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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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they look cool. I have like no traditions at all and it bothers me. or my traditions are weird. Avalon what about you?
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I'm an atheist so I have no traditions or religion. I do whatever I want xD
Ahaha bindi is the word ! I was close xD
OMG!! since I'm not from here I actually have my dad's middle name as my last. because my dad's is actually AYuK and my mom's is Bate but sometimes she keeps her maiden name. so that's why my brothers and i have one last name and my parents last names are different. it's confusing especially when you want to find out about your ancestors and you can't because they don't use the same last name. very irrtating
nothing except that I can't find who my ancestors are. *sighs* we are going to be twins!!!!!!!lalalalalalalalalala ready for Christmas break?
yeahhh..probably no records. and my parents don't really care about ancestry
Oh! If you mean those kind of traditions then of course I have traditions. Every Christmas break my family visits my dad (not fun and very awkward). Every summer break I go to an amusement park with my family (fun!) Every once a month my neighborhood holds a little party in a park near me (which is a good place for reading). Every Friday is family fun night which is horrible because I never win. My sisters beat me in everything :( Twins have an empathy link.
Christmas break is coming ... Usually people get excited but I hate it -_-
Btw Yubrine where are you from?
Cameroon. okay I gotta go
Ohhh Cameroon! Such diversity here ! I'm just plain white. My parents are American and their parents are American but I know my ancestors were Greek/Albanian/Macedonian. I wish I could be from somewhere in Asia or Africa or South America...
Avalon wrote: "I don't want to start religious debates and stuff but you say that you need a religion to have morals so I'm going to tell you the same thing I told my class when this issue was brought up. No you ..."man thought of god as a plausible explanation for the unknown and frankly speaking,he was right.as a man of science believe me when i say there is a god,but he does not adhere to a barter system.the something greater than us will one day be understood by science alone.as for religion,think in terms of thousands of centuries ago-what better way to control law and order than the awe and fear of something greater than us?the problem began when the elite back then did what the elite now are doing-manipulate the system for their good rather than the greater good
H99 wrote: "I don't much like my traditions. I wish I were from northern India, so it'd be less old-fashioned with my parents. My dad kept pressuring me to wear a bindi, and my mom too... and I don't want to. ..."the country has changed drastically now (not all changes are good though)though the orthodox still exist.nobody sports `bindis' now and even arranged marriages are out of fashion.it aint as good as the us but isn't as bad as you think either.i personally prefer Singapore to the us (America has its own issues)as a workplace and living destination
@just we're just supposed to take your word that there is a god. Seems legit... >_> "as a man of science" is that supposed to prove that you are qualified to make that claim? Did you discover proof of god? Good for you, submit your findings and collect your Nobel prize. Arrogance>_>
Cherie wrote: "@just we're just supposed to take your word that there is a god. Seems legit... >_> "as a man of science" is that supposed to prove that you are qualified to make that claim? Did you discover proof..."okay if thats the impression you are getting my bad.what iwas trying to say is there is something wonderful,something powerful out there in nature that is worthy of being studied."god"is just a name,it might get a completely scientific and complicated name tomorrow.Butt does this entity interfere in human affairs or make the universe tick?no.that's what nobody understands_in the end you are responsible for yourself.today god has become an excuse,some sort of a merchant who will give you what you want if you pray-that's humanity's mistake.
and why are you suddenly so aggressive?i am not making any claims here just giving my opinion.Pseudo-liberals like you dont even understand what i was trying to say.i am not advocating god or religion.and don't take my word for anything-or anybody else`s for that matter
Cherie wrote: "@just we're just supposed to take your word that there is a god. Seems legit... >_> "as a man of science" is that supposed to prove that you are qualified to make that claim? Did you discover proof..."BTW-are we supposed to take your word on the matter that Rick Riordan added this twist in this book to champion gay rights?cause that's what we were supposed to be discussing here in the first place
I apologize if I misunderstood... Are you referring to a sort of deistic or pantheistic view of god?
