The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Avalon wrote: "So then I suppose that every time someone brings up an opinion that opposes yours, you would find it "rude.""thats not true if you saw eraggon I knew you didn't like it but was not rude his just seems rude to me I hold things I love dearly and he seems to atack them for no valid reason I can other react I claim that if maybe he said his reasons for dislikeing the relation ships in the books
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "as I said in another discussion with kevan I find things can are more offensive than they are sorry if I am other reacting but this seems rude to me sorry"I don't like fake ..."
and this is not fake love they like each other and have shown many times how their relationship developed may I ask how old are you?
this has nothing to do with maturity it is more I think that maybe if you are older and didn't have the same connection that I have could explain it
annabeth and percy went to tautose to stay together I would call that love and the others had plenty of moments like that
Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "as I said in another discussion with kevan I find things can are more offensive than they are sorry if I am other reacting but this seems rude to me sorry"
I do..."
I'm the same age as Percy. Now that that's cleared up.
They LIKE each other? But loving and liking are two different things. "Like" applies to the way we FEEL about something. LOVE means that DESPITE how we feel about someone we are selfless toward them anyway.
FEELINGS are ALWAYS changing, and aren't a reliable thing to base our relationships on. See what I'm saying?
It has to be a choice.
I do..."
I'm the same age as Percy. Now that that's cleared up.
They LIKE each other? But loving and liking are two different things. "Like" applies to the way we FEEL about something. LOVE means that DESPITE how we feel about someone we are selfless toward them anyway.
FEELINGS are ALWAYS changing, and aren't a reliable thing to base our relationships on. See what I'm saying?
It has to be a choice.
Look, Kevin wasn't "attacking" the things you like. He was just merely stating his opinion. If every opinion that opposed yours was a supposed "attack" then you would be ambushed.
Deaths coming wrote: "annabeth and percy went to tautose to stay together I would call that love and the others had plenty of moments like that"
Percy would have rescued any of his friends from Tartarus.
That's not the kind of commitment that I'm talking about here. (Remember when I said before that friendship would suffice?)
The kind of things you have to be committed to in a romantic relationship are things like, sticking together for the rest of your life. Ideally, getting married or possibly having a family. Otherwise there is no point other than, what kissing?
See how shallow that is?
Since Percy and Annabeth weren't agreed that they wanted to get married, why did they have to be in a relationship at all and show physical displays of affection?
It's just for selfish pleasure.
It's not good to dwell on that stuff.
Percy would have rescued any of his friends from Tartarus.
That's not the kind of commitment that I'm talking about here. (Remember when I said before that friendship would suffice?)
The kind of things you have to be committed to in a romantic relationship are things like, sticking together for the rest of your life. Ideally, getting married or possibly having a family. Otherwise there is no point other than, what kissing?
See how shallow that is?
Since Percy and Annabeth weren't agreed that they wanted to get married, why did they have to be in a relationship at all and show physical displays of affection?
It's just for selfish pleasure.
It's not good to dwell on that stuff.
I know as I said I can over react I can now see that his argument is more reasonble than I first thought.I other reacted if things don't have reason than I fell offended most opinions I can stand but I am a bit hot headed at times sorry his opinion is valid but at first his first comment seems rude to me( it still is in my opinion) but since than he has laid some good aguments
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "annabeth and percy went to tautose to stay together I would call that love and the others had plenty of moments like that"Percy would have rescued any of his friends from Ta..."
this is where we disagree sure he would of done that but to me their are plenty of other moments where they like each other alot of people disagree with your opinion they started as freinds and it grew it seems to me that maybe we have different opinions of love can you do what you think is required to make a relationship real?
i apoligive by the way for the way I act I ussaly am the small guy who no one agree withs so I ussaly have to atack with more force I am sorry for the way I act but it is who I am. I am also very proud which is why I get offended easy as I have stated before I am hot headed I am at a fault your opinion is valid it is just me I can have resonble debates but sometimes at the start I feel offended because they don't say their reasons or don't go into much deph so sorry again
Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "annabeth and percy went to tautose to stay together I would call that love and the others had plenty of moments like that"
Percy would have rescued any of his f..."
I think that the kind of moments you are referring to just made them friends the same way they were friends with all the characters in the book. Denying that is under-valuing friendship, and saying that you have to make it into something "more" so to speak, as if it isn't good enough unless you press your lips together apparently?
First, here is what I think love isn't: physical displays of affection.
I think physical displays of affection can become a part of it when necessary. For Percy and Annabeth, it just seemed really pointless since they're just teenagers doing it for pleasure and don't get the point.
