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Aug 16, 2010 05:32AM
Josh, you write for several different publishers and always seems to have a bazillion books in the works...Any tips on how to get & stay organized? 3 different sets of cover art forms, bios, blurbs, edits, promo'ing each...Right now, I'm the proverbial deer in the headlights. There's got to be some sort of rational way to approach this and if not, I need vast quantities of Zanex. Immediately.
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Working On
Releasing
That basically tells me what I need to focus promotion on -- and what I'm getting paid on (the releasing titles), what I need to prioritize as far as work (the due titles), and what I need to be bashing out rough drafts on (the working on titles).
It could be fancier, but it allows me to see where I during the current month and where I am with the current year -- I know if projects all start to fall back into a particular month (as they're doing now) I've got a collision on my hands.
I also jot down notes on projects for the upcoming year as I accept them -- which is how I realized (as I glanced over the list for 2011) that I was already booked. I'm trying to limit myself to 12 scheduled projects a year. It doesn't always work out that way.
As for blurbs and art request forms, I know by checking my calendar what I need to have completed for a given project. I tend to run behind on those because I HATE writing blurbs.
So August looks like this (though you can't see the different colored ink or what I've scratched off as complete)
August
DUE
Critics Choice - August 18th
Stranger Than Fiction (PETIT MORTS) - August 18th
Final draft of The Palest Ink - August 20th
Blood Heat - Loose Id (August 27th)
WORKING ON
Petits Morts - 2
Blood Heat Will and Taylor Novella - Loose Id (August 27th -- was pushed back)
Edits The Palest Ink
Edits All She Wrote
Icecapade - 15K Christmas story for Carina Press (last week of month)
RELEASING
Fair Game - August 2
MLR Quarterly Check
Put the Zanex down, Kari. You can do this :)
Missy wrote: "Put the Zanex down, Kari. You can do this :)"If I wasn't on track with the revisions for first book I contracted, I'd be a basketca--Oh. Never mind.
:D
Thanks, Josh. If I wasn't doing all of this for the first time, I think I'd be okay, but getting a system in place is a tad overwhelming.
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Does research ever annoy you? It usually doesn't for me but this week... I'm sick of it. I just want to confirm one little tidbit and can't find anything.
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But when I'm trying to hit a deadline and I have to stop to scour for some obscure bit of info...yes, then it's annoying. Then I wish I had just gone for something easy and obvious -- something I was already familiar with.
Andy wrote: "Does research ever annoy you? It usually doesn't for me but this week... I'm sick of it. I just want to confirm one little tidbit and can't find anything."What little tidbit, Andy? Maybe some of your friends here can help.
Merith wrote: "What little tidbit, Andy? Maybe some of your friends here can help. "Well, since you asked...
It's a butter and sex question. My friend told me an interesting property of butter when used that way. I just want to know if it would be condom safe. This little bit has annoyed me for quite some time now. And I think I need to reprimand my friend for telling me that. Now I snicker when I pass the Romaine in the Supermarket and will also when I pass the sticks of butter.
Andy wrote: "Merith wrote: "What little tidbit, Andy? Maybe some of your friends here can help. "Well, since you asked...
It's a butter and sex question. My friend told me an interesting property of butter wh..."
Real butter or margarine? I've never read butter being used in published fiction, but have read it in fanfiction. It always makes me want to say - He's not toast!
Andy wrote: "My friend told me an interesting property of butter when used that way. I just want to know if it would be condom safe."From the Planned Parenthood site:
Lubricants for Latex Condoms
Lubrication helps avoid condom breakage. [...:]
Do not use products made with oil as lubricants for latex condoms. They can damage latex. Materials that should not be used include: any oils (cooking, baby, coconut, mineral), petroleum jelly, lotions, cold creams, butter, cocoa butter, and margarine.
From the Sexual Health site: Never use cooking oils, Vasaline, or petroleum-based products. These products harbor bacteria, causing yeast infections among others, and can cause the breakdown of the latex in condoms. Never use oil-based lubricants with condoms.
Is that what you were looking for? Or is it something else?
Merith wrote: "He's not toast! "LOL that is usually my answer as well. But my friend convinced me that it might be an interesting kink for a character at some point.
