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message 1: by karen, future RA queen (last edited Mar 20, 2011 08:33AM) (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
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okay, so i am just going to explain this at the top, because i did a bad job of it earlier. mea culpa. if you would like to contribute some lists here, it would be most welcome! it is very easy - just go to "bookshelves" and add a title. you will have to group your submissions in some thematic way, so after you add a title, you will create a shelf for them - something that is descriptive of the contents, like "gothic romance" or "famous people as vampires" or something. then, in the "why we're reading this" box, just give a brief annotation - 1-3 sentences is perfect - just something that gives a quick sense of what the book is "like", in terms of pacing, tone characters, setting. if you need an example of what is useful, you can check out dana's gay fiction shelf, or my wuthering heights shelf, and choose a book and hit "view", and the little annotation will pop up. it isn't hard, and it can become quite addictive. i am available for questions whenever.




another service that readers' advisors provide, besides suggesting particular books for particular needs, is compiling lists. and i know that goodreads.com has listopia, which is a fine starting point, but is a less comprehensive resource than it could be. i, personally, do not find it very user-friendly. i tried searching it yesterday to find some jewish immigrant fiction for a customer, and there were a ton of books listed under "jewish", but without being annotated, it is just a list of books. if i had ample time i could go though and read synopses and reviews to see what would be appropriate for each customer, but the reality is that most people are impatient in a bookstore/library setting. listopia is a great idea for a goodreads.com community project, and it is an excellent place for browsing, but professional work demands something more detailed and more precise. so i am going to start it off, and see if we can't get some good, annotated lists made that may be of use to both readers and workers.

here's hoping.


message 2: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
oh, i could do that, but then i wouldn't have the joy of listmaking in here!! and then i will fail!! but, i am working on one now that you will probably have fun with! stay tuned...


message 3: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
wait - to prevent things getting muddled, i just want to work on one list first,as a group, just to get a sense of it, yeah? i am trying but it is taking sooo long and i have to go out so i may have to truncate it and hope that people can fill in the gaps for me while i am out. but then after that, we can totally have a list free-for-all! but i want to all hold hands when crossing the street at the outset. this is going to require several folders, i think. but hang on - i am scurrying!


message 4: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i think i am going to have an organizational problem here, but we can fix the cosmetics later. for now, we are going to start with an easy list. dear jane austen. jane austen has many fans. people have been adapting, retelling, finishing, prequeling, adding monsters to, and otherwise meddling with her books for years. and if you look on listopia, there are tons of lists for this very thing. but i know for a fact that there are different levels of quality to these modern austens. i have two customers where i work who come to me for the new books in this "genre." and one of them is very opinionated about which ones are "good" and which ones are "bad", and the other will only read books related to pride and prejudice. so i keep lists for them, but not being a fan myself, i have no way to judge quality. so we are going to do it together. and we are not going to say "this one is bad" or "this one is good" because that is subjective, and we leave that to the customers. we are shiny-badged RA-kids in training and we are going to annotate using facts about the book that will imply the quality. such as "this erotic retelling of P&P casts mr darcy as a zombie come back from the dead to buy a house" or whatever. short, pithy, getting-to-the point annotations.

so to start, i will share my list from my work-notebook with you, and we will have some annotating fun. feel free to chime in if i have missed any...

Marsha Altman she has five
Joan Aiken she has six (i can type all the titles out later, if it is helpful)
Pamela Aidan she has four
Linda Berdoll she has two
Pemberley Ranch
Rebecca Ann Collins she has about ten
Amanda Grange she has seven, i think
Regina Jeffers she has about eight

(you see why we need annotated lists??)

