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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!
i have reread the ending many times, to feel that emptiness. Everything that have happened in the characters where truly disturbing and i think there are a lot of loose ends that need to be considered. But again, i think this is the best possible option for Collins to end the story. It is better to be this way than to stretch the story more where it is no longer necessary and will just ruin the personality of the characters.
It was like salvaging the whole wreck in the characters' life.
It was like salvaging the whole wreck in the characters' life.

Katniss went into the games to save Prim-and so if Collins wanted to twist a knife in our hearts-it should have been Katniss who died. I'm not saying she deserved to, or that Prim was even a really important character for me-I don't think I cried I was just shocked-but it would have sent her message home a lot more.
There was no love triangle in this story. I think there was supposed to be but she changed tack. I actually would have preferred her to Finnick, who's a lot like Tristan in my books. Gale just sort of dissolved to nothing and Peeta actually sort of became a big nothing, but yeah, would have preferred Gale over Peeta.
I just don't get what happened. I can think of ten different ways that story could have been ended (actually written-all of Mockingjay was pretty blah compared to the first two which were incredible!) but we got the story we were given.
I've re-read them 5 times now but stop after the first 2-I end it in my own head!

I agree with what you said especially about prim !! After spending so much time on the three books and have it end like that was annoying. I did like how there was a happy ending with Katniss and Peeta . Im a sucker for the hollywood ending (Even though a lot of people died in this )



I COMPLETELY agree with everything you said! That's soooo true, you pretty much mentioned what I couldn't write without getting annoyed;) lol."
Ha ha

eh. i hated the ending. (12 by the way)
i think the author should have explained it more in the end. it seems like she is rushing the ending.

Basically, you've shown us that you have missed the point of A Song of Ice and Fire entirely, and drawn a completely false analogy between that and The Huger Games.
George R. R. Martin's purpose behind the books (and, by extension, the show) is to take all of the tired cliches and tropes in fantasy fiction and toss them. Heroes die, villains get rewarded, good does not triumph over evil 100% of the time, and the the noble soul does not ride off into the sunset with an ale in hand and the hottest wench on the continent on his... er... saddle, because all of that has been done to death. The "pointless deaths" in Game of Thrones are the entire point!
(By the way... Joe Abercrombie does the anti-cliched fantasy much better. Just saying.)
Meanwhile, Collins' point with Prim was much clearer: war is destructive, and harsh, and innocents die in the crossfire all of the time. All the sacrifice Katniss did for her to live a sheltered life in District 12 was useless once the rebellion against the Capitol broke out. In short, it was meant to punctuate the fruitlessness of war.
It also served to illustrate that neither side of the conflict was innocent. Coin was as corrupt and horrific as Snow.

Lol anti-santa.
And I think Collins spent a good deal of time in those books pointing out that suffering was the negative means to a positive end. For every terrible thing that happened, something wonderful happens after to prove the worth of putting others first. It instills a mood within the reader. But in the end, she didn't continue that pattern and people are upset because they had depended on a happy ending that was somewhat promised but not delivered.
Once old mate loses his head in GOT, the bar is set for the rest of the series. You know everyone is at risk and will have their moment of tragedy. But in the Hunger Games, you expect otherwise.

That's because people's reactions to the Red Wedding were so far over the top, it was comical. People who had read A Storm of Swords knew exactly what was about to happen, and made sure to record every last gasp and tear from their friends who were just learning that GRRM spared no one.
I As to the rest... while I can sort of see where you're coming from, I think it's naive to assume that the pattern would continue to the end. By having a safe, predictable ending, she would have lost a lot of the impact for her deeper messages.
Once old mate loses his head in GOT, the bar is set for the rest of the series. You know everyone is at risk and will have their moment of tragedy. But in the Hunger Games, you expect otherwise.
...and that's exactly why the end of Mockingjay is so much better than the book leading up to it.

