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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "The Soviet Union took Eastern Europe? Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria were part of a bunch of dyplomatic treaties but pretty much not taken. Or what did you mean?..."

You are kidding me? Right?


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "And, while almost 70 000 Polish military were killed fighting Germans, they did not fight the USSR and no people were killed by the Soviets...."

You ever hear of Kaytn?


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments Beau wrote: "NZ reminds me of Canada. In recent years, it’s regressed from being a great country and highly desirable place to live into a woke quagmire run by infantile fools. It’s a bit like America would be now without its 50% Republican population. ..."

Belarus is calling.....


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Marxist ideology is also Western in nature. Or was Marx the dearest Russian? If so, I'm not aware of that development...."

Marx did say he was not a Marxists. He was refuting Marxists. That says it all to me. BTW, he was German, which is interesting when you think about it.


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J. Gowin | 7977 comments Papaphilly wrote: "Ian wrote: "I do not believe Russia would shut off gas to make a point. My comment was that Ursula von der Leyen has threatened to make it impossible for the EU to pay for it. That is the only poin..."

The question is, "What does Putin think he can get away with".

1.) Ukraine is not part of NATO.

2.) The EU would suffer just as much from sanctioning Russia as Russia would.

3.) Biden appears to be cowardly and incompetent.

His ideal outcome would be to intimidate NATO into appeasement. Failing that, he doesn't have cause to believe that a limited military action would draw more than angry rants.


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Ian wrote: "I do not believe Russia would shut off gas to make a point. My comment was that Ursula von der Leyen has threatened to make it impossible for the EU to pay for it. Th..."

Ukraine is trying to become part of NATO and Russia cannot have that happen. It leaves them vulnerable to invasion and there is historical precedent.

As weak as Biden seems, he cannot let this one happen or it will be the end of the Democrats and Western Europe cannot allow this to happen either.

Russia does not have the might to stand up to NATO.

Western Europe would suffer greatly, but Russia would collapse. It is a kleptocracy and they would not allow themselves to lose what they stole already. Putin is part of a system and the system would rid themselves of him.

I am not saying Russia is evil in its intent. I fully acknowledge regardless of what we feel, it is in Russian interests to protect their vulnerabilities. I also believe Russia and Putin are rational actors. It would be an irrational act to provoke NATO and larger European Union either with military or economic problems.


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘

If Russia was such a great benefactor, why did almost all of Eastern Europe run to NATO?


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments Beau wrote: "Btw, for the anti-smokers amongst you, nobody has ever done anything they regret after smoking a packet of fags. Plenty have done so after drinking too much alcohol. Not encouraging smoking, just saying. ..."

I was thinking about resuming smoking if and when I reach the age of 70. Should probably start to stock up for cigs might not be around then


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Ian Miller | 1857 comments It would appear everything is deteriorating. The US/Israel vs Iran negotiations seem to be getting nowhere because both sides have added more issues that they know the other side won't accept.

The EU has more or less flagged it will apply sanctions to Russia if it sends in troops to Ukraine, but it will not send in troops. As a biting sanction, it will shut down the Nord Stream gas pipe, but so far they are refusing to open it so that is not much of a threat, and Biden has refused to promise no missiles in Ukraine in the future.

China has been very quiet, but if the US gets tangled in Iran and Ukraine, can it do anything to stop an opportunistic China from taking Taiwan? From a strategic point of view, all of this does not look good.


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Nik wrote: "Must've been drunk, but didn't notice any facts that you'd mentioned, except for casting doubt in workers and peasants funding it :)" So, if tomorow a person who spent the last, I dunno..."

Mis, pay attention - in all this longish post, there are only two facts: that Marx is not Russian and that Lenin supposedly spent most of his time in emigration. Explains nothing about why the revo is not Russian. All the rest is just innuendo.
Adam Smith is also not exactly American, Spanish or whatever, however many countries embraced his theories. So what?
To have a revolution going, the funding would be secondary, tertiary or whatever, you can't buy it - you still need a huge number of people who feel desperate enough to revolt. Tsarist Russia was a very backwards country.


