2020 Cosmere BR (Currently reading: Edgedancer)

[Siobhan]

I skim read the link Beena but obviously didn't take that bit in 😅

So because I've backed it, I'll be able to buy things after in a special shop? :) Do they email you when it's available?

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Sir Anni wrote: "Timelord Iain wrote: "Re: Prologue: The Heralds aren’t gone... they broke the Oathpact, and abandoned Taln to torture in Damnation alone(which turned out to be a blessing in disguise, since he endu..."

Yeah... it all comes together in book 3 (view spoiler)[when Ash & Taln join the Radiants in the Battle for Thaylen City (hide spoiler)]

Flashbacks should be interesting, too... Books 9 & 10 are (view spoiler)[Shalash & Taln's books... Taln's are probably going to be horrible (unless it focuses more on how he became the one non-royal Herald, and not the 4500 years of torture)... Shalash's might be weird... Shallan 2.0, with a descent into madness? (maybe I exaggerate with my Shallan dislike) (hide spoiler)]

[Beena]

Lol, it was a long post Siobhan! I've just spent the last 40 minutes it or so figuring it out instead of reading!

So because I've backed it, I'll be able to buy things after in a special shop? :) Do they email you when it's available?

Yeah, that's what Sanderson said in the post :) I've no idea, but I'm assuming so!

[Siobhan]

Sounds awesome!! ☺️

Thanks for highlighting this in the final hour, Anni! 😄

I'd love to know where you were stalking me to find that Radiants test 😂

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Beena wrote: " I'm not a bookshelfer, but Sanderson has put a lot of thought into these books... he wants a novella between each book (including going back and adding one between books 1 & 2) and these 10 leathe..."

Yea... so book 1 has the symbol for Windrunners... book 2 will be Lightweavers, book 3 Bondsmith, book 4 Willshaper, book 5 Skybreaker, book 6 Edgedancer, book 7 Truthwatcher, book 8 Elsecaller, book 9 another Lightweaver?, book 10 Stoneward

Maybe the system was broken with evolving flashbacks since the initial draft?... it looks like Dustbringer is missing, unless something drastic happens in the story... I guess Sanderson could always use Dustbringer for book 9, anyways, if there's a main enough character to warrant it?

[Beena]

@Siobhan, I know right?! Will definitely snatch up some of that artwork now!

Yeah, thanks Anni! Had no idea that was going on!

[Lucija]

Man that all looks so beautiful. I wish shipping wasn't so expensive. Shipping is more expensive than tier 2

[Anni]

Beena wrote: "@Anni, was wondering what you were talking about so took a look at that link, wow those leather bound books are beautiful! And that artwork looks amazing! I'm surprised Sanderson has decided to tur..."

I guess he's doing it because af the anniversary and I can imagine that it was requested a lot. There already are leatherbound versions of Mistborn, Warbreaker and Elantris I think and I can imagine that a lot of people would like to further build up their Sanderson library :)
Also think how expensive it would be to buy 10 of those monsters all at once, and how heavy the box would be for shipping :D Buying it piece by piece seems way more affordable.


Beena wrote: "I assume you'd only be able to buy that leatherbound version from him and nowhere else?"

I think so... You can check if you can buy the leatherbound Mistborn books anywhere else, if not, I guess the same is true for WoK

[Anni]

Timelord Iain wrote: "I really want that audiobook to happen... needs to make another 254k in 106 minutes tho, to hit the $7,000,000 stretch goal...

Probably the only way I'll "read" WoK Prime..."

Yeah, but it was stated that all the money from the Backerkit will count towards the goal as well, so I'm more than optimistic that we'll reach it :)

[Anni]

Siobhan wrote: "So because I've backed it, I'll be able to buy things after in a special shop? :) Do they email you when it's available?"

I think it's available immediately after the Kickstarter ends, so in roughly an hour.

Siobhan wrote: "I'd love to know where you were stalking me to find that Radiants test 😂"

A little here and there 🤭

I was admiring ine of your Instagram pictures and there you were discussing the test :) I'm afraid I forgot your order tho... I'm a bad stalker...

