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Fight the Powers: What the Bible Says About the Relationship Between Spiritual Forces and Human Governments
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Aug 10, 2018 12:29PM
I have Christ. What Spirit possesses you?
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Robert wrote: "My response: Of course you HAD to stop at 14 posts... on the post prior to that I QUOTED more than a DOZEN Bible verses! "Your own criteria, of which you just condemned yourself, was :
Robert wrote: "In the last 13 or so posts you have quoted ZERO (0) Scriptures... yet you claim to affirm essential Christian doctrines????? LOL!!!! "
Not my fault you didn't pay attention to the mud you slung to make sure it didn't apply to yourself before trying to smear me with it.
Steve wrote: "I have Christ. What Spirit possesses you?"See if this rings any bells:
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.
Matthew 7
On Christ the solid rock I stand. All other ground is sinking sand.
And yes I may have been a bit harsh. But false teachers and wolves are exactly the kind of people Christ opposed in his ministry...
Another good one:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:23-25
Steve wrote: "And yes I may have been a bit harsh. But false teachers and wolves are exactly the kind of people Christ opposed in his ministry..."Sometimes a strategic 2x4 is called for. Just my opinion, of course :D
My post wasn't directed at you, just in addition to yours, in case that was unclear. We're on the same page on that topic :D
No worries. I’m tired of the dogmatic combative nature of the individuals posts. He is acting a lot like a spoiled bratty fourteen year old...
As well, I feel like wisdom is submission to correction. There was truth in what you said for where my heart was at in the moment.
Steve wrote: "No worries. I’m tired of the dogmatic combative nature of the individuals posts. He is acting a lot like a spoiled bratty fourteen year old..."He certainly has a lot to learn.
Steve wrote: "As well, I feel like wisdom is submission to correction. There was truth in what you said for where my heart was at in the moment."
Understood :D
Christian leaders are to have the heart of a servant, not an tyrant.
Boom. I’m probably wrong somewhere. If not in the truth than in my motivation and delivery of it.
Steve wrote: "Boom. I’m probably wrong somewhere. If not in the truth than in my motivation and delivery of it."We're all imperfect. Some of us even acknowledge that ;)
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My response: I received Christ as my Savior according to His glorious Gospel.
Do you know the Gospel? What is it?
Robert wrote: "Do you know the Gospel? What is it? "You tell us, Robert.
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Alexandra wrote: "Not my fault you didn't pay attention to the mud you slung..."
My response: Quoting the Bible is "mud slinging" according to Alexandra...
...not surprising from someone CAUGHT LYING and then JUSTIFIES her LIES!
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“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and wit..."
My response: FINALLY quoted Scripture. it is about time.
I love EVERY one of those Bible verses.
The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, the Gospel According to Saint Mark, the Gospel According to Saint Luke and the Gospel According to Saint John....
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My response: That is why I have OPPOSED YOU. You have stood AGAINST Jesus and His truth.
What is the Gospel message Steve? Do you know it?
Robert wrote: "Quoting the Bible is "mud slinging" according to Alexandra..."Oh sheesh Robert, you will never learn. No, I did not say quoting the Bible is mud slinging. Which everyone reading this thread who has at least two brain cells to rub together already know.
You truly need to stop claiming people said something they did not say. I already busted you on that yesterday, and here you go again.
You stated:
In the last 13 or so posts you have quoted ZERO (0) Scriptures... yet you claim to affirm essential Christian doctrines????? LOL!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I pointed out:
In the last 14 posts you have quoted zero Scriptures ;)
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
You then stated:
"Of course you HAD to stop at 14 posts... on the post prior to that I QUOTED more than a DOZEN Bible verses! "
To which I then reminded you,
"Your own criteria, of which you just condemned yourself, was :
Robert wrote: "In the last 13 or so posts you have quoted ZERO (0) Scriptures... yet you claim to affirm essential Christian doctrines????? LOL!!!! "
Not my fault you didn't pay attention to the mud you slung to make sure it didn't apply to yourself before trying to smear me with it.