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Anecdotally, the same greeat-grandfather was betrayed to a Nazi officer by a Ukrainian. Barely survived...."

I'm sure it's another made up story to smear Ukrainians. Just doesn't make sense...

☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Seriously, they didn't protect their own countries/places and now you're sying they protected Moscow?...."

Mis, you should full well know that the composition of Soviet military was always of mixed ethnicities. 2.5 million Ukrainians perished at the front, defending Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and all the other places... You can't single out nor prove numerically that certain ethnicity bore more brunt than the other


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Which is a military crime which's a bit worse than an intervention...."

I've put links before where Russians are wanted for military crimes of downing a Malaysian plane and others... But I guess they won't appear.
It should be remembered that it was Russia that extracted Yanukovich and send troops to subvert Ukrainian authorities in the East. Naturally, all the losses on both sides were avoidable otherwise...


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "LOL! I'm a bit excited here :) Luv thinking up Qs that a person with Ukrainian background would be highly likely to know or could just Google :).

Forcing myself to stop at 10 Qs :)"


Don't share your excitement about word quizzes :( What's the point and who would understand?


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments J. wrote: "His ideal outcome would be to intimidate NATO into appeasement. Failing that, he doesn't have cause to believe that a limited military action would draw more than angry rants..."

Realistic assumptions


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "2.5 million Ukrainians perished at the front, defending Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and all the other places... You can't single out nor prove numerically that certain ethnicity bore more brunt than the other"
What do you mean I can't? Well, YOU can't 'cause you know jack shit of history beyond cheap propaganda.

Dead military of Red Army in WW2:
Russians - 5 756 000 - 66% of all dead
Ukrainians - 1 377 400 - 15% of all dead
Belarussians - 252 900 - 3% of all dead
Tatars - 187 700 - 2% of all dead
Jews ;- 142 500 - 1,6% of all dead

The total composition of Red Army in WW2:
• @ 1 Jan 1940: Russians — 63,98 %, Ukrainians — 18,79 %, Belarussians — 3,67 %, Asians — 2,63 %;
• @ 1 Jul 1940: Russians — 60,97 %, Ukrainians — 19,58 %, Belarussians — 4,13 %, Asians — 4,22 %;
• @ 1 Jan 1941: Russians — 56,39 %, Ukrainians — 20,24 %, Belarussians — 4,35 %, Asians — 5,32%, Tatars — 1,99 %, Jews — 1,84 %.

Mind it that Russians and Jews died more than was their fair share, if we are talking stats here.


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Papaphilly wrote: "Marx did say he was not a Marxists. He was refuting Marxists. That says it all to me. BTW, he was German, which is interesting when you think about it."Considering that it was Marx-Engels doctrine (and not, I dunno, Chaaaev or Ivanov/Petrov one) that commies bought, yeah, it does say it all to me.

Or, let's imagine that in whatever is your country, Petrov doctrine gets the in, a revolutional in, tomorrow. Let's also imagine Petrov cries bloody murder and refuses to own up to his own ideas. Would you say Russia had nothing to do with this Petrov and the sudden popularity of his ideas?

Papaphilly wrote: "If Russia was such a great benefactor, why did almost all of Eastern Europe run to NATO"Why did the USSR fall apart? I think the answer to both Qs would be the same.


message 1417: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 03:24AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: Mis, pay attention - in all this longish post, there are only two facts: that Marx is not Russian and that Lenin supposedly spent most of his time in emigration. Explains nothing about why the revo is not Russian."

I posted long before that this:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Did you know where Lenin and the rest of the crazy bunch studied their ideology? In Geneva, Zurich, Stuttgart, Kuokkala, Helsingfors, London, Paris, Lozanne, Capri, Berlin, Copenhagen, Krakow, Munich, Vienna, Montreux. Basel… You can look up his diaries and you will be surprised at how little time he actually spent in Russia before the revolution. Now, who funded all that traipsing around? "
Do I have to repeat facts like a parrot for you to sit up and pay attention?

To fact check you can do 2 things: google Lenin on Wiki and pay attention to where he lived when (it would be about 70% correct) or look up his diaries. Or maybe look up articles by researchers who did the math.