I'm sorry I f you think I was being aggressive. I simply thought you were claiming to have some impossible knowledge in which case I thought I would call you out on your arrogance. It was a knee jerk reaction and I apologize.
And to that second comment, I suppose not if you don't want to. I gave all the information I could to support my claim if you don't want to accept that then that is up to you... But my problem with your comment is that I thought you were saying, "there is a god, trust me" and then I thought you were throwing in your scientific background to justify your credibility. I would like to get back to the original discussion. This is why I didn't wanna talk about religion, it can be a train wreck simply because comments can be misinterpreted so easily. Sooooooo I'd like to propose a truce and strike the religious topic here and now before it gets any worse.
Cherie wrote: "I'm sorry I f you think I was being aggressive. I simply thought you were claiming to have some impossible knowledge in which case I thought I would call you out on your arrogance. It was a knee je..."it happens on internet threads.Glad we sorted it out though
Cherie wrote: "And to that second comment, I suppose not if you don't want to. I gave all the information I could to support my claim if you don't want to accept that then that is up to you... But my problem with..."agreed.back to books-were there really too many deus ex machinas in this book?
Thanks for being understanding about it :p
Oh yeah... Definitely. Haha It's probably my absolute least favorite thing about this series. It seems like myths just pop up for the sole purpose of the characters ability to solve problems in creatively unrealistic ways. Although, I thought it wasn't as prevalent as it was in MoA or maybe just not as noticeable? Not sure which... But I mostly enjoyed HoH for the character development. :p
Cherie wrote: "Oh yeah... Definitely. Haha It's probably my absolute least favorite thing about this series. It seems like myths just pop up for the sole purpose of the characters ability to solve problems in cre..."hopefully the next one,blood of olympus,will reduce its dependency on easy ways out and just let stuff happen.
I would think so... I mean I'm sure we can expect some conflicts along the way for Nico, Reyna, and Hedge. But hopefully it's not just gods and goddesses trying to stir up trouble for no reason but to add more conflict to the plot... I'm hoping the final battles and the resolution take up a great percent of the book.
Nico's gonna have to tell Percy how he feels eventually...THAT'S gonna be awkward.
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."Durr, durr, homophobia is so awesome. Hey, nyuk, look at me, hurr durr, I have low intelli... um, whaaaa? Um, I have low inte... oh, whatever. But I don't care, because I, hyuk hyuk, I, um, what did I say again... oh, yes, I said I don't need to be in... oh, screw it. I don't need to be whatever because I have, um, uh.......... homophobia, that's it! Huil huil *snort* *snark*!
Derp.
John wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."
LOL
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Cherie wrote: "@kevin quite frankly I dot see any evidence to convince me that religion helps deter crime....."I was talking about teaching morals... I didn't say anything that religion deters crimes... I don't know what you and H99 got started up with.
All I was saying was with parents slacking off and religion not there to teach morals we need something to replace it.
Go somewhere else please Kevin! This isn't about preaching religious beliefs, it's about Nico. (Which, though I didn't see coming, I thought was brilliant and made perfect sense the longer I thought about it. So there.)And I agree with all the people who've been replying to Jasmine... that is a horrible thing to write. I mean, I respect what you think, but could you be a little bit less rude about it?
@kevin Hm, if you didn't get the memo we put an end to the religious discussion. Messy business...
John wrote: "Durr, durr, homophobia is so awesome. Hey, nyuk, look at me, hurr durr, I have low intelli... um, whaaaa? Um, I have low inte... oh, whatever. But I don't care, because I, hyuk hyuk, I, um, what did I say again... oh, yes, I said I don't need to be in... oh, screw it. I don't need to be whatever because I have, um, uh.......... homophobia, that's it! Huil huil *snort* *snark*!..."I don't know what you were trying to get across... were you calling all the people that support gays in this thread retarded or are you calling Jαṡṃïṉε retarded...
I think it has to be the former because because she did not try to "champion gays" so from the way you typed that(seems like someone who is championing gays) it has to be a gay supporter.
