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YES! That's exactly what I think. All of it.
Lavendar Laughter, the Pickle Fairy wrote: "Juliet wrote: "So, my reaction to Bin Ladden's death? Yeah, I'm not like, upset about it. But I'm not screaming and cheering about it. I just really can't get excited about someone's death. I've tr..."Juliet's referring to his speech at the Correspondents Dinner, which was basically just 18 minutes of Obama being a badass.
Also, um... what do you mean the announcement was hours late? As far as I know it came very quickly after the fact.
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I don't know...it's just. Yeah. My reaction was kind of like "Oh, okay, they found him..." On one hand it's a relief, but on another it's like, a person has been killed, and whoever that is I find it difficult to rejoice in that fact.Also, I'm English and I was only about four on 9/11, so I didn't know anyone directly affected, and I can't really remember it very well... I think we said some prayers at school or something...Anyway, I can understand why some people might feel greater relief than I do, or even joy, but I can't entirely get my head around the concept of being glad someone's been killed.
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Ah, I didn't hear that speech. It sounds quite awesome. I didn't know Obama was a funny man. I shall.
Well, Obama was supposed to make this big announcement at 9:30 (Central Time, so whatever time that'd be in other places) and it didn't come until 11:15ish. He was supposed to be the first one to announce it, but the news finally just stopped waiting for him to announce it.
Josephine wrote: "I don't like Osama Bin Laden dying. Pity. Although he did it violently, he exposed one point: "Americans" are not saints. Not even close."Just curious; are the speech marks about the "This is your dumb idea of America" and the "it's-actually-both-continents" thing from months ago? e_e
Lavendar Laughter, the Pickle Fairy wrote: "Acacia wrote: "Lavendar Laughter, the Pickle Fairy wrote: "Juliet wrote: "So, my reaction to Bin Ladden's death? Yeah, I'm not like, upset about it. But I'm not screaming and cheering about it. I j..."Uh...I'm pretty sure he made the announcement at 9:30 central time.
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A delightful article about the conflicted emotions involving Bin Ladens death.
'Tis all good. It doesn't change the fact that it is still your opinion. :) ^^^Agreed with the above.
I agree with the "Okay. Cool." part because I thought it was funny at first. On facebook, I thought this one status said that "Obama" died. So I freaked out just to find out it was "Osama." Ha.
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"Despite the late hour on Sunday -- shortly before midnight on the U.S. East Coast -- and the brief notice given before the address, Obama's speech drew more viewers than either of his two State of the Union addresses." Rueters
Okay, so it was an hour later than he said it was going to be. I feel like in the age of the internet, there was no way he was going to be the first one to announce it.
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But I'm still going to be bitter that my parents made me sit and wait watching the news try to stall for an hour while Obama wrote his speech or whatever.
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Okie, more debate material: should pictures of Bin Laden's body be released to the public?
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But yeah, it's just a body. I don't really see what hypothetically releasing it to the public would do...
Nuuu, the pictures they took before that. There's some news whatnot about releasing pictures and people are saying it's wrong, because it's totally disrespectful even if he was a bad person and it would be totally inhumane.So yush.
Juliet wrote: "Didn't they like throw it in the sea or something? But yeah, it's just a body. I don't really see what hypothetically releasing it to the public would do..."
Agreed.
Autumn [learning to breathe again] wrote: "Nuuu, the pictures they took before that. There's some news whatnot about releasing pictures and people are saying it's wrong, because it's totally disrespectful even if he was a bad person and it ..."They release dead pictures of bodies all the time. In fact, back in the 1800's people would take pictures of their dead. It was kind of a supernatural thing, but I don't think it's really that disrespectful. I personally don't care either way. Not like I'll look at them anyway.
Not sure why it would be disrespectful. If I recall there's an entire website you can go to that is solely pictures of dead famous people.Yup, here it is.
http://www.celebritymorgue.com/
WARNING: DEAD PEOPLE.
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I was hoping someone had brought this up in this topic! I was going to, unless someone already had ... :D
Anyway, the point is, YES. I totally agree with you Jayda. Of course I know Osama bin Laden did terrible things and caused the death of so many innocent people, and tried to use his wife as a human shield, etc. But I do find it disturbing that people got so happy about it. Was it necessary for him to die? In a way ... I guess so, although it was mostly revenge for something that happened almost a decade ago, and killing him didn't erase the past or anything. Of course, he could have lived to do more horrible things, so ... *sigh* I have no idea. But personally, I can't find any joy in someone dying, even if that person is an immoral person. And like you said, it's not that I'm not patriotic or that I'm not grateful for our military. But killing Bin Laden was a military maneuver, not something that was meant to be some kind of happy holiday. And I feel like celebrating it is kind of against human nature...
