Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!

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message 251: by Karen (new) - rated it 5 stars

Karen I agree, I liked the ending, I felt that after a terrible war life is not going to be a happy ending...ever. It was realistic both in Katnis extreme grief and her need to have the quiet stability of Peeta. People change in war and Gale is an expample of someone letting their desire for revenge hurt more than just the intended.


message 252: by Ektaa (new) - rated it 1 star

Ektaa I don't mind so much about how it ended, just the way she made it end. Through out the books, I thought she had a built a captivating and entertaining story, with intricate details and enthralling twists, like building a tall house of cards, nice and elaborate and deeply addictive. While she did excellent in building it, I think she lost something while bringing it down. Instead of using that same delicate method of building, she just broke the whole thing down with one swish of her hand making it end abruptly, with no logical order or reasoning.


Sachelle Ektaa wrote: "I don't mind so much about how it ended, just the way she made it end. Through out the books, I thought she had a built a captivating and entertaining story, with intricate details and enthralling ..."

My thoughts exactly, it's like being given the idea that you're going to disneyland or something but you end up at a circus down the road.


message 254: by Cat (new) - rated it 2 stars

Cat Geetanjali wrote: "Sara wrote: "I had no idea what she was doing with the end of the book!
WTH! OK I can deal with nearly all of Katniss's little 'star' squad dying as the get to the capital (I was sooooo sad when Fi..."


I understand that Katniss had to change, of course I do!
The thing was yeah Katniss changed, people died, we all know there is heartache in war, and the ending aren't supposed to be that crappy happily-ever-after stuff. What I hate is the way Suzanne wrote about Katniss's slow slip into insanity, wondering how Katniss is going to kill herself, having Katniss just chucked back in District 12, then that load of s*** called the Epilogue!
I was prepared for sadness, and losing those characters we all loved, blah blah blah....
What I wasn't prepared for was for Suzanne to just say
"I'm tired now, F*** this, that'll do"
I expected a little more work to a least make the ending satisfying.


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Sara wrote: "Geetanjali wrote: "Sara wrote: "I had no idea what she was doing with the end of the book!
WTH! OK I can deal with nearly all of Katniss's little 'star' squad dying as the get to the capital (I was..."


i agree!!!!!


message 256: by [deleted user] (new)

I still love all the books and think that the ending made sense in that Prim had to die but I do REALLY wish there was more books to come d:


message 257: by Ektaa (last edited May 23, 2012 08:54PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Ektaa Sara wrote: "What I wasn't prepared for was for Suzanne to just say
"I'm tired now, F*** this, that'll do""


I think that's exactly what she said. And it was unfair to the reader AND to the previous two books. She let them both down.


message 258: by Victoria (new) - added it

Victoria Sorry a lot of people don't like the ending, but I have to admit it was consistent with the tale. And no, I am not the target audience, I'm 64. I've probably known more people who have been to war and how they came back. I graduated HS in 1965 and college in 1969, so I knew a LOT of people who were involved in a war. The author has been criticized for the content and story line of this series but in a world where teenagers fight, kill and die in real wars, she had a right to tell this story. No, it didn't end "happily". Sometimes life doesn't. And that, too, made it a good story,


message 259: by Jennie (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennie I didn't mind the ending so much, I didn't really care that Prim died. I didn't care if she picked Peeta or Gail.(all thou it would have been nice if she had picked one, and not just stayed with whoever was around) What I did care about was HOW it was done. So rushed and no real answers to anything of any real importance, and the last, and biggest fight she passes out ffs!!! You didn't get to see or feel how it all went down you got told, sort of. To me the whole ending was just lazy. In fact most of the book was rather lazy and just let the other two down!!


Natalie The epilogue is just amazing. It's the sweetest damn thing you'll ever read<3
I keep on re-reading, because every time I'm about to cry.


message 261: by Yvonne (new) - rated it 2 stars

Yvonne This was not a good third book to end the series. I found i started skimming through chapters as i did not care about the characters in the third segment .


message 262: by Fathom (new) - added it

Fathom The ending was a bit rushed but in the long run it fit. First, Katnis was completely dedicated to those she considered hers. Prim was the catalyst for the books but in away that explains her obbsion with getting Peta back. She was a protector.. that to her was her job. She went into the games to protect her sister. She needed to get Peta back because it was her fault that Snow had tortured him.
I think Prim's death was proof that no matter how much she tried she failed. The fact that Gales idea helped kill her little sister beat the idea deaper. Then when she healed and went to the final meeting with Snow to get the rose he told her the things she was thinking. At the meeting with Coin add more failure as she realized her sisters death was meaningless and nothing was going to change.
Killing Coin was the only honnorable thing she had left. She was going down the mytar and believed that only she should be the one to suffer.
As for the two children in the Eiplouge, remember she said she would never have children because of the games. 15 years later she was secure enough to have some, but again the nightmares would never go away.


