keeper but he's a good/bad person, yet everyone is like that in their own way. I would actually, now that I think about it. Neither. I choose neither of them. It would be too hard to choose.
McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Frida wrote: "Haha omg maybe I'm a messed up kid, or is it just me who thinks that everything Maven has done is cruel yes, but it make him so fucking sexy, like I what..."Yea, I do feel bad for Maven too, but do you think he deserves to be with Mare after all he has done?
If any of you have read Divergent and love Four with Tris- I won't say his real name in case you are in the process of reading Divergent-but you hate Cal with Mare, then I don't know what to say. The predicament is pretty much the same for both couples, they are being torn apart by the wars happening in their lives, but both couples still try to love each other! Four has saved Tris plenty of times, and Cal has saved Mare plenty of times. There are so many similarities and I ship both! TeamCal! XD
Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Frida wrote: "Haha omg maybe I'm a messed up kid, or is it just me who thinks that everything Maven has done is cruel yes, but it make him so fucking ..."Like I said in previous posts, I don't ship Maven and Mare. I really don't ship anybody. I don't care about (or like) the romance in the series enough to do so.
In my opinion, Mare is better off on her own. Without all the romance in the way, she's a way better MC. While it's nice to have and be with someone, Mare doesn't absolutely need to end up with someone in the end. So there.
(Tbh, screw Team Maven and Team Cal. What about Team Mare?)
Also, I don't care whether he's good enough for her or deserves to be with her. While I do like/love some of the other characters, Maven is who I care about (and love) the most. Especially now that the series is wrapping up and anything could happen at this point.
That's all I really have left to say about this whole thing.
McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Frida wrote: "Haha omg maybe I'm a messed up kid, or is it just me who thinks that everything Maven has done is cruel yes, but it make hi..."Lol. I don't know how you don't care for the romance in the series! I literally cried over it! You probably are just that type that doesn't like romance. I have a friend at my school like that; she thinks the romance in all of my books is absurd. Anyway, what do you think will happen in War Storm?
Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Abby wrote: "McKenzie wrote: "Frida wrote: "Haha omg maybe I'm a messed up kid, or is it just me who thinks that everything Maven has done is cruel ye..."I actually love romance. It's my favorite genre. I just don't care for the romance in this series. And as for War Storm, the only sure thing I know will happen is there are going to be some major deaths happening.
Without a single doubt in my mind, 100% Team Maven!!! To be honest sometimes I find myself a little bored when he's not on the scene. I like Cal, but he makes so many awful decisions that he drives me insane. Maven has done plenty of awful things too, but many of them, after I thought it over, I realized that he had no choice, while Cal often does have the luxury of a choice. I mean, Maven's mother was in his head since he was born, and she had her plan set out for him before he was born. How is he supposed to even think about escaping her horrible plans for him? He even tried doing things his mother didn't approve of, for Mare, all of which didn't work out. I don't think Maven and Mare should end up together, considering everything that's happened, but I can see why he was desperate to have her back. She was literally the last person he could see as a friend. Besides, Maven has done so much more for the better of Norta than Cal would have ever done if he had become king. Maven has actually helped more Reds than Cal has so far. Cal would have just been another Tiberias in a long history of Tiberias's.I just feel so bad for everything Maven has had to go through, for his entire life, and now he's all alone, with nothing but his broken mind for company. It's worst than what Mare has had to go through, and she has gone through a LOT. I'm hoping that SOMEONE out there will rescue Maven from all this horror in the next book. He's just so precious, I can't stand to see anything horrible happen to him!!!
Gabi wrote: "Without a single doubt in my mind, 100% Team Maven!!! To be honest sometimes I find myself a little bored when he's not on the scene. I like Cal, but he makes so many awful decisions that he drives..."MAVEN...HELP...the REDS!?! I don't think so! Did you not read about the part where he killed thousands of newbloods and innocents just to get Mare back?! And it sure did take him a while to come to peace with the Lakelands, which means that the Reds were still up on the front lines. He was also the one that decided he would just go ahead and lower the conscription age to 15!!! HARSH! Maven is an interesting character and makes the story intriguing, but that doesn't mean I like him. Also, I know it is Elara's -not his- fault that he is evil, but Maven is still a monster. It certainly doesn't mean he is a good person either! Team Cal ya'll. XD
replying to everyone (XD):I think of it this way; every story has a villain, and this series' is Elara/Maven (oof I'm sorry I like just started the 2nd book please don't kill me ;0; im such a newbie still so I probably don't know as much as you :((). But, what if Elara HADN'T made him follow in her footsteps—he'd be a completely different person, like the Maven Mare was introduced to in the beginning. I compare that Maven to Cal. And I'm Team Maven because Maven is more of an intriguing character. Just, take a moment and think about it like that... :)
(but honestly, even though Maven's the villain, he's still my fave. #TeamMaven XD)
Abby wrote: "Gabi wrote: "Without a single doubt in my mind, 100% Team Maven!!! To be honest sometimes I find myself a little bored when he's not on the scene. I like Cal, but he makes so many awful decisions t..."(view spoiler)
I do like Cal a lot, though, so I'm hoping he's nicer to the Reds in the next book, especially after all the Scarlet Guard have done for him.