And thanks for the info - will have to subject an established couple to butter torture ;o)
Merith wrote: "I've never read butter being used in published fiction, but have read it in fanfiction. It always makes me want to say - He's not toast!"Actually, I just read a couple doing this a couple of days ago, but these two were going bareback, so latex safety wasn't an issue.
Merith wrote: "Andy wrote: "Merith wrote: "What little tidbit, Andy? Maybe some of your friends here can help. "Well, since you asked...
It's a butter and sex question. My friend told me an interesting property..."
Laura Baumbaach used garlic butter in "A Bit of Rough"
Garlic Toast anyone?
Sherri wrote: "Laura Baumbaach used garlic butter in "A Bit of Rough""
I would think the garlic would burn, and not in the good way either! :?
Hi Josh,For someone who is publishing their very first book (Editing starts in a couple weeks) whats the best piece of advise you can give them?
Oh and my new CP Taige said you are the sweetest person she's ever known :)
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She must have caught me on a good day. ;-D
For someone who is publishing their very first book (Editing starts in a couple weeks) whats the best piece of advise you can give them?
Let's see...two pieces of advice.
1- Choose your battles. Especially when it comes to copyedits. Unless it's something that actually affects my meaning or voice, I basically accept all copyedits (even the ones I know are idiotic). This is not to say that I don't shake my head over them (or say nasty things to anyone who'll listen) but I don't generally fight them. It's not worth my time or energy. You'll find that the "rules" of copyediting change from house to house, and that the vast majority of copyeditors cannot see the forest for the trees. That mentality is part of what makes them useful, but it's also what will drive you to insanity if you let it. Don't let it. Stay focused on the goal of getting your book finished and published. Try to keep your relationships pleasant and professional. There will be enough issues you can't bend on, so you want to minimize confrontation to the things that really matter to you.
2 - Take the long view on this and all your projects. If you can detach yourself enough from this work so that you view it as one of a hundred books you'll write, it makes it easier to be objective about...well, everything. If you take the view that this is "my baby" then you'll find yourself quibbling over every change of comma, obsessing over the cover, fretting over the lack of reviews, etc. It's one story out of all the stories you'll write. A time will come when you won't even remember huge chunks of the book, let alone the editing battles over it or some lame ass review.
Thank you Josh. I will certainly take this advice to heart. Taige gave me similar advice as well. She doesn't let editors bully her when she feels passionate about something. The part about Half Hearts being my baby really hit home. I want so bad for it to be amazing and wonderful and everyone to like it but I know thats not completely realistic and I've moved on and finished my second novel and working on my third. Thank you again.(Josh replies) She must have caught me on a good day. ;-D
Sorry she claims she has talked to you for a long time and that your the sweetest person she knows. You must have a lot of those good days :)
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You just have to relax and try to flow with it -- trusting they will all go straight to hell for their literary misdeeds when they die. :-D
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I know. And a lot of people will like it, some people will love it, and some people will hate it. And that's just the way it goes. Finishing the next book is the right move.
Josh wrote: "Take the long view on this and all your projects. If you can detach yourself enough from this work so that you view it as one of a hundred books you'll write, it makes it easier to be objective about...well, everything. "Well said. I'm filing that away for whenever I need the reminder. Thanks.
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It's sometimes sidestepped in mainstream publishing by using a different pen name -- which is yet another reason for not using your real name. (Another big reason for not using your real name is sales history. If low sales are attached to your real name, you'll find your mainstream publisher asking you to start fresh with a pen name).
BUT in mainstream publishing the problem is far more likely to be having your series dropped or your next work passed on rather than being tied to a contract.
Putting a time limit on the length of the first refusal option is a wise move -- especially in niche or ebook publishing. In mainstream, the refusals come pretty fast. It's usually not going to take 30 days to hear a no from an editor or a publishing house you're already working with.
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It's something I have to remind myself of periodically, to be honest.
You're pretty prolific, Josh...As long as the quality of the writing doesn't suffer, is it possible to release too many books too closely together?
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Kari, I think building a backlist of quality stories is paramount to a successful writing career.