[Anni]

Lucija wrote: "Man that all looks so beautiful. I wish shipping wasn't so expensive. Shipping is more expensive than tier 2"

Yeah! :( But that's also because the poster will be shipped separately, so you have to pay for shipping twice. If you pass on the poster, you can buy the Novel + Swag set from the Backerkit (that's what I will do 😁). It's still $50 for the whole set (same as tier 2, but without the poster), but the shipping will be cheaper.

[Anni]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Sir Anni wrote: "Also, I was stalking Siobhan yesterday and saw that there's an official Knight Radiant Quiz now :) I'm very curious what order you are:

https://www.brandonsanderson.com/the-......"

Well I think I would definitely prefer being an Willshaper over being a Skybreaker... They seem to be a bit... fanatic.


But Truthwatcher sounds interesting, and with (view spoiler)[ Renarin, you're in good company. Just be careful that your spren stays "healthy" ;) (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

Sir Anni wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "So because I've backed it, I'll be able to buy things after in a special shop? :) Do they email you when it's available?"

I think it's available immediately after the Kickstarter e..."

You're not a bad stalker, I haven't actually done the test yet!! 😄 I will soon!

[Beena]

Sir Anni wrote: I guess he's doing it because af the anniversary and I can imagine that it was requested a lot. There already are leatherbound versions of Mistborn, Warbreaker and Elantris I think and I can imagine that a lot of people would like to further build up their Sanderson library :)
Also think how expensive it would be to buy 10 of those monsters all at once, and how heavy the box would be for shipping :D Buying it piece by piece seems way more affordable.

Yeah, he did say it was because of the 10 year anniversary. Ah that makes sense if there was a lot of demand for it. Haha, I did think buying all 10 together would cost thousands, but then again, I think I would do it; I'd prefer to have the whole set at once, rather than just a few and be annoyed that I didn't have the rest and just had other formats lol. I'd display them on my bookshelf and allow no-one else to touch them but me haha.

I think so... You can check if you can buy the leatherbound Mistborn books anywhere else, if not, I guess the same is true for WoK

Ah, good idea!

[Anni]

Beena wrote: "Sir Anni wrote: I guess he's doing it because af the anniversary and I can imagine that it was requested a lot. There already are leatherbound versions of Mistborn, Warbreaker and Elantris I think ..."

The Kickstarter actually mentioned bookstores


"We love independent bookstores, so as part of the campaign, there will be a few limited vendors who will have copies of The Way of Kings leatherbound as well as some of the swag items. These bookstores include:

Subterranean Press
The BYU Store
Murder By the Book
Mysterious Galaxy
Powell's Books
Borderlands Books

We'll have more information about this after the campaign, but the books likely won't be available at these vendors until the holiday season."

But I habe no idea where those booksstores are, but surely nowhere close to me 🙈

[Jordan]

@Beena I'm here. Sorry I've been catching up on everyone's comments. I also have not started reading yet as iv been busy.
@Timelord Iain I totally agree with your comment regarding chapters 56-58. By far the best chapters in the books so far.
I've already read WoR and oathbringer but wi start rereading soon and start commenting more. Nice to see everyone's views and Insights though.

[Lucija]

Sir Anni wrote: "Lucija wrote: "Man that all looks so beautiful. I wish shipping wasn't so expensive. Shipping is more expensive than tier 2"

Yeah! :( But that's also because the poster will be shipped separately,..."

Ah, yeah, that's what I was thinking too, maybe I'll go with that

[Lucija]

Chapter 6, 7 (view spoiler)[Jasnah better not be dead. I refuse to believe that.
Pattern is behaving like Syl did in the beginning, he doesn't remember anything.
Also, I find it interesting that Shallan had to convince the ship to change (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 8 (view spoiler)[Ah Dalinar thinks he wrote those words too. And I wonder who that friend is. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 9 (view spoiler)[I love seeing Rock and Syl interactions (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 10 (view spoiler)[Oohh what was thaat (hide spoiler)]

[Beena]

@Anni, Oh that's awesome that they're supporting bookstores! Lol, I have no idea where they are either, I'm guessing in America somewhere? So unlikely that I'd be able to visit..

@Jordan, no worries!

