The House of Hades (The Heroes of Olympus, #4) The House of Hades discussion


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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o

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Emma Belle Reena wrote: "Honestly, because Rick made Nico have some feelings for Percy it made the book better in a way. In the books, none of the other characters thought much of him, the son of hades, hazels brother, ver..."

I agree. You shouldn`t be making fun of or hurting those kids. I think you should help them out and help them be a better person which, in my opinion, is showing them(in a gentle manner) that they shouldn`t do what they`re doing.


Emma Belle Niecy wrote: "Reena wrote: "Honestly, because Rick made Nico have some feelings for Percy it made the book better in a way. In the books, none of the other characters thought much of him, the son of hades, hazel..."

Whats the first?


message 2453: by camie (last edited Feb 06, 2014 04:07PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

camie Was anybody fooled with Nico's little " I don't feel that way anymore" lie? I sure wasn't.

The twist definitely surprised me, but I can't say it bothered me too much, he's just a kid...thirteen or so, and since Percy was the first hero-in-action he ever saw, it makes since that he would have strong feelings about it, it would have been the same if it had been a girl.


message 2454: by camie (new) - rated it 5 stars

camie When they finally get to the movie, I can totally imagine that scene with 'Who I Am' playing in the background.


message 2455: by Blogger (new) - rated it 5 stars

Blogger Girl YAY!!!!!! THE WINTER OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED. sorry, now you guys get back on topic


message 2456: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Blogger wrote: "YAY!!!!!! THE WINTER OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED. sorry, now you guys get back on topic"

What you did there I saw.


message 2457: by [deleted user] (new)

people I think Nico will find a guy in the next book( the blood of Olympus)cross your finger for him. BTW it comes out in oct. 10,2014 I think it is on Amozon P.S sorry for any spelling errors


message 2458: by Blogger (new) - rated it 5 stars

Blogger Girl Kevin wrote: "Blogger wrote: "YAY!!!!!! THE WINTER OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED. sorry, now you guys get back on topic"

What you did there I saw."


NO you didn't


message 2459: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Blogger wrote: "NO you didn't..."

Misdirection at it's weakest(seeing as i saw through your ploy).


message 2460: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin I'm getting concrete in my conviction that most people that rated this book 5 stars was because of the Nico chapter. Most of the 5 start posts i saw only mentioned how Nico "is the same person they loved" and how they "respect Rick"... although seeing as this thread is for talking about Nico maybe I'm reading into it too much.


message 2461: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Ella wrote: "people I think Nico will find a guy in the next book( the blood of Olympus)cross your finger for him."

Sorry to crush your yaoi fantasy but that won't happen. Rick pushed as far as he could go with the currently social/political climate; anything else will result in severe backlash.

The "mommy" groups in America that are against these things will stir things up badly.

Also if Rick goes the way of James Patterson and has some romance crisis in the middle of the war, where people do stupid crap and get themselves captured, thus endangering the others; I will go and write a big FU on his facebook page. Nobody ain't got time for that.


message 2462: by Lauren (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lauren Carpenter Honestly, I don't see the issue.
We should be teaching our kids to see love as love, not as a female and a male. And you know what? A lot of kids DO get it. We're just unable to tell them. How is it ANY different from telling a kid "Oh well, boys and girls love each other." How? OH now it's two guys? Two girls? Suddenly its tabboo? No. It isn't.
I'm proud of Rick for doing this. It was more bold than any young readers author of my generation. (And please don't say J.K. Rowling. That hardly counts.)


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Cami wrote: "Was anybody fooled with Nico's little " I don't feel that way anymore" lie? I sure wasn't."
Me neither.


Emma Belle Blogger wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Blogger wrote: "YAY!!!!!! THE WINTER OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED. sorry, now you guys get back on topic"

What you did there I saw."

NO you didn't"


lol....do i wanna see what you did there?


Emma Belle Kevin wrote: "Ella wrote: "people I think Nico will find a guy in the next book( the blood of Olympus)cross your finger for him."