Honestly, I did a little dance when I found out he died. Why is it so horrible to be glad, heck, to be estatic, when I horrible person finally gets what was coming to them? This man murdered so many people. He ranks right up there with Stalin and Hitler. Why should he be able to live in a huge compound in Pakistan after what he has done? Yeah, he was a human. But he was also a monster, and I have no pity or sympathy for him.
Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "How 'bout the whole photos controversey?I, personally, don't think they should be released, but that's just me."
I totally agree. It's not like I think it's disrespectful or anything. People do that all the time with murder cases and all that. But have you received any facebook spam with the fake photos of bin Laden? From that incident, I believe that people will use them (the real ones) like a trophy.
It's like, "Please, imbeciles, you didn't kill him. Let it be." Society has a way of making an ocean of a puddle. Note: I'm not saying the death of Osama bin Laden is not big. I'm saying that it's not something to drag on about like it was he/she who shot him.
I hate Facebook spam!!! >:[
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I, personally, don't think they should be released, but that's just me."
I don't either ... personally because I don't really want to see them. I trust that he's dead and I don't need any kind of graphic evidence. O_o
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He was a horrible person and a murderer, I just find this never-ending cycle of killing depressing––you know, killing people who kill people, etc. Not saying it was the wrong thing to do, but it's not something I'm dancing about.
The Stalin/Hilter thing was more about the murdering your own people thing, but yeah, I see your point.I'm not a fan of war, but there really wasn't anything else to be done. And I'm glad there's one less evil person in the world.
As for the photos, I don't think they should be released. The confirmation of his death like that could anger some of his followers to a point of an altercation, I think.
Sarah wrote: "Honestly, I did a little dance when I found out he died. Why is it so horrible to be glad, heck, to be estatic, when I horrible person finally gets what was coming to them? This man murdered so man..."I'm one of those people who just believe that murder is murder. I also believe in the eye for an eye. All rules of law. But I don't believe in dancing about it. The one thing I'm happy about was for the 9/11 families who finally feel like they have some closure. :I
Sarah wrote: "The Stalin/Hilter thing was more about the murdering your own people thing, but yeah, I see your point.I'm not a fan of war, but there really wasn't anything else to be done. And I'm glad ther..."
I do have to agree that there probably wasn't anything else that could be done. I don't know what else we could've done to ensure the safety of the people in the Middle East from him, along with our country. I'm not dancing, or super happy or anything, but I AM relieved, and I do believe that it was something that had to happen, even if it only put a small dent in terrorism.
♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "Jayda wrote: "So... I'm glad that they finally got Osama bin Laden and that he's out of the terrorist arena... But is anyone else disturbed at how much everyone is CELEBRATING over someone's death?..."I agree :)
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Well, I saw on the news the Al Queda has comfirmed his death. I hope that at least, since we were the ones to strike, that we (as in the government and army) are prepared for a backlash.
Has anyone heard of the conspiracy theory that 9/11 wasn't caused by foreign terrorists? I saw a video on that some time ago...hmm...I need to find that...
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♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "Riiiiight ...."I just heard something like that. I don't know what I think though. *shrugs* Just wondering your thoughts.
Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "Wouldn't in envoke an "lol wtf bro. wat r u smoking?" reaction from the entire Middle-East if it were truly an inside job."That is a point.
9/11 is not an inside job. The moon landing? I could believe that...ha. We were kind of in a little (big) competition with the Soviet Union. But I shall keep my head up and say we landed on the moon. But really...that's all we're ever going to do because apparently no one likes giving money to the space exploration budget.I'm not actually stupid. I just think conspiracies are a bit funny and mind boggling at the same time. Like the conspiracy that Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure a while ago, but the US wanted to come on top as big show offs. WTF?
Mandy [purple sky fly over me] wrote: "Has anyone heard of the conspiracy theory that 9/11 wasn't caused by foreign terrorists? I saw a video on that some time ago...hmm...I need to find that..."Yeah, I think that the person/people who came up with that conspiracy are idiots, quite frankly.
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But the Mythbusters proved that the moon landing really happened! And the Mythbusters are always right! :D
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Heh, I know. ... It's so hilarious. :)
Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "You've got your schizophrenics and you've got the naive. And then you've got the kind of people who just want to stir up some ocntroversey."Woah. Deep.
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Really? I think Obama messed up with his speech, personally. Not that it was a bad speech, it was actually a pretty nice speech, but the announcement was HOURS late. In my opinion, that's a tad bit incompetent. He could've released a statement saying that Osama was dead and details would be coming later and then wrote his speech and told it later, but because he took so long the information leaked and the news announced it first.