[Beena]

Chapter 6 & 7 (view spoiler)[ What the hell??! I didn't expect Jasnah to die! I thought she'd be around for ages! And there's me thinking it would be interesting for her to share what she knows with Dalinar and together with his visions they'd be able to piece more together. What a bummer. It was interesting to see Shallan use her power, that was a good chapter for her. Pattern is a weird one though. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 8 (view spoiler)[ I wonder what the Parshendi are really fighting for.. They're waiting for something by holding their Shardbearer back... (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 10 (view spoiler)[ I love how wholeheartedly Syl believes in Kaladin, she's so adorable.So it seems she's convincing him to tell Dalinar about his abilities...

It's funny how passing from Shadesmar to the physical world makes the spren lose their whole sense of self.

Also, the little excerpts from Navani's diary are getting more and more ominous.. :( (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 11 (view spoiler)[ Lucky that Jasnah's reserach was all saved and even more lucky that Shallan ran into Tvlakv, she wouldn't have lasted one second on her own.

On a side note, how the hell do you pronounce Tvlakv? It always bamboozled me in the last book, but I kept forgetting to ask.. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 12 (view spoiler)[ I love the dynamics of Bridge 4 and theri relationship with Kaladin; how much they support him and want to help him with his powers. Can't wait til Kaladin learns to use his powers to the best of his ability, it'll be awesome.

I'm intrigued to see who could possibly match him in sparring. (Maybe someone with Shardplate and a Shardblade? So possibly Adolin?

Shit, can't believe that Amaram's come! And he's an old friend of Dalinars! Crap, I hope he doesn't fuck things up for Kaladin/ try to feed lies to Dalinar! (hide spoiler)]

[Beena]

@Lucija

RE Chapter 6 & 7 (view spoiler)[ I think she is for real :( Yeah, I thought that about pattern too. (hide spoiler)]

RE Chapter 9 (view spoiler)[ Agree! Love the way he respects her so much. (hide spoiler)]

[Paula]

Chapter 7 (view spoiler)[oh, no. Jasnah is dead!! Maybe she wont? I hope so at least. Again the sword. She definitely has a shardblade. Quick thinking the sinking of the boat, but now she will have to travel much more to go to the shattered plains. (hide spoiler)]
Chapter 8 (view spoiler)[dalinar notices that he wrote the letters. Those little paragraphs of navanis diary are so mysterious and ominous...what disaster will happen that they did not see? Something about the parshmen? Or odium? (hide spoiler)]
Chapter 9 I (view spoiler)[love syl. She is so fun, messing with rock (hide spoiler)]
Chapter 10 (view spoiler)[wow, shallans past starts with a bang. Her father killed her mother? And the man? Was he her lover? (hide spoiler)]
Chapter 11 (view spoiler)[pattern has a shadow that goes towards the light like jasnah. Shallans shadow behaves normally so... I don't know if it represented something of her order of radiants. That scene with the stick was fun from the outside. Shallan trying to convince a stick to be a flame...hilarious. Though if she has to convince the object to do what she wants, that's difficult as we see with the stick. We again meet our favourite slaver. (hide spoiler)]

[Paula]

Lucija
(view spoiler)[I also don't believe jasnah is dead. Yes, pattern remembers very little. I want him to remember more and get to see a very different type of spren. (hide spoiler)]

[Paula]

Beena
Ch7 (view spoiler)[jasnah! No words really. Yes, I also wanted to see more interactions with her favourite uncle dalinar. I want to know more about pattern. At the moment he talks very little. If he is supposed to be a liarspren he is going to be interesting. (hide spoiler)]

Ch10 (view spoiler)[ agreed on navanis diary. At least the paragraphs at the beginning are more understandable than the ones in way of kings.

It's cool that she tries to convince kaladin to show his abilities . I hope he does. Right now I don't think he'll do it because kaladin doesn't trusts dalinar. Maybe later on. (hide spoiler)]

Ch11(view spoiler)[I was anxious just thinking all of jasnahs research was destroyed. All the information that could help everyone. Thankfully it's safe.

