What's the Name of That Book??? discussion
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Is there an Elena list yet? Sorry for all the questions, but I am convinced Listopia search hates me lol
More unrepresented names!"Dagny"
"Tiffany"
"Destiny"
"Kennedy"
"Courtney"
Okay, a few questions. One, is it okay to say “any character with this name” on a name list (meaning that it doesn’t have to be the main character)? Two, is there a “___ and Other ___” title list yet? For example, Love & Other Great Expectations. Or even a “___ & ___” list (e.g. Love & Gelato)? P.S. just made a “Kennedy” list!
“Kennedy” for the link!If it's your list, you make the rules! For most of these name lists, it's for main characters or at least major characters. But it's ok to make them for any characters who have the name.
For your other question, I did find these!Title Search: Plural and Plural
Titles: Noun, Noun, and Other Nouns
Rainbowheart wrote: "For your other question, I did find these!Title Search: Plural and Plural
Titles: Noun, Noun, and Other Nouns"
Not sure if that’s quite what I’m looking for, but thanks. Would it be too close to make one like what I was saying? Those are for plurals (so Love & Gelato and things like that wouldn’t fit) and two words before the “and other” (so Love & Other Great Expectations and the like wouldn't fit). If that made sense lol
I found one that fits better!_______ & _______
Love and Gelato would definitely work there.
I don't think there's a list for “___ and Other ___”, or at least I couldn't find one. Seems like a popular format for titles. I'd definitely go ahead and create it!
Awesome! Thanks. I just made the “______ and Other ______” list.
I'm sure I should know this, but does anyone have a list for symbols in titles / rebus titles?i.e.
(because heart = love, arrow indicates "down"...)
Capn wrote: "I'm sure I should know this, but does anyone have a list for symbols in titles / rebus titles?i.e.
(because heart = love, arrow..."
Symbols in place of words or symbols in addition to the words they represent?
Okay, I can't find what I'm looking for. So I'll make one. :)https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Good. I like the idea and couldn't find a list like this. If there is one it's not tagged.
I'm open to all and any suggestions for that one - tags, descriptions, wider inclusion criteria... there are lists for Hashtags in titles, domain names/websites in titles, phone numbers in titles, and even chemical equations / letters and numbers mixed (https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/8... - where I stick license plate titles and any obnoxious title with "2" for to and "4" for for). ;)
Capn wrote: "I'm open to all and any suggestions for that one - tags, descriptions, wider inclusion criteria... there are lists for Hashtags in titles, domain names/websites in titles, phone numbers in titles, ..."I added a few tags.
Sem wrote: "Capn wrote: "I'm open to all and any suggestions for that one - tags, descriptions, wider inclusion criteria... there are lists for Hashtags in titles, domain names/websites in titles, phone number..."Ooh, didn't know you could! Thanks! :D That's handy! (Yeesh, if I had Librarian powers, I'd be adding tags to lists like mad. I'd run rampant... Maybe it's for the best that I'm a mere mortal user!) XD
On the subject of covers, I have a “Young Adult & Middle Grade with Green Covers” and a “YA and MG With Blue Covers”, the latter I’ve maxed out my votes on lol. Also, how do you like/comment on someone’s vote on a list?
I'm totally fine with it - if I've voted on a list, and I'm under my 100 vote limit, I'm fine with requests to add more to my list of votes (comment on my list and I'll see it). :) I do like to reserve some head room, if possible, in case I come across more cases that have no votes yet.
I'd add tags if asked but not otherwise. If I see a list with no tags I leave it alone. Maybe the person doesn't know any better or maybe they don't want tags. I don't tag my own lists excessively because I don't want to attract voters. XD
Sem wrote: "I'd add tags if asked but not otherwise. If I see a list with no tags I leave it alone. Maybe the person doesn't know any better or maybe they don't want tags. I don't tag my own lists excessively ..."That's a good point. Consent is always a good idea. :)
Darcey wrote: "Also, how do you like/comment on someone’s vote on a list?"There are a couple ways to do that. If someone is a Goodreads friend of yours, you can see their recent votes here....
https://www.goodreads.com/list/friend...