Sorry to crush your yaoi fantasy but that won't happen. Rick pushed as far as he..."


LOL! I love what you said. Its SO true!


message 2466: by Danny (new) - rated it 5 stars

Danny Doesn't he say he USED to have a crush on Percy?


message 2467: by Blogger (new) - rated it 5 stars

Blogger Girl Danny wrote: "Doesn't he say he USED to have a crush on Percy?"

From the context, he probably still does


Emma Belle Danny wrote: "Doesn't he say he USED to have a crush on Percy?"

I have to agree with Blogger. He probably still does. It would especially make since that he still does bc he always has seemed to not like Annabeth that much


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Niecy Jackson Emma wrote: "Niecy wrote: "Reena wrote: "Honestly, because Rick made Nico have some feelings for Percy it made the book better in a way. In the books, none of the other characters thought much of him, the son o..."

Emma wrote: "Niecy wrote: "Reena wrote: "Honestly, because Rick made Nico have some feelings for Percy it made the book better in a way. In the books, none of the other characters thought much of him, the son o..."

Emma wrote: "Niecy wrote: "Reena wrote: "Honestly, because Rick made Nico have some feelings for Percy it made the book better in a way. In the books, none of the other characters thought much of him, the son o..."

Um i think it was something about liking that nico like percy and something about fanfiction i think. nut it was a really good comment


message 2470: by Danny (new) - rated it 5 stars

Danny What would Hades say if he found out?


I'mogén Really loved this little twist! xD


message 2472: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Danny wrote: "What would Hades say if he found out?"

Nothing, he wasn't there much for Nico it's his fault that Nico looked up to Percy as family after Biannca died.

Fun fact Percy is dating his cousin.


message 2473: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

http://www.change.org/petitions/dream..."


You know that's not gonna make a difference? Maybe in a decade or two they will reboot the series but until then.....


message 2474: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin H99 wrote: " He's dating the daughter of his father's niece, so what does that make Annabeth? The daughter of his cousin. ..."

That would make her Percy's second cousin... although I didn't want to say that because i get confused with which one of zeus's kids is also his sibling.


message 2475: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin @H99
Another fun fact, it's legal to marry your cousin/second cousin in Japan.
THE MORE YOU KNOW.


message 2476: by Danny (new) - rated it 5 stars

Danny Percy's Great-Grandfather was the Ruler of all Creation. His Great-Uncle was Bob. Dionysus is his cousin, need I say more?


message 2477: by Kaustav (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kaustav S. Hey dan.


message 2478: by Manofaction (new)

Manofaction i have finally understood why this discussion has been going on for so long-people are confusing gay rights issues with one little chapter in the book.i thought this thread's purpose was to debate whether the way the issue was addressed at the cost of story's narration or whether it fit in the narration,but people are commenting about whether or not gays should be included in mainstream literature or not.silly me i should have figured that out long time ago.back to your absurd conflict on 2 different issues then


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Manofaction Blogger wrote: "YAY!!!!!! THE WINTER OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED. sorry, now you guys get back on topic"

i must have really hit a low point in my life to be discussing this for the tenth time but nonetheless,
Unless they bring about the change themselves,unless they realize a need for change of mindsets,western media's lashing out,or even corporate protests,online petitions by celebs or open criticism by government figures (however big they are) WONT WORK.it also shows that you are seeing this topic from prism of larger social issue about which (no matter how much Riordan claims it is)it is not


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Manofaction Lauren wrote: "Honestly, I don't see the issue.
We should be teaching our kids to see love as love, not as a female and a male. And you know what? A lot of kids DO get it. We're just unable to tell them. How is ..."


would have been better if he had taken full measures about it then.


message 2481: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin @Manofaction The song I wrote earlier applies perfectly to you.
The one with, "this is the thread that never ends" that uses the lamb chop original song as the melody.


