Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!

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Fredrika I like realistic endings, but this one was just so cheezy and wierd...At first, I thought the ending was fine, you know, I could live with it. But then Suzanne Collins HAD to write this stupid epilogue that, actually, ruined the trilogy completely. An epilogue that made me hate Peeta even more than I thought was possible. It was just way too OOC...:(


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Fredrika wrote: "I like realistic endings, but this one was just so cheezy and wierd...At first, I thought the ending was fine, you know, I could live with it. But then Suzanne Collins HAD to write this stupid epil..."
i agree. why do you hate peeta, i like him but i like gale better.


Suzanne Richardson Rylee wrote: "...when her sister was killed and she ends up murdering Snow,"

*ends up murdering Coin

FTFY


Fredrika Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "Fredrika wrote: "I like realistic endings, but this one was just so cheezy and wierd...At first, I thought the ending was fine, you know, I could live with it. But then Suzanne Collins HAD to write..."

Well, I think he's kind of lame...


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true dat.lame compared to gale and katniss. hes a softie. well i dont care for the last book anymore, it ruined the whole series.


Fredrika Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "true dat.lame compared to gale and katniss. hes a softie. well i dont care for the last book anymore, it ruined the whole series."

Yeah, I mean, his only skill is baking bread...Oh, and decorating cookies!! I almost forgot!

Sure, he can throw heavy things around, but, really, he only won because of Katniss.

PLease remember: this is just my oppinion.


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Chin123 David wrote: "Chin123 wrote: "WTF! Prim dies!!!!!!!"

Why would you click on the thread when I clearly said "Ending" the title."


Chill...


Gregory Lamb David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."
David,
I thought it was just me thinking that Suzanne was poisoned with LSD sometime halfway through writing "MockingJay".

I can't say I echo all your sentiments, but you are not alone in your opinion that her latest didn't measure up. Makes me wonder if there was pressure from the agent or editor. Just another plug for the "Indi" authors to go with "Indi" publishing.


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Jenny David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."

i agree with you! there are times when i wished i never did read this series, it wasn't a great series and half of the time, i didn't even know what the hell was going on in these books. to me, it was just a waste of time


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Kirby Scotton Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew that Katniss wou..."

Um, did you read the book because that's not how it ended.


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Eli Kirby wrote: "Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew th..."

The entire community who has read this book just facepalmed. Yeah, thats how Mockinjay, for the most part. Katniss kills Coin, they then decide to make another Hunger Games using capitol citizens kids, and then Katniss and Peeta live happily ever after.


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Kirby Scotton Eli wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death s..."

In the comment I replied to it said she killed Snow for starters... that's the main thing I was referring to.


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Kirby Scotton Eli wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death s..."

The post i replied to states, clearly, "
That's stupid. I agree possibly that Prim might have needed to die, but in the right way. And Collins sucks at killing people off....oh, and by the way, your favorite character just got his head blown off-moving on. Then she never acknowledges about them again. But Katniss has no motivation throughout this whole book. She doesn't seem to care if the whole country needed her, it wasn't her problem. Not until the end, when her sister was killed and she ends up murdering Snow, does she ever want to actually fight back! Collins ends it with her with Peeta and basically given up on rebelling against anything anymore. They are still controlling her and she does nothing with her life except have kids and not piss off any more people. Its crap. Oh and she shouldn't need an excuse to pick Peeta, she should just know. Not, oh well, i'm mad at Gale so i guess i don't have to choose and its fate for me to be with Peeta. No. That's a joke. "

A. I agree that Suzanne Collins has an issue with the way she kills people off. I was just as shocked as the death count got higher and higher in the final hundred pages of the book but I think it had purpose. Just as it is in the games, or war, that's how deaths occur and I think that was the point.
B. Again, correct that Katniss doesn't seem to have motivation during the book until her sister is murdered. She's a 17 year old girl, they tend to be pretty self-absorbed and I like that her character was as realistic as it was.
C. She does not murder Snow, she murders Coin and rightfully so. I loved the small twist that I saw coming because it opened a new possibility for Panem since it was obvious with Coin's desire to create another hunger games that the way she would rule would be just as bloody and bad as Snow's.
D. As for the ending, I guess it is a matter of opinion. I feel her inability to fight against anything else just exemplifies her exhaustion and how her sisters death breaks her. It mirrors her mother depression as described in the first book perfectly and I felt it was very clever for Suzanne Collins to connect them all so nicely. Although, I truly don't feel like there would be any cause for more rebellion, as described in her conversation with Haymitch. Peace and unity is across the nation and I think it makes sense for her to want to be calm and secluded.
I was disappointed in how things ended between her and Gale, not because I felt they belonged together but because there is no closure. As a reader I felt there should have been some defining moment that explained why she felt Peeta was right for her instead of Gale because I always felt it was a relization she would come to on her own. It's not "Oh I'm mad at Gale,"... it's "Here's the soft and here's the heat" and as Gale and Peeta explained, she would choose the one she couldn't survive without. What Katniss needs at the end of Mockingjay is hope, and Peeta embodies that.

