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Which book did you enjoy more P&P or Wuthering Heights?
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I can see why critics back in 1847 were shocked at characters like Hindley Earnshaw, Cathy, Heathcliff.....the little brat Linton Heathcliff. It's a wonderfully intriguing novel, so much depth. I can only admire and appreciate Emily Bronte for what she did for novel writing, and pushing the boundaries. Really surprised many people are still bashing Emily over her bravery, 166 years after it was published mind you.

I'm sure there might be some people who are bashing (I haven't read every comment), but I don't think you can categorize someone's comment as "bashing" if all they've done is mention that they don't like the book because of the subjectmatter or style or characters.
This is one of the reasons why in my comment, I said that it wasn't fair to compare the two - the two are so incredibly different in style and in purpose that someone who really loves P&P would not enjoy the atmosphere and harshness of WH, where someone for whom those elements were what made the book enjoyable to read, would find the politesse and gentleness of P&P and Jane Austen's world to be not to their liking.
That doesn't mean that anyone who says they don't like WH is bashing Emily, and certainly not for her bravery. Any woman writing novels at any point earlier than the 60s (if then), required an incredible amount of bravery, regardless of their subjectmatter.

Everyone is an entitled to an opinion, and is more than allowed to express it, but to bash what Emily Bronte achieved in Wuthering Heights is just ignorance. I may prefer Wuthering Heights, but I can certainly find literary merit in Pride and Prejudice, and Jane Austen's wit is something unique and to be admired. I don't see why people when comparing Bronte's and Austen feel the need to bash the other.
I'm thinking this goes back to Charlotte's comments on Jane Austen.


I don't think it's bashing an author per se when someone says they thought the story was dreadful. I've read a number of books that I recognized as either well-written or conveying exactly the themes the author intended, but had a strong negative reaction to on my own part. While I'm sure it would be difficult for an author to hear their book criticized harshly, the book isn't the author and dislike of one isn't necessarily dislike of the other.
Now, what I'm really interested in is what makes one person love one book and another love the other? I'm never attracted to books with dark themes or end tragically, but I know and respect the fact that others do. I like cozy mysteries and Austenesque stories because my life has enough stress and difficulties that I don't want to borrow anyone else's. But I understand the world is made of people with many different tastes and that's why there are so many flavors of icecream and genres of books. So, I get why people love P&P, but what attracts others to darker stories like WH?

Wuthering Heights is a great book. But in comparison to Pride and Prejudice, I have to say it loses, because I do enjoy the characters of P&P more, and I prefer books with characters I like. These characters don't have to be good people or nice, but in the characters of Wuthering Heights I just found nothing I personally found attractive. That's the difference, for me.

Michael: I can appreciate where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree that someone saying that something is dreadful and awful and the like is bashing. I think it's just rather colorful (perhaps inflammatory) descriptives of their feelings on the book. I think "bashing" would be more along the lines of saying that the book is not worth reading because of who wrote it, or something that has no interpretive value. If someone reads something and dislikes it, no matter how they express themselves about it, or what kind of adjective they use, I don't think it reflects on the author's personal life; just on the reader's view on that work...in some cases, some authors' works follow a particular theme or style and so some readers who find they don't like one of that author's books might decide to forgo the author entirely because of that (i.e., I personally find that Dan Brown focuses entirely too much on plot and doesn't develop his characters enough, so although I can appreciate his style and the excitement of his work, I don't much care for reading it, because I personally enjoy a book much more when the characters are well developed or when the book is character -- rather than plot -- driven), but I still would argue that this isn't "bashing."

HAHAHA!!! I sooo agree!!! Kathy was just a stupid character

Has anyone read Villette by Charlotte Bronte? It's brilliant.
Janet Mullany

I agree with you Janet. Villete is actually on my "to read" list, although I haven't gotten to it yet.

Pride and Prejudice is an excellent novel, clever and witty, but it did not grab my imagination. Wuthering Heights is on my top ten list.
They are both masterpieces but my vote goes to Wuthering Heights.

It's just for me Wuthering Heights is such an important novel, and it makes me cringe to read people bashing the novel, which if you are a fan of literature almost demands respect for how ahead of its time it was and how well crafted it is. But it would be a boring world if we all agreed on the same things I guess. Just my two cents.






I don't think it's bashing an au..."
I can't speak for all WH fans, but for me at least, I like it because it's challenging. Not in a language hard to read kind of way. But on an emotional level.
In popular media, the protagonist is almost always someone either sympathetic or at least likable/relatable. You never see an outward jerk without redeeming qualities be the lead. So in a sense I guess I found WH kind of refreshing in that respect. It's kind of like a train wreck. You know the events happening are quite awful, but you're just entranced by it nonetheless.
WH tells you straight away that the recollections are biased and that the narrator is most likely exaggerated their faults and perhaps overlooking their virtues a tad. It challenges you to figure out the characters for yourself, discern the gossip from the truth.
Is Heathcliff really a horrible asshole? Or is it just the prejudice the narrator has for him painting him in that light?
He's no doubt a rouge and quite a broody dark character. Stubborn, vengeful and angry. But he is capable of such intense passionate (perhaps unhealthy) love that maybe he has a heart after all. Society sees him as a "gypsy." Maybe he's just trying to live up to their expectations? Who knows?
The characters are all somewhat ambiguous like that, unlikable to be sure. But you can kind of have fun shaping them yourself as well.
Plus, I just like darker things in general. Always been attracted to stuff like vampires and the like. *shrugs*
Jane Austen, who I very much respect, is just a tad too clean for me. I like grit and blood and harshness. If I want an escapist read I'll read Fantasy, but then I can't really take rom com or romance in written form. I need to watch it, soak up the silly melodrama and gush at the hunk of spunks on screen. Reading about it is a bit too lovey dovey gushy- ness for me to handle.
Pride and Prejudice -- I say that ONLY because you specifically said ENJOY. P&P was made to be enjoyed because of its humor, delight, and of course, happy ending. WH was dark and twisted, and it challenges the darker side of passion, which is why I loved it too. I didn't enjoy it, but I loved it. Meanwhile, P&P's perfection just ruined my sense of reality, and now I shall die an old maid. A happy, P&P-flipping old maid.

I loved the gothic aspects of wuthering heights and became really attached to Heathcliff, however I didn't warm to Cathy as I did Elizabeth which is why I think Austen pips it. That and the fact that Mrs. Bennet is perhaps one of my favourite characters where comedy is concerned.


The only thing is for me is Wuthering Heights has been wrongly pigeonholed, especially by its own fan base. Most of the fan base of Wuthering Heights like it for surface aspects. And that's why things such as "tragic romance" and "gothic literature" will always be discussed. Hardly anyone will discuss the humour, nor want to acknowledge it even has humour.


A big flaw with every movie adaptation of Wuthering Heights I've seen is they forget that Emily Bronte had a sense of humour, and it wasn't all doom and gloom in the book. There were jokes, wit, funny insults and observations. I'm not saying Wuthering Heights is a comedy, it's certainly tragic and bleak, but there's so much more to it than that. That's why I think fans of Wuthering Heights tend to underrate it, when they ignore all the other aspects.

OMG I thought I just had a weird morbid sense of humor! Thank God the humor was intentional. lol!
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