Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Patrick wrote: "The books are poorly written and Bella's character is so weak it's sickening. It sends a completely wrong message to the young girls of America: You can't live without a man and when you find a gu..."Hopefully there are some teenage girls out there who are smart enough to realize it's escapist fantasy. Not a blueprint for how to live your life.
Yasmin wrote: "I think all the hype and all the team edward team damon thing ruined it"Who's damon?
Cookiemonster454136 wrote: "It's because of Bella. And who would be jealous of what Edward and Bella have??????????? Edward sparkles for Christ sake and Bella, please don't even get me started. Bella is ungrateful, didn't rea..."You missed on WHY they turned her into a vampire? To save her life and because she continually wanted to torn into one.
Koleen wrote: "I think people hate twilight so mush because they are focus on one reason alone because the twilight vampire sparkle and they think because they sparkle they are not scary they have not read t..."I had a hard time deciphering that.
Patrick wrote: "Jojo! wrote: "im not insulting i am stateing a fact"Incredibly immature. This site is all about giving constructive feedback on books and literature. People have very well thought out opinions ..."
*applause*
Kyle wrote: "Jess has it spot on. And I laughed my @ss off at the first comment! ROFLI mean seriously? Bella is the most dependent, clingy and desperate person I have ever read about. I didn't mind the books ..."
There have been tons of stories and even pieces of classical literature where young lovers commit suicide because of each other. It's something that happens. Women falling in love with abusive men - it happens. And for heaven's sake the glittering vampire...get over it everyone. If you want to read about traditional vampires, go out and read about them, she hardly eliminated it from everyone's memories. She was simply being imaginative and creative. One more thing, stop with the 'malleable young girl' nonsense. The young girls I know all have minds of their own and have read several books that could've been dangerous. But talking about young girls like their mindless zombies is insulting, they are capable of reading things and then knowing what's realistic, what's dangerous, etc.
★ Jess wrote: "omg dies laughing at the first comment! Its poorly written, poorly plotted and teaches wrong, weird morals.
Thats why."
Who said it was supposed to 'teach' anything?
Lea wrote: "Yasmin wrote: "I think all the hype and all the team edward team damon thing ruined it"Who's damon?"
I think it was supposed to be damn or damned, then the sentence would make sense. :D
I think that damon is one of the guys from the vampire diaries...I believe yasmin got her series mixed up.
Kirby wrote: "I think that damon is one of the guys from the vampire diaries...I believe yasmin got her series mixed up."I totally forgot about vampire diaries, never really registered the series, I read the firt book but thats as far as i got
but i must admit the teams are really annoying
Morgana_lefay wrote: "Kirby wrote: "I think that damon is one of the guys from the vampire diaries...I believe yasmin got her series mixed up."I totally forgot about vampire diaries, never really registered the series..."
Vampire Diaries also has a popular TV show (loosely based on the books, just like Secret Circle). On TV, the "bad boy" vampire Damon is hot and snarky, and his brother Stephan was traditionally clean cut and a "good" vampire (last season not withstanding). Both love a beautiful high school student named Elana. It's the classic love triangle teen drama, but I have read the books and I watch the TV show. Teams are annoying, but I do think the actor who plays Damon is attractive.
Sorry for the thread jack. I think the similarities may make it sort of tangential to the discussion. FWIW, I find VD to be fun escapist fantasy. It doesn't teach anything, but it doesn't have anything in it that really bothers me either. I understand it may be a subjective value judgement, but there you go.
Tangled wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "Kirby wrote: "I think that damon is one of the guys from the vampire diaries...I believe yasmin got her series mixed up."I totally forgot about vampire diaries, never really..."
I know there is a TV series but I havent seen even one episode, I think its because of the love triangle - I'm not really fond of them
Morgana_lefay wrote: "I havent seen even one episode, I think its because of the love triangle - I'm not really fond of them"I can understand that. Sometimes I get sick of them too. In general, I like romance to remain a subplot and lots of action related to a monster of the week or whatever drives the main plot or story arc. If they have to have a love triangle, though, it helps if I think the actors are hot. YMMV.
