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Rod
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Aug 09, 2018 02:05PM
Robert, we would love to meet someone else from your ministry - please bring them over to show us how living you are.
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Rod wrote: "Robert, we would love to meet someone else from your ministry - please bring them over to show us how living you are."I also would very much enjoy that, if there are any. I suspect his "ministry" may be a one-man show.
Hopefully he doesn't have one of those dotting cult wives. I'm pretty sure he has no serious followers... or he wouldn't waste so much time here.
I only chat here when I'm bored at work.
I just am wondering where Robert found a million people willing to put up with his pretentious BS...
Rod wrote: "Hopefully he doesn't have one of those dotting cult wives. I'm pretty sure he has no serious followers... or he wouldn't waste so much time here."
If he had an actual ministry he wouldn't waste so much time here arrogantly bashing fellow Christians in the head with the Bible simply because we actually think he should be able to dialog like a normal human being.
I can't think of a legitimate ministry that focuses on arguing with fellow Christians who affirm essential Christian doctrine and being so hateful about it.
Now, if he were fellowshipping here, or having reasoned discussions on some non-essentials, sure, but what he's doing? Nah, no legitimate ministry would be involved in that.
What's truly sad is how he treats people who simply want to be able to understand his position and make sense of it, because any reasonable questions cause him to blow a gasket.
Don't expect him to explain, doesn't matter if you understand, or it makes sense, don't ask clarifying questions, don't try to clear up any misunderstandings, just agree with Robert or suffer his wrath.
Steve wrote: "I just am wondering where Robert found a million people willing to put up with his pretentious BS..."Does he claim that? Hahahahahahahaha
Rod wrote: "So the elect are those people who choose their own salvation? You don't see a problem with that? "It doesn't make sense within his own assertions, for he asserts " the Gospel of Jesus Christ powerful enough to save the non-elect"
So, according to Robert, the non-elect can be saved, which would mean the elect are not those who are saved.
Sometimes I feel like we're 5th graders making fun of the naked mentally challenged boy with no pants. But he keeps insisting his momma gave him magic invisible pants. So it's okay.
Rod wrote: "Sometimes I feel like we're 5th graders making fun of the naked mentally challenged boy with no pants. But he keeps insisting his momma gave him magic invisible pants. So it's okay."Agreed.
Plus, he claims to not only be a Christian, but head of a Christian ministry, and as such he should be held to a higher standard, IMO.
And because of that he should be challenged by Christians and held accountable.
The fact that he's not able to explain himself in a reasonable and coherent manner, participate in a honest dialog, address questions directly and honestly, not to mention his behavior, is a complete disgrace. As this is how he treats Christians I really shudder to think of how he'd behave toward non-Christians.
I do often feel I'm in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. But hey, he starts it ;)
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My response: I have provided many...
But again, you DIVERT attention from the FACT that you repeatedly called me a LIAR when I was telling the TRUTH...
...and then you JUSTIFIED your LYING...
Who is the elect and who is the non-elect, Robert? And how exactly are they different?I already know you assert that the non-elect can be saved:
"The Bible says that the offer of salvation is for ALL..."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"NOWHERE does God say that the Gospel is His POWER unto salvation ONLY FOR THE ELECT."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Some say that the non-elect cannot be brought to life by God's POWER unto salvation."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"How is it a legitimate offer of salvation if God has predestined most into hell? "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ powerful enough to save the non-elect? Or is it too weak to save them? "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ too weak to save those non-elect?"
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
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My response: More PROOF that you REJECT God's clear Word... I did NOT say it... I just QUOTE it...
John 12:32 - "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME."
Titus 2:11 - "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,"
Romans 10:13 - "For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 1:16 - "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the POWER of God unto SALVATION to EVERY ONE that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 12:3- "...but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to EVERY MAN the measure of FAITH."
Colossians 1:20 - "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things IN EARTH, or things IN HEAVEN."
1 John 2:2 - "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but ALSO for the SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD."
Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have MERCY UPON ALL."
2 Corinthians 5:19 - "To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
John 1:29 - "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which TAKETH AWAY the SIN OF THE WORLD."
MarK 16:15 - "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE."
1 Timothy 2:4 - "Who WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
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My response: LOL!!!! Quote me EVER saying a million !
By the way, would Jesus talk like you? Even though you did not say the word, everyone knows what your two letters stands for.
Is that Christ-like?
Robert wrote: "Is that Christ-like? ."It's certainly more Christ-like than your behavior ;)
Need to take the log out of your own eye, Robert.
As I said, you strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel.
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My response: So you advocate for situational ethics?
This is why you can LIE repeatedly... get CAUGHT LYING... and JUSTIFY your LYING...
Robert wrote: "So you advocate for situational ethics?"Ah, projection. What a surprise.
"This is why you can LIE repeatedly... get CAUGHT LYING... and JUSTIFY your LYING... "
That's YOU Robert, which I just proved yet again today. Give it up, all you're doing is continuing to prove over and over you're a hypocrite as well as a liar.