It's roughly about 200 days that he lived in Russia during 15 years before and during the revolution.


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Nik wrote: "2.5 million Ukrainians perished at the front, defending Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and all the other places... You can't single out nor prove numerically that certain ethnicity bore more ..."

In such cases Papaphilly likes to say: "You make my point for me" :) Don't know how accurate your data is, but according to it - roughly 40% non- Russians were fighting to defend Russia and other parts of the USSR.


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "I've put links before where Russians are wanted for military crimes of downing a Malaysian plane and others... But I guess they won't appear.
It should be remembered that it was Russia that extracted Yanukovich and send troops to subvert Ukrainian authorities in the East. Naturally, all the losses on both sides were avoidable otherwise..."
Can I please remind you that the Malaysian plane debacle is not as clear cut as you make it to be, both sides are pointing at each other and if it doesn't look like a false flag op, I dunno what is. Basically, my point is: if Russians did it, we should see all evidence disclosed.

Let's also remember that it was Ukraine that put military planes up long before any people went up in arms over there. What's even more, Ukraine attacked civilian buildings that contained lots of civilian people with those planes.

Let's also kindly pay attention to Odessa (where supposedly about 50-150 ethnic Russians all burned and beaten themselves to death being very uncautious using fire).

Also to Kiev where some unnknown snipers shot to death about 100 ppl.

To journalists who are getting routinely killed in Ukraine (Buzina, Gongadze, Kostenko, etc) - essencially, it you are proRussian, you get killed, only Ukraine-hailing journlists are allowed to work and live).

Extracting Janukovich? What was even happening in the supposedly democratical Ukraine that he even needed extracting?


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "Don't share your excitement about word quizzes :( What's the point and who would understand?"My Qs weren't focused on words but were about cultural things that only a person who actually lived there would've known and would've had a great laugh about them. While to a Russian, Polish, French, etc, it would be a 'word quiz'. They wouldn't even recognize.

Your reply demonstrates you're definitely NOT from Ukraine. I think it would be only fair if you admitted you were lying all along about your background.



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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "It's roughly about 200 days that he lived in Russia during 15 years before and during the revolution...."

So? Of course, he was on the run, in Russia he would've been arrested. He's still Russian, isn't he? How he's whereabouts prove anything?
Oh, Wikipedia would be 70% accurate, but you will be 100% :) Yeah, right


message 1422: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 03:46AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "In such cases Papaphilly likes to say: "You make my point for me" :) Don't know how accurate your data is, but according to it - roughly 40% non- Russians were fighting to defend Russia and other parts of the USSR."You are not only a bad Ukrainian but a horrible statistician as well, LOL

If 20% of Ukrainians fought contributing to only 15% who died AND 56% of Russians fought and contributed to 66% of deaths, that's telling. And not the story you're spinning.

Also, kindly note that Armenians, Georgians, Jews, pure Asian and the like contributed at least as much as Ukraine, if we are measuring contributions. Even considering it wasn't their Ukraine that the fight was on. I think you might be on your way to prove Ukraine ows lands to them all. (Kindly note that wasn't my idea but where your lack of logic led you)


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Nik wrote: "Don't share your excitement about word quizzes :( What's the point and who would understand?"My Qs weren't focused on words but were about cultural things that only a person who actuall..."

Mis, I just thought your question were stupid (sorry) and that only me and maybe you with Google translate assistance would understand the answers. What's the point? I don't feel I need to prove anything about myself. I believe our members would be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. I believe you are from Senegal, basing on your profile: " Female, ✨⁂City⚜of✦Friendship✧and✷Skyfire✵, 7, Senegal " , not sure about - female :)


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "So? Of course, he was on the run, in Russia he would've been arrested. He's still Russian, isn't he? How he's whereabouts prove anything?
Oh, Wikipedia would be 70% accurate, but you will be 100% :) Yeah, right"

1/ He was part-Kalmyk, part-Jew, not Russian by about 80%+. Actually, I've got a lot of the same heritage, LOL
2/ But how did he fund all that travelling? What did his ideas have to do with Russia? Arrested, okay. Isn't that what's supposed to happen to revolutionaries on their way to revolution? Or how else are you supposed to do that revolution? By writing letters from a luxurious spa overseas?