Tangled wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "I havent seen even one episode, I think its because of the love triangle - I'm not really fond of them"I can understand that. Sometimes I get sick of them too. In general,..."
Well I like romance books but I dont really like love triangles (I especially hate it if there is more than 2 ppl interested especially when there is no reason so many of them wants the girl/boy ) and I hate if one of the MC's is cheating and is forgiven in like 5 minutes because the other MC just love him/her so much or its explained that he/she just couldnt help themselves and such (thats why I didnt try to continue with house of night especially after I read a blurb that the MC doesnt understand why her friends dont talk to her anymore because she is with multiple guys)
I have read all the books and although I started out loving the series back when I was twelve. It's been five years since then and now I have developed a strong dislike towards Twilight.At a young age, I just... ate everything the book threw at me.
But now after having gone through relationships and having more of life's experiences, I find the love plot to be really unrealistic and ridiculous. I also dislike Bella as a character.She has really selfish personality attributes, and doesn't have any... strength to her. I feel that she's not exactly the greatest role model to teenage girls. Especially after Edward left, and she went all suicidal and pretty much curled up into a fetal position going through hallucinations. All because her pretty boyfriend broke up with her.
And then there's Edward. Oh Edward. Someone who on the surface is incredibly good looking and makes girls go goo-goo-ga-ga from the undivided attention and obsession he provides Bella. Cause honestly, which young girl doesn't want that? A "complete hottie who could practically impregnate you with one glance. He's just THAT hot." But if you look beyond that... I mean, he's a virgin pedophile, who breaks into her house at night and watches her. Realistically, regardless of someone's allure and smashing good looks, I'd say "Get the fuck out" and then board up my windows with... steel.
I find it funny, because if it had been anyone else and he hadn't been as "attractive" to Bella, she would've thrown a shit storm and instead of thinking him romantic, she would automatically think "what a psycho creeper."
A large part of why some people hate it is yes, the movies but also how obnoxious Twilight fans are. They ruin the experience for me by being so incredibly annoying.
Jessie said: "I have read all the books and although I started out loving the series back when I was twelve. It's been five years since then and now I have developed a strong dislike towards Twilight.At a young age, I just... ate everything the book threw at me.
But now after having gone through relationships and having more of life's experiences..."
Hahaha! I totally agree with you and all of that was pretty much true...
Mickey wrote: "I think most people on this site think there is a difference between people who didn't care for the books and "haters". Like most people, I think of how I generally react. If I don't like a book, I..."Just wanted to chime in. You've both got legitimate points. I don't care if someone has a negative opinion about the books. I think the term 'haters' refer to the people who put an obsessive amount of time/energy into letting everyone know that not only do they hate twilight, but that anyone who enjoyed it is stupid...worthless...etc etc. That's who I think the haters are.
Mattie wrote: "The reasons why some people might not like the book could just be some of things the characters did (me and my family have talked about this so I'm just adding in what we talked about). For example..."The imprinting thing was different. But it's not like any inappropriate sexual behaviors happened. Jacob took care of and protected the baby, and it solved the issue of him being in love with Bella.
Xhayleysummersx wrote: "I dislike it because I think Stephenie Meyer just made some vampire bull shit to make some money. Like really, no vampire 'sparkles' in the sun. They burn. Edward supposedly watches her sleep every..."Are people psychic? I didn't know she was going to end up with Edward. People can suspect what they want, but books always have twists and turns and surprises. Fantasy characters can do anything they want in fantasy stories. Including dangerous creatures sparkling in the sun.
Ashley wrote: "Because it's poorly written and has a pathetic female lead that's a horrible role model for young girls everywhere?"So all books have to have an amazing heroine? Young girls can't tell the difference? I was able to.