Madisons1 wrote: "Go somewhere else please Kevin! This isn't about preaching religious beliefs, it's about Nico. ..."Please read all 36 pages(I did), read what I said in those comments and how it progressed to that stage then you can comment on what I was saying, I was not preaching anything. If you have a problem and have to be on the defensive constantly I can not help you with that.
Your opinion is your opinion. I've said what I wanted to say about the subject, so I'm going to leave now. (Btw even though it took me I while I read the 36 pages, so I was commenting kind of to everyone who quoted the Bible or "morals" during this thread. And guess what, I'm a Christian but I don't go around saying other people need to accept my morals... as long as you don't kill anyone I'm fine.) All I'm saying is from what I've seen this thread just goes around in circles, and everyone keeps saying the same thing, and the #1 defense seems to me to be religion when, hey, this is a book about the GREEK GODS. (Plural).
So bye.
Madisons1 wrote: "Btw even though it took me I while I read the 36 pages, so I was commenting kind of to everyone who quoted the Bible or "morals" during this thread. And guess what, I'm a Christian but I don't go around saying other people need to accept my morals ..."I didn't say anyone needs to accept my morals... its sad that the reading comprehension of this current generation is so bad... I'm glad people are reading books but the comprehension....
Avalon wrote: "Ohhh Cameroon! Such diversity here ! I'm just plain white. My parents are American and their parents are American but I know my ancestors were Greek/Albanian/Macedonian. I wish I could be from some..."It's not that awesome. sure Christmas involves partying with pretty much everyone in your neighborhood unlike staying like here, but it's...ordinary
BTW I Want To Wish Everyone A Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!
Kevin wrote: "Madisons1 wrote: "Btw even though it took me I while I read the 36 pages, so I was commenting kind of to everyone who quoted the Bible or "morals" during this thread. And guess what, I'm a Christia..."OH Gosh. you make us sound so bad...I think you're 70
I don't understand why this is such a controversial matter, but well, of course it is, people are just like that.Nico is exactly the same person I always have loved except, much braver and more himself now that he's got his secret a bit out of his chest. Let's see what happens in boo.
I cant believe that nico is gay it suprised me. Hey Leo is single. :)
Graysen wrote: "Hey Leo is single. :)"What happen to Calypso?
Kevin, you know *-*Leo & Calypso *-*
I agree with Karin that there is nothing wrong with having this in a book.
Honestly, I have no problem with gay people, except for the fact that I live in the most hippie, left-wing, Democratic place in the universe (I'm sure you all can guess where that is), and since I'm a Republican, it kind of ticks me off that everyone around me is trying to out-gay each other. The fact that all the gay people here are allowed to do certain things that straights are not is really annoying. For instance, if someone straight was bullied, they wouldn't be helped out by friends or anyone else around them. But if a gay person was bullied, then they are defended and elevated to the status of gods. As a straight guy who gets pushed around a little, its pretty annoying to see someone get treated better because of his sexuality (in a strange, opposite way compared to the rest of the world). Back to the book, I thought that while it was interesting that Nico was gay and that "Uncle Rick" was supporting gay rights and presenting a current issue to readers, I thought that it was wholly unnecessary to the plot. While it might have explained a couple of scenes and added some mystery/intrigue, the book could have definitely done without it. This kid, while he was shunned and left alone his entire life, is a son of Hades, a freaking GOD. Of DEATH! What kind of demigod with this parentage would every be gay!?!? And for the main character?!?!?!? And for those who are already about to scroll down to reply to this review, hear me out. I get what Rick is getting at, that homosexuals aren't always very obvious about it and that they are often scared and need help: but WHY? This is a kids/teens/young adult book that is about the fate of the world. What does homosexuality have anything to do with the story? The plot and morals of the story would have been perfectly fine without this unnecessary twist, and I just can't picture Nico as being gay for Percy. It's just uncomfortable and unimaginable. When I read the confession, I thought that I was going crazy. I had to reread it twice just to grasp the idea that this kid, this son of Death, this angry but tortured kid: could be gay. I just never, ever expected this kind of a twist, one that has nothing to do with the story and merely represents Rick's support of gay rights. Honestly, I think that current issues shouldn't be discussed in children's books. This series has been with me since I was 7, and I have enjoyed the escape that it has provided me for the past eight years. I have never had to think about politics, or human rights issues, or world problems when I read these books. But when something like this pops up, I just don't want Nico in the story. Yes, I like his character. He represents all of the bullied, friendless children in the world with secrets and stories of their own, but the gayness just doesn't fit the picture. Thank you for your time if you have read this far, and have a Merry Christmas (except for that one guy who insists on "Happy Holidays")
Thank you for your opinion. This is Rick Riordan's explanation for why he did it. You can find this and other frequently asked questions at www.rickriordan.comQ. How did you decide on Nico's character development in House of Hades? (SPOILER)
A. Here's my statement concerning Nico in The House of Hades:
One of the most important reasons I became a teacher was to advocate for marginalized children – those who are bullied or misunderstood, those who feel lost and alone. As a middle school student myself, I certainly felt that anguish. As a middle school teacher, it was critical to me that all my students saw my classroom as a safe, supportive environment where they could be honored for who they were and express themselves without fear.