That said, generally speaking, most beginning writers have a bit of a learning curve, so flooding the market with a lot of stories that are maybe not one's best work might not be the smartest move. If you firmly establish yourself as a mediocre writer, that's not going to do you a lot of good. In fact, it'll take you years to fix.
However, if you're pretty sure you're consistently writing at a high standard, then building a backlist fast is a good move. Not that readers will buy everything you churn out immediately. Readers come in three basic models: your core readership who loyally support you and buy everything, the individual publishing house's readership (meaning, for example, the Samhain m/m readers who typically buy all or most of Samhain's m/m releases each month), and readers who choose books by the description of a particular story.
You want the majority of your readers to come from that first group, but it takes a while to build that first group up -- you basically have to convince them that they can trust you to provide the stories they want to read nearly every single time, and that takes time and familiarity with your work.
Once readers know they like your work they'll buy it steadily, but they won't buy it faster than they can afford or want to read it. What I find is, certain releases do better than others initially, but they mostly even out and the sales stay pretty steady from there on.
Josh wrote: "Kari, I think building a backlist of quality stories is paramount to a successful writing career..."I'm not genuinely this fast. 2 of the 3 sat on my hard drive for a year. (One was tied up with an editor in NY for a yr+ before I finally said to h*ll with it. I don't know why I bothered when I knew it was a niche book.) The 3rd was one of my obsessive-compulsive deals. I wrote it very fast, but half a yr ago so plenty of time to polish.
With this new 4th one...Another one of my OCD, gotta-get-this-out-of-my-head books so I'm working at a sprint. Even at the earliest release date mentioned, I'd have a couple months, & zero pressure from the editor I spoke to about it. Barring global apocalypse, no reason I can't make this bk shine like a new penny. Better, 2 releases will precede it so I'll be able to hone what needs sharpening based on reader responses during final revision.
But 4 books in 5 months seems excessive, even for me. I haven't signed anything on the 4th book yet, though, just informal talk, so if I need to ratchet back and let things stew, I can.
So far, I'll be publishing with 2 epubs so I'm hoping to draw from each's dedicated reader pool. I don't know, maybe I should shop the 4th book to another publisher altogether, expand to a 3rd. Seems to me the smart move would be to spread my name around as much as possible, but I don't want to come off as a scatter-brained fic-writing ho, either.
There's tons of workshops & advice to help you get to The Sale, but not a lot of guidance after you sign on the dotted line. Might improve once I make it into PASIC but epub is the thinly tolerated red-headed stepchild of RWA so I'll not hold my breath. Focus on the 2 pubs I already have? Or spread myself around a little more? Hard to know what to do.
Thanks, Josh, you're a lifesaver. :D
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What I now do (having reached this conclusion through a lot of splashing and flailing in cold water), and what I recommend to my mentorees, is channel the bulk of my work through the three publishers that have proved to be the most lucrative for me.
Having a good-sized backlist at these publishers will guarantee nice, fat monthly (or quarterly in one case) royalties, and I like to be able to rely on that.
That isn't to say I won't experiment. There are certain editors I like to work with and certain houses I want to try out and certain one time only projects that catch my attention, but basically I've settled on building very large and healthy backlists at my top earners.
The nice thing about epublishing, however, is that the books stay available as long as they're selling, so once significant backlist (twelve or more titles)is built, it's built. If you're no longer happy with that publisher you can set about building a backlist elsewhere while still earning, nice regular income.
To Josh and the others on the group who are using pen names, how did you choose yours? Is it like putting characters names in a hat and drawing or what?
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It should also be something easy to remember and easy to spell for readers. But by memorable, I don't mean too weird or too obviously made up. It should be a normal, attractive-sounding name.
Why attractive? Because most of us interact primarily online and using our pen name as our "face" so the more normal and appealing that face, the better. I've seen some pretty bad pen names out there and I wonder what message that writer is trying to send? You don't want to make the reader feel foolish for buying your work and some of these names almost sound mocking.
It should not, in my opinion, look like a gemstone, an element, or a fanfiction writer.
Initials are very popular, but there's been such a flood of them over the past few years that I believe their usefulness is at an end.