The MUD you slug at me was....what, Robert? Quoting Bible verses? Nope. It was....wait for it... accusing me of not affirming the essential doctrines because I'd not quoted Scripture in the last "13 or so" posts, when you yourself hadn't quoted Scripture in the last 14.
So, according to you you yourself do not affirm the essential doctrines of Christianity because you did not meet your criteria for it.
Please do try to follow the actual conversation, and refrain from claiming I've said things I have not said. It is beyond tiresome. From now on please provide the exact and accurate quote as well as a link back to the post you are quoting.
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23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the ..."
My response: AMEN and AMEN!
I love the Word of God.
Alexandra's eisegetical opinions of what she THINKS it means, is another story. The Bible does NOT endorse LYING or LIARS.
Robert wrote: "What is the Gospel message Steve? Do you know it? ."We're waiting for you to explain it to us, Robert.
Robert wrote: "I love EVERY one of those Bible verses. ."You love using them to bash others with, but clearly consider yourself exempt.
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We're waiting for you to explain it to us, Robert."
Sorry, I asked first. I assume you do NOT KNOW IT?
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You love using them to bash others with, but clearly consider yourself exempt."
My response: It appears that YOU chose those verses in a FAILED attempt to BASH me.
At least you have not compared me to Hitler , like you did to poor Joel
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My response: Is that what the post-resurrection evangelists preached to unsaved sinners?
Presumably you don't know the message, correct?
Robert wrote: " I assume you do NOT KNOW IT?I'm sure you do assume that. Let's see you explain it.
If you mean the standard fundamentalist gospel, no that’s not it. It’s the life death and resurrection of Christ. 1 When I first came to you, dear brothers and sisters,a I didn’t use lofty words and impressive wisdom to tell you God’s secret plan.b 2 For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness—timid and trembling. 4 And my message and my preaching were very plain. Rather than using clever and persuasive speeches, I relied only on the power of the Holy Spirit. 5I did this so you would trust not in human wisdom but in the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2
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I'm sure you do assume that. Let's see you explain it."
My response: No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... you should read it some time.
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1 When I first came to you, dear brothers and sisters,a I didn’t use lofty words ..."
My response: If I understand you correctly... it looks like you got it! Great!
Robert wrote: "No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... "So, you ask others to answer, but then claim there's "no need" to answer.
Yet again we see you demand of others what you refuse to do yourself.
Robert wrote: "What is the Gospel message Steve? Do you know it?"
We're waiting for you to explain it to us, Robert.
Robert wrote: "No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... "
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So, you ask others to answer, but then claim there's "no need" to answer...."
My response: YEP! I asked FIRST and you REFUSED to answer and instead DEMAND and answer from me.
You are just like ALL LIBERALS... you project onto others that which YOU are guilty of.
I love how cute it is that you think that’s an insult....
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My response: Not intended as an insult... just an observation of FACT.
I asked first... she refused to answer... she demands me to answer... she projects her refusal to answer onto me...
ALL FACTS. If being liberal is an insult to you or a badge of honor, it does not change the FACTS.
Steve wrote: "I love how cute it is that you think that’s an insult...."It is hilarious. As is the fact that he accuses me of being a liberal, based upon nothing other than the fact that he clearly dislikes me. ;)
Next he'll probably accuse me of being a lesbian because I don't swoon when he speaks.
The projection accusation is the funniest. Poor Robert is completely devoid of self-awareness.
Robert wrote: "just an observation of FACT."Oh, do tell, Robert, how exactly did you "observe" the "fact" that I'm a liberal?
"If being liberal is an insult to you or a badge of honor, it does not change the FACTS."
And yet, it's not a fact, it's your unsubstantiated claim it's a fact, which is quite a different matter altogether.
Regardless, the fact remains, you demanded we tell you what the Gospel is, and yet when asked you stated there was no need to explain it.
So, not only did you ask of others what you refuse to do yourself, you asked of others what you state there is "no need" to do.
You should be grateful Steve deemed to actually answer you, even though, according to you, there was "no need".
Personally, both conservative and liberal ideals are troubling. But I refuse to hate or divide along the lines of the kingdom of this world. We live in the Kingdom of our Lord, and those ways of trivializing and otherizing people is not in step with that Kingdom...
