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Fight the Powers: What the Bible Says About the Relationship Between Spiritual Forces and Human Governments
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Steve
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Aug 10, 2018 05:59PM
Again that was directed at you Robert
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Robert wrote: "FACT - I asked... "Yup. It's a fact you asked. I asked you to explain it to us.
"FACT - I said there is no need for my opinion, it has been DECLARED in the Bible."
Nope, that's not what you said. What you did say was:
"No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... "
I didn't ask for your opinion, and you didn't say "there is no need for my opinion"
FACT. Here's the proof: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And I then pointed out that you ask of others not only what you will not do yourself (which is true), but what you further stated there was "no need" to do.
"FACT you still have NOT answered my question... "
Steve answered it. Is your memory that freaking short? Obviously you cannot remember what others have said, or even what you yourself have said. Even just recently. You should have that checked out, it could be a serious medical condition.
According to you there is no need to answer, it's in the Bible, go read it.
If I have to continue to explain current conversations and recent posts to you over and over you'll need to put me on your payroll.
I accept Paypal.
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My response: Apparently another LIE !
You apologized... and then you continue to do that which you allege you are sorry for?
Watch folks... somehow, she will twist this to be my fault! LOL!!!!
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Again, I know... but it was so appropriate for the ad hominem and name calling attacks from Alexandra towards people who disagree with her and stand up to her.
Oh boo. Go be butt hurt somewhere else on the Internet...
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My response: MORE LIES !
You asked for my opinion to explain the Gospel... and there is no need... it is DECLARED in the Bible.
The apparent FACT that you DON'T KNOW the Gospel... explains a LOT!
Robert wrote: " ANOTHER LIE!YOU said I would accuse you... I NEVER said any such thing...
NEVER
said any..."
Sigh. You really are slow on the uptake aren't you? I didn't say you would accuse me. What I did say was:
"Next he'll probably accuse me of being a lesbian because I don't swoon when he speaks."
Which to normal people reading it is obviously a joke, not a claim of fact.
However, your response was simply that you weren't sure I was a woman, as if that were the reason you were refraining from accusing me of being a lesbian. Which, to people who aren't YOU, is funny.
Because, if you were a reasonable person you wouldn't accuse me of being a lesbian because you've no reason to think I am. Regardless of your having proof of my gender.
You truly need to grow a sense of humor.
Robert wrote: "You accurately quoted me saying: "No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... you should read it some time. ""Precisely :D
"For those who can comprehend English, where did I say that I would NOT give my explanation of what the Gospel is?
I did NOT say such. I said my explanation is not needed, since it is clearly DECLARED in the Bible. "
You've just contradicted yourself and probably don't even know it lol.
Robert wrote: "You apologized... and then you continue to do that which you allege you are sorry for?Watch folks... somehow, she will twist this to be my fault! LOL!!!! "
Hilarious!
Robert wrote: "but it was so appropriate for the ad hominem and name calling attacks from Alexandra towards people who disagree with her and stand up to her. "So, again, you are stating you do not affirm the essential doctrines of Christianity?
I'm truly curious. Please let us know which you do not affirm.
Robert wrote: "You asked for my opinion to explain the Gospel..."No, Robert I did NOT ask for your OPINION. I've proved that. Everyone but YOU knows it.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
In fact I don't believe I've ever once asked for your opinion on anything.
Steve wrote: "Oh boo. Go be butt hurt somewhere else on the Internet..."Really.
I have to say, years ago I used to debate theology with a Muslim in Egypt, who was particularly hostile to Christians and most especially to women. So, I got the double-wammy of his contempt.
And he was more pleasant to try to communicate with than Robert. At least that guy had a sense of humor, although it wasn't a nice one. And he could actually follow the conversation without forgetting who said what.
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No matter how many times you deny it
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You can not even tell us the Gospel
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Robert wrote: "Yes you asked for my opinion."NO Robert, I did NOT ask for your OPINION.
So, there ya go, for the third time in two days I have proven you are a LIAR, for claiming I have said something I DID NOT SAY.
Here we go again:
Robert wrote: " I assume you do NOT KNOW IT?"
I'm sure you do assume that. Let's see you explain it.
See there, Robert? You know what that is? That is me asking you to explain the Gospel, NOT give me your OPINION of the Gospel.
Let me be clear - the word OPINION is not there. It is not IMPLIED. I did not ask for your OPINION.
PROOF: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Your response:
"No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... you should read it some time."
You did not say there was no need for you to give your OPINION.
PROOF:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
The utter gall of you even thinking for a tiny fraction of a second that I would want your opinion about anything when at this point I just about think you must be the most mentally defective person on the entire planet is simply flabbergasting.
I know two year olds who are more mature than you are, and much less crybabies. And probably smarter.
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My response: considering the source... uh, did you say something?
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My response: Apparently another LIE !
You apologized... and then you continue to do that which you allege you are sorry for?
Watch folks... somehow, she will twist this to be my fault! LOL!!!!
Well it is you fault Robert. The horse is well and dead, yet you persist in beating it.
Robert wrote: "Yes you did... "No Robert, I did NOT. I've proved that now, repeatedly.