N.L. Dufour David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."

i couldnt agree more with you - i felt like she stopped writing the story and just started telling us what happened. sister died, love interest gone, mother left without looking back, and other love interest sticks around so that must mean true love? hmm... i was disappointed considering it was such a good series.

i get people die and people leave but show me what happens, dont just tell me because you are tired of writing and need it to end already. idk - just how i felt about it


message 264: by [deleted user] (new)

i just really HATED the last book!!!!!!!!!


message 265: by Teresa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Teresa Lindsey wrote: "I think it was a nice break from cookie cutter endings where everyone ends up happy and the girl has to make a heart-breaking decision between her two beaus. Boo-hoo."

YES!

This book ended the way that sort of situation ends in the real world. Some are dead, some hearts are broken, some people are just broken.

The survivors struggle on and try to make things better in whatever ways they can. They try to shield the next generation from the horror and the terror while raising them so that they won't repeat it.


Timothy Worst Ending Ever?

I don't know. I've seen Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes.


message 267: by Brett (last edited May 28, 2012 10:34PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Brett Anika *Who is very obsessed with cheese!* wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew that Katniss wouldn't be able to forgive him for tha..."

*** SPOILERS, not that you need this by now... ***

One of the worse cases of "writers convenience" I've ever read...it was a necessary (and terrible in my opinion) method for the author to use in order to have fate deem which of two otherwise capable men she would end up with, not by choice, not by an act of will and sincere desire, but by chance...since the author chose to destroy (from the inside) the girl Katniss we all grew to know and love and root for in the first book, this fierce independently minded individual, the most important thing in her world being her sister (for which she frequently forgets while bemoaning her awful circumstances starting in book 2....but mostly book 3)...of course Katniss couldn't make a choice of which man in the end, she couldn't even choose which pair of socks to put on given the condition she found herself at the end.

I was really disappointing with how it all ended, the jarring realism aside. (which I normally prefer and praise) but I think it could have concluded so much better with such a strong protagonist at the helm of this story.

Sometimes we don't want the realistic effects of war on an individuals mind (as important as this fact may be) because sometimes we want heroes. even ridiculously empowered, inspiring to the weak heroes...examples to be utterly moved by. Katniss WAS that sort of hero in the first book, she CHOSE to take the place of her sister by her own effort, she MADE the decision that would define her character from that point on, and she maintained a level of optimism concerning life (for her sister and for Peeta to survive throughout the series until approx book 3 when she basically forgot they exist or that their future matters in the larger context.

She didn't even get the victory over killing coin, because of Snow smiling...she was quite possibly manipulated until the very end. She couldn't even assert that much of a "choice" - really sad to me.

RIP KATNISS.

For me Katniss and the Hunger Games proper ended in book 2 and it's a real crying shame.


message 268: by Niara (new) - rated it 2 stars

Niara Half way through I was ready to give up, but I still had faith that Peeta wouldn't be homocidal, they'd be togethre and Katniss would eventually realize that Coin was her enemy and somehow manage to become a part of politics other than the rebel mascot. Boy was I wrong. i should've just quit while I was ahead and let my imagination do all the work, but like a true reader I trudged on.


message 269: by Monika (new)

Monika (Sorry for my bad english) I hated the ending. But not just because it didn't end the way I've wanted it to. I do understand, that the games and the war changed Katniss, and that's why she did what she did in the end, but the fact is, everyone knew Coin was as bad as Snow (the fact, that noone reported Katniss after she did not obey in 8, and when she was told not to trust them by Boggs before he died just shows us, that everyone knew, that Coin just wanted power), and Katniss knew that way before she figured out it was Coin who killed Prim. My question is... why didn't she do anything while she still could, while she wasn't as broken as she was after Prim's death? For me it just doesn't fit the character. The Katniss we knew would have started a revolution inside the revolution, kill Snow and Coin with a couple of hundred of new rebels, who wouldn't fight just for a new leader, they would fight for a whole new ruling system, where every persons voice would matter and no one would have a lesser chance of survival.

IF a darker ending was needed, I wouldn't have minded for the war to be lost. The rebels in a dungeon, before being tortured, just about to take their nightlock pills, Katniss realizing, that everyone she cares about will be dead too, thinking it was all for nothing, when someone explains, that even tho they were not the first and won't be the last to try and overcome Capitol without success, someone eventually will. The Capitoll will remind this failure of the Mockingjay to their slave districts to spread fear, but eventually someone will be brave enough to start the uprising again, remembering her as a symbol of courage, only this time, they wouldn't make the same misstakes. With that little hope, all of the rebels take nightlock and die, knowing the horror their loved ones will have to suffer, that the hunger games will continue, that millions of people will now suffer just as they did before if not worse, but hopefull, that some day, maybe after hundreds of years it will all be over.


