The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Okay then you're an adult to me ^^
Cherie wrote: "Haha well honey, your hate Is seriously misplaced if you'd rather people be unhappy with who they are simply because you disagree with their sexual preference. Time to grow up, maybe?"i will play the devil’s advocate here and say that technically speaking tj might not be wrong. While what he finally is it has been left ambiguous personal opinions are okay,right?so if he thinks or comprehends that his way he isn't wrong until the author specifically writes so in near future (though statistically nico will be gay)
Tj wrote: "I HATE THAT NICO IS GAY!!!!!!! but I'm gald he docent want to be gay "I think what people fail to realize is that whether or not Nico wants to be gay or not, if, hypothetically, he didn't want to be gay, it isn't because Nico thinks its morally wrong, it's because of the stigma surrounding it and society telling him its wrong and his not wanting to be excluded and set apart because of this one factor. I feel like a main reason people don't want to be gay etc because of the social repercussions and the heterosexual norm. To be "glad" that Nico doesn't want to be gay is kind of malicious. Being glad is like a passive aggressive way of saying "yup being gay is wrong and its good that you don't want to be even if you are" which I strongly disagree with.
So even if Nico (again, hypothetically) didn't want to be gay, (a) it doesn't change the fact that he liked Percy and (b) you're shaming him for being gay.
Yeah, of course I'm not saying that his opinion is definitely wrong, I mean he can interpret it like that if he wants, but would be subjective as nico never states that he doesn't want to be gay. Going purely by the context (i listed several quotes a few comments back) I feel it's fairly obvious that Nico hated himself because he hated that he had feelings for Percy. And he hated that he had feelings for Percy, not because it made him gay but because he blamed Percy for the death of Bianca. Of course, this is my interpretation... But that doesn't change the fact that tj was indeed wrong about nico saying he didn't want to be gay, that's just how he interpreted it. (I will respectfully disagree with his interpretation as the context shows otherwise)
I just don't see the need for it. It's not like it helped the story.
As I've stated before, it is character development which DOES help the story.
Cherie wrote: "Yeah, of course I'm not saying that his opinion is definitely wrong, I mean he can interpret it like that if he wants, but would be subjective as nico never states that he doesn't want to be gay. G..."Yeah I saw your quotes! I just wanted to point out although Nico (according to the context, like you said, I agree that there is no place where he states that he doesn't want to be gay) never said he didn't want to be gay, if he hypothetically didn't want to be gay it would be only because of the way society shames it and the exclusion that it might bring, not because he thought it was dirty or wrong.
Not like that. It took away from the story.
It may not help it in the way that you personally want, but regardless it has helped the story by adding more depth to Nico's character.
I feel like people shouldn't talk about how it didn't help the story when the last book hasn't even come out yet, it might be crucial to the last one in some way. None of us know. If it still isn't relevant to the plot when the last one is out, then it would make more sense to complain about that.
All I know is that I don't like Riordan that much anymore, and no longer care if Nico dies in the next book or not.
Yeah, I honestly do not see how it possibly took away from the story. It's not like the book didn't have other chapters with the sole purpose of developing other characters. I would like to remind you of Frank's chapter where he impressed his father and got a godly makeover as well as Leo's experience with Calypso. Nico's character has been seriously underdeveloped up until now and we finally got some insight into his character.
Well that sure is a shame that you feel that strongly about it...
even if there is something in the last book about how it was of utmost importance to have a gay guy on board it will only seem that riordan added this twist to cramp one more myth in the story.i dont understand why people say that this way was better than a well planned move of adding a new gay guy to the story from the beginning giving him a pov and then "developing" the said character all he wants.now it just seems he is coming up with some stuff to met his deadline
Just wrote: "even if there is something in the last book about how it was of utmost importance to have a gay guy on board it will only seem that riordan added this twist to cramp one more myth in the story.i do..."honestly i don't think he introduced Nico's sexuality solely for the purpose of introducing new myths, that was just an added benefit.
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "I just don't see the need for it. It's not like it helped the story."*slow clap*
We're going in circles guys everything on this page has been stated before, eg pandering, running out of gods, adding parts to an already finished book at the last minute, thus making said part not mesh with the rest of the story, etc etc etc .