So no need to facepalm... I know how the book ended.


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Eli Really? Sorry, I already facepalmed. Misinterpreted what your comment said.


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Bianca Calla I literally just finished reading Mockingjay and I do have mixted feelings about the ending but I wouldn't say its the worse I"ve ever read. I think Prim's death was not in vain for it showed Katniss that Coin was just like President Snow and that she wasn't above killing innocent children to get what she wanted. Also I actually loved the simplicity of the ending with Katniss ending up with Peeta. In a way I always knew they were going to end up together, Peeta completes Katniss, they balance eachother out while Gale and her are a little too similar. And I think its been mentioned before in this discussion, that Katniss and Gale's relationship doesn't end on such a happy note because Prim's death is sort of his fault, and I agree with that. I mean he even said it himself that the way they were planning their attacks were just like the Capitol would have. And I also like the idea of the book Katniss makes as a comemoration to the dead, that one day she can show and explain to her children. All in all, it wasn't the best ending but I liked it. Like its been said before, its a realistic ending.


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Cathy Shadowhunter wrote: "I agree! Went through all of that for this?!"

Could not agree more!


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Cathy Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "David wrote: "Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "im 12 and absolutely hated the ending, it was, lets put it politely, utter crap. first book was epic awesomeness, 2nd book was decent and 3rd book was CRAP! th..."

Well put!


Sylvie:) the ending wasn't how i expected it to be it was not the best it was okay and disappointing i didn't like how Katniss isolated herself from everyone but i understand it was the impact of Prim's death.... but still the ending was so disappointing


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Brit 3rd book felt super rushed, like she got tired of writing it. Kind of a bummer since the first 2 were good. I don't really have a major complaint about the ending really. I just felt the entire 3rd book was rushed.


Charles I think the ending was really good because it wasn't one of those crappy hapily ever after endings...... it was more realistic and it suprised mostly everyone who read it. the best part was killing coin


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David Kirby wrote: "Eli wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for P..."

Nice thoughts....


Erika L. Miller Then you obviously did not read Breaking Dawn. This is just the third worst ending I've ever read.


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David Erika wrote: "Then you obviously did not read Breaking Dawn. This is just the third worst ending I've ever read."

Nope, I didn't


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Brit wrote: "3rd book felt super rushed, like she got tired of writing it. Kind of a bummer since the first 2 were good. I don't really have a major complaint about the ending really. I just felt the entire 3rd..."
true dat, i dont even think that the 2nd book was that great, compared to the first book it is a really rubbish book. when i read the 2nd and 3rd book, i was like, where has Katniss Everdeen gone? she wasnt as tough as she used to be, it was as if she lost her hunter side.


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Amanda Lindsey wrote: "I think it was a nice break from cookie cutter endings where everyone ends up happy and the girl has to make a heart-breaking decision between her two beaus. Boo-hoo."

Oh that's so true!



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i hated the fact that SC didnt say how Peeta regained his memory or how katniss and peeta grew back together. the epilogue spoilt it for me.


MightyMoose SC DOES walk the reader through Peeta regaining his memory. True Dat. Ugh. This book should NEVER have been sold as young adult.


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Marie Suzanne Collins didnt really need to kill Prim just so that Katniss could choose Peeta. She didn't even make that choice! it just happened!! Also, if Prim didnt die, Katniss is smart enough to find a way to outsmart Coin. I felt like killing Prim was so random. Plus on top of that, it happened so fast that I had to read and re-read what actually happened to make sure I read things right the first time. Then after diving into the psychological impact this had on Katniss, it unfortunately didn't have a strong emotional pull for the readers.
I know that there can't be a happy ending to a rebellion and a war. But I also know that the ending for the whole trilogy felt rushed and definatley is not satisfying. Like, I read John Marsden's Tomorrow when the War began series... I highly recommend that book. By the end of the series, it was a happy ending, but it was satisfying enough for both the characters and readers.
Reading the end of Mockingjay just makes me want to re-read the first 2 novels of the trilogy to re-ignite my praise for Suzanne Collins.

Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew that Katniss wouldn't be able to forgive him for tha..."


Jessica how was it gale responsible for prim death ??


MightyMoose Gale never made a bomb. Gale had an IDEA for a bomb based on his snares. But even Beetee didn't know if the bomb was ever manufactured by the forces of D13.

If ideas are a crime, I'm in trouble.


Victoria Parker Dj wrote: "In my opinion the end was the best part of the book. I would hate the books if the serie ended with "everthing is fine, there are only nice people and that will continue for the rest of their lifes..."


Agreed!



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Benny I LOVED THE ENDING!


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Jon Bristow Mightymoose wrote: "Gale never made a bomb. Gale had an IDEA for a bomb based on his snares. But even Beetee didn't know if the bomb was ever manufactured by the forces of D13.