If you're seriously committed to somebody, and want to live your life with them and have kids then it makes sense. Otherwise you're just kissing them for pleasure, and when you're teenagers that IS all you can do.
So why be in a relationship?
Percy would have rescued any of his f..."
I think that the kind of moments you are referring to just made them friends the same way they were friends with all the characters in the book. Denying that is under-valuing friendship, and saying that you have to make it into something "more" so to speak, as if it isn't good enough unless you press your lips together apparently?
First, here is what I think love isn't: physical displays of affection.
I think physical displays of affection can become a part of it when necessary. For Percy and Annabeth, it just seemed really pointless since they're just teenagers doing it for pleasure and don't get the point.
If you're seriously committed to somebody, and want to live your life with them and have kids then it makes sense. Otherwise you're just kissing them for pleasure, and when you're teenagers that IS all you can do.
So why be in a relationship?
@Brown. Not like that. You don't understand what i am trying to say.
@Brown. Not like that. You don't understand what i am trying to say.
Niecy wrote: "@Brown. Not like that. You don't understand what i am trying to say."
The thing is, I don't get what you're trying to say then.
What is this mysterious connection, or does it really exist?
That's why I think it is ultimately a choice that you can darn well control if you need.
What is the connection and how is it different from the way I feel with my sister who knows everything about me?
The thing is, I don't get what you're trying to say then.
What is this mysterious connection, or does it really exist?
That's why I think it is ultimately a choice that you can darn well control if you need.
What is the connection and how is it different from the way I feel with my sister who knows everything about me?
you have a very high opinion of love.my self love is just an extension of freindship to some exent I can't explain love because I have never felt it before.
however you are acting like thats all they do. their are plenty of moments when they talk and I can feel the love for each other
Deaths coming wrote: "you have a very high opinion of love.
my self love is just an extension of freindship to some exent I can't explain love because I have never felt it before.
however you are acting like thats all t..."
That's all they do differently from what they do with their friends, I mean.
That's why I think their "romantic love" is pretty much trash. Don't tell me love is just friendship with the addition of physical displays of affection.
And again, it's not something you feel, no matter how deep you feel it. It's about what you do for them. In the case of a romantic relationship, it also has to do with how much you are committed.
Percy and Annabeth can't be fully committed since they're teenagers. So all that kissing is wasted on them.
Their feelings are irrelevant. Everyone's feelings change all the time.
my self love is just an extension of freindship to some exent I can't explain love because I have never felt it before.
however you are acting like thats all t..."
That's all they do differently from what they do with their friends, I mean.
That's why I think their "romantic love" is pretty much trash. Don't tell me love is just friendship with the addition of physical displays of affection.
And again, it's not something you feel, no matter how deep you feel it. It's about what you do for them. In the case of a romantic relationship, it also has to do with how much you are committed.
Percy and Annabeth can't be fully committed since they're teenagers. So all that kissing is wasted on them.
Their feelings are irrelevant. Everyone's feelings change all the time.
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "you have a very high opinion of love.my self love is just an extension of freindship to some exent I can't explain love because I have never felt it before.
however you are a..."
as I said I feel differntly and as I said I feel that love is an extension of friendship to an exent. because of our different opinions of love this agument will just repeat it self I will not be convinced that percy and annabeth are not in love as much as you feel they are not. you had a good opinion and i apoligive about before thats who I am if you read all my recent post you will see why
plus your definion of love is sort of hard to do on percy since his weakness is personal loety so he will do selfless things to all his freinds so it is sort of imposible for him to show anything different to annabeth
Deaths coming wrote: "plus your definion of love is sort of hard to do on percy since his weakness is personal loety so he will do selfless things to all his freinds so it is sort of imposible for him to show anything d..."
I don't mean he has to be more selfless to Annabeth than to others.
It's like this:
Plain Love: being selfless toward someone and doing anything for them.
Romantic Love: agreeing to be in each other's lives forever so that you can have the chance to be selfless toward each other forever. (Hence, getting married).
Attraction: the feeling that you like somebody.
They're all separate things.
I don't mean he has to be more selfless to Annabeth than to others.
It's like this:
Plain Love: being selfless toward someone and doing anything for them.
Romantic Love: agreeing to be in each other's lives forever so that you can have the chance to be selfless toward each other forever. (Hence, getting married).
Attraction: the feeling that you like somebody.
They're all separate things.
ahhh I under stand commitment is something that shows love okay I understand but really thats sort of hard for you know tenages to do for me it is love but I am starting to see a little more of your agument
Deaths coming wrote: "ahhh I under stand commitment is something that shows love okay I understand but really thats sort of hard for you know tenages to do for me it is love but I am starting to see a little more of you..."