Kevin wrote: "Blogger wrote: "Dria wrote: "Kevin, are you an adult? Not to pry, or anything..."yes. please answer that"
Dria wrote: "Kevin, are you an adult? Not to pry, or anything..."
Define adult >_>"
An adult is someone older than or equal to 21 to me. 18-20 still act like teenagers
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "All I know is that I don't like Riordan that much anymore, and no longer care if Nico dies in the next book or not."HOW COULD YOU?!?!?! *SOBS* you can't just HATE (OR DISLIKE) a person because he/she is trying to make the world a better place
Re to TJ: I don't have the book at my house (I got it from the library) so cannot provide a direct quote, but Avalon and Cherie used a combination of Nico's actual dialogue with their reading comprehension to infer from Nico's actions and the history of his character that he is afraid of being gay/disappointed in himself for liking someone he "should" dislike. Just because you think your affections are misplaced, or are worried what other people will think, doesn't mean that you also want to change who you are. He never explicitly said, "I don't want to be gay," nor did he say, "I want to be gay!" Few characters (and no people in real life) are that simple. I just hope you do not reflect these feelings in how you treat the people around you who may be/are LGBT. As for the book, it's your choice to discontinue reading or to say you dislike something about it. Riordan was definitely aware that some people would dislike finding this out about Nico, but clearly cared more for his character than the risk he would be taking in losing a bit of readership.
I agree with you so much Rin :)
So do I.
Ok. So. I disagree with whoever said that Rick just added the gayness in there to introduce new myths. I mean, I saw that coming. You just have to pay close attention to the book. Personally, I'm glad there are some gay myths that people actually know about now. If I was gay, I would like to know that my favorite author supported me and found a gay myth for people like me. I'm just saying......
Ok. So. I disagree with whoever said that Rick just added the gayness in there to introduce new myths. I mean, I saw that coming. You just have to pay close attention to the book. Personally, I'm glad there are some gay myths that people actually know about now. If I was gay, I would like to know that my favorite author supported me and found a gay myth for people like me. I'm just saying......
But he said that he knew Nico was gay around the Last Olympian. He said that he understood Nico's character around TLO and realized that Nico's feelings for Percy was more than admiration. I suggest you go to his FAQs page and check out the question about why he made Nico gay. Then you'll understand why because seriously this thread has been going around in circles and circles and circles. It needs to stop. If people have questions/comments, maybe they should just go back to the previous comments and see what previous commenters have to say about it.
Lol it's okay no need to apologize :) Also I think I was a bit harsh there, sorry ^^
I think if you read his FAQ about why he made nico gay you'll have more respect for hi decision :)
Cherie wrote: "I think if you read his FAQ about why he made nico gay you'll have more respect for hi decision :)"Cherie do you believe someone could do something then make up some "noble" excuse for it after the fact?
Well that is how I fell about this issue, Rick can say cheese all he likes and many people wil fight tooth and nail about it and cite Rick's faqs as the holy grail. Doesn't change the fact that he is human and that he would lie about something or put a spin on it to place it in a better light.
You think because he write children books he is a saint amongst men? Nope, I will go to my grave thinking he pandered. If Nico's piece fitted better I would not have object but that entire scene or chapter was off.
Nope that I think of it the Leo scene was pandering too... although Gaea wants Leo alive for some reason so that probably explains why the ice fiends placed him on the island instead of outright murder.. and they probably thought with the Gods in turmoil with themselves Calypso's Island magic would be on halt ssssooo.
I didn't need to spoiler that right? If you reached Nico's part you passed Leo's affair.
Blogger wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "All I know is that I don't like Riordan that much anymore, and no longer care if Nico dies in the next book or not."HOW COULD YOU?!?!?! *SOBS* you can't just HATE (OR D..."
Um, who said that I hate him? I just said he's not really a favorite anymore. And how exactly is he making the world a better place?
Layla wrote: "I am not entirely against people being gay. I mean, I personally do not support it, but I am not un-supportive. I believe that Nico being gay was just an attempt to push the gay agenda. Rick was a..."Yea, that's probably why he did it, and that's the sad part. Why take a book a use it like that, well knowing that kids like 9 read them? Just sad.
Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "I think if you read his FAQ about why he made nico gay you'll have more respect for hi decision :)"Cherie do you believe someone could do something then make up some "noble" excuse..."
It WAS off, you're right. People tried to say that Riordan had hinted on Nico's little secret in earlier books, which isn't true cause I went back and found NOTHING. It was completely out of the blue.
Cherie wrote: "I think if you read his FAQ about why he made nico gay you'll have more respect for hi decision :)"I did before. I stand unchanged.
I've been saying this since the beginning. The whole point of the heroes of Olympus series is to show that any kid can be a hero. Rick is constantly portraying strong, relatable and diverse characters: black, white, Mexican, Asian, Indian, kids with learning disabilities, straight, and now gay. Does this make him a good person? Well of course that doesn't make Rick the saint of children's literature, but it is admirable in my opinion. Gays are underrepresented in literature, especially children's literature. Making a strong character that we already know and love gay is the perfect way to express that gays are no different than us. It's the perfect way to squash the stereotype that all gays are ultra flamboyant because we know Nico and we know that that is not who he is.Maybe he didn't plan it, maybe he decided that he didn't have a gay character for a minority of his audience to relate to, maybe nico was a token... Maybe just maybe rick actually looked at Nico's character and his struggles and his past and realized that Nico might have some hidden emotions. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know and neither do you. But regardless of the motives, I still say that Rick including a gay character in this series was a great thing and personally I find that it does make sense for Nico's character (no Kevin, not because he's "goth"). This is, again, my own opinion which you don't have to agree with it and I don't expect you to. But like it or not, Nico is gay (or bisexual, we don't really know yet). Frankly, I find it silly to keep complaining about the reasoning for it. If you don't like it, don't read it.. Otherwise I think it's time to move on.
Nico ain't fuckin gay. he's just loikes percy as a friend.
Soloboss wrote: "Nico ain't fuckin gay. he's just loikes percy as a friend."clearly you haven't read the book
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Blogger wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "All I know is that I don't like Riordan that much anymore, and no longer care if Nico dies in the next book or not."HOW COULD YOU?!?!?! *SOBS* you can't..."
what i meant was he was trying to create tolerance to people who are gay but you don't like him AS MUCH because of that. or whatever
Soloboss... OBVIOUSLY if you had read the book you would have seen that Nico said: "I had a crush on Percy," Nico spat. CRUSH!! Crush means you have romantic feelings for someone!! Crush is the key word there. He likes Percy. He has romantic feelings for Percy. So don't say things like 'he likes Percy as a friend' because, oh boy we both know that that is SO wrong.
Yeah.. If you think that whole deal was to show that nico thought of Percy as a friend then you are completely deluding yourself...
You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience...
1) Tell him, Nico di Angelo, Cupid said. Tell him you are a coward, afraid of yourself and your feelings. Tell him the real reason you ran from Camp Half-Blood, and why you are always alone.
2) Images flashed through his mind. He saw Nico and his sister on a snowy cliff in Maine, Percy Jackson protecting then from a manticore. Percy's sword gleamed in the dark. He's been the first demigod Nico had ever seen in action.
3) Later, at Camp Half-Blood, Percy took Nico by the arm promising to keep his sister Bianca safe. Nico believed him. Nico looked into his sea-green eyes and thought, How can he possibly fail? This is a real hero. He was Nico's favorite game, Mythomagic, brought to life.
4) Jason saw the moment when Percy returned and told Nico that Bianca died. Nico had screamed and called him a liar. He's felt betrayed, but still...when the skeleton warriors attacked, he couldn't let them harm Percy. Nico had called on the earth to swallow them up, and then he'd run away-terrified of his own powers, and his own emotions.
5) "I left Camp Half-Blood because of love," Nico said. "Annabeth...she-"
Nico's voice was broken like glass. "I-I wasn't in love with Annabeth."
"You were jealous of her," Jason said. "That's why you didn't want to be around her. Especially why you didn't want to be around...him. It makes total sense."
6) "I had a crush on Percy," Nico spat. "That's the truth. That's the big secret."
He glared at Cupid. "Happy now?"