The Lost Memoirs of Jane Austen LP
Syrie James has six
Kara Louise 7, one POV of mr darcy's dog.
Pemberley Manor
The Darcys Give a Ball: A Gentle Joke, Jane Austen Style
Jane Odiwe she has four
Mary Lydon Simonsenhas five
okay, i am going to have to truncate this - i am not even halfway finished, but there are too many, and it has taken me too long to do just what i have. so - to begin - if anyone has any other titles to add, go ahead and list them, and then we can all work on the annotations together, and then we can all sprout off into making our own lists as strong and confident RA providers.

sorry this is such a mess - i will try to make it better. *worst*


message 5: by Dana (new)

Dana (danarohinsky) | 56 comments yay - lists! this is kinda like my thematic fanfic rec group!


message 6: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i have more than 40 more!! but i don't wanna be late!! someone else can list some, if they know more... (i am terrible at this, i am so sorry)


message 7: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
yeah - those count - even modern-retelling like Bridget Jones's Diary can be counted or things like The Jane Austen Book Club - go nuts - list all the ones you can think of, and then we will roll up our sleeves and make the list useful with annotations.


message 8: by Christy (new)

Christy (christymtidwell) | 149 comments What about something like Shades of Milk and Honey? I haven't read it - just heard about it when it was nominated for a Nebula Award. It's described as follows: "exactly what we could expect from Jane Austen if she had been a fantasy writer: Pride and Prejudice meets Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell. It is an intimate portrait of a woman, Jane, and her quest for love in a world where the manipulation of glamour is considered an essential skill for a lady of quality."


message 9: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
sounds like it fits - and a new one for my list!


message 11: by Deborah (new)

Deborah You could use the group's bookshelves. Just create a custom shelf for each list. When you add or edit a book entry, you can put the annotations in the box that asks "why this book?" To display the annotations on a book, click on the word about.


message 12: by Courtney (new)

Courtney | 4 comments This is a good idea Karen. I will refer back to this list if ever a customer asks for Jane Austen inspired fiction. I have had one before but didn't know what to say. I love lists.


message 13: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
Deborah wrote: "You could use the group's bookshelves. Just create a custom shelf for each list. When you add or edit a book entry, you can put the annotations in the box that asks "why this book?" To display the ..."

this is genius. i will take care of this tomorrow. thank you for the tip. and thanks, jasmine, for getting all those authors typed out!


message 14: by Courtney (new)

Courtney | 4 comments Would it be possible for everyone to be able to make bookshelves? I went there and wasn't able to make any.


message 15: by Jasmine (last edited Mar 06, 2011 07:43AM) (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments okay I deleted my previous comments to streamline the topic. here's my list, I'll add the other suggested books tomorrow at some point.