Patrick wrote: "The books are poorly written and Bella's character is so weak it's sickening. It sends a completely wrong message to the young girls of America: You can't live without a man and when you find a gu..."They are all books, so therefore they can all be discussed. I never got that message from a book. I never got the message from Flowers in the Attic that I should punish my children. I never used Stephen King's novels as any blueprint for my life either. Why are people so down on the intellect of young girls who may read this book? I mean, is there a pack of them running around searching for vampires and werewolves? And if so, I'm just going to suggest that those girls might have had a low set point to start.
Uditi wrote: "Gwynneth wrote: "Sarah wrote: "The biggest problem with Twilight is the weakness of Bella's character. She lacks self-reliance, she's dishonest, and she's a bad daughter. She puts her own desires a..."Newsflash: Men like that exist.
Kyle wrote: "Jess has it spot on. And I laughed my @ss off at the first comment! ROFLI mean seriously? Bella is the most dependent, clingy and desperate person I have ever read about. I didn't mind the books ..."
Someone please explain this to me. I did miss the whole Twilight boat in the beginning. Was Bella Swan marketed as the next amazing role models for young girls? People have all different types of personalities, but books are only supposed to have one type?
Meleenah wrote: "I think people don't like it(This is coming from a middle schooler surrounded by all the Twilight hate) today girls are absolutely obsessed with guys and a lot of guys don't like romance or anythin..."What does it have to do with the movie? People think the movie was bad sure. But I think some may have other reasons for not liking the book that have NOTHING to do with the movie. They may not like vampires, the woods, fog, fantasy, romance, etc. I love Twilight but I think it's conceited of some of the fans to think that EVERYONE must like their book. Or...they must have some shady reason for pretending not to like it. People like different books, bottom line.
{jordyn}♥ Zombielicious♥ wrote: "I think its because Meyers destroyed vampire books. I mean come on. Vampires sparkle? What happened to vampires being killers.? Since twilight has been out all these YA books are coming out with l..."I'm sorry - did she take all of the copies of Dracula and burn them or something?
Jaime wrote: "People hate it because they turned two of the main characters into "teams"s. That made it cheesy in my eyes. I read the book before I even knew about the movie, and loved it and couldn't put them d..."The teams were something I heard nothing about - I didn't care it wasn't part of my experience reading the book. I mean were people being taken into hostage and made to choose teams? I never heard any of it.
Carly wrote: "Lea wrote: "Something just occurred to me. I'm aware that these three stories have very little in common, so please don't attack me. Besides the popular arguement that Edward is an abusive stalker ..."No one said this book was supposed to be viewed as a model romance either.
Everyone wants the whole live eternally with the hottest vampire man around, it gets old, ya know? Too many variations on the same story
Plus, he's like 100 years older than her!!! That's just wrong! >.<
Marta the Magical Muffin wrote: "Plus, he's like 100 years older than her!!! That's just wrong! >.<"well to its defense there are stories where the vampires are even older but its usually not in YA books so maybe the characters being adult makes it seem a little different
Exactly, I was beginning to think everybody thought that was cool to date male cougars! Eeeewwww >.<
Lea wrote:he is also an abusive stalkerI think I agree with you for the stalker part and she always ends up getting hurt from something that she can't have...... Him!!! Take a hint bells!
Madisyn wrote: "Lea wrote:he is also an abusive stalkerI think I agree with you for the stalker part and she always ends up getting hurt from something that she can't have...... Him!!! Take a hint bells!"
huh? is there another lea? I didn't write that.
Oh haha sorry, maybe I read that That wrong
Lea wrote: "No one said this book was supposed to be viewed as a model romance either. ">.> Since it's pages ago, I have no idea which comment you responded to. If you read some of my other comments you'd know that I've said I have personally known/know people that have viewed it as a model romance and that's what I base my own personal concern and irritation.
I am not talking about supposed to be; I couldn't care less.