For the first time, Cupids gaze seemed sympathetic. "Oh I wouldn't say Love always makes you happy." His voice sounded smaller, much more human. "Sometimes it makes you incredibly sad. But at least you've faced it now. That's the only way to conquer me."
7) "I don't feel that way anymore," Nico muttered. "I mean...I gave up on Percy. I was young and impressionable, and I-I don't..."
His voice cracked, and Jason could tell the guy was about to get teary-eyed. Whether Nico had really given up on Percy or not, Jason couldn't imagine what it had been like for Nico all those years, keeping a secret that would've been unthinkable to share in the 1940s, denying who he was, feeling completely alone-even more isolated than other demigods.
These quotes come from pages 289, 290, 292, and 293. I skipped some pages because it just shows Jason and Nico fighting Cupid and it was not necessary.
Okay I'm gonna say this: in number 5 when Nico says "I left chb because of love... Annabeth...she-" it doesn't mean that Nico liked Annabeth, he was jealous of her. So if anyone is going to cute this as Nico liking Annabeth, don't do it because you're wrong. Also when Nico says that he gave up on Percy, I would say that even if he says that he still has feeling for him because there are moments where he shows a reaction. I will give examples.
1) Percy laced his fingers through Annabeth's.
Hazel happened to glance at Nico and saw pain in his eyes. She wasn't sure, but maybe he was thinking how lucky Percy and Annabeth were to have each other. Nico had gone through Tartarus alone.
2) Nico realized he was holding Percy's hand and quickly let go.
3) "Yeah, well," Nico said, "not giving people a second thought can be dangerous."
"Dude, I'm trying to say thank you."
Nico laughed without humor. "I'm trying to say you don't need to. Now I need to finish this, if you could give me some space?"
These quotes come from pages 564, 565, and 580.
Nico obviously still likes Percy. He told Percy to back off an give him space because he's trying to move on from Percy but with Percy there telling him "thanks" and being sincere, it's pretty hard. I'd say that Nico still likes Percy but he's trying to move on.
Sorry if there are typos, it took some time to type this and I didn't bother to reread my writing. Tell me if you want me to cite anything to prove your claims more valid.
1) Tell him, Nico di Angelo, Cupid said. Tell him you are a coward, afraid of yourself and your feelings. Tell him the real reason you ran from Camp Half-Blood, and why you are always alone.
2) Images flashed through his mind. He saw Nico and his sister on a snowy cliff in Maine, Percy Jackson protecting then from a manticore. Percy's sword gleamed in the dark. He's been the first demigod Nico had ever seen in action.
3) Later, at Camp Half-Blood, Percy took Nico by the arm promising to keep his sister Bianca safe. Nico believed him. Nico looked into his sea-green eyes and thought, How can he possibly fail? This is a real hero. He was Nico's favorite game, Mythomagic, brought to life.
4) Jason saw the moment when Percy returned and told Nico that Bianca died. Nico had screamed and called him a liar. He's felt betrayed, but still...when the skeleton warriors attacked, he couldn't let them harm Percy. Nico had called on the earth to swallow them up, and then he'd run away-terrified of his own powers, and his own emotions.
5) "I left Camp Half-Blood because of love," Nico said. "Annabeth...she-"
Nico's voice was broken like glass. "I-I wasn't in love with Annabeth."
"You were jealous of her," Jason said. "That's why you didn't want to be around her. Especially why you didn't want to be around...him. It makes total sense."
6) "I had a crush on Percy," Nico spat. "That's the truth. That's the big secret."
He glared at Cupid. "Happy now?"
For the first time, Cupids gaze seemed sympathetic. "Oh I wouldn't say Love always makes you happy." His voice sounded smaller, much more human. "Sometimes it makes you incredibly sad. But at least you've faced it now. That's the only way to conquer me."
7) "I don't feel that way anymore," Nico muttered. "I mean...I gave up on Percy. I was young and impressionable, and I-I don't..."
His voice cracked, and Jason could tell the guy was about to get teary-eyed. Whether Nico had really given up on Percy or not, Jason couldn't imagine what it had been like for Nico all those years, keeping a secret that would've been unthinkable to share in the 1940s, denying who he was, feeling completely alone-even more isolated than other demigods.