Do I need to explicitly state "in my opinion?" :-P
A thread implies discussion. I am merely promoting and participating in this discussion. I already put forth my reasons why the ending is superior to the entire storyline leading up to it earlier in the thread. If I need to, I'll expand on it when classes let out.



naw I feel sorry for you having your Peeta heart broken like that :(

Awww thanks :)

some miserable feelings i felt in this book .
xoxo



thats your opinion but i loved the ending .... sorry.... not sorry


That's a really interesting way to put it. I never thought about having Peeta die for her. I like it much better than the ending because in my opinion, it's better to die who you are than live who you're not. I loved Peeta so much and I think your ending would also really show the readers that Katniss pulls it together and realized who she really loves. :D


I swear I felt the same thing as you! But it is such kind of stupid (yet amazing) authors that seriously make me want to threaten them to rewrite the book!I think it was TOTALLY fucking NOT necessary to make Prim die in the story. It would really be maddening to think of Katniss without Prim or Gale..



have the same feeling here... i was happy on the Catching Fire since Collins didnt put Prim as tribute, but then on the Mockingjay she killed her in the worst way... that made me suffer emotional torture and i guess i can't recover soon since im deeply-so-in-love with Primrose character.

I was so confused when I turned the last page, I felt numb, I didn't know what to think. I think I might have actually been a little in shock or grief or something.
Then for a while I absolutely hated the ending, then I love-hated it, because even after weeks I couldn't forget about it and that means something, right?
Now, I guess I kinda like it.
It makes so much sense, because it does NOT make sense and it doesn't have to. I mean, what is the whole book about? About terrorising a people by showing them war and death and love and then leaving them with just a spark of hope to make them believe in a happy ending and that everyone DOES have a chance in the end. Which is just not reality. The strongest one wins and the others die. LOTS of people die in a war. Why should a fragile little girl be spared just because she's the sister of someone? I mean sure, I know that novels don't exist to exactly depict reality, but I like that the author chose the ending to be like that. After everything she's been through, who would have believed a Katniss-marries-her-true-love-and-lives-happily-ever-after-ending? That's not was the story was about anyway. The weird love triangle thing was just in the background and partly faked anyway. And I guess she did manage to be kind of content in the end, just the fact that she decides to have children shows that (which means she hopes that the world they will live in is not going to be as horrible as the world she grew up in). Phew.... it's weird how this still affects after literally YEARS.
Good series. I like it :) Brilliantly done.
And I'm looking forward to the second movie. (Jennifer Lawrence is a treasure)
Wow, rant over, there mind, have some peace :D

Your premise is flawed because you believe fiction does not have to make sense. It actually does. I could not care less if Katniss marries Peeta or Gale or President Snow. The fact is that the author abdicated her responsibility to present a clear, logical, well presented story for. . . well, I have no clue why, she just did. Things like plot development, character development, use of POV. . . nope, fuck all that. Theme trumps all and the story has to serve her theme.
I know reality sucks. I know good guys don't always win and we don't all marry the homecoming queen and sometimes you can't stop the ones you love from dying. I know governments are oppressive and rich people are greedy and people die in war.
Since I know all this, Mockingjay wasted my time by not only telling me happy endings don't exist, but it had nothing new to say about the subject. Worse yet, this subject was presented in a confusing, rushed way and violated the character development of Katniss. A writer's job, in order to not waste the time of the reader is to either say something new or present something already known in an interesting way so we get new insight on the topic and ourselves.
Collins did neither in Mockingjay.

THIS. I mean, so many people in this thread assumed others don't love the ending because it wasn't a happy one. No. Absolutely not.
Look at A Song of Ice and Fire. It's f****** heartbreaking, good guys are being killed off in every book, bad guys triumph...that series represents the reality of war and is epic. I love it, it's one of my favorites.
Mockingjay, on the other side, is just so rushed and sloppy. THAT is my problem with it, not that it didn't get a typical happy ending.
To conclude, I don't need a happy ending to love a book, just that it makes sense, has no plot holes etc. Mockingjay failed miserably at that.

I mean come one! Hollywood called it a frseh take on feminine heros. And then she gets depressed and relies and Peta. Ugh smh


that's what i hated most on the book... death of Prim.. it's a good book, yes coz it affect us all much, then Collins is a good writer!