I've only read the first and I'm halfway through the second. Honestly, I am torn between them for Mare but I happen to like Maven better.
I think that ultimately she needs to find someone willing to resolve themselves to a more humble life. has the potential to be call if he can come to the realization of whether the life he has chosen so far is what he really wants or if it is what everyone wants for him. My impression right now and maybe someone else's impression is that he has some much time accumulated in the royal life and having their opinions weighed on him, take that and also having the relaxation that his father just passed and was taken from him at his hand, a long with his mother's previous passing. Cal very well deserves a couple years of calm in my opinion. The whole community does. But he would have to come to that realization himself and quickly because if he takes too long then we may just se the guard over throw him.
Maven is really a wild card. With everything. At one point I saw the valid reason to hate and despise him for continuing to be treachorus after his mothers passing. But in thinking about that for awhile, well, it makes sense. When someone that has been influencing you for so long abruptly leaves your life- there is no "grief handbook" there is nothing saying that everyone has to get over things as quickly as others. And while I would like to think that in this instance of being free of a voice of control in my head that I would be relieved. His situation was much, much more long term than anything that I have yet to experience. So I do understand Maven. And slowly we can see his realizations that he is comming to (now of his own accord) and it seems like he is starting to understand as well.
But no one can deny that he has still been doing some bat(crap) crazy things of late so- I am going to say that I am tentatively interested in seeing how Aveyard doesn't screw this up.
BUT GOD PLEASE DONT PULL A DAMN Suzanne Collins and go killing off someone that you don't need to kill!
We need to have some sort of killing cap on YA authors that says "Past this many deaths- and I gotta put cha into the adult section, sorry" jkjkjkk ;)
KenKen wrote: "replying to everyone (XD):I think of it this way; every story has a villain, and this series' is Elara/Maven (oof I'm sorry I like just started the 2nd book please don't kill me ;0; im such a new..."
Mmmm, you miiiiiight just change your mind about Maven once you finish the third book.
Hope wrote: "I think that ultimately she needs to find someone willing to resolve themselves to a more humble life. has the potential to be call if he can come to the realization of whether the life he has cho..."
Yea, I swear, if she pulls a Veronica Roth with Mare, I. will. DIE!!! DXDXDX
Abby wrote: "Hope wrote: "I think that ultimately she needs to find someone willing to resolve themselves to a more humble life. has the potential to be call if he can come to the realization of whether the li..."
Exactly! jeez. Putting these authors back in their place.
I'm kind of conflicted. Even though Maven completely betrayed Mare, there are still parts in the book where his innocent, boyish self still shows. I think that at heart, he really loves Mare. Cal also seems to really love her. But honestly, I think I'm clinging on to the possibility of Marven (Mare and Maven)
Wow I'm reading through the comments and I had no idea that there was so many Maven shippers!!!!
There is no rational reason to ship Mare and Maven. For God sakes, Maven kills babies! Set the bar a little higher people. Cal may not talk much but who cares! Team Cal <3
Bianca wrote: "Maven all the way like after his betrayal I was like, 'I fell in love with you and you betrayed me and the worst part is I still love you'.I will always love Maven now that his evil I love him even..."
You get me on a personal level
You get me on a personal level
Kalena wrote: "fumi wrote: "Also, I never took liking for Cal because he seems to be this typical Prince character. Yes, I find Maven more interesting because he developed into what the dark souled misguided pers..."
Yes, I agree, if put in the right situation Mare could bring him back to the light
Yes, I agree, if put in the right situation Mare could bring him back to the light
MARE PLUS CAL! TEAM CAL! CALARE! YEA!
Love Cal, really do. But Maven, there is something broken with him that i want it to be repaired
Totally cal all the way cause he is so hot and nice so ya!