You can also invite friends to vote on lists. If someone's not a friend, but you'd like to see their votes or comment on their votes, you can either go to their profile and look at all the lists they've voted on, or you can go to the list in question and down at the bottom it says "People who voted on this list." Click on that person's name, and it will take you to his or her votes.
Thx! Question (again): is there a list for 18 year old main characters? How about 19 year olds? They don’t seem very common in books, so I was wondering if there was a collection of them somewhere.
I don't think so! There are lists for protagonists ages 6 through ages 17, but I couldn't find one just for 18 or 19 year olds.
Well now there is! It’s called “Books With Eighteen-Year-Old Protagonists”!
I know there's "DEAD ALL ALONG", in which a (seemingly) living character turns out to have been... well, you can figure that one out. ;)But what I'm wondering is.. do we have a "Ghost Protagonist" sort of list?!
I came across this:
Spooks to the Rescue which reminds me of a good many other books (The Great Ghost Rescue, and another one with a low-budget TV-movie cover whose title and author currently eludes me.. but it can be dredged up).
I couldn't find a 'funny ghosts' sort of list, either..
Anyone have any thoughts of a "Written from the Ghost's Perspective", or something similar?! Lots of middle grade rep, but we could widen the scope...
Or if there's a list that already fits somewhere?
Capn wrote: "I know there's "DEAD ALL ALONG", in which a (seemingly) living character turns out to have been... well, you can figure that one out. ;)But what I'm wondering is.. do we have a "Ghost Protagonist..."
No idea but it's a common trope. It would make a good list. Then there's 'alive all along' but I can only think of one book that would fit. There must be more though. My general principle is that if I can't find a list I make one. No one else seems to care about duplicate lists.
Well, for better or for worse, here's my funny ghost lead list:https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
:)
Willing to accept feedback, tags, etc.
Surely there is, but does a list for characters named “Will” exist yet? Or even a YA specific one?
There are 2 that I know of:Willie Nillie (any form of 'William):
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/5...
Books that have someone named "Will" in them:
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Rainbowheart wrote: "There's also a "William" list."Ha ha, add some tags to that one? :D
EDIT: nevermind, "william" is tagged.
Renewed call for anyone with interest to add in overflowing titles (commented at end of list) to the following Lists:Retro (80s, 90s) juvenile paperback imprints:
Dell Yearling: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/7...
Avon Camelot: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Young Ornithologists (juv. birds): https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Smuggling in juv. lit.: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
Picture Books about Grandparents: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/7...
:)
Feeling lazy, because this one is nebulous - Addicts, is there a good list going for 'Adult Fiction enjoyed by Teens'?I was thinking about the whole 'what's MG vs. YA' list discussion, and the nebulousness that are these distinctions, and then I got to thinking how many of us jumped from 'middle grade' to 'adult' and skipped the whole horny YA section altogether (I hate 'romance', if that explanation is required here!). :)
It might be nice to recommend adult books that teens might enjoy - you know, the ones not chiefly concerned with midlife crises, unhappy extra-marital affair fallout, and the ugliness of aging...XD
I'd add books like:
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul
The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Carry On, Jeeves (any Wodehouse, really. I have Douglas Adams to thank for introducing me to The Master of Comedy!)
Rivers of London (read as an adult, but I'm very immature..! What Abigail Did That Summer is part of the series, and is rated as MG, I believe)
Crime and Punishment (well, teenaged me loved it, anyway!)
I can't find a list to suit - please comment here if you know of one. Otherwise, I'll soon create:
Adult Fiction appealing to Teens
(or another title - feedback appreciated!). Would be nice to have teen readers do the bulk of the voting, so please help me find an appealing title! :)
I did find a similar list using the crossover tag.Teen Books for Adults, Adult Books for Teens
But yours is different because it would be restricted to adult fiction. Similar to the Alex Award lists, which are for adult fiction with special appeal to teens.