I found myself in a difficult situation where I didn't know how to keep up with the book. I am not sure how to put it into words but it was like there was too much too all over the place. That is probably the only thing I really disliked about the book. But as much as I became sadden by Prim's death, Cinna's as well, I think it was necessary for the sole purpose of the book. Katniss would not have been able to figure out that Coin was using her, so that Coin can rule over Panem. I just wished that she would have been able to kill Snow herself as well as a payback for all the things He did to her.

I think it was a realistic ending with the characters running true to form. Prim's death was necessary as the catalyst to kill Coin who would have been as oppressive a leader as Snow had been. Coin's actions also stymied Katniss' mission to capture Snow and kill him, foreshadowed when Coin said 'I'll flip you for it', when Katniss made it a condition for her to be the Mockingjay.
Far from being emotionless when Prim died, Katniss goes into a profound depression only to recover long enough to kill Coin. In this, she became like her mother who suffered depression when her husband died. The detachment on Katniss' part on the deaths of Finnick and Boggs is the detachment of soldiers in battle whose friends and companions are being killed around them. You have to get on with the job and mourn later.
The gulf between Katniss and Gale was there before Prim died. They had different values and the only times she seemed inclined to show him affection was when he was in pain or wanting to alleviate her own out of loneliness and desperation (ie. Gale saying it was like kissing someone who's drunk).
It's not only any blame Katniss may feel towards Gale's part in Prim's death it's also about Gale's feelings of guilt. Both of them remind each other of Prim, not to mention all the other children killed. Gale doesn't even have the courage to visit Katniss while's she recovering from her burns (something else Gale may feel guilty about)- it's not just about Katniss feeling anger towards Gale, it's also about Gale feeling anger towards himself.
The end of their relationship was foreshadowed in HG when Katniss says that if Gale married, she would not be jealous but would miss her hunting partner. And, since Gale ends up with a fancy job in District 2, would he have made a good companion for a girl suffering from PTSD who prefers to live a quiet life?
Katniss loved Peeta by the end of CF. It's not articulated but Katniss' actions make it obvious - just not obvious to Katniss. Haymitch said to Peeta in HG that it would take a lot to convince her.
Katniss isn't a girl who wanted to be a hero. She's a survivor who found herself buffeted by events and the people around her. It wasn't her idea to be a symbol for the rebellion. It was Cinna's idea to 'market' her as such. The people's idea to adopt it. And then Coin's idea to exploit it. Katniss' moment of greatness came when she killed Coin - entirely her own idea and entirely for her own reasons.
The ending was hopeful. It would be unrealistic for Katniss not to have ill-effects from what had happened to her. Katniss having children of her own demonstrated how much trust and hope Katniss had for the future.

I don't believe prim had to die but it was a good way to further the story. Without prims death there wouldn't have been a reason to kill coin, something that needed to be done. Not only that but katness is now in a prime possition to do so, if she failed there wouldn't be much that coin could do to extract revenge or set an example besides physical torture.
As for the gale and Pete thing. I don't believe it would have ended differently if prim survived. Yes katness and gale were friends since the beginning but war has changed them both and they gradually grew apart. I don't believe she would have be able to accept his mercenary way of thinking in the long run. I believe she would have seen peta as a better match in the end, or more likely in my opinion stayed single and lived with her sister.

Tamen wrote: "This ending was not as "realistic" as people keep saying. It offered up a version of reality but not the only or a complete version of reality (people overcome and find happiness all the time afte..."
I understand that's it frustrating and the writing style leaves something to be desired. However the story ended well for what it was. Katnisses ending represented everyone else's outcomes as well as her own. it wasn't perfectly happy or even good for some, but it was livable and more importantly hopeful. Throughout the whole story katness was the poster child for the districts, there life style, pain, and fighting spirit when push. Why should the ending be any different?

