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Buddy Read; [[ August]]
Aasia wrote: "btw what is your favourite book of Urdu ? and of Umera Ahmed ? i have heart that Nimra Ahmed is good ? how do you find her writings to be ? "I've a looong list and "Mata-e-Jaan hy tu" is one my favorities. Yes! I know you didn't like it and have rated it one star... but I like Farhat Ishtiaq more than any Urdu writer.
Umera Ahmed is a good writer, too... Shehr-e-Zaat and Peer-e-Kamil are the books I liked most. Waiting for Aab-e-Hayaat...
Nimra Ahmed is A.W.E.S.O.M.E. Her book Mushif, is a fantastic book that has changed the lives of so many people. Give it a try!
Aakash wrote: "@Narjis Blame #Nigham she posted pakistan realted pic here and it all started with that!!! :3 :P"
Laga looo aag! :p
Aakash wrote: "@Nigham!! O.o busy in preparation of WORLD WAR VII!!! :P :P"
Me ab itni bhi waili nahi... :p
Waisy Narjis... jab buddies discussion karny nahi ain gain... tou yehi haal ho ga! :D
Zainab wrote: "@Nigham, can you increase the task? It's really boring to read only one chapter a day."
Sure, Zainab. :) That's why, I asked if anyone else is interested in a reading challenge... :p
Lol! I thought you were a slow reader. :p
@Aakash- Now you're gonna hate people other than teachers. :p
♥ZaynaH--- Cullen-♥-Eaton-♥-Barnes-♥-Bane-♥-Morgenstern-♥- Landon Carter-♥- Ryan Guzman-♥-Fawad Khan- ---AhmeD♥ wrote: "shehr e zaat is a pakistani drama too right Nigham?"Yes, a drama serial based on the novella of the same name by Umera Ahmed.
♥ZaynaH--- Cullen-♥-Eaton-♥-Barnes-♥-Bane-♥-Morgenstern-♥- Landon Carter-♥- Ryan Guzman-♥-Fawad Khan- ---AhmeD♥ wrote: "i ve never read a pak book in my life."You can read translated Urdu books...
I haven't read many Urdu novels but I really want to read Jannat Kay Pattay and I can't really find it anywhere! :(@Nigham lol no. I'm just a bit low these days because of College and stuff. But it would be great if you increase a few more chapters and I also can't help my curiousity. :D
@♥ZaynaH-Depends upon your taste. :p
@Zainab- Lol! I,too couldn't find Jannat K patty... not even in e-format... Once I happend to come across a scanned (digest) e-format but that was no good either...
I have its pdf file but I want to read the book..
Waisy Narjis... jab buddies discussion karny nahi ain gain... tou yehi haal ho ga! :D ok, I'm discussing it now. I'm discussing it in negative way and I think other readers are loving it so you all will get lot to discuss. ;)
BTW, you all are buddies :D
My progress = Cassette 3: Side AThis book will get less than 3 stars from me and I've more than 13 reasons to give it 1 or 2 stars.
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there ya go Aakash"
Got it!!! :)
hehe!!! Yea I hate people!!! :( I am behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I will love teacher if they are going with the same syllabus(avail this offer @Nigham ;) ) :P
#Nigham! Aag lagna you ka kaam hai!!! :P I am peace loving!! :3
Narjis wrote: "My progress = Cassette 3: Side AThis book will get less than 3 stars from me and I've more than 13 reasons to give it 1 or 2 stars.
So these are reasons why she committed suicide, but here I ag..."
I m with u on this! One cant blame others for having no hope no positivty. she just didnt wanted to live. I think this novel is not about hope or anything. Its rather more about consequences of our actions. The writer is simply asking us to think a thousand times before saying or doing anything to anyone.
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She killed herself and blamed others for it. Now she wants all the people in the list to regret forever and to live with the burning guilt. She gav..."
Narjis wrote: "My progress = Cassette 3: Side A
This book will get less than 3 stars from me and I've more than 13 reasons to give it 1 or 2 stars.
So these are reasons why she committed suicide, but here I ag..."
I will give my views when I read it!!! :3 Hope I reach there soon!! :P
Aasia wrote: "Narjis wrote: "My progress = Cassette 3: Side AThis book will get less than 3 stars from me and I've more than 13 reasons to give it 1 or 2 stars.
So these are reasons why she committed suicide..."
Yes! And I really don't think that EVERYONE in her school is cruel.
And why didn't she talk to her parents? No matter what she was their daughter and they would listen to her.
She was mentally