Better to do something more productive:
Who is the elect and who is the non-elect, Robert? And how exactly are they different?
I already know you assert that the non-elect can be saved:
"The Bible says that the offer of salvation is for ALL..."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"NOWHERE does God say that the Gospel is His POWER unto salvation ONLY FOR THE ELECT."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Some say that the non-elect cannot be brought to life by God's POWER unto salvation."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"How is it a legitimate offer of salvation if God has predestined most into hell? "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ powerful enough to save the non-elect? Or is it too weak to save them? "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
"Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ too weak to save those non-elect?"
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
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My response: More attention DIVERSION...
Hypocrite and LIAR is you.
You repeatedly called me a LIAR... you were CAUGHT LYING... then you JUSTIFIED YOUR LIES.
Robert wrote: "Hypocrite and LIAR is you.You repeatedly called me a LIAR... you were CAUGHT LYING... then you JUSTIFIED YOUR LIES. "
You ARE a liar Robert, that is a proven FACT.
I did not lie, nor did I justify lying. Those are YOUR lies about me. I just proved again today you are a LIAR. And you still refuse to STOP lying.
And I am sick to death of how you treat people, your utter deception, and your flagrant disregard for any reasonable behavior. And then, as the hypocrite you are, chastise someone for not being "Christ-like" for saying "BS". Your lack of self-awareness is mind-boggling.
You think you're so superior and self-righteous because while you flagrantly violate at least one of the 10 Commandments consistently and habitually, you're not only too prissy to tolerate the term bullshit, you chastise someone for it as not being "Christ-like"? Meanwhile you ignore the forest of redwoods stuck in your own eye.
You are truly unbelievable. I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you're not simply a troll here to pretend to be a Christian in order to make Christians look bad.
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My response: NOPE! That is YOUR OPINION!
You DID LIE!
You repeatedly and FALSELY claimed that I did NOT start the other thread with two questions... you CALLED ME A LIAR (repeatedly)…
...and you were busted!
Another member pointed out the FACT that what you called me a LIAR about was in FACT the TRUTH...
And you are far too ARROGANT to admit it and apologize for calling me a LIAR.
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My response: The LIES and SELF-JUSTIFICATION just keep on flowing.
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On this thread (at the link below) in message 147, is one of the places that you called me a LIAR...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Robert wrote: "You DID LIE!"No Robert, I did not. You have been accusing me repeatedly of lying, but that is your false accusation.
"You repeatedly and FALSELY claimed that I did NOT start the other thread with two questions... "
I stated the OP which you posted didn't contain any questions, because I missed the fact that you put your questions in the thread title.
Stating something that isn't correct isn't automatically a lie Robert, I've already explained this to you multiple times. You want it to be a lie, but it wasn't, it was an error which I corrected once you finally, although hatefully, explained the questions were in the thread title. That is not a lie.
You really and truly need to learn the meaning of common English words.
A reasonable person would understand I simply missed seeing the questions, most especially once I stated I had missed seeing the questions, but you desperately want to accuse me of lying. Because you're not a reasonable person.
"And you are far too ARROGANT to admit it and apologize for calling me a LIAR."
We've already gone over that multiple times as well. You flipping ARE a liar Robert. That is demonstrably true. It's a proven fact. I'm certainly not too "arrogant" to admit I've called you a liar. I've acknowledged that today repeatedly. YES, I've called you a liar, because you are a liar. And now you're accusing me of being "too arrogant" to admit I've called you a liar, in spite of the fact that I have repeatedly stated I have today multiple times? Are you truly and sincerely that stupid?
There is no reason in the world for me to apologize for STATING THE FACT that YOU ARE A LIAR. If that hurts your tender little feelings then the wisest course of action would be to STOP LYING.
Where is YOUR apology for YOUR lies that YOU have been caught in OVER AND OVER AND OVER you freaking hypocrite?
Yeah, you self-righteous prick. That's right, you insist others do what you refuse to do yourself. Then you keep bashing at them over and over and over, while continuing to do it YOURSELF without any remorse, admission of wrong doing, repentance, or simply just correcting your own behavior. You clearly think lying is perfectly fine because you won't stop doing it yourself.
And then, just as the icing on the cake, you chastise someone for saying "BS". Cuz apparently lying about people is perfectly fine for you, treating people like something you scraped off the bottom of your shoe is acceptable, treating Christians with complete contempt is fine and dandy, but saying "BS" is crossing the line for you *roll eyes*.
I WOULD have apologized for my mistake in not seeing your QUESTIONS, but I've explained about 50 times now why I didn't feel like it, and still don't, because of your nasty, ugly behavior when you could have, and should have, simply pointed out where your questions where.
"On this thread (at the link below) in message 147, is one of the places that you called me a LIAR..."
YES I did. Never said I didn't. I've said you're a liar many, many, many, many times, because YOU ARE A FREAKING LIAR.