Steve wrote: "Personally, both conservative and liberal ideals are troubling. But I refuse to hate or divide along the lines of the kingdom of this world. We live in the Kingdom of our Lord, and those ways of tr..."Additionally it's typically unwise to throw "all" of anything into one lump. Making absolute claims typically is folly. According to Robert all liberals project onto others what they are guilty of.
Certainly many liberals do do that. Every single one of them? Highly unlikely. Not to mention many non-liberals do it as well.
Robert himself is proof of that.
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My response: NOT based on nothing... based on the FACT that, like liberals, you project onto me that which YOU are guilty of...
FACTS - I asked first... she refused to answer... she demands me to answer... she projects her refusal to answer onto me...
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My response: I don't even know if you are a woman??? Your profile is private so that you can hide who you are.
If I compared people to Hitler and called people liars (when they have been proven to be telling the truth)…
I would probably hide too.
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My response: ANOTHER LIE! I did not refuse to state the Gospel as declared in the Bible...
...I am just giving people a chance to share what they think it is... IF THEY KNOW.
Well, you seem to be screaming about lies a lot.... a highmark of Nazism...
Robert wrote: "NOT based on nothing... based on the FACT that, like liberals, you project onto me that which YOU are guilty of..."The fact that you think that of "all liberals" and the fact that you accuse me of it, isn't proof I am a liberal, nor is it a legitimate "observation" of a "fact", as you claimed.
That's like saying, "All elephants are grey, you're grey, therefore you are an elephant".
Well, other than the fact that not all liberals are guilty of projection, many non-liberals are guilty of projection, and I've not been projecting. ;)
So, yet again we see you make a false accusation about me based upon nothing but your own delusions.
Even funnier is the fact that you yourself project onto others what you are guilty of, which, by your standards makes it a "fact" that you are a liberal.
"FACTS - I asked first... she refused to answer... she demands me to answer... she projects her refusal to answer onto me... "
Um, no, not really. It's a fact you asked. I asked you to explain it to us. You stated there was "no need" to do so since:
""No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... "
And I then pointed out that you ask of others not only what you will not do yourself (which is true), but what you further stated there was "no need" to do.
Robert wrote: "I don't even know if you are a woman??? Your profile is private so that you can hide who you are."So, you're only not accusing me of being a lesbian because you're not sure I'm a woman? LOL
And yet somehow you've convinced yourself that you "know" I'm a liberal.
Most likely because you dislike liberals and you dislike me, therefore by Robert-"logic" I must be a liberal.
"If I compared people to Hitler and called people liars (when they have been proven to be telling the truth)…
I would probably hide too. "
Well, you've got half of that down. ;)
But, go ahead and disparage me for protecting my personal safety on the internet.
Robert wrote: "I did not refuse to state the Gospel as declared in the Bible..."Yes, you did. And you went even further to state there was "no need" to do so.
Proof:
Robert wrote: " I assume you do NOT KNOW IT?
I'm sure you do assume that. Let's see you explain it.
Robert wrote: "No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... you should read it some time. "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
If I have to continue to explain current conversations and recent posts to you over and over you'll need to put me on your payroll.
I accept Paypal.
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You are correct. Alexandra needs to REPENT from the LIES she has been CAUGHT in... and then JUSTIFIED.
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My response: FACT - I asked... FACT - you refused to answer - FACT - you demanded I answer - FACT - I said there is no need for my opinion, it has been DECLARED in the Bible.
FACT you still have NOT answered my question...
...does that mean you HAVE NO IDEA what the Gospel is?
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My response: ANOTHER LIE!
YOU said I would accuse you... I NEVER said any such thing...
... but you are very comfortable LYING about me... you have already JUSTIFIED your LIES
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My response: NO disparaging... just observing FACTS.
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Proof:..."
My response: YET ANOTHER LIE ! And again you have exposed yourself.
You accurately quoted me saying: "No need... it is DECLARED in the Bible... you should read it some time. "
For those who can comprehend English, where did I say that I would NOT give my explanation of what the Gospel is?
I did NOT say such. I said my explanation is not needed, since it is clearly DECLARED in the Bible.