I do my research, while some people who write on Wiki are about as knowledgeable as you are about Ukraine, Nikky.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


message 1425: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 03:47AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "Mis, I just thought your question were stupid (sorry) and that only me and maybe you with Google translate assistance would understand the answers. What's the point? I don't feel I need to prove anything about myself." So, you admit you would need Google translate to even understand things, LOL. How come you're still claiming to be Ukrainian?

Yes, let's discuss Senegal and my gender, It's all so very relevant. LOL


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "1/ He was part-Kalmyk, part-Jew, not Russian. Actually, I've got a lot of the same heritage, LOL..."

I doubt that very much and 70% accurate Wikipedia adds to my doubts, although much of it is just different theories https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%... :) Take into account that interreligious marriages weren't legally recognized in tsarist Russia https://spbarchives.ru/weddings_1_1
so, it would be unlikely in Lenin's lineage too...


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: " How come you're still claiming to be Ukrainian?..."

Were I claiming to be Ukrainian? Being borne, growing up there and doing biz there regularly doesn't make me Ukrainian :)
If anything I'm more Russian and as such I regret Russia had reverted to military aggression towards what was once believed - a fraternal nation


message 1428: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 06:00AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: " interreligious marriages weren't legally recognized in tsarist Russia"iterreligious marriages were just fine considering the non-Christians converted to Christianity, of course. Which didn't stop the Buddhist Kalmyks from being Kalmyks, as you probably can imagine.

At least that's how my Kalmyk and Khakas ancestors operated. It's also an often referred to in lit social lifehack of that time.

Nik wrote: "Were I claiming to be Ukrainian? Being borne, growing up there and doing biz there regularly doesn't make me Ukrainian :)
If anything I'm more Russian and as such I regret ."
You're none of those things or you would've gotten at least some of my cultural quest thingy :) You don't live in Ukraine without getting at least some of its culture. Kids as young as 7-8 would've gotten at least some answers right.

Maybe you were born there and left really young... A possibility, I think. Still, that would preclude you from being an authority on all things Ukrainian. You can't know the country unless you get the culture/language and have at least travelled around it for quite some time or lived there or smth. As is, you're just retelling a bunch of newspapers (some really dated, it seems) and/or some googling (in English, I might add) and a bunch of stuff that maybe you can discuss with other expats of Ukrainian descent.

None of these have the potential of taking you out of the echo chamber of the popular opinions or letting you just go out in the street and see people, talk to them, see what they do and how they live and what they think about stuff...


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "You're none of those things or you would've gotten at least some of my cultural quest thingy :) You don't live in Ukraine without getting at least some of its culture. Kids as young as 7-8 would've gotten at least some answers right. ..."

Again, I'm flattered by your interest, Mis. I can easily answer all your questions, just don't see a point. I doubt you really want to know more than to cast doubt, but a bit of my bio is not a secret either :)
I'd left USSR for Israel in the age of 17, and returned to already independent Ukraine a few years later for work and biz. There were years when my schedule was 10 days Ukraine, 4- Israel, however during more recent years I travel there 3-5 times a year. I have a cumulative experience of probably over 25 years of Ukraine and been there all over and maybe 1.5 years of Russia from Moscow & St. Petersburg to Kaliningrad and Barnaul.
Imperfect as Ukraine is, I like its regime more than what a modern Russia turned into. Regrettably. But that's just my opinion and if Russians are happy, I'm happy for them


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments Ian wrote: "China has been very quiet, but if the US gets tangled in Iran and Ukraine, can it do anything to stop an opportunistic China from taking Taiwan? From a strategic point of view, all of this does not look good...."

China does not have the military power to take Taiwan.


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "If Russia was such a great benefactor, why did almost all of Eastern Europe run to NATO"Why did the USSR fall apart? I think the answer to both Qs would be the same...."

It fell apart because the entire system never worked. Those that lived under the Soviet cover left as fast as they could.


message 1432: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 08:34AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "I'm flattered by your interest, Mis. I can easily answer all your questions, just don't see a point. I doubt you really want to know more than to cast doubt, but a bit of my bio is not a secret either :)
I'd left USSR for Israel in the age of 17, and returned to already independent Ukraine a few years later for work and biz "

I'm just naturally distrustful of bots or people who miss cultural cues.