"Anyone can scroll up and read what you wrote"
Yes they can, not that they'll need to I'm sure because they will actually be able to read. Additionally I've provided a link (unlike you).
Steve wrote: "Well it is you fault Robert. The horse is well and dead, yet you persist in beating it."Got that right. He kills pretty much every discussion he participates in.
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* Compare people to Hitler
* Apologize for derailing a thread
* Continue to keep the thread off track
* Lie about a person
* Keep lying
* Get caught and exposed lying
* Justify her lies
* Keep lying some more
* Use vulgarities in her posts
Roberts methodsLie
Lie
Misquote sacred scripture
Lie
Accuse
Imply
Mock
Lie
Lie
Fabricate
Lie
Lie some more...
Robert wrote: "Yes you did...."No Robert, I did NOT. I've proved that now, repeatedly.
"...and anyone can read your posts"
Yes they can, additionally I've provided a link (unlike you).
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I challenge you to quote one verse I used out of context
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Only in her self justified mind
Steve wrote: "Roberts methodsLie
Lie
Misquote sacred scripture
Lie
Accuse
Imply
Mock
Lie
Lie
Fabricate
Lie
Lie some more..."
You know who Robert reminds me of? A Mormon that was a regular on a discussion board where several of us Christians debated Mormon theology.
This Mormon derailed every thread on the board onto his pet topic - claiming the Bible says salvation requires works. Then, he refused to actually discuss the topic, he would just rip passages out of the Bible and post them over and over and over and over. Completely ignoring all refutations, all presentations of other passages, all explanations regarding Grace vs. Works. Then he'd claim over and over how we were ignoring what Scripture said, etc. It was constant and relentless, and he ruined each and every other thread making it impossible to discuss any other topic, while refusing to actually discuss that one.
He single-handedly made that discussion board pretty much useless to anyone, definitely not for discussing Mormonism. Which I think was his true goal. Mormons had been trying hard to silence the Christians there and get that board shut down. He pretty much succeeded.
Perhaps that's what Robert wants, to silence everyone else and chase everyone away, so he can post his stuff without anyone asking questions or trying to engage with him.
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You have been asked... And you cannot answer
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Apologized for doing so... And continue your antics
You have proved to be a feckless moron...
Robert wrote: "You can't debate Mormons... "Just goes to show what you know, as I did just that for many, many years. I debated Muslims too. And Atheists. And Jehovah's Witnesses. As well as other non-Christians. With a group of really awesome Christians.
"You don't even know the Gospel"
Correction, you assume I don't know the Gospel.
You have been asked... And you cannot answer"
Correction, I did not answer. Neither did you.
So, by your standard that means you don't know the Gospel.
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Robert demands respect. Perhaps a previous generation would offer it to him. But that’s not the way the world works now. Respect is earned, my friend. If you feel you have things of value to offer, prove it by your conduct...
Steve wrote: "Robert demands respect. Perhaps a previous generation would offer it to him. But that’s not the way the world works now. Respect is earned, my friend. If you feel you have things of value to offer,..."I treated him with respect until he demonstrated he had none for others, and of course the intentional and flagrant use of dishonest and deceitful tactics is something no true Christian would respect.
And that's not even getting into the complete inability to explain or discuss his beliefs in any sort of consistent and coherent manner.
His knowledge and understanding seem extremely limited, although that may be due to his issues with communication.
More concerning is the fact that he apparently doesn't feel any of the instruction regarding Christian behavior, morality, ethics, etc., actually apply to him. Including those regarding men in Christian leadership.
If he were under proper Christian authority he'd have been counseled and corrected long before now, if not booted from the ministry altogether. Which is why I think it's likely his ministry is a one man show.
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The only ones she treats with respect are those who support her position
Ask the guy she compared to Hitler
You have. By your tone of conversation. Imperious. Demanding. Righteous. Large and in change. Overbearing. In all caps. In bold. In lies.
Robert wrote: "The only ones she treats with respect are those who support her position"It's sad the irony of that accusation escapes you.
What is my position, Robert? I'll tell ya (again). I affirm the essential doctrines of Christianity.
So, you are, yet again, stating you yourself do not affirm the essential doctrines of Christianity?
Fine. Tell us which you do not affirm.
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Robert wrote: "More lies... I have not... Quote me"Is a question mark another item of English you do not understand? Ok, I'll add that to the list.
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...and has no qualms about using vulgarity
... and will quickly and repeatedly lie
Robert wrote: "Alexandra your position is one that compares others with Hitler......and has no qualms about using vulgarity
... and will quickly and repeatedly lie"
Those are certainly your erroneous accusations against me, but that's not a position.
So, "position" is another English word you use but don't actually understand. Got it.
I treat people with respect until/unless they demonstrate to me they are not worthy of respect. You are most certainly on that list.
So, either live with it or correct your own behavior.
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Not the way she would like to be treated
Most likely she has not read this in the Bible
Robert wrote: "Another ungodly practice... Alexandra treats people the way she thinks they treat herNot the way she would like to be treated
Most likely she has not read this in the Bible"
Robert, stop. You just broke my new irony meter. The one I got to replace the other one you broke.
Even funnier, you just condemned yourself for being "ungodly" :D
And, I'd bet you don't even realize it hahahahahaha