If ideas are a crime, I'm in trouble."


Collins made a point of flagging him as the source of the idea, so we are left with the impression that she wanted us to know that it was HIS bomb idea once we knew that it wasn't Snow's people. While creating the bomb is not a crime, I can see Katniss blaming Gale for giving Coin the idea in the first place. The initial domino that fell in the long cascade of events towards Prim's death.


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i just hated the last book, it was waaaaaaaay to rushed and katniss wasnt katniss.


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Eli Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "i just hated the last book, it was waaaaaaaay to rushed and katniss wasnt katniss."

Well, could you be yourself after having fought through everything that Katniss did?


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Shawn I didn't mind so much what happened, as I did how rushed it seemed. It was like she had a quota of deaths to fill in a short time.


AMythicalBeast Kirby wrote: "Eli wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for P..."

But she didn't choose, did she? If Gale had never existed we know Katniss would have ended up with Peeta. In the end I think if she had a choice it would really have been interesting to find out whom she loved more, and who she needed more. The first I think is Gale and the second Peeta. So she may have chosen Peeta after all, but Collins never gave her a chance. She packed everything up neatly and with divine intervention made choosing Gale impossible for Katniss. Just like that the whole triangle toppled.
I could see the symbolism in killing Prim and how that was necessary to catapult Katniss into both revenge and the realization that in the end she had helped another Snow come into power, and she needed to do something about it.
But after three books of agonising over whom she loved and who she loved best or if she really needed either of them in her life - THIS is how she chose to end it? By taking the decision out of her hands completely?


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Eli wrote: "Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "i just hated the last book, it was waaaaaaaay to rushed and katniss wasnt katniss."

Well, could you be yourself after having fought through everything that Katniss did?"

but i'm not katniss, katniss has always been tough and the last book was more lovey-dovey, i know it might sound stupid, but she wasnt as hunter-like as she was in the first book. but thats only my opinion.


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i'll just stick to being a PJO/HOO fan.


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Karly I feel as if the ending of the book was rushed and could have been better. I think the ending needed more explanation and a better way to end the entire series.


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David Wendylicious wrote: "I like the ending.

Life isn't all happy happy joy joy and this book reflects that. In life, people die; little sisters die.

The entire point of the book is to make the reader THINK; think about w..."


=_= No, no no. I could care less about the "Sadness" and "death" in the book. It's the fact that Collins smashed all the elements of the book really sloppy, and unorganized. She made Catching Fire the "Rising Action" of the series and at the end was the beginning of the "Climax" MockingJay was the REST OF THE Climax of the book, but half way through she smashed the "Falling Action" and Ending into one SHITTY bunch. It was rushed. She killed the characters she didn't have time to write plots for anymore. And if you noticed in the last 100 pages she does a lot of "Time Skips” Time seems to go faster. One minute there, then your here. And the worst part in when she does that stupid "30 years into the future" with Peeta. That was Sooooooo Stupid. And actually that sounds more UNREALISTIC then the idea supporters of the Ending propose!!!

I say again:

WORST. F**KING ENDING EVER!


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Loved the beginning(as in first book) hated the ending(as in last book)!


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Chin123 Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "Loved the beginning(as in first book) hated the ending(as in last book)!"

same here!


Kristin I'm so tired of people getting mad about the ending of this book. ITS A CIVIL WAR!! The ending isn't supposed to be fair or happy, its REAL! War and poverty leave orphans, widows, childless parents, and broken people. That's the point Collins is trying to make. I don't think we are supposed to "like" the ending, its supposed to make us think about the repercussions and sacrafices of the characters actions. Its supposed to be messy.


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Bill Golden I find it amusing that people are upset that the ending of a bad book is bad.

There are issues all THROUGH Mockingjay . I could be here all day long pointing out the problems (like why the Capitol put video game designers in charge of their military defenses, for starters...) and only just get warmed up.

If anything, the ending of the book is the only part that makes any bloody sense.


Natalie The ending is rushed, but the epilogue is so sweet[:


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I think people were disappointed with the ending because lingering questions were never answered & cleared. What happened to Katniss' mother, to Gale, etc. I dont want a by piece by piece account of each character & how they turned out in the end(im just making it as an example). And I agree it was rushed, the ending was rushed. I don't care whether Katniss end up with someone - Peeta/Gale, I just wished she ended up as strong and determined as she was in the first.


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Eli Jenn, Katniss's mother is in another district. That question was answered.


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Linda I agree it was a pretty dull read. I almost believe the rumors that Suzanne ripped off the Japanese author of Battle Royale when she wrote Hunger Games because she couldn't keep up the momentum with next 2 books.


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Keith Chawgo I think it is important to remember that war is messy and everyone who is involved loses something. The ending gave the story some important reality to let the reader know (whether it is young adult fiction or regular fiction) that everything can not be tied up in a happy smiley face and endings are never 100% happy, sometimes life is just contentment and I believe Collins was able to portray this through her ending.


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