Josh wrote: "Lissa, I think writers should pick pen names that mean something to them. If your writing career takes off, you'll be living with that pen name a long time. It should also be something easy to ..."
So when you're querying publishers do you just use that name? Or do they know it's a pen name? It sounds a little like having multiple personalities.
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My pen name is my legal DBA. I use it more than my own name, so it seems perfectly natural to me. Plus, I started out in mainstream where pen names are generally the rule.
In most cases, knowledge of your legal name won't be An Important Sekret, so you can certainly contact your publisher using it. If it is an issue, though, because of other contractual obligations or personal reasons, then I would advise that you do not share your legal name until you reach the contract stage of the game. Until then, it's really no one's business but your own.
Josh wrote: "So when you're querying publishers do you just use that name? Or do they know it's a pen name? It sounds a little like having multiple personalities. My pen name is my legal DBA. I use it more ..."
Thanks for the info. That's a better answer than I've gotten from any of the millions of writing books I've read. I appreciate your openness to talking about writing and the business.
FWIW...My pen name (first & last) are derivatives of my real name. I wanted something I'd feel comfortable and familiar with. And something shorter to scrawl on bookmarks. LOL. I've been operating as Kari Gregg for about a year (?) now to accustom myself to it, but I also didn't want Kari to be a complete unknown when I finally signed a contract, either. Granted, I'm still a whole lotta Who the H*ll is Kari Gregg?, but I've made a few friends, at least. Wish I would've done more in that regard though. I didn't switch over to Kari among some of my peers until recently -- it's like starting all over again. DOH!I submitted my books under my real name, though, and I'm not entirely sure I regret that. One editor still addresses me by my real name, but she dealt with me that way for about a yr before any contracts were signed. Which is comforting. Somebody knows who I am when I'm not Kari. OTOH, my other editor switched over to Kari almost immediately and Kari it's been ever since. Which helps with my day-to-day You're-Supposed-to-be-Kari-Now transition to business.
I'm hopeful that this will all get easier as I go. Still feels very much like being two people instead of different aspects of the same person. Weird.
Is it more okay now to use a female name as a pen name for m/m writing? And a question on editing. I did the whole college thing. Have a degree in Creative Writing. However, I still suck at commas apparently (my fellow critiquers have pointed out) what's the best guide for that?
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For punctuation, I recommend EATS, SHOOTS & LEAVES by Lynne Truss.
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I think it'll get easier -- just as all aspects of marketing and promotion get easier as you go along.
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The problem is, everyone reads those articles, so the first half of the alphabet is flooded with similar-sounding names. ;-D The prospective buyer's eye gets tired and they jump ahead for a fresh start.
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Oh, initials still make perfectly decent pen names! It's just that they've been used in m/m fiction for so long that they're almost code. I don't mean that they don't make a good pen name or that they shouldn't be used. I certainly prefer them to Jadestar Wildwind. ;-P
There was also just a big blog thread on Wave's site about male/female pen names and some readers being annoyed with one or the other using opposite gender names. The majority didn't care too much so long as the writing was good, but to others it was misleading.
It's a topic that's mostly of interest to beginning and newish writers because they're always wondering if there's a particular way of doing things that will guarantee success. For the vast majority of readers, it's of no interest one way or the other.
And really, why would it be?
You either write the stuff that people love to read or you don't. The top earners in this genre are women -- and they're open about it. I think that pretty much tells us everything we need to know.
I suspect I speak for a lot of writers when I say that a reader who chooses me based on my perceived gender is a reader I would just as soon went bye-bye.
I ask more about gender based on how publishers perceive it, rather than readers. I prefer female authors for the most part because experience has shown that I relate to the books more. However, there are a handfull of really amazing male authors I read too, so it would never stop me from reading a male author of any genre. I had read an article a while back that talked about some publishers refusing to publish a female writer if she went by a feminine name, whether the writing was good or not.
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Yep. Absolutely. You're always going to have some of that. And the other way around too, by the way. And I've known male writers who were rejected by female publishers because their work was considered too feminine. It can get pretty crazy out there.
But I don't believe you'll find it an issue with most romance publishers -- and the romance publishers are the most successful at marketing and selling m/m (as a unique sub-genre of romance versus a branch of gay lit).