Siobhany wrote: "Totally cal all the way cause he is so hot and nice so ya!"Nicely said
Leahest Leah wrote: "Cal, all the way. I was on Cal's team the first moment he entered the story. What really sold me though, was the dance lessons." Oh my god so true.....Team Cal!!!
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MAVEN ALL THE WAY (even tho he was a jerk at the end)
Katie wrote: "MAVEN ALL THE WAY (even tho he was a jerk at the end)"Give me 3 reasons why you choose Maven.
Abby wrote: "Katie wrote: "MAVEN ALL THE WAY (even tho he was a jerk at the end)"Give me 3 reasons why you choose Maven."
I honestly don't know I just love him
(Contains spoilers)I loved Maven so, SO much! But his betrayal broke my heart and I spent 2 days trying not to cry about it. I eventually got over him once I started the 2nd book and decided that maybe Shade is my favorite now, even though I still miss him so much. I always knew that Mare would end up with Cal, but I still wish Maven and Mare were together. It was so heart-breaking for me, even though I knew it would possibly happen that way (Because of Julian's "He is his mother's son")
I am torn also. I love both the characters so much. There's something so mysterious about both of them that makes them so fun to read.
PercyPotter_Bookworm wrote: "(Contains spoilers)I loved Maven so, SO much! But his betrayal broke my heart and I spent 2 days trying not to cry about it. I eventually got over him once I started the 2nd book and decided that..."
I still haven't gotten over his betrayal! I remember when I was reading the scene and my jaw dropped open. After I finished that chapter I had to sit there for a moment and let it sink in. He's still my favorite character though! No other character can take his place for me (although I'm a huge fan of Shade and Farley).
Shadowhunter wrote: "I am torn also. I love both the characters so much. There's something so mysterious about both of them that makes them so fun to read."It's even more fun when they're both in a scene together! I'm hoping that will happen a lot more in the last book.
Gabi wrote: "PercyPotter_Bookworm wrote: "(Contains spoilers)I loved Maven so, SO much! But his betrayal broke my heart and I spent 2 days trying not to cry about it. I eventually got over him once I started ..."
Oh my stars, same! It took me a long time to get over him, and even now I miss him when he was the "shadow". (Spoiler Alert) I loved Shade too and thought that maybe I should replace Shade as my favorite, but Glass Sword really broke me apart.
CAL FOREVER!!!!! i have read all the books atleast 6 times each and i know that it should always be mare and cal forever. Even thought he is not the king anymore i really dont care. Mare doesnt need to be the red queen as longs as she has cal by her side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Viky wrote: "CAL FOREVER!!!!! i have read all the books atleast 6 times each and i know that it should always be mare and cal forever. Even thought he is not the king anymore i really dont care. Mare doesnt nee..."Thank you, thank you so much fellow Calare fan.
i want mare to end up with maven and cal with evangeline. but in 2nd book i ship cal and cameron. because she's just like evangeline, minus her political agenda.
I love Maven & Cal!!!!!I cant choose one
Fatimah wrote: "I love Maven & Cal!!!!!I cant choose one"
Thank you! It's so nice that you like both of them. Most readers have either joined Maven's side or Cal's, but I'm a fan of both! Personally I prefer Maven, but I want them both to live in the end!
Cal is bae so it will always be him.(My friend said Kilorn, WHAT?????)
I love Maven as a villain. I think he is an amazing and perfectly portrayed villain, but not a friend, not an ally, and definitely not Mare's lover. I love CAL as a misunderstood hero in a complicated situation, stuck between two choices. He really, really loves Mare, and.......I SHIP THEM WITH ALL OF MY HEART!!!
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Never thought that i'd have to make a decision this hard..... I can't choose.
Sydney wrote: "Never thought that i'd have to make a decision this hard..... I can't choose."Let me help you....the answer is Cal :)
While I do feel a lot for Cal, I'm a sucker for star-crossed loves and a good, hardcore angst, so I wanna go with Maven :) (I feel like he is a very broken person, and I looooooove complicated, angsty, broken characters)
I love Maven. Even after his betrayal. I still love him.
Shaona wrote: "I love Maven. Even after his betrayal. I still love him."BUUUT, do you think he should be Mare's significant other? Her lover? Her husband? Her true love?
Abby wrote: "Shaona wrote: "I love Maven. Even after his betrayal. I still love him."BUUUT, do you think he should be Mare's significant other? Her lover? Her husband? Her true love?"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#TEAMCAL FOREVER
(sorry for the caps, wanted to prove my point lol)
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I sorta agree with you...... But I still have a lot of thoughts about Cal