No clue how it's pronounced. I just skip ahead the name when I read it (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Beena wrote: "Chapter 6 & 7 [spoilers removed]

Chapter 8 [spoilers removed]

Chapter 10 I love how wholeheartedly Syl believes in Kaladin, she's so adorable.So it seems she's convincing him to tell Dalinar abo..."

Tuh-vlak-uv

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Chapter 7 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 8 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 9 I [spoilers removed]
Chapter 10 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 11 [spoilers removed]"

Re: Chapter 7: (view spoiler)[Shallan is surprised she never trips over Jasnah's body in the dark, when she returns to her room to find a way to escape... that's the last mention of Jasnah, before Shallan passes out... that's all I'm gonna say :) (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Chapter 7 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 8 [spoilers removed]
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Chapter 10 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 11 [spoilers removed]"

Ch8: (view spoiler)[Navani's diary entries are super ominous... I noticed that more, this time around... especially the one about possible Parshendi moles among the Parshmen (hide spoiler)]

Ch9: Syl is great, Rock is great... more of Bridge 4 get POVs in book 3... it's great :D

ch10: (view spoiler)[Shallan's father is both better and worse than seen here... there's so much going on in Shallan's childhood... pay attention to her half-finished sentences (hide spoiler)]

ch11: (view spoiler)[Shallan isn't very worldly... she struggles to present herself as powerful... she was starting to learn that before Jasnah's incident... so her ability to transform things against their will is a bit lacking... (hide spoiler)]

[Paula]

Iain
(view spoiler)[yes, I also noticed that. Maybe jasnah also has some power of illusion like shallan and somehow survived? Or she heals very quickly like kaladin? So exited to find out (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Lucija
[spoilers removed]"

Syl/Pattern/spren: (view spoiler)[Spren get stronger and more coherent the more their bonded human adheres to the ideals of their Radiant Knight Order / type... Syl is all about honor, so when Kaladin has dishonorable thoughts about lighteyes she weakens and becomes more like a windspren... when Shallan lies to herself about her past, Pattern gets stupid... notice the things Pattern says about Shallan's childhood... (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Beena
Ch7 [spoilers removed]..."

Ch7: Pattern: (view spoiler)[the official term is Cryptic... and while people refer to them as liespren, that's more of a misunderstanding... they're really more truthspren... they are interested in truths, both personal and mathematical... they find lies interestings because they can't lie themselves... cryptic also works, because they like finding patterns in coded messages... cryptography...

Sanderson has said that Cryptics would really like computers, altho be a little miffed that computers didn't talk back to them... (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Iain
[spoilers removed]"

Remind me to link a short story from tor.com, after we finish the book... fills in some spoilery details...

[Lucija]

Timelord Iain wrote: "Paula wrote: "Chapter 7 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 8 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 9 I [spoilers removed]
Chapter 10 [spoilers removed]
Chapter 11 [spoilers removed]"

Re: Chapter 7: [spoilers removed]"

That's what made me think all was not as it seemed. Also, I never believe an important character (view spoiler)[has actually died. It's used so often, it practically lost all meaning. That's why I never have an appropriate emotional response when a character actually dies. I keep expecting they'll turn up sometime, and when they don't, it's already too late to feel sad. (hide spoiler)]

[Lucija]

Chapter 10 RE @Paula (view spoiler)[Uh wow, now I feel like I skimmed this chapter haha now that you mention it I realize I didn't even think of that, I though Shallan did something lol (hide spoiler)]

[Lucija]

Chapter 11 RE @Paula (view spoiler)[Yeees me too haha I was like: Nooo, what about the books?!
And it was funny reading about Stick. He reminded me of Groot (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 12 (view spoiler)[Noo Amaram, ah heck, did not expect that, there's going to be trouble (hide spoiler)]

@Beena, @Paula about Navani's journal (view spoiler)[Yes, I agree with you. Reading Navani's journal at the beginning of each chapter makes me feel dread every time (hide spoiler)]

[Anni]

Beena wrote: "@Anni, Oh that's awesome that they're supporting bookstores! Lol, I have no idea where they are either, I'm guessing in America somewhere? So unlikely that I'd be able to visit..!"