Lea wrote: "Madisyn wrote: "Lea wrote:he is also an abusive stalkerI think I agree with you for the stalker part and she always ends up getting hurt from something that she can't have...... Him!!! Take a hin..."
Maybe add a profile pic, it'll help with the confusion.
i think people hate it so much because they made such a great book into a horrible movie with horrible actors they made to big of a deal out of eveything so people can make fun of it moreand in my opinion bella is a horrible character who strings people along and plays mind games with everyone and makes it out to her being a damsal in destress but in reality she starts everything
Carly wrote: "Lea wrote: "Madisyn wrote: "Lea wrote:he is also an abusive stalkerI think I agree with you for the stalker part and she always ends up getting hurt from something that she can't have...... Him!!..."
I prefer not to - it's fine to have an opinion. I just haven't met someone that thinks they should use it as a blueprint for a relationship. I would probably think they weren't the brightest bulb to begin with. Not that YOU are, seem to know it's not a good idea to base real life off of it.
the book was bad before fangirls decided to make trips to forks like it was the next mecca...and with all of the popularity that the book has garnered there are going to be people who love and hate the books, if the fact that there are to many kids looking to the book as a role model for their relationships as a problem for someone, that's a good enough reason for them no need to dissect it.
I think a lot of people just like to fight what is popular.
I HATED THESE BOOKS. IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME TO READ THEM WHEN I COULD HAVE BEEN READING A BOOK THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOOD!!!!! And besides Bella seemed too 'perfect', she had no real major flaw. (clumsiness doesn't count)
Personally, I hate it because of the message it sends to the target audience. The underlying message of this book is that it's okay to change yourself to fit someone else. One of Bella's main struggles is that she isn't a vampire like Edward. She thinks that in order to love- or to be loved- she has to be a perfect being like he is. What kind of message is that? Many teenage girls who read this have a bad self image and when they see that they can be loved despite their plain appearance or clumsiness- they fall for it. But subconsciously- or maybe consciously- they see also that in order to be loved, you have to change yourself.
I don't know if other people would feel the same way but... Probably because of Bella. Throughout the series (I only read the first chapter) I've heard and read (skimmed) that she was just too dramatic. Another problem I have with the series is the fact that Bella is so hopelessly attached to Edward (who watches her sleep o_o) and that when he left her she just laid down on the forest floor like the world was going to end, pathetic much? Bella (like Sarah said) is a bad daughter because when her dad got her the car you could just tell that she hated it and was disappointed it wasn't some fancy car, annoying!
Those who legitimately enjoy reading, like myself, can see that this book sucks. It fuels the most supreme epic princess fantasy for girls. She's supposedly beautiful without knowing it, highly intelligent, too mature for her age, and everyone is either in love with her or envies her. Even when she cheats on her vampire boyfriend, he's more than understanding. Gives little girls the false hope that it doesn't matter how much they can fuck up if the guy "truly loves" you, he'll forgive you. Which is a bunch of bullshit because it's message is "me me me" and also, not to consider the feelings of others as well as ignore any repercussions of your own actions. On top of that, I think the fans have exhausted the rest of us with their obsession. I know I am.
Olivia wrote: "or they could just be dissing on the movies because of the crap acting, but have not experienced the awesome experience of the Books :D"I prefer the movies over the books any day. At least in the movies, Bella's character isn't as pathetic.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I'm not jealous.
Eward and Bella are just an awkward couple.
i think people hate twilight because it's all from bella's point of view until that section in b.d. . it's also a pretty girly type seriesi only read it cause my friends said they really liked it, and they kept making references to it that i didn't understand. i finally got fed up with not knowing and read the books. i was obsessed with them for a while but i grew out of it after a while
I think people just "hate" it because they want to be different from all the other girls. But I personally don't care who likes it Because I love Twilight.
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no, that's because the movies destroyed the books... :/"
Watching a movie should never affect your opinion of books.