Bass Drop (Joshua)  Burda Really, should we have to fight a war over a single part where Prim dies, and snow ends up getting killed by Katniss' hand? If its the last book in the series, as long as it has a ending that is better then "AND THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER, THE END." i'm perfectly fine with it.


message 271: by Nic (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nic I thought the ending was crap too, but not because of the deaths (except maybe Finnick's, especially because of where that leaves poor Annie). The thing that really left me disappointed was that the semi-epilogue told you NOTHING about how society was moving forward, or what happened to any of the other characters. The last chapter is just a heavy-handed "war is bad, see!" and wastes the wrap-up with Katniss deciding to love Peeta. This isn't of Twilight, for god's sake- the love triangle is not what we're reading this for (most of us, anyway).


Kristin Mightymoose wrote: "Its sad to see how many people miss the point. It doesn't bode well for our future."

Agreed lol


I.M. Luke I totally agree! I was really getting into it finally, to tell you the truth i couldn't get into Mocking Jay AT ALL. But when i finally did get into it and finally get through to the end, she flippin has her and Peeta have some unnamed children. And never tells us what the heck were her repercussions for shooting Coin. And what the heck happened to the President who's name eludes me at the moment. But that's beside the point. What is the point is that the ending felt rushed. It's like she ran out of ideas and slapped some slap dash ending to it. So I've read Hunger Games and Catching Fire multiple times but I avoid rereading Mocking Jay at all costs because it just makes me angry everytime I read it. -_-


I.M. Luke Jzburda (Joshua) wrote: "Really, should we have to fight a war over a single part where Prim dies, and snow ends up getting killed by Katniss' hand? If its the last book in the series, as long as it has a ending that is be..."

Yes i totally agree. You just about summed it up.


message 275: by Bill (new) - rated it 2 stars

Bill Golden Ivory wrote: "And what the heck happened to the President who's name eludes me at the moment."

She did say that, after Katniss shot Coin, the crowd tore Snow to pieces.


message 276: by Sunny (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sunny I really enjoyed Mockingjay up until the ending. I was left with an "excuse me" on my face. I guess you can't have it all in life.


message 277: by Alberto (last edited Dec 18, 2012 07:13PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alberto Anika *Who is very obsessed with cheese!* wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died."

Please explain what possible motivation Coin had to risk everything -- at precisely the moment when she was finally accomplishing the rise to power she'd apparently been planning for decades -- in order to kill Prim. It doesn't make any sense.

Collins made Coin kill Prim, solely so that Katniss would kill Coin. But that's very sloppy writing. Characters' motivations are supposed to make sense WITHIN the book.

WHY would Coin kill Prim? There's no reason at all. That's why it's a crappy ending. Not because Prim died, but because Prim died in a completely illogical way. Collins killed her, not any of the characters in the book.


message 278: by Diana (new) - rated it 2 stars

Diana Michael wrote: "I agree completely. I loved Hunger Games, thought Catching Fire was a decent sequel, and felt Mockingjay was a total mess.

I feel stongly that YA novels, however dark their plots, should end on a..."


Totally agree!!!!


message 279: by Erin (new) - rated it 2 stars

Erin i overall just didn't like this book.


message 280: by Nabila (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nabila I actually couldn't agree more :( I loved the first and the second book but the third was a huge let down. The ending didn't suit my taste and I just disliked it :/


Maureen Stevenson Katniss never truly loved Gale in that way. She loved him as a brother and that is why she ended up with Peeta. Gale was the one who loved her more than a sister and because she chose Peeta, he chose service. to be as far as possible from her.

It was brutle having Prim die, but life is brutle in the districts.

I do agree that she could have easily written a fourth book to answer alot of the unanswered questions, but then there would be people out there that would have been all mad that she bothered with a fourth :)


message 282: by Olivia (new) - rated it 4 stars

Olivia Parsons It was a logical ending. Maybe it wasn't how you wanted it to turn out, but it made logical sense.


message 283: by Teri (new) - rated it 5 stars

Teri I agree COMPLETELY!!! I have all three books in my classroom library, but whenever a student checks out the third one, I always let them know that the ending renders the entire premise completely pointless. I was so angry when I read the ending that I have not read the novels a second time, which is something I usually do when I love a book. I've read the Harry Potter series numerous times. It's far better than Hunger Games, and J. K. Rowling knows exactly how the hell to end a series!


message 284: by Teri (last edited Dec 19, 2012 04:03PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Teri Eli wrote: "Kobuu wrote: "David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why di..."