Haha yeah... I guess to travel there would be more expensive than the shipping 🤭

[Anni]

Chapter 7 (view spoiler)[ Lucija wrote: "Also, I never believe an important character has actually died. It's used so often, it practically lost all meaning." (hide spoiler)]

... and then you read a book by Robin Hobb and your heart gets trampled a thousand times 😅

Chalter 8 (view spoiler)[ Beena wrote: "I wonder what the Parshendi are really fighting for.. They're waiting for something by holding their Shardbearer back..."

Yes! They are so mysterious! I really like the way they are described and how they are a big riddle. In book 3 we get a lot more insight in their culture. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 9 Iain wrote: "Syl is great, Rock is great... more of Bridge 4 get POVs in book 3... it's great :D"

Uhm excuse me? You've forgotten The Lopen is great! :D

Chapter 12 agreed! I also love how much Syl trusts Kaladin, I also think her character is a perfect supplement to Kaladin.

[Paula]

Iain

Pattern/syl: I didn't realize that! It makes sense and I'll pay more attention to those moments. Cryptics seem interesting, though all spren are so much more interesting that i thought they would be in way of kings.

I'll remind you when I finish. Thanks :)

[Paula]

Oh, sorry, I messed up with the spoiler tags. I don't think it's very spoilery

[Paula]

Lucija

Ch10(view spoiler)[she did say the end of the world was her fault. I don't know. We will know in the next flashbacks. (hide spoiler)]

(view spoiler)[agreed on the deaths. Unless it's a main character that I'm super attached I usually think the character is going back and I'm not sad. I'm more sad that shallan thinks she is dead. Imagine navani... (hide spoiler)]

[Anni]

Paula wrote: "I didn't realize that!

Haha, that's a constant feeling when you’re reading cosmere books with Iain 😂 He went down the 17th Shard rabbit hole so many times!

Also I think you guys catch a lot of hints already :)

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Sir Anni wrote: "Paula wrote: "I didn't realize that!

Haha, that's a constant feeling when you’re reading cosmere books with Iain 😂 He went down the 17th Shard rabbit hole so many times!

Also I think you guys ca..."

For sure... I see them catching things I've missed, and this is my 3rd or 4th reading...

[Paula]

Haha, thanks. I'm like paying super close attention to every detail so I don't miss everything. But still things get by you. I imagine rereads are super fun trying to see the foreshadowing

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

If you want some hard to pronounce names, you should checkout the humanoid ant-man in the Wandering Inn series... they don't use vowels, and end up with names like Klbkch (Kill-gitch) and Ksmvr (Kiss-imver)

Like I did with Tvlakv, I'm just telling you how the audiobook narrator pronounced it...

@Anni: You should really give Wandering Inn a go, when you have time... the BR didn't work out really, because of the slow start and long length, but it really takes off once it gets going and I loved it... I've listened to the first 2 audiobooks now, and actually started reading the web serial on the website at Soo's encouragement... otherwise I'd have to wait a long while between books, and there's 4.5 books on the serial without audio yet... I'm making time on breaks at work mostly...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Paula wrote: "Haha, thanks. I'm like paying super close attention to every detail so I don't miss everything. But still things get by you. I imagine rereads are super fun trying to see the foreshadowing"

So much foreshadowing... one of my favorites is from Way of Kings, chapter 64 epigraph:

"They come from the pit, two dead men, a heart in their hands, and I know that I have seen true glory." Kakashah 1173, 13 seconds pre-death. A rickshaw puller.

One of those Death Rattles that (view spoiler)[Taravangian is recording (hide spoiler)]

If you don't catch it, I'll point out the scene when we come to it, later in this book :D

[Anni]

Timelord Iain wrote: "If you want some hard to pronounce names, you should checkout the humanoid ant-man in the Wandering Inn series... they don't use vowels, and end up with names like Klbkch (Kill-gitch) and Ksmvr (Ki..."

Ah damn, if you say so I will. I think it just wasn't the right time back then...

[Paula]

That would be great Iain! Now that you mention it I'll pay close attention when something along those lines happens.

[Beena]

Bloody hell, so many comments already! Trying to catch up lol.