Anyway, your story doesn't check out still. By 17 99% of the Qs I posted here (https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...) wouldn't need googling or be difficult for a person who lived in Ukraine at all.


message 1433: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 08:24AM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Papaphilly wrote: "It fell apart because the entire system never worked. " You answered your own question, I guess. Though there are several other (f)actors that you could list up.


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Nik wrote: "Russia from Moscow & St. Petersburg to Kaliningrad and Barnaul."
Let's check your knowledge of Barnaul here :) What's the most prominent thing you see about it when you walk its streets? Really strikes Soviet, that one. You can list several ones, if you aren't sure which one I'm about here :)

Ma нишма бисраел? Ma hаинъяним? Банот бинъяним? LOL Ever heard this one? (Yes, I'm sprecifically using the Russian translit for google to be funky here:)


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Or, let's imagine that in whatever is your country, Petrov doctrine gets the in, a revolutional in, tomorrow. Let's also imagine Petrov cries bloody murder and refuses to own up to his own ideas. Would you say Russia had nothing to do with this Petrov and the sudden popularity of his ideas? .."


Help me out with this one. Which Petrov? I know of two, one is a chess defense and one defected to Australia. Is there a third? If so can you give me a link to describe the doctrine??


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Ian Miller | 1857 comments Papaphilly, I agree China could not take Taiwan now, but if it elected to bomb Iran and Iran responded in the region by being troublesome, say for argument turning Iraq upside down, sinking ships in the Gulf, etc. what then?

If, at the same time, Russia invaded Ukraine, what does the US do? If it sends troops to defend Ukraine from Germany, etc, can it defend the Baltics? Does it use its missile bases there? If it does, that forces the Russians to invade the Baltics. If the US is depending on help from its NATO allies, do you really think the EU is going to actively get involved? At present, all they are doing is being enthusiastic about sanctions.

Now, does the US really have the power to protect Taiwan? Maybe Taiwan can defend itself, but if all this happens, where does it end? Is this the right time to embark on another mid-east adventure given the recent success rates of others? Even the US does not have unlimited forces. In my opinion, it needs to defuse something, which raises the question, how?


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Ian Miller | 1857 comments My view is if Nik says he is Ukrainian, he is Ukrainian. It is not that big a deal if he isn't. (I still think he most likely uses an Israeli passport, but I could be wrong there too.)

However, he is wrong if he thinks most of the world follows the economics of Adam Smith. Smith started economics and was hugely important, but most have moved onwards from there.


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☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Papaphilly wrote: "Help me out with this one. Which Petrov? I know of two, one is a chess defense and one defected to Australia. Is there a third? If so can you give me a link to describe the doctrine??"Whichever. Petrov, Ivanov and Sidorov are the Smiths and Browns of the Russian namescame - the most random/popular family names there are.

I was inviting you to imagine what you would think if a revolution happened tomorrow in your country. One led by someone basing their views on some Petrov's views. In case this Petrov refused to acknowledge his followers, would you still consider that these ideas originated from Russia?

If no, from where then? From open space?
If yes, then the commies' ideas originated from the West.


message 1439: by ☘Misericordia☘ (last edited Dec 11, 2021 03:17PM) (new)

☘Misericordia☘ ⚡ϟ⚡⛈⚡☁ ❇️❤❣ (misericordia) Ian wrote: "My view is if Nik says he is Ukrainian, he is Ukrainian. It is not that big a deal if he isn't. (I still think he most likely uses an Israeli passport, but I could be wrong there too.)

However, he..."
Well, I don't care, for one, who he is. Personally, he can be a Maori and I wouldn't care if he was informed about Ukraine if he insists on talking about as an informed insider. If he visits it at random w/o any knowledge or understanding of the language, culture, background, history, then his input is not exactly informed.