Susan Adriani
The Truth About Mr. Darcy previously published as Affinity and Affection
Pamela Aidan
Duty and Desire
An Assembly Such as This
Young Master Darcy: A Lesson in Honour
These Three Remain: A Novel of Fitzwilliam Darcy, Gentleman
Joan Aiken
Lady Catherine's Necklace
Jane Fairfax: The Secret Story of the Second Heroine in Jane Austen's Emma
Marsha Altman
Mr. Darcy's Great Escape
The Road to Pemberley: An Anthology of New Pride and Prejudice Stories
The Plight of the Darcy Brothers
Manner of Devotion: A Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice
The Darcys & the Bingleys
Joan Austen-Leigh
Later Days at Highbury
A Visit to Highbury/Another View of Emma
Janet Aylmer
Darcy's Story
In the Footsteps of Jane Austen; Through Bath to Lyncombe and Widcombe
Elizabeth Aston
The Exploits & Adventures of Miss Alethea Darcy: A Novel
The True Darcy Spirit
The Darcy Connection
Mr. Darcy's Daughters
Mr. Darcy's Dream
Ted Bader
Virtue and Vanity
Desire and Duty : A Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice
Julia Barrett
Presumption
The Third Sister
Carrie Bebris
The Intrigue at Highbury: Or, Emma's Match
The Matters at Mansfield: Or, the Crawford Affair
North by Northanger
Linda Berdoll
Darcy & Elizabeth: Nights and Days at Pemberley
Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife
Darcy & Elizabeth
Rachel Billington
Emma & Knightley: The Sequel to Jane Austen's Emma
Perfect Happiness
D.A. Bonavia-Hunt
Pemberley Shades: A Lightly Gothic Tale of Mr. and Mrs. Darcy
Sybil G. Brinton
Old Friends and New Fancies
Paula Marantz Cohen
Jane Austen in Scarsdale: Or Love, Death and the Sats
Jane Austen in Boca
Gwyn Cready
Seducing Mr. Darcy
Rebecca Ann Collins
The Pemberley Chronicles
The Women of Pemberley
Mr. Darcy's Daughter
Postscript from Pemberley
J. Marie Croft
Mr. Darcy Takes the Plunge
Jane Dawkins
Letters from Pemberley
More Letters from Pemberley
P O Dixon
To Have His Cake (and Eat It Too) ~ Mr. Darcy's Tale
Anne Fafoutakis
Mrs Fitzwilliam Darcy and Other Stories
Marjorie Fasman
The Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy
Kate Fenton
Lions and Liquorice
Helen Fielding
Bridget Jones's Diary
Michael Ford
Jane Goes Batty
Jane Bites Back
Jane Gillespie
Aunt Celia
Amanda Grange
Mr. Darcy's Diary
Mr. Darcy, Vampyre
A Darcy Christmas
Seth Grahame-Smith
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
Ann Hassell
Pride and Prejudice's Vampires: Vampire Adaptation for Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice Regency Historical Romance/Satire
Ann Herendeen
Pride/Prejudice
Steve Hockensmith
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: Dawn of the Dreadfuls
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: Dreadfully Ever After
Regina Jeffers
Captain Wentworth's Persuasion: Jane Austen's Classic Retold Through His Eyes
Darcy's Temptation: A Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice
The Phantom of Pemberley
Darcy's Passions
Vampire Darcy's Desire: A Pride and Prejudice Adaptation
Kara Louise
Only Mr. Darcy Will Do
Assumed Engagement
Assumed Obligation
Sharon Lathan
In the Arms of Mr. Darcy
Trouble with Mr. Darcy: Pride and Prejudice continues...
Loving Mr. Darcy
My Dearest Mr. Darcy
Mary Anne Mushatt
Darcy and the Duchess
Melissa Nathan
Pride, Prejudice and Jasmin Field
Elizabeth Newark
Darcys Give a Ball
Consequence: Or Whatever Became of Charlotte Lucas
Kathryn L. Nelson
Pemberley Manor
Jane Odiwe
Willoughby's Return: A Tale of Almost Irresistible Temptation
Mr. Darcy's Secret
Victoria Park
Pride and Prejudice II: The Sequel
Beth Pattillo
Mr. Darcy Broke My Heart: A Novel
Jane Austen Ruined My Life
Michelle Pillow
Pride and Prejudice: The Wild and Wanton Edition
C. Allyn Pierson
And This Our Life: Chronicles of the Darcy Family: Book 1
Mr. Darcy's Little Sister
Abigail Reynolds
The Last Man in the World
Without Reserve: A Pride & Prejudice Variation
From Lambton to Longbourn: A Pride & Prejudice Variation
Pemberley by the Sea
Juliette Shapiro
Fitzwilliam Darcy's Memoirs: An Insight into Jane Austen's Hero
Mr. Darcy's Decision
Ask Jane Austen
Excessively Diverted: The Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice
Maya Slater
The Private Diary of Mr. Darcy: A Novel
Mary Street
The Confession of Fitzwilliam Darcy
Emma Tennant
Emma in Love
Pemberley
An Unequal Marriage: Or Pride and Prejudice Twenty Years Later
Enid Wilson
Really Angelic: Pride and Prejudice with a steamy paranormal twist
Fire and Cross: Pride and Prejudice with a steamy mysterious twist
My Darcy Mutates...: A Collection of Pride and Prejudice-inspired steamy short stories
Karen Wasylowski
Darcy and Fitzwilliam: A tale of a gentleman and an officer
Genevieve Rose Wimer
Honour and Humility
Ben H. Winters
Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters

I am trying to do really good at this since I will be no help at the next part.


message 16: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i have not given up on this list. i have created a bookshelf for when the annotations begin. i just got swamped. but it can rest for awhile...


message 17: by karen, future RA queen (last edited Mar 02, 2011 06:52PM) (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
Jane and the Damned

okay. so we have a lot to work with here. but at this point, it is just a list of titles - it does no one any good. this is why i keep stressing the importance of giving a little meat around the bone of the titles when you suggest them - unless someone knows a little bit about why the title is appropriate, they will not know if the recommendation is going to suit their tastes/mood.

in this list, there are jane austen retellings, jane austen and monsters, modern day janes, historical "but then what happened" books...

so i am going to begin annotating. i have not read any of these books, but it is not necessary to have read any of them in order to do this. for a project like this, opinions are irrelevant. we are just trying to hash out what kind of books these are - we are not judging their quality. i am going to do this by reading reviews both on and off goodreads.com.

i will be at the "jane austen etcs" bookshelf if anyone needs me...


message 18: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments good luck karen, after you do some I might help. I don't understand what I'm suppose to do.


message 19: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i am the slowest at this...

i have only finished two. but i have until 11.
if you go to our bookshelves, there is a shelf called "jane austen etcs". you have to click "view", and the text appears under "why we're reading this." it is less elegant than my wildest dreams, but it should be okay.


message 20: by Susan (new)

Susan Adriani (SusanAdriani) | 1 comments Jasmine, thanks so much for adding my book to the list. I'd like to let everyone here know, though, that The Truth About Mr. Darcy is not a new story, but a re-release of Affinity and Affection. When A&A (which was previously self-published) was picked up by Sourcebooks, they insisted on changing the title. There are a few alterations to the new text in TTAMD, but they aren't significant changes - nothing that will alter the plot.

I just didn't want there to be any confusion.

Best,
Susan


message 21: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i made a list for wuthering heights retellings.


message 22: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments is that one of the brontes?


message 23: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
yeah, emily.


message 24: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
so, anyone can make lists, if they want to. just name whatever list you decide to do clearly, and annotate it with as much as you think is useful - check out the ones dana and i have done if you need guidance, or just ask me here or PM if you want... all lists are useful!


message 25: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments do lists have to be really specific or could they be general like "british literature"

I want to make the group less sleepy but I don't really have time to read reviews and stuff cause my internet at home won't work.


message 26: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
you probably want to make it a little more specific, because dickens is way different than hornby.

maybe "contemporary british lit", even though that is way broad. or "funny british lit" or something a little more pared down.

dana is going to get mad here because of all the variety in gay fiction, but it is more of a niche genre than british, which is regional. while i do recognize that joe keegan is way different than "frat boys," i still think for now, gay fiction is a specific enough shelf.


message 27: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments well I'm not sitting around reading dickens. maybe I will try something like main stream contemporary british literature, cause then a lot of the books I'll know and the ones I don't know I will probably end up wanting to read. i will try. if I fail I will edit.


message 28: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments okay I did one can you check my work when you get a second karen? I don't know if I did it right.


message 29: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
dude - did you write all that? in the "why we're reading this" section?? that's wayyy too much work. the annotations only need to be 1-3 sentences - just as a quick skeleton-outline for people who need to know what people would get out of the book. for example, "this fast-paced book deals with suicide in a comical way that manages to be touching at the same time." or something. that is just quick and dirty without any research for a book i haven't read. so something like that, but more accurate.


message 30: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments so make it much shorter. I can do that.

I did do research. I looked at my review and caris' review.


message 31: by Jasmine (last edited Mar 20, 2011 08:09AM) (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments fixed it, sorry.