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Ok


message 2483: by Blogger (new) - rated it 5 stars

Blogger Girl Very interesting. I think Percy is annabeth's uncle (or second cousin) because Poseidon is Athena's uncle and Athena and Percy are cousins


message 2484: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Blogger wrote: "Very interesting. I think Percy is annabeth's uncle (or second cousin) because Poseidon is Athena's uncle and Athena and Percy are cousins"

      Chronos
        |
     |--- ---|
   Zeus Poseidon
    | |
   Athena Percy
   |
  Annabeth


Second Cousin(if Athena is Zeus's Daughter and not sister)


message 2485: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin for some reason i can't use space oh well


message 2486: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Percy Fam

Did this up in paint


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Wasn't there something in The Last Olympian about gods not having DNA, so it didn't matter if their kids dated, provided they were from different cabins?


message 2488: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Brooke wrote: "Wasn't there something in The Last Olympian about gods not having DNA, so it didn't matter if their kids dated, provided they were from different cabins?"

I'm sure Rick just said that to get the incest past the censors or so the book could maintain it's G/PG rating.

They probably don't have DNA but I think Demigods will have problems breeding down the line seeing as they would only be made up of half a double helix...they suppose to be pretty unstable and spontaneously combust on a regular basis.


Emma Belle I found it amusing how we get so sidetracked. We go from arguing about gays vs no gays to the relation of Percy and Annabeth. But...while we`re on this subject Percy and Annabeth would be 2nd cousins.


message 2490: by Sab (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sab Omg why would anyone say 'no gays'?!?!?!


message 2491: by Fosse76 (new)

Fosse76 This is why I believe those who have a problem with Nico’s development in House of Hades are homophobic:

1. Homophobia as a term is not listed as part of a clinical taxonomy of phobias, therefore its dictionary definition is authority, so arguing the term’s meaning is pointless. It is a hatred, dislike or antipathy towards homosexuals, which is rampant among the arguments from most of the people in this thread who disagree with this development.

2. Arguing that Nico is too young, or that the target audience is too young for this development, is homophobic. No one would have said a word if he had revealed it to be Annabeth. It’s only a problem because Nico likes another boy. If Percy and Annabeth weren’t too young in Lightening Thief or Sea of Monsters to have a crush (when they were 11 and 12), then a 14 year-old Nico certainly isn’t too young to know who he has a crush on.

3. Arguing that it comes out of nowhere is another argument being used to mask one’s homophobia. It would be one thing if Percy all of sudden was revealed to have a crush on Jason (or vice versa), but Nico has had no development with respect to dating. Nico doesn’t fit the stereotypical view of a homosexual (flamboyant; singing show tunes), and only homophobes would have a hard time believing that gays can’t behave any other way. As I previously have said, thousands of families have the same reaction when a close loved-one “comes out”.

4. Up until House of Hades, Nico has had no development related to his romantic interests. It makes Annabeth’s claim that she always thought Nico had a crush on her in The Mark of Athena bizarre. I just finished re-reading the series and nowhere is there any inclination from Nico towards Annabeth. In the Battle of the Labyrinth, Annabeth persuades hime to return to Camp Half-Blood only after Nico refused to do so when Percy tried to persuade him. He even shouts out that he is going to return because she asked him, and not because Percy asked him. That is textbook misdirection, and is very obvious in context of the scene.

The truth is there is nothing in the books that can contradict Nico’s crush on Percy. Much of his behavior towards Percy is textbook psychology. No, it doesn’t mean he had to be gay, but Rick Riordan decided that Nico’s psychology does fit with that development. I re-read the series to see if there were any hints leading up to this. And while there was nothing too specific (Nico goes into the Labyrinth when told Percy is in trouble, and he gets rather upset when he thinks Percy doesn’t trust him after Hades imprisons him), there is nothing that would go against this development. Yes, the psychology could have applied to some other type of development, but Rick Riordan chose this, and nothing in the text would contradict it, so people need to get over this. We get it. You don’t like gay people. Too bad.


message 2492: by Fosse76 (new)

Fosse76 As for someone's comment about what Hades would think, he probably doesn't care. The Greek gods in mythology don't have any predisposition to lust and love. They have fornicated with both sexes without a second thought. If Hades has an issue, it would be because Nico's object of desire is Percy, and not some other boy.