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I'm afraid she's going to write me in a minute asking why the hell I'm making fun of her name.
Jadestar Wildwind... O_O Bless her little heart.I probably shouldn't talk since I didn't put nearly this much thought into my own name. Missy is actually my real nickname and my family name is of Welsh descent. Oh well! I'll be going out into the real world as this Missy Welsh person for the first time when I attend a writer's conference in October. Should be interesting :)
Hi Josh,I'm a brand new writer, (First book is due out Dec 2010) You gave me some great advice about my "Baby". Now I have another question. I just got my second novel accepted (It will be my first in the M/M genre) So I put on my blog an excerpt from a short story I did and I was completely bashed by a gay male. His comments were not about my story or about my writing ability but the fact that I was a female. His opinion was that I had no business writing about stuff that I didn't understand. That I was no better than "Gay for Pay" (those were some of the nice comments) I politely pointed out that Meyers wasn't a vampire, nor had she ever met one and King never met a ghost yet they still wrote great stories. Do you find that this is a rare opinion or do a lot of people feel that female writers should only write about female romances?
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You've always had -- and always will -- those who feel that unless you've lived/experienced something, you shouldn't write about it. Men should not write about women, black people should not try to write the white experience, someone who has not lived with the Inuit should not attempt to write stories about them.
Often the complaint is that the outsider can't possibly get it right, but sometimes the complaint is simply...you have no write to appropriate a piece of that to which you do not belong.
And it is true that there are political, cultural, and socio implications in writing Latino culture or disability that don't exist writing about vampires and serial killers -- although if we're going to be cold-bloodedly logical, it is all the same. If we permit fiction, if we permit storytelling at all, then we must accept that all stories are fair game.
But we can't -- and shouldn't -- be cold-bloodedly logical about the feelings of others when there is, after all, validity in their objections. For the same reason that a disabled person objects to being fetishized, so does the gay person struggle with part of the heterosexual population fighting tooth and nail to deny her basic civil rights -- and another part of the population writing elaborate sexual fantasies about her.
It is a little frightening, you have to admit. We can all agree on that much.
Much of m/m fiction is pretty crass and f/f is even worse, in my humble opinion. It's troubling from every possible perspective that nearly every publisher categorizes m/m or GLBT under erotica. As though by definition gay = fucking like minks.
The other thing you have going on here -- and I think this is historically unique -- is that you've never had so much money involved in writing about a minority group. It's possible that heterosexual m/m writers can make more than gay writers while writing gay romances. That's...disconcerting. And I'm not sure that understanding that these stories are largely marketed to heterosexual readers helps or makes it all the worse. You can make an argument for either case.
It's true that a lot of the old lesbian pulps were written by straight men, but I don't think you had quite so much money involved, and even if you did, it wasn't so public. It wasn't openly promoted and marketed so it didn't feel quite so blatantly commercialized.
Another problem is that m/m like ALL romance and romantic fiction does present an idealized view of relationships and love affairs and it can create unfair and even unhealthy expectations. A lot of people dislike romance and romantic fiction period.
This is all obviously just my own opinion, and the reality is the kind of guy who talks about gay for pay is someone ignorant of the antecedents of m/m fiction which in fact stem from fan fiction -- which is not about money or pay or financial gain. Slash fiction has been around for...twenty? Thirty? How many years?
This is not to say that plenty of erotica writers don't turn to m/m strictly because they believe this is where the money is, but a far greater percentage write because this is what they've always written, this is what they love, and now it's not only permissable to do so (in some corners of the publishing universe), you can be paid to do so.
Do you see why I feel it's a philosophical impasse? There is no right or wrong answer here -- it's not black and white and it's not simple. It has to do with everything from the complexity of human sexuality to freedom of speech.
It is, unfortunately, a polarizing debate, and in some corners of the web it's getting uglier and more aggressive as frustration rises. But the people who are the most angry and frustrated are also the ones that it's futile to engage with. You will not persuade them. All you can do is try to understand the validity of their feelings, and move on.