These quotes come from pages 289, 290, 292, and 293. I skipped some pages because it just shows Jason and Nico fighting Cupid and it was not necessary.
Okay I'm gonna say this: in number 5 when Nico says "I left chb because of love... Annabeth...she-" it doesn't mean that Nico liked Annabeth, he was jealous of her. So if anyone is going to cute this as Nico liking Annabeth, don't do it because you're wrong. Also when Nico says that he gave up on Percy, I would say that even if he says that he still has feeling for him because there are moments where he shows a reaction. I will give examples.
1) Percy laced his fingers through Annabeth's.
Hazel happened to glance at Nico and saw pain in his eyes. She wasn't sure, but maybe he was thinking how lucky Percy and Annabeth were to have each other. Nico had gone through Tartarus alone.
2) Nico realized he was holding Percy's hand and quickly let go.
3) "Yeah, well," Nico said, "not giving people a second thought can be dangerous."
"Dude, I'm trying to say thank you."
Nico laughed without humor. "I'm trying to say you don't need to. Now I need to finish this, if you could give me some space?"
These quotes come from pages 564, 565, and 580.
Nico obviously still likes Percy. He told Percy to back off an give him space because he's trying to move on from Percy but with Percy there telling him "thanks" and being sincere, it's pretty hard. I'd say that Nico still likes Percy but he's trying to move on.
Sorry if there are typos, it took some time to type this and I didn't bother to reread my writing. Tell me if you want me to cite anything to prove your claims more valid.
H99 wrote: "Soloboss wrote: "Nico ain't fuckin gay. he's just loikes percy as a friend."...
Did you read the book?"
Maybe he is hinting to or refererring to the friend zone that Nico is living in (view spoiler)
Obviously he wasn't referring to nico being in the friendzone zone because he said nico isn't gay. He is denying that nico had romantic feelings for Percy and that he only thought of him as a friend.
And yeah, it kinda pisses me of when I write a long ass response to people and they ignore it as if they didn't address me directly in their previous comments. >_>
Kevin wrote: "H99 wrote: "Soloboss wrote: "Nico ain't fuckin gay. he's just loikes percy as a friend."...
Did you read the book?"
Maybe he is hinting to or refererring to the friend zone that Nico is living ..."
How is that a spoiler?
Cherie wrote: "And yeah, it kinda pisses me of when I write a long ass response to people and they ignore it as if they didn't address me directly in their previous comments. >_>"Your long ass comments are usually reposts of things you said before... so why address them again? ……(view spoiler)
YOU ARE definitely over using that spoiler tab/button
Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience..."... All the things listed there are from his recent book.. which means squat, seeing as how we(mostly me) came to the decision that Rick's book didn't meld well together and that.... ugh I ain't able retype all that on a tablet, you know what I said before that he just looked for a well loved(I never liked Nico so this doesn't affect me one bit) and well known character to turn gay.
I seriously don't know how being gay affects the story that much. just 10 pages. It shouldn't be that big of a deal. I mean what did parents expect? Their kids to turn gay/Lesbian because they've read a gay character? Get over yourself and be more respectable and considerate of others.
Kevin wrote: "Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience..."... All the things listed there are from his recent book.. whi..."
In your opinion, if it was off-- just skip that chapter in the book. Or those you have an issue with. Or just the whole book. Honestly. No one’s forcing you to read a book, if you have problems with it, don’t read it.
Wow Kevin I actually took some of my damn time to write that and you said it doesn't mean squat :( Well whatever because it DOES mean squat. A lot of people were saying that he doesn't like Percy in a romantic way but from the evidence I've shown, yes he does. And I really agree with Yubrine. Nico is a freaking character. He's not the damn president or some sh*t. Get over yourselves. Over reacting and stuff because some character is gay. For all we know maybe he isn't gay. Maybe it's just Percy.
Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "And yeah, it kinda pisses me of when I write a long ass response to people and they ignore it as if they didn't address me directly in their previous comments. >_>"Your long ass co..."
No, I respond when people directly address me. Just like I just responded to you with a long ass comment even though I tend to simply ignore your comments. Don't directly address me if you have no intent on responding to me. It's a waste of my goddamn time.
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