Rainbowheart wrote: "I did find a similar list using the crossover tag.Teen Books for Adults, Adult Books for Teens
But yours is different because it would be restricted to adult fiction. Similar to the Alex Award ..."
Thanks, Rainbowheart! I didn't think to try 'crossover', and I had not heard of the Alex Award. :)
Maybe this is already sufficient - I just wondered that there wasn't such a list already. I'll add to this one. ;)
I've been curious about this for awhile, and so I did an exceedingly unscientific examination of the Listopia lists* for fiction* set by U.S. State and territory*.(*don't ask me for a list of caveats - it's too long)
I wanted to know who was punching above or below their weight in terms of # of listed fiction titles set in that state (or territory) vs. the population of said state/territory. I had my suspicions. Here's the summary.
California is first in terms of # of fictional books set there, AND this matches the fact that it's the most populous state. That's pleasing. Texas is #2 and number 2.
New York (the state) is seriously fraught because I didn't even want to know if half of the books in the NYC lists corresponded to the NY State list... anyway, state list alone, it sits in number 3 for # of books, and is the fourth most populous state. Also okay for me.
Let's just jump straight to the problem states, because this is what was bugging me:
Pennsylvania. It's a big state. It's the fifth overall in terms of population, too. But number of books listed on the "Set in Pennsylvania" list? It ranks at 45! Forty-five!! :O Order of magnitude out, and by far the worst represented state! Poor PA! It even has Mars in it! You'd think that alone might drive up the numbers!
Pennsylvania desperately needs more books!
Maine! Urgh, Stephen King effect?! This state ranks at #43 in terms of population - it's practically devoid of humans - and yet it's the FOURTH most represented by books on Listopia!
Maine needs many, many more humans (or much fewer books!)
So if you need a setting for your novel, can I please suggest Pennsylvania? :)
Here's the roundup, alphabetically. (#) is the ranking by pop'n. (Under or over representation is noted where the pop'n rank and book # rank differ by more than 10)
AL (24) = 34th in books (301) = under-represented
AK (49) = 26th in books (350) = over-represented!
AZ (14) = 11th in books (500)
AR (34) = 44th in books (214) = under-represented
CA (1) = 1st in books (902)
CO (21) = 23rd in books (372)
CT (29) = 31st in books (324)
DE (46) = 47th in books (207)
FL (3) = 5th in books (635)
GA (8) = 16th in books (440)
HI (41) = 29th in books (340) = over-represented!
ID (39) = 24th in books (364) = over-represented
IL (6) = 30th in books (331) = very under-represented!
IN (17) = 40th in books (240) = very under-represented!
IA (31) = 37th (tie with NV) in books (260)
KS (35) = 39th in books (252)
KY (26) = 25th in books (361)
LA (25) = 17th in books (419)
ME (43) = 4th in books (645!!!) = ridiculously over-represented!
MD (19) = 28th in books (344)
MA (16) = 10th in books (509)
MI (10) = 7th in books (563)
MN (22) = 9th in books (514) = over-represented
MS (36) = 20th in books (394) = over-represented
MO (18) = 42nd in books (231) = very under-represented!
MT (44) = 48th in books (184)
NE (38) = 46th in books (211) = under-represented
NV (33) = 37th (tie with IA) in books (260)
NH (42) = 27th in books (345) = over-represented
NJ (11) = 33rd in books (309) = very under-represented!
NM (37) = 6th in books (614) = very, very over-represented!
NY (4) = 3rd in books (789)
NC (9) = 14th in books (448)
ND (48) = 50th in books (164)
OH (7) = 18th in books (416) = under-represented
OK (28) = 35th in books (300)
OR (27) = 8th in books (524) = over-represented!
PA (5) = 45th in books (212) = obscenely under-represented!!!!
