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[Annemarie, hi]

The current Prime Minister of the U.K. Yeeeah.

[tesni]

Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie) wrote: "Who's David Cameron?"

You don't want to know. Except perhaps so you know who to yell at if ever he walks past. But, yeah, the British PM.

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

oh. Yeah, I never really knew who the British PM is. I guess you learn something new every day.

[Annemarie, hi]

Yeah nobody cares about the Prime Minister of England.

[tesni]

Eh, at the moment it's not worth knowing.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

Hmm, let's see...oh, here's a fun one:

Euthanasia of the mentally handicapped. Yes, no?

[tesni]

Agreed.

(that's all I have to say on the matter. I could never phrase what I wanted to say well enough to get my point across while still managing to make sense...)

[Kim]

*feels uncomfortable discussing that*

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

Baxter wrote: "Hmm, let's see...oh, here's a fun one:

Euthanasia of the mentally handicapped. Yes, no?"

Hell no.

[[deleted user]]

Baxter wrote: "Hmm, let's see...oh, here's a fun one:

Euthanasia of the mentally handicapped. Yes, no?"

Nooooo.

Unless they're completely brain dead. But regular stuff no.

[Maria [the clockwork creeps on useless lives], Butts butts]

No way. Unless they can barely function enough to stay alive. I don't know. I find it terrible because they wouldn't be the ones making the choice.

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

I remember some German guy tried this a couple years ago and he got the death penalty by lethal injection. How ironic.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

What if these people were unable to contribute to society? Not brain dead or couldn't function, just weren't able to be of any use to society? What reason is there to keep them alive besides "Oh geez, I'd sure feel bad killing another human."

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

A life is a life. We have no right to take it away, willfully or not. That's my view.

[[deleted user]]

You could argue that poor people don't contribute to society too, but does that mean that they don't deserve to live?

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

Exactly. Just because people don't contribute to society doesn't mean we can just kill them off like rats.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

How can you justify a life that is as useful to the world as a pet dog or cat, except requires infinitely more care and attention and money to keep going?

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

THEYRE PEOPLE! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL THEM! HUMANS WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE THAT POWER!

Sorry. I feel very strongly about this.

[[deleted user]]

Because most people are not useful to the entire world. But what about the people around them? Their friends and family? I'm certain that the person matters to them.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Because most people are not useful to the entire world. But what about the people around them? Their friends and family? I'm certain that the person matters to them."


Same with pet animals. I am not talking about being useful to the entire world, I'm talking to being useful to the society in which they belong.

Outside of feeling bad for killing somebody, and making a few other people sad, what real problem is there?

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

Whoever kills them's mental state.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie) wrote: "Whoever kills them's mental state."

That all is relative. We've been taught that killing other people is 'wrong'. I am sure there are plenty who not only wouldn't mind killing them, but would find great pleasure in it. Somebody who is, despite what you might think, not psychotic.

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

Anyone who finds pleasure in taking away someone elses life IS psychotic.

[[deleted user]]

Baxter wrote: "[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Because most people are not useful to the entire world. But what about the people around them? Their friends and family? I'm certain that the person matters t..."

Maintaining a society with good ethics and morals? What if we just killed everything that didn't contribute to society? That would include:

-Severely handicapped people (mental and physical)
-Unemployed
-Poor
-Elderly
-Criminals
-The sick (big diseases, like cancer and such)

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

It would be like the Holocaust all over again.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Baxter wrote: "[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Because most people are not useful to the entire world. But what about the people around them? Their friends and family? I'm certain that the p..."

The majority of those people CAN contribute though. The others have at least contributed at some point in their lives. They have done something to better the world, even criminals have help normal jobs, and hold the hope of rehabilitation.

And Jordan, it's so totally possible I just am not totally clear on psychotic people. If you could provide some source saying that if one takes pleasure in killing they are psychotic, that's be appreciated.

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

"Serial killers exhibit a psychopathic personality, a hedonistic outlook on life and a pronounced lack of conscience. They are also called sociopath or are determined to have antisocial personalities. They do not suffer from mental illness but more likely a character flaw. They understand what is reality and know what they are doing is wrong and the difference between right and wrong. They simply just do not care. Psychopaths lack the vital component of the human personality that most others take for granted, conscience.


Either they have no conscience, or their conscience is too weak to inhibit the violence that they commit. Pure psychopaths kill without remorse. The minority among serial killers are the psychotics: They fail to perceive reality correctly; they tend to hear voices and see visions, or sometimes both. The murder is a symptom of their madness. David Berkowitz, the infamous Son of Sam, who ran amuck in New York City in the 70 s, is such a killer. Allegedly, his neighbor s dog told him repeatedly to kill."

-MyBestEssays.com

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

Well there we go. I would put up the argument that this isn't an absolute thing. Native Americans back in the day would kill without remorse. It was considered the norm for them. But nobody calls them all serial killers. Anyway, you gave a source, so that's all good.

[Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie)]

That...I will have to admit is a really good point.

[[deleted user]]

Baxter wrote: "[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Baxter wrote: "[a star on a stone boat] Cara wrote: "Because most people are not useful to the entire world. But what about the people around them? Their fri..."

I'm sure the costs to society can cancel what they have done out though. Unemployment benefits, those without health insurance, costs of maintaining rehabilitation centers, jails and hospitals, welfare and social security all take away from society.

I still think that having a society that has morals is more important than having every single person contributing to it.