I whole heartedly agree with everything you say except the last part. I felt that Katniss didn't choose to kill Coin. I felt that she was manipulated into it by Snow, and that feeling tainted the whole thing. It made Katniss just a pawn. I would've liked it better if it had been Katniss's choice, but after her last talk with Snow followed by Snow's laughter after Katniss shot Coin, made me feel that he had pushed her to do it. That was what bothered me about the ending, that this strong girl who chose to eat the berries rather than play the Capitol's game in the first book basically became a pawn used by everyone in the end. I prefer to see characters grow rather than regress even if regression is just as, maybe even more in some cases, realistic.

I would have been disappointed if it had ended any other way.


Hi Maryann,
There's two reasons why I don't think Snow manipulated Katniss into assassinating Coin. Snow certainly puts it into Katniss' head that it was a rebel bomb that killed the Capitol children and Prim. He gives a plausible story but Katniss isn't convinced. She reasons it out - she knows for a fact the rebels had those kind of double-exploding bombs (but not sure if the Capitol did), Snow made no escape attempt, and she agrees with his assessment of Coin. She also questions why a thirteen-year-old was sent to the front line and that the order must have come from high up. She speculates as to how this would benefit Coin and comes up with two possible explanations - to break her or to bring her on side. Remember Boggs' warning - that if Katniss didn't support Coin as Snow's successor, she was a threat.
When she asks Gale if it was his bomb, he can't deny that it might have been. Lastly, Katniss remembers the agreement she made with Snow that they wouldn't lie to each other. He hadn't given her any reason before not to believe him.
However, that's only one part of Katniss' motivation in killing Coin. The other is the continuance of the Hunger Games - its abolition the reason why Katniss rebelled. Haymitch asks Coin whether it was Plutarch's idea. Coin says it was hers. So Katniss thinks it over - we're not given details of how she does it - and then votes 'yes', 'for Prim'. The reader knows that's the last thing Prim would have wanted, however, if Katniss voted differently Coin would know she didn't have Katniss' full support.
So even if a case can be made for Snow manipulating Katniss about the bomb, he had nothing to do with Coin proposing another Hunger Games.
I can't put into words my frustration with this book I absolutely loved the first and second but then mockinjay was really badly put together and there were so many gaps in the storyline and so many unanswered questions.
I'm not one for cookie cutter endings..and despite what some of you are saying I hated how it ended in a sad way because for me a book is supposed to be an escape from real life where people die and bad things happen, I already hear enough about death and war in the world... And although prims death played a big part in the story I still don't think her death was necessary SC could have found another way to kill off coin she's a writer! ... Oh yeah and finnick and Boggs dying what the hell!! That was totally unnecessary.
I'm not one for cookie cutter endings..and despite what some of you are saying I hated how it ended in a sad way because for me a book is supposed to be an escape from real life where people die and bad things happen, I already hear enough about death and war in the world... And although prims death played a big part in the story I still don't think her death was necessary SC could have found another way to kill off coin she's a writer! ... Oh yeah and finnick and Boggs dying what the hell!! That was totally unnecessary.

Prim's death achieved quite a few things. It severed the last link between Gale and Katniss leaving her free to be with Peeta without guilt about hurting Gale. It gave Katniss another reason to kill Coin. It also gave her the excuse to (nominally) agree to another Hunger Games ('for Prim'). As a 'Greek Tragedy', which the story is based on (Greek drama was nearly always based on Greek myth, HG on the Theseus myth specifically), it was the final irony that the purpose for Katniss's original sacrifice came to nothing in the end.
And possibly the most important reason is that the double exploding bomb, intended to also kill the people who came to the victims aid, ended up killing people from both sides. It's all very well to think of the victims as abstract figures or collateral damage, as Gale did, until it affects you personally.
David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."
I totally agree. But, the best books leaving u feel that way. The best books make u feel so meesed up at the end, and really make u feel the character's feelings
I totally agree. But, the best books leaving u feel that way. The best books make u feel so meesed up at the end, and really make u feel the character's feelings
David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."
i agree i hated the ending and it really confused me to. i thought then ending would be amazing but my expectations were not met and it was disappointing...
i agree i hated the ending and it really confused me to. i thought then ending would be amazing but my expectations were not met and it was disappointing...
same I really was disappointed with the ending I WANT TO KNOW MORE :)
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