[Beena]

@Paula, I actually agree about Jasnah, having read Iain's comment.. (view spoiler)[ She might have created the illusion that she died, but then I don't know how she would have survived the shipwreck.. (hide spoiler)]

About Navani's diary entries (view spoiler)[ It sounds like it's do with the Parshendi having caught them off guard by changing their tactics. Also the Parshmen slaves within their camp turning against them. (hide spoiler)]


@Lucija, about characters dying; I do feel it really strongly if they're characters I love, if I don't, I don't really care lol. I know I wasn't that keen on Jasnah, but I must've liked her more than I thought, I think because she's really strong and intelligent.


Ha, thanks for the pronunciation Iain! Turns out I was saying it right lol. I just take a stab in the dark at the jumbled-up letter names, they turn out different every time I read them haha.

@Iain (view spoiler)[ Shallan isn't very worldly... she struggles to present herself as powerful... she was starting to learn that before Jasnah's incident... so her ability to transform things against their will is a bit lacking...

That's really interesting that her willpower and assertiveness affects her abilities.. (hide spoiler)]


@Anni (view spoiler)[ Beena wrote: "I wonder what the Parshendi are really fighting for.. They're waiting for something by holding their Shardbearer back..."

Yes! They are so mysterious! I really like the way they are described and how they are a big riddle. In book 3 we get a lot more insight in their culture.

Oohhh, interesting!

I also love how much Syl trusts Kaladin, I also think her character is a perfect supplement to Kaladin.

That's so true, she's a good counter-balance to him. (hide spoiler)]


@Paula, though all spren are so much more interesting that i thought they would be in way of kings.

That's what I was thinking too! They're so commonplace in WoK and you're thinking they're just something that will blend into the background (but it did strike me as odd that there were so many, now we know why lol) and now they turn out to be a central part of the story.


Haha, that's a constant feeling when you’re reading cosmere books with Iain 😂 He went down the 17th Shard rabbit hole so many times!

Pahaha! It certainly seems like it!!

[Beena]

Interludes

Eshonai (view spoiler)[ That was fascinating! So she's the one that was fighting Dalinar! And they did indeed kill Gavilar too.

But they're trying to stop something - possibly the Everstorm that Dalinar keeps getting warned about? That's why she wants to speak with him/work with him? So the Parshendi can't really be the true threat... (Just speculating here; Maybe the Parshendi weren't the true cause of the desolations, maybe they were fighting against something else? Something that the Knights Radiant realised and that's why they walked away?)

And she's talking about not wanting their Gods to return.. (could that be the Heralds?)

Now her sister has discovered a form for them to be able to use Stormlight! (hide spoiler)]

Ym (view spoiler)[ A stormlight user that can heal- interesting! (hide spoiler)]

The Last Legion (view spoiler)[ Really interesting, I can't wait to learn more about the Parshendi, they have a really unique and fascinating culture. Find it so interesting the way that they're all able to attune to the same songs and can change forms. (hide spoiler)]

I'm into Part 2 now, I'm loving it, all I want to do is read! Stoked that we get Kaladin and Adolin in this part! And I have to admit, Shallan's chapters have really picked up, they're much more interesting now that she's forced into action and she has a spren to deal with too.
(view spoiler)[ Was really desperate to see if there was a confrontation between Kaladin and Amaram, but nothing yet. Maybe Amaram doesn't even remember him because he's just another darkeyes but you'd think he'd at least remember the guy he fucked over for a Shardblade.. (hide spoiler)]

[Anni]

I also just finished the interludes :) I really like them because they add so much to the story. I can remember that I liked them when I first read the books, but also found them a bit confusing!

Eshonai (view spoiler)[ Oh, I thought we would see more of the Parshendi much later 😅 But here we are :) I think it's also interesting that the Parshendi have a shardplate. How did they get it? And where are they from anyway? (hide spoiler)]

Ym (view spoiler)[ His part makes me sad everytime I think about it. He (and Tien) could have been such interesting characters... :( I really like the way he overcome his own darkness and is doing good now (hide spoiler)]

Rysn (view spoiler)[ Great interlude! I'm so happy we'll see more of her story in Dawnshard! :) (hide spoiler)]