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

You know...I'll just say right now before somebody goes full on "let's hate Baxter", I don't agree with the idea. Personally I think that even if they cannot contribute to society they should be allowed life. But gosh dang it, I wanted to see an actual debate in the debate topic, not "I DON'T LIKE THAT", "YEAH, I DON'T EITHER".

[[deleted user]]

I'm not hating on you, I'm just trying to have a good debate too. I'm a huge nerd so I really miss debate season =P

[Baxter, butts butts butts]

Yeah yeah, I figured you weren't. I'm just about to get off of the good ol' Goodreads for the day and wanted to make sure nobody went crazy on me.

[Elliott]

SHAME ON YOU BAXTER YOU HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PERSON HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU DARGGGH.

[Jayda]

Baxter wrote: "What if these people were unable to contribute to society? Not brain dead or couldn't function, just weren't able to be of any use to society? What reason is there to keep them alive besides "Oh ge..."

That's pretty much the exact same thing as murder, in my opinion. It's not our duty to take away a life. And they do contribute to society. They MEAN something to someone. That, alone, is contributing.

[Jayda]

Baxter wrote: "Jordan, The Picture Magician (aka Probie) wrote: "Whoever kills them's mental state."

That all is relative. We've been taught that killing other people is 'wrong'. I am sure there are plenty who ..."

Those people are called murderers.

[Elliott]

OOOOH! I HAVE A GOOD ONE!

Slave labor used to pick cocoa beans. (And make other products we all use.)

[Jayda]

Baxter wrote: "You know...I'll just say right now before somebody goes full on "let's hate Baxter", I don't agree with the idea. Personally I think that even if they cannot contribute to society they should be al..."

Hahaha, I know exactly what you mean. I haven't seen a real debate in a long time, honestly.

[Jayda]

i am who i am who i was when (Lavendarlol) wrote: "OOOOH! I HAVE A GOOD ONE!

Slave labor used to pick cocoa beans. (And make other products we all use.)"

Um, no. Haha. That's against the Constitution. So, no. I'm against it :) I mean, it's different if they're working of their own will and aren't treated horribly. I realize that there are people who have to do that sort of thing to survive because they have no other way to make a living, but a slave is someone's "property" so that's not exactly the term that people would use for those who choose to pick cocoa beans and such.

[Elliott]

But do you eat M&Ms? Do you eat Snickers bars?

[Jayda]

Yes, I do. And I realize that people go out and pick all of the stuff that makes those things. But they aren't forced to do it. Slavery was outlawed, so it isn't forced, so it isn't slavery.

[Annemarie, hi]

It's definitely politically correct.... but I think that the majority of people, even if they aren't Christian, could really care less about people saying "Merry Christmas." I'm not Christian and it doesn't offend me... I guess it could offend some people but, free speech, you know?

[Jayda]

I think it's stupid that they're trying to get people to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. I'll say Merry Christmas to everyone and anyone I want. If they get offended, then oh well. It's their problem. You don't have to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas, for Heaven's sake. After all, LOADS of people all over the world celebrate it.

[Elliott]

Jayda wrote: "Yes, I do. And I realize that people go out and pick all of the stuff that makes those things. But they aren't forced to do it. Slavery was outlawed, so it isn't forced, so it isn't slavery."

My mom read this news article about how some of the companies buy chocolate from other companies that kidnap children and force them to work. Which I consider slavery.

[Elliott]

Rebekka wrote: "... How about saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" in stores and stuff?"

I really couldn't care either way. People can say whatever they want. It's freedom of speech.

[Jayda]

i am who i am who i was when (Lavendarlol) wrote: "Jayda wrote: "Yes, I do. And I realize that people go out and pick all of the stuff that makes those things. But they aren't forced to do it. Slavery was outlawed, so it isn't forced, so it isn't s..."

Yes, that would be considered slavery. But I have to wonder how accurate that article is. I have no idea where companies like Hershey buys their cocoa products.

[Elliott]

Not sure how accurate this article is but: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?...

[Annemarie, hi]

Its not like saying "merry Christmas" is a negative thing. I look at it as a nice thing to say to someone... I guesss.

[Jayda]

i am who i am who i was when (Lavendarlol) wrote: "Not sure how accurate this article is but: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?..."

I'll admit that I haven't read the whole article completely yet (I skimmed because I'm multi-tasking) but just glancing through the article, and site, they're run by progressives and left-wing bias, trying to put corporations in the wrong it seems. I mean, it’s not bad to keep an eye on corporations and really point it out when they do things that are wrong, but it’s entirely a different thing to just detest big business and demand over-bearing government regulations to ensure corporations do what is right, especially when big-government happens to be the one telling big-corporation what is right. I'll have to read the article completely when I have more time, but I'm not sure how much of that article I would believe.

Although, I will also be the first to admit that Africa has a LOT of issues. Their government tends to be awful, and yes, they do have slavery. But that does not mean that all of the chocolate that is bought from Africa is picked by children who are enslaved. Yes, it is wrong that there are indeed people who are enslaved to pick cocoa beans. But their government is mostly if not fully responsible for the fact that it's even happening - not the corporations.

[Jayda]

Juliet wrote: "Its not like saying "merry Christmas" is a negative thing. I look at it as a nice thing to say to someone... I guesss."

I completely agree :) After all, it IS Christmas that a lot of us are celebrating, anyway.