RI (45) = 41st in books (234)
SC (23) = 15th in books (442)
SD (47) = 49th in books (181)
TN (15) = 13th in books (479)
TX (2) = 2nd in books (892)
UT (30) = 36th in books (286)
VA (12) = 19th in books (411)
VT (51) = 22nd in books (383) = very, very over-represented!
WA (13) = 12th in books (499)
WI (20) = 21st in books (390)
WV (40) = 43nd in books (225)
WY (52) = 32nd in books (314) = over-represented!
DC (50) = 51st in books (34)
Puerto Rico (32) = 50th in books (41) = under-represented
Guam, U.S. Vir., Mariana, etc. (53) = ??? = probably under-represented ;)
Over-represented: Maine, New Mexico, Vermont, Alaska, Oregon, Hawaii, Idaho, Wyoming, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire
Under-represented: Pennsylvania, Missouri, New Jersey, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Nebraska, Alabama, Arkansas, Puerto Rico and all territories (likely, anyway),
Capn wrote: "I've been curious about this for awhile, and so I did an exceedingly unscientific examination of the Listopia lists* for fiction* set by U.S. State and territory*.(*don't ask me for a list of cave..."
Maine has a long and substantial literary history. Some of these numbers don't sound right though. If you look at Mappit there are more than 1000 books set in Philadelphia alone.
Thanks for crunching these numbers! I'm maxed out on most of these lists, lol. Books Set in Pennsylvania
It's strange PA is so under-represented. You've got Phllly and Pittsburgh, two major cities, plus how about all those zillions of books set in Amish country?
Sem wrote: "Capn wrote: "I've been curious about this for awhile, and so I did an exceedingly unscientific examination of the Listopia lists* for fiction* set by U.S. State and territory*.(*don't ask me for a..."
Yep, that was one of the major (unstated) caveats - it's by Listopia representation. ;) Mappit probably does have more for PA, and thanks for checking Philadelphia. (I've stopped using them due to a high degree of inaccuracy - I think they've got self-published authors spamming their books everywhere and no one checking them at the moment, so might improve). But anyway, I'm sure you're right about Philly having a ton of lit. rep.
But yes, the main caveats are:
- what's on Listopia now, not even GR (it just occurred to me that I could Google 'books set in ____ on GR and get their tagged location lists, which is separate from Listopia. Anyone who would like to do so has my blessing!)
- what was in the largest state-specific setting list last night - for example, I didn't cross-check the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh lists to make sure those books were also listed on the main "set in PA" state one, and in some instances (Alaska is a great example), there are competing lists and the groupings are fragmented. I didn't want to risk counting books twice, and I didn't want to be bothered to cross-check lists!
- some of the lists include non-fiction, but most of those I counted are supposed to be just fiction (usual messy Listopia problems)
And there are other considerations. It's for the Listopia Addicts group, and it's representative of what's on Listopia, mostly, kind of, sort of. ;)
The whole point of the exercise was to see who was under or over represented on Listopia, so as to give other Listopia Addicts a chance to balance it out, if they chose (and if their 100 vote quota isn't already maxed out - I can relate!). ;) As Sem and Rainbowheart have said, if anyone wants to make sure the Philly and Amish books are in the PA list, it'll probably be much better served.
I think the moral is, if it needed to be stated (and probably was obvious anyway), that Listopia is not representative of literature in general. :)But we could try to improve it. :)
New age lists!Books With Eighteen-Year-Old Protagonists
Books with Nineteen-Year-Old Protagonists
The first is Darcey's mentioned earlier in the thread, and I created the second one yesterday.
More unrepresented names!"Ida"
"Cecilia"
"Dolores"
If anyone wants to create a list for them, have at it!
I'm addicted to COMPLETING (reading through) listopias as opposed to POPULATING (adding to) them. How come you can't see every one in existence anymore?
Serena wrote: "I'm addicted to COMPLETING (reading through) listopias as opposed to POPULATING (adding to) them. How come you can't see every one in existence anymore?"I've had the feeling there are holes in what used to exist.
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