This is supposed to be in response to message 49 by Eli.

I don't think the idea was a fourth novel. It was to not have the ending of the third one suck. It was to not kill off the only reason Katniss got involved in the Games in the first place - to save her sister's life. Why the hell Collins killed off that character is beyond me. I don't necessarily need a completely rosy ending, but one that doesn't wipe out the entire reason for it in the first place would be nice.


message 285: by Eliana (new) - rated it 2 stars

Eliana I CRIED SO MUCH AT THE END OF MOCKINGJAY! I was so sad and disappointed. The rest of the series was fine, but it was almost like Collins picked up and just left. She didn't FINISH the freaking book! I regret reading that series (well, I'm glad I did, because now I know what people talk about when they talk about the Hunger Games) because it had a negative affect on me. I thought I would never stop thinking about the ending and it would haunt me forever (like sad/bad endings always do for me). Of course it didn't, but still...I hated it!


message 286: by Ultra (new) - rated it 1 star

Ultra Graytiger Woot high five i thought it was bullsht collins was just trying to be inspireing or whatever but it didnt work the ending sucked like most endings do but this one was the suckiest i think in my opinion the best ending is the outsiders and tigers curse


message 287: by Rabia (new) - rated it 3 stars

Rabia Idil You are totally right! Everything started from Prim and now Prim dead! Of course book was also good, but I waited for different more creative endingg!The series was good, but the end was really weird.


message 288: by Ultra (new) - rated it 1 star

Ultra Graytiger Children die all over the world! Shes just making it sound like prim is the firat child to ever die or whatever and the end was wierd but suckish nontheless.it was a big dissapointment


message 289: by Nic (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nic The ending may have been realistic and purposely brutal, but to me it felt incomplete. We only really find out who Katniss ends up with, as if that's the whole point of the series. Nothing about how the society, the districts, and the Capitol move forward after the revolution.


Stepheny David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."

I agree. I titled my review of this book- "The worst ending to a series in the history of writing." Sorry, but I can not help but feel this book was rushed and that she just didn't give the story enough time to develop. I am not saying everything had to end happy but you dont kill Prim when the WHOLE POINT of her volunteering herself was to save her...it completely undoes everything that happens in the beginning. SOME issues needed to be resolved, they didn't all have to end so miserably and it just felt wrong. The districts were still seperated, Haymitch was still a drunk introvert and Katniss acted as if she could care less that she was with Peeta which was completely unfair to him.... Out of the series this is the worst and I really didn't enjot this book. Even the writing itself was bad, not just the story.


message 291: by Aly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Aly Closser I have to admit the ending was sad but it was awesome too i loved that series it was amazing so y'all stop hating on my favorite book


message 292: by Ultra (new) - rated it 1 star

Ultra Graytiger People gonna hate people gonna love


message 293: by Sara (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sara Burr I, too, felt the same as you when I initally read the book. Prim's death made me think that the whole series had been for nothing. After all, wasn't Katniss' determination to keep Prim alive the whole basis for the book? But, contemplating it, I think it was the best way to end the series. Not every story has a happy ending (this is especially true in real life) and I commend Susan Collins with not sticking to the cliched 'And they all lived happily ever after ending'. Instead, she created an ending that left the reader stunned and made them think about the true consequences of our decisions.


Jazzy When I read this book, I literally had to force myself to finish it. I got sick and tired of it. Plus she should have ended up with Gale instead of Peeta.


message 295: by Annie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Annie I loved the series, and yes the ending was tragic...but war is never beautiful. And at least she was happy at the very very end...Katniss deserved that....she could have never been with Gale after Prim died...she would have always had that lingering doubt, hate and sadness in the back of her mind...it would have torn them apart... Peeta and Katniss deserved to be together...it was right...


message 296: by Isy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Isy H. Agreed.


Julia Joanne Black I have found the ending rushed but not bad at all. I love Suzanne Collins way of writing. Very subtle.


Shaylee Ford I'm a very intellegent/mature 11yearold. I read the books in march and hated the ending. What's up with that euligy?!! I absolutly hated that. How did buttercup get back anyways?? I can't be the only person that wonderd that. What happend to gale? Any one else want to write a strongly worded letter to Ms.Collins?


message 299: by Aly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Aly Closser Sara wrote: "I, too, felt the same as you when I initially read the book. Prim's death made me think that the whole series had been for nothing. After all, wasn't Katniss' determination to keep Prim alive the ..." True! i have admit that. But i still loved the book


message 300: by Aly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Aly Closser To be honest.... I loved the book in it's self i hated the way they did the move of it. I mean yeah the ending of the book was said but the final ending was sweet i loved it. So y'all can judge the book as much as you want this is just my opinion. Anyone agree with me?
~Destiny


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