I thought the same rules about more detail is better applied


message 32: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
nono - i meant i hadn't done any research! before writing that thing i wrote.

basically, here, you are writing a blurb for the book. something someone can access quickly and go, okay - "funny, suicide, british - got it" and use that to talk about the book even if they hadn't read it. these things are usually what you find on bookmarks at libraries, to give you a sense of the length of them. one bookmark will say, "if you liked the da vinci code, try these"and will give a list of five books and their corresponding annotations. just quick quick stuff.

the "more information is better" thing really is for when you are requesting a book - to refine it and streamline it so the person suggesting a book to you knows what to work with.

for example, i had a woman once who wanted a "good historical book that was long." so i gave her Half of a Yellow Sun. and she turned it over, and said "oh, she's black." now, if she had said, "oh, and i am also racist", then i would have known not to give her that book. or any book.

the more you know...


message 33: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments lol. okay i can do that.

I thought you were reading reviews and stuff.


message 34: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments okay I did a bunch and I get what you meant by variety.

I'm taking a break now.


message 35: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i read reviews when i actually do them, but for that hornby one, i was just doing it off the top of my head. reviews are very helpful for this kind of work, both on here and other places. and publisher's websites are also a good place for information.


message 36: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
oh, those are good! just don't forget to put them on the brit-shelf. or wait- i think i can do these (twss). but for the future, and for other people - it doesn't automatically save them, you have to add each book you select to your shelf.


message 37: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
oh, you did. weird. i thought it would show up on the page where you can view the annotation. disregard, jazz.

but it is good advice for anyone else ♥


message 38: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 455 comments karen wrote: "oh, those are good! just don't forget to put them on the brit-shelf. or wait- i think i can do these (twss). but for the future, and for other people - it doesn't automatically save them, you have ..."

yay. I got an A!


message 39: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (balletbookworm) | 20 comments Question: Are we only working on adding books if we think they're good to recommend? Or also adding books we'd prefer people not read? I was going to add one I thought was terrible, and tend to steer people away from, to the Austen etc shelf but I thought I'd ask first....

Baby steps :)


message 40: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
the lists aren't really meant to be quality-judgments, just a collection of what is available, with quick-reference: who what where when type of facts...i disliked a lot of the books i added to the YA problems literature, but someone must like them ,right?? or they wouldn't keep selling/circulating...i think for our purposes, neutral is better.


message 41: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (balletbookworm) | 20 comments karen wrote: "the lists aren't really meant to be quality-judgments, just a collection of what is available, with quick-reference: who what where when type of facts...i disliked a lot of the books i added to the..."

OK, I can keep my opinion out of the description.


message 42: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (balletbookworm) | 20 comments Me again, I added [Mr. Darcy's Daughters] to the Austen etc list - just let me know if it reads right for RA :)


message 43: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
yes!! that is excellent!! thank you!!


message 44: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (balletbookworm) | 20 comments Yay! :)


message 45: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i found more austens and even though no one seems into making an austen list here, i will add them, because then my brain can feel calm again:

Wickham's Diary
What Would Mr Darcy Do?
The Trouble with Mr. Darcy


message 46: by carriedaway (last edited Apr 01, 2011 05:11PM) (new)

carriedaway | 25 comments The Magicians and Mrs. Quent A kind of fantastical reworking of Pride & Prejudice and Wuthering Heights with magicians. He doesn't actually pull it off but valiant effort.

Probably not what you meant by lists but it's Austen/Bronte and it's definitely not tax forms.


message 47: by Megan (new)

Megan (crazymeg531) | 2 comments I am so sorry, I cannot find where to post this. I was wondering what the group read turned out to be? I voted and everything and I'm thinking the two weeks have passed but I cannot find a topic which talks about what won...! Sorry, I'm a little new to the whole group thing. :)


message 48: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
i started a new folder for it called "group read"

Three Men in a Boat won. i will be posting some things there later to help people start thinking about our goals...


message 49: by Megan (new)

Megan (crazymeg531) | 2 comments Bah. I figured out to click polls right after I posted this! Thanks for the help, I am excited to start it soon. :)


message 50: by karen, future RA queen (new)

karen (karenbrissette) | 1315 comments Mod
just because we already have this handy austen list at the side here, i am going to add this one:

Manner of Devotion: A Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice


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