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Fosse76 wrote: "This is why I believe those who have a problem with Nico’s development in House of Hades are homophobic:

1. Homophobia as a term is not listed as part of a clinical taxonomy of phobias, therefore..."

I love this post.


message 2494: by Ariel (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ariel I second that Brooke. Thumbs up Fosse76. :)


Emma Belle Is everyone an atheist? lol


message 2496: by cindy (new) - rated it 5 stars

cindy Fosse76 wrote: "This is why I believe those who have a problem with Nico’s development in House of Hades are homophobic:

1. Homophobia as a term is not listed as part of a clinical taxonomy of phobias, therefore..."


THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. I would totally give you a standing ovation.


message 2497: by cindy (new) - rated it 5 stars

cindy Emma wrote: "Is everyone an atheist? lol"

You don't have to be an atheist to support the LGBT community. One of my closest friends is an extremely devoted christian, and she wholeheartedly supports them. And I know plenty of other people just like her. I even know christian gay people.


message 2498: by Kevin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kevin Fosse76 wrote: " I re-read the series to see if there were any hints leading up to this. And while there was nothing too specific ..."

You yourself just admited it's out of the blue and no I don't believe in stereotypical gays that prance around(drag queens are not the entire community). What I'm seeing you and a bunch of other people doing is looking for(and inventing) confirmation as to how Nico was gay in the original series.

Rick said he is gay now and although there is no facts to prove this people continue to say "yea I saw this", it's true some people probably thought of Nico as gay when they read the series(don't know that there is a thing called grief or they think that if a guy is anti-social it means he is gay) but others are just saying they saw it to fit in(there is a term when people change their views or viewpoint to match another's or they find information or change the facts given to match what they are saying or what's the popular opinion).

Rick wanted a gay character, everyone else was concrete so without introducing a new guy he took single Nico, spewed that his behavior before was because he like Percy and lo and behold a "get out of jail card" so the LGBT community don't petition his website(like they are doing other authors) to put a "strong gay character" into his book.... he already did.

I guess since I'm not jumping on the roof tops screaming how this development is the best thing ever and giving the book 5stars means I'm homophobic, if you are not with us you are against us huh? I also guess that all the books I read before that had gay or bi main or semi main protagonist and I didn't raise a fuss means I have a strong dislike for gays too huh?

It's people like you in the LGBT community that give your group a bad name, you just single handedly call everyone in this thread who didn't like the way it was done or how Rick explained it a homophobe and I'm sure one of those persons supports gay rights or is gay themselves, you can talk about something in a negative light but soon as someone references to something that vaguely has to do with homosexuality yall are up in arms... way to go... and you talk about equality.


message 2499: by Robert (new)

Robert First reaction, "WHAT THE ENTIRE FU**!" Second reaction, "Rick, its really cool what your doing, but its dangerous. This is risky shi*; be careful." Third reaction, "Oh gods. The fannfiction writers and fan artist are going to have a feild day with."


message 2500: by Caleb (last edited Feb 13, 2014 05:07PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Caleb I don't like ranting, but this might have to be an exception.

I have always loved the Percy Jackson series. I will admit that Nico's coming out threw me for a loop, but I don't really see why there's such a big deal about it. It's already been stated, but homosexuals do exist and they are real people, believe it or not. It's not like feeling an attraction for someone of your gender somehow causes you to lose your soul. And if you actually believe that, I'm sorry but you're just plain stupid.

Nico's sexual preference doesn't have much impact in regards to the storyline. There have not been any events that are specificaly referenced as being a result of his romantic feelings for Percy. If homosexuals offend you, then bye. You don't have to read this series any longer. Just don't pollute my internet with your disparaging comments, and comfort yourselves on knowing that, somehow, you're "right."


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