What I did NOT say, that you claimed I said, and that you were challenged to provide a link to to back up, which you cannot because I didn't say it, and your claim I did was yet another of your LIES was this in post #97:
"The Bible says that the offer of salvation is for ALL and you say NOPE... JUST FOR THE ELECT."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I challenged you in post #99 to provide a link to the post where I said that.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And although you've yet to do so (because you can't, because I didn't say that), you're now claiming in post #125 that you'd already provided this link:
"My response: no need to wait... I already posted it. Probably like most of my posts... you didn't read it. "
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
When the link you provided was to a post where (surprise, surprise) I didn't say anything whatsoever about the topic of salvation and/or election.
Now, do we have that straight?
Good.
Now, either try to discuss something that's actually ON TOPIC or buzz off, because I'm done playing your sick and twisted little game.
Robert, just once, I'd like to see you make some friends. Yes, even with people who disagree with you.
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No Robert, I did not. You have been accusing me repeatedly of lying, but that is your false accusation..."
My response: Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
You LIED about me... you got CAUGHT in your LIE... you are TOO ARROGANT to admit it and apologize.
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My response: Calling me a LIAR because of YOUR mis-understanding of how these threads work... and then JUSTIFYING your LIES after being proven wrong...
IS LYING.
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In message 11: She told Joel that " Hitler would have loved " him. Here is the quote...
" Hitler would have loved you , the Jews, the disabled, the Gypsies, etc., not so much."
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In another thread she called me a LIAR all the while I was consistently telling the truth. On this thread (at the link below) in message 147, is one of the places that you called me a LIAR...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
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I wonder what would happen to someone else who disagrees and stands up against her and see who she might compare them to .
Are you fourteen, Robert? It seems like it.
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14? Lets see... she compared another guy to "Hitler"... she lied repeatedly about me... she is too arrogant to repent...
And you ask if I am 14? about says it all!
Cody, I apologize for the unpleasant sidetrack here on your thread. I hope you'll pop back in and continue your discussion.
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You should also apologize to Joel for comparing him to Hitler
Robert wrote: "You should also apologize to Joel for comparing him to Hitler "I didn't compare Joel to Hitler, you just think I did because of your obvious problems comprehending English.
And you should apologize for lying about people and treating them like shit, but, you won't.
We all have to live with little disappointments in life, you'll get over it.
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That's how you operate
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You always try to get out of it by blaming someone else's comprehension.
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My response: Nice mouth... Do you worship God with those types of words
Robert wrote: "Here is the way Alexandra operates... disagree with her and stand up to her... she attacks! "If you disagree with me that means you do not affirm all essential doctrines of Christianity, as that is all I have asserted regarding my own beliefs.
So, tell me Robert, which essential doctrine(s) of Christianity do you not affirm?
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My response: Thank you for affirming your complete ARROGANCE !
No wonder you are far too proud to repent when caught lying about me.
In the last 13 or so posts you have quoted ZERO (0) Scriptures... yet you claim to affirm essential Christian doctrines????? LOL!!!!
Robert wrote: "In the last 13 or so posts you have quoted ZERO (0) Scriptures... yet you claim to affirm essential Christian doctrines????? LOL!!!! "In the last 14 posts you have quoted zero Scriptures ;)
Wow Robert, it's like all your giving us is your opinion.
Well, it seems that Robert is a black pit of venom. Until the Live of Christ softens his hard and flintlike heart, we can’t really expect to be decent. Or even act like Christ.
Steve wrote: "Well, it seems that Robert is a black pit of venom. Until the Live of Christ softens his hard and flintlike heart, we can’t really expect to be decent. Or even act like Christ."At this point I think it's most likely he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. But other alternative explanations are also possible ;)
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My response: Perhaps you should READ my posts. MANY include Scripture quotes.
Do you consider the Bible to be OPINION????
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In the last 14 posts you have quoted zero Scri..."
My response: Lets go through the entire thread and see who QUOTES more Bible... are you up for that?
Or do you prefer to LIE about me some more, like you were CAUGHT doing... and JUSTIFIED your LIES?
Ooooooooh you’re soooo righteous Robert
I hope the best for Robert, it's just that I never see IT.Any signs of life would be great.
The big question: can you be a Christian without being humble or compassionate?
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In the last 14 posts you have quoted zero Scri..."
My response: Of course you HAD to stop at 14 posts... on the post prior to that I QUOTED more than a DOZEN Bible verses! (see message # 163 above)
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My response: Thanks for your JUDGEMENTALISM (no substance... just unsubstantiated JUDGEMENT)
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My response: Why couch your comment in speculation? Why not just LIE about me like you were CAUGHT doing and JUSTIFIED previously?
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Any signs of life would be great.
The big question: can you be a Christian without being humble or compassionate?"
My response: Do unrepentant sinners wind up in a compassionless and ETERNAL HELL?
Loving TRUTH more than one loves people does NOT make one compassionless. It actually makes them more loving.
Galatians 4:16 - "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
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No need to cry and weep Steve... repent and come to Jesus and all will be well.