You're right, it's hard for teens. That's why my original point was, why do they have to be in a relationship at all? It's like they do it just so that they can kiss, and it that isn't really right.
It seems like they could keep it at friendship until they're older. Really what good comes of using each other for physical needs?
You're right, it's hard for teens. That's why my original point was, why do they have to be in a relationship at all? It's like they do it just so that they can kiss, and it that isn't really right.
It seems like they could keep it at friendship until they're older. Really what good comes of using each other for physical needs?
this is a fun discussion we are having can you see my points? our different opinions of love make it hard but I am still finding this enjoyable
Deaths coming wrote: "this is a fun discussion we are having can you see my points? our different opinions of love make it hard but I am still finding this enjoyable"
Yes, I am trying to respond to the points that you make. I agree it's fun to talk about things, I like having discussions. But can you keep telling me your opinions or counter mine that you think are wrong? That's how we learn things, and I think it's a good thing.
Yes, I am trying to respond to the points that you make. I agree it's fun to talk about things, I like having discussions. But can you keep telling me your opinions or counter mine that you think are wrong? That's how we learn things, and I think it's a good thing.
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "ahhh I under stand commitment is something that shows love okay I understand but really thats sort of hard for you know tenages to do for me it is love but I am starting to se..."because young love happens and is in many books I see your point but because your opinion of love is hard to do for young people you find it useless while people like me( and from what I've seen most people) find it sweet and nice
and their is some conmitment think about percy thinking about a family in new romeand some people have stated that maybe the oath to keep with a finall breath could talk about weeding vaws.
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "this is a fun discussion we are having can you see my points? our different opinions of love make it hard but I am still finding this enjoyable"Yes, I am trying to respond t..."
yes agree able I am happy you think so and we have gotten over that little thing in the begining
Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "ahhh I under stand commitment is something that shows love okay I understand but really thats sort of hard for you know tenages to do for me it is love but I am ..."
Okay, I agree that it could be "young love," if by that you mean that two people have an immature idea of love and think it's okay to "be in a relationship"...
...but as far as I can see, in this series it's not portrayed like that. It's portrayed as a reasonable, acceptable idea of love for kids to have, rather than one they should grow out of. That's where the problem is, I think.
Okay, I agree that it could be "young love," if by that you mean that two people have an immature idea of love and think it's okay to "be in a relationship"...
...but as far as I can see, in this series it's not portrayed like that. It's portrayed as a reasonable, acceptable idea of love for kids to have, rather than one they should grow out of. That's where the problem is, I think.
Niecy wrote: "@Kevin. Okay sorry. And which post did I have you in"In this one, Brown replied to me, then you replied and it is confusing me, I don't know if you are replying to me or brown or what.
You go and read the old pages you have no idea what people are saying because they didn't quote exactly what they were answering.
Niecy wrote: "Brown wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Kill all the feels man
"
Why would you kill all your feelings?
Feelings that come from loving someone aren't bad.
I'm just saying feelings aren't love itself.
Your putting way too m..."
Okay now i understand but still. Are you saying also that you dont like the lovey-dovy stuff."
Deaths coming wrote: "this comment I find is rude if you don't like the relatioships than don't read them I and alot of people like the relationships nico and percy is less well done I will say that but I am quite happy with the others ..."
Death I find it rude that you think, that because you like something everyone else must like it or stop reading it. It doesn't work like that.
Kevin wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "this comment I find is rude if you don't like the relatioships than don't read them I and alot of people like the relationships nico and percy is less well done I will say tha..."as I said I am sorry about that if you keept up you would see that we are other that and I apoligive this will happen again must likely but it is one of my flaws I will try to stop doing it but it will probly happen again I am now having a discussion with the person who wrote that coment and talking about our different views of love
in truth I think they are meant for each other we will probley disagree about this all day but nothing will change I will keep doing this because I find your opinion intresting and you are polite and resonable
Deaths coming wrote: "in truth I think they are meant for each other
we will probley disagree about this all day but nothing will change I will keep doing this because I find your opinion intresting and you are polite ..."
Actually, I agree that they are probably meant for each other, but the thing is at the point they are at they don't need to keep kissing. I do agree with you that later on, I could see them getting into a good relationship.
I just mean that it's not a good thing to dwell on at that point in their life. It seems like the author just thinks he HAS to make them in a relationship.