That's what I was about. I don't think a person could make statements such as this one with any degree of honesty: Nik wrote: "Ukraine, maybe corrupted similarly to Russia 🇷🇺, is in many senses so much better and more of a country." while not being an actual insider. You either have to maybe live in there or have an understanding of what exactly it has long since become or just not repeat this propaganda. I'd think so.


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments Ian wrote: "Papaphilly, I agree China could not take Taiwan now, but if it elected to bomb Iran and Iran responded in the region by being troublesome, say for argument turning Iraq upside down, sinking ships i..."

Fair questions.

Taiwan is not unprotected on its own. It can defend itself quite well. China has a major problem, how does it invade? It's Army is truly a police force and not a traditional army that we recognize. It has no navy to speak of and to invade it will have to be a sustained naval assault. that is depending on the United States not stepping in the the fleet not far from there.

China has three options, win, lose or draw. In this case a draw is a loss for them and they cannot afford a loss. If they invade and lose, they will collapse as a group. If they invade, they will have economic sanctions and they will stick. If they invade, the United States navy will sink their ships with just our submarine fleet.

From a different angle, when have the Chinese invaded and won? Hong Kong?


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Ian Miller | 1857 comments Fair enough. If it is that easy for the US, China won't bother. However, I doubt the sanctions will work very well - there are too many US companies manufacturing in China.

Also, it appears the talks over Iran haven't exactly broken down. According to one news item they haven't actually started - they are instead bickering over the agenda for the talks. That suggests they won't even start.


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Papaphilly | 5042 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Help me out with this one. Which Petrov? I know of two, one is a chess defense and one defected to Australia. Is there a third? If so can you give me a link to describe the doctr..."

Before I can imagine Petrov, I have to know what his views are about. Can you please explain which one or provide me a link?


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Nik wrote: "Russia from Moscow & St. Petersburg to Kaliningrad and Barnaul."
Let's check your knowledge of Barnaul here :) What's the most prominent thing you see about it when you walk its streets..."


I'd rather you tell us something about Senegal. I am a big fan of Africa, would love to know more :)

☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "Банот бинъяним?..."

I guess you meant this בונים בניינים , but probably you still think I'll be taking your tests to prove myself :)


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments ☘Misericordia☘ wrote: "I don't think a person could make statements such as this one with any degree of honesty: Nik wrote: "Ukraine, maybe corrupted similarly to Russia 🇷🇺, is in many senses so much better and more of a country." while not being an actual insider. You either have to maybe live in there or have an understanding of what exactly it has long since become or just not repeat this propaganda...."

How can my personal opinion be any kind of propaganda?


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Nik Krasno | 19850 comments Ian wrote: "Also, it appears the talks over Iran haven't exactly broken down. According to one news item they haven't actually started - they are instead bickering over the agenda for the talks. That suggests they won't even start...."

As far as I follow, Iranians brought 2 term sheets that changed significantly the understandings reached during previous round of negotiations in the summer, so others thought they weren't serious, but supposedly they agreed recently to proceed basing on the existing understandings, so the talks resumed.. Let's see


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Ian Miller | 1857 comments It is good if they are talking, but as you say, let's see.


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Nik wrote: "I was thinking about resuming smoking if and when I reach the age of 70. Should probably start to stock up for cigs might not be around then"

I've been thinking the same but quite fancy trying a pipe.


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J. Gowin | 7977 comments The potential impact of the Evergrande default:
https://youtu.be/hz0kK6sFRUw

What the Chinese have bought with all of that debt:
https://youtu.be/sx4Yc2ifo_w


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J. Gowin | 7977 comments Bank of England plans to remove interest rate rule for mortgages
https://www.theguardian.com/business/...

One note for you Brits: One of the big drivers of that economic near collapse back in 2008 was US banks easing mortgage lending requirements.


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J. wrote: "Bank of England plans to remove interest rate rule for mortgages
https://www.theguardian.com/business/...

One note for you..."


The world is heading for economic meltdown, J. It's why we're in the early stages of the Great Reset.

Now, inflation is going up so interest rates will go up too, and anyone who's overstretched with their mortgage will soon have a problem. They're not content with people's freedom. They want everything we own too. The change in mortgage rules is probably part of the plan.

Note for any cultists making plans for my home - tough, we own it outright :)


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