Thank you for your reply and your opinion. I value it highly. First let me say that I don't disagree with what you are saying and I did not in any way mean that I did not value his opinion. I apologize if I gave that impression. I was shocked by the rage and the venom in his words. I was just wondering if this was the mainstream view, whether many in the GLBT community felt this way.I believe that on some level we write what we know, what we see around us, what we research as well as our beliefs, regardless of the genre. Being female I understand prejudice, I understand inequality and I also understand acceptance and love. I write about those things whether in a realistic manner or a far fetched one. I mean really does Het Romance really depict the reality of womanhood, motherhood or the average female? It's the fantasy of the perfect man, the perfect love. It's the happily ever after that most readers want to dream about through the books they read. they want to set aside the ugly side of every day life and for that hour or two while turning the pages,be taken to a perfect world.
I have always been amazed that so many want equal right, but only to a point. I want the same rights as you, but I want to be given special rights because of who I am and I'm not beyond infringing on your rights as long as I get mine. This philosophy in my opinion seems to be the norm rather than the exception. I want more African American books but I only want them written by African Americans. I want more GLBT books, but I only want them written by GLBT writers. I want more strong successful women stories but I only want them written by strong successful women. I want you to still treat me as a delicate lady, but also as your equal. You can see the difficulty in this.
This is a topic that is difficult to battle. It is much like politics and religion, you can voice your opinion, but you rarely can change the opinions of others.
Again I apologize if I gave the impression that I trivialized his opinion. I had not meant to start a debate about the rights of people, only a curiosity about the views of a community.
Thank you for sharing your opinions and your feelings. As always I love reading the things you have to say and it's always a treat to get a glimpse inside your mind.
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I don't think you trivialized his opinion, Sherri. I think you were shocked by the antipathy, and it is shocking when it comes out of the blue.
I think part of the trouble is simply specific to romance fiction as a genre. Sometimes it's hard to understand ourselves -- let alone explain to someone else who doesn't share our feelings or experience -- why we find something interesting or exciting or attractive. I've got no doubt that many Native Americans are less than thrilled with the way they're portrayed in so many historical romances, and yet the intent there is not to hurt or offend or infringe. And is it really damaging? Surely the readers who earnestly believe in the historical accuracy of Bold Eagle's Bride are readers who had it all wrong to start with -- and don't care about getting it right? The rest of us can tell fact from fiction and simply enjoy the romantic fantasy for what it is.
I think there's a significant difference between historical romance and romantic historicals -- and I do not believe that one is intrinsically "better" than the other. They both fill a purpose.
It's a dangerous thing when one group -- whatever the group -- starts trying to tell another what is an appropriate romantic or sexual fantasy (obviously I'm not talking those acts which are illegal and victimize others). And it's equally dangerous when artists start telling each other who may create what.
I think as long as the material is approached with respect and sensitivity...this is all that anyone can ask.
Josh wrote: "- Think of last names early in the alphabet..."The problem is, everyone reads those articles, so the first half of the alphabet is flooded ..."
Ahaha! I laughed when I saw the suggestion. Granted, I may be odd, but I NEVER start at A, figuring novices are overpopulated there. If hunting for a random new author to give a try, I start from the K's, at earliest. So yeah, Josh, that comment pegged me pretty well. (ETA: I think part of it for me is wondering if the P's get ignored, and wanting to do my part, heh.)
I think I discovered Z.A. Maxfield by heading straight to the bottom. Yay! (Loose ID, I think it is, alphabetizes by first initial).
Still, it might work for most people. Just thought that suggestion was humorous given my practices.
Josh wrote: "What you have there, Sherri, is philosophical impasse..."Wow. I have to say that this post was an excellent presentation of how difficult this problem is to resolve. From both sides.
Not that I have anything to add, just that I'm glad Sherri asked the question, so that you could respond with such an insightful post.
Thanks for taking the time.
Josh wrote: I think as long as the material is approached with respect and sensitivity...this is all that anyone can ask.I couldn't agree with you more and something I have always tried to follow to the best of my ability. thank you
Ocotillo wrote: Not that I have anything to add, just that I'm glad Sherri asked the question, so that you could respond with such an insightful postI am so glad I asked this question too Ocotillo. Going to be racking my brain coming up with more topics to throw out. I love Josh's insight and respect his opinions greatly.
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