Also, like I said, if it was shown as out of immaturity, that would be one thing, but instead it seems to condone this kind of behavior like a good thing.
we will probley disagree about this all day but nothing will change I will keep doing this because I find your opinion intresting and you are polite ..."
Actually, I agree that they are probably meant for each other, but the thing is at the point they are at they don't need to keep kissing. I do agree with you that later on, I could see them getting into a good relationship.
I just mean that it's not a good thing to dwell on at that point in their life. It seems like the author just thinks he HAS to make them in a relationship.
Also, like I said, if it was shown as out of immaturity, that would be one thing, but instead it seems to condone this kind of behavior like a good thing.
okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just doing it for plesure but not many people mind that i think me included
so yeah that unnessary but I think it is sopose to represent how most people their age aproches love
Deaths coming wrote: "okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just doing it for plesure but not many people mind that i think me included"
Yeah. I just don't think it's too good to be overly dwelling on, or to force into every story. Lots of bad things happen in society when you see too much of that attitude encouraged.
I mean, this is like a PG rated story, so nothing too bad is going to happen, but it's just the attitude that it encourages that seems ultimately unhealthy.
Yeah. I just don't think it's too good to be overly dwelling on, or to force into every story. Lots of bad things happen in society when you see too much of that attitude encouraged.
I mean, this is like a PG rated story, so nothing too bad is going to happen, but it's just the attitude that it encourages that seems ultimately unhealthy.
Brown wrote: "It seems like the author just thinks he HAS to make them in a relationship.i..."Fun Fact: any Movie MUST have some romantic relationship or inclinations, the Directors feel that will attract a larger audience(See Percy Jackson Movie, they are together by the end of the film, which when you add up all the days is LESS THAN A MONTH, HOW WILL THAT LAST??).
It's not a stretch to say that Authors feel that romance will draw in more readers or they are forced to ship some of their existing characters by the publisher.
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just doing it for plesure but not many people mind that i..."agreeable but it doesen't feel force in this story for me
by the way have you read ranger's apprentice because thats something which I think you will like the romance in.
Kevin wrote: "Brown wrote: "It seems like the author just thinks he HAS to make them in a relationship.i..."
Fun Fact: any Movie MUST have some romantic relationship or inclinations, the Directors feel that wil..."
What sells is automatically a good thing?
Fun Fact: any Movie MUST have some romantic relationship or inclinations, the Directors feel that wil..."
What sells is automatically a good thing?
Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just doing it for plesure but not many peop..."
Maybe not forced.
But you get my point about the attitude (overly focused on unnecessary displays of affection).
Maybe not forced.
But you get my point about the attitude (overly focused on unnecessary displays of affection).
intesting fact keven I don't think rick did this but I can think of a few e.g
harry potter
artemis fowl to a lesser exent
Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just doing it for ple..."that i get I still fell it isen't drelled on to mush in the books but valid point
ps what about twilight?
Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Brown wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "okay so you feel that they shouldn't kiss as much because it imature. thats a valid point thats when I think they are just do..."
Hmm, I haven't read Twilight so I can't have a fair opinion.
Hmm, I haven't read Twilight so I can't have a fair opinion.
Brown wrote: "What sells is automatically a good thing? ..."Didn't say I condone the actions, just stating what happens and my theories that it applies to literature too.
yeah but i have watch the movies if their anything alike and I heard they are than it is one of the most unholy abomanasition on earth ghh
Deaths coming wrote: "artemis fowl to a lesser exent "Artemis got romantic feelings for Holly after knowing her for years, they faced down death together and saved the world. Nothing could come of it though(view spoiler)
it happens in liture from time to time I have listed a couple above
Kevin wrote: "Brown wrote: "What sells is automatically a good thing? ..."
Didn't say I condone the actions, just stating what happens and my theories that it applies to literature too."
Oh. Well yeah. It's a shame.
Didn't say I condone the actions, just stating what happens and my theories that it applies to literature too."
Oh. Well yeah. It's a shame.
Kevin wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "artemis fowl to a lesser exent "Artemis got romantic feelings for Holly after knowing her for years, they faced down death together and saved the world. Nothing could come o..."
no they weren't they will stay freinds but no it seems reviltly clean artemis if I had to guess would go to minevea
what would you say is the worst affender of doing this would you say brown?
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I don't like fake love.
Physical displays of affection aren't love.
Feelings that you like someone isn't love.
They can only be pieces of it sometimes.
Love means committing to someone forever, and being selfless toward them despite how your feelings change. Anything else is a waste of time, and kinda unhealthy to be dwelling on anyway. Unless you're committed, kissing and stuff if only done for selfish pleasure, and yes, that IS sickening.