I’ve taken the same approach with my writing. It’s essential to me that young readers find a variety of relatable, positive role models in my books. Every child can be a hero. No child should be shamed or shunned for being different.
Nico’s sexual orientation became clear to me the longer I wrote about his character. It was not something I planned. I had no agenda. But when I realized this was a major part of his life experience and the reason for so many of his difficulties with the other characters, it would have been a disservice to his character, the plot of the books, and all my readers simply to sweep the issue under the rug and pretend it didn’t exist. Turning a blind eye to children’s needs is never an acceptable answer.
I’ve been lucky enough to teach all sorts of students – fifth grade to twelfth grade, rich and poor, from numerous ethnic backgrounds, with diverse religious traditions and a variety of learning differences. I’ve also taught gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students. Some self-identified as early as elementary school. Some came to terms with their sexual orientation later in high school. Most had a hard time during the middle grades, which are tough years for any child. All my middle school students enriched my classroom. They made me a better teacher and a better writer for children, and they all deserve my support.
I am committed to writing appropriate books for the middle grades. This means no bad language, no gratuitous or explicit violence, and no sexual content beyond what you might find in a PG-rated movie – expressions of who likes whom, holding hands, and perhaps the occasional kiss. The idea that we should treat sexual orientation itself as an adults-only topic, however, is absurd. Non-heterosexual children exist. To pretend they do not, to fail to recognize that they have needs for support and validation like any child, would be bad teaching, bad writing, and bad citizenship.
Having said that, a good book, like a good classroom, should raise questions, not insist on a particular set of answers. It certainly should not ignore difficult questions. Whatever a family’s moral and religious beliefs on the topic of sexual orientation, I hope The House of Hades will provide an opportunity for parents to talk to their kids about what they believe, and why they believe it. Most importantly, I hope the story continues to entertain and keeps kids reading!
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."there is nothing wrong with being who you are!
that was too long to read -_-
H99 wrote: "Blogger wrote: "that was too long to read -_-"Come on, Blogger... You're on a site for books! You can stand reading a few hundred words!"
*sighs* okay i'll try
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."I do agree with you completely. I do think that it did hinder me from rating the book with 5 stars and it really put a real damper on how I enjoyed the book. This is simply my own personal opinion, and I am allowed to state it. I am not being hateful, I am just stating how I think that is not very appropriate for this age group.
Collin wrote: "Honestly, I have no problem with gay people, except for the fact that I live in the most hippie, left-wing, Democratic place in the universe (I'm sure you all can guess where that is), and since I'..."I don't think it had anything at all do with with his support of gay rights. In fact, it doesn't even say that Nico is "gay". He has feelings for Percy specifically. Never does it mention sexual or romantic feelings, but just that he loves him more so than anyone else and that makes sense for the character.
Also, did you consider that if he is gay, he is perhaps tortured due to his need to keep the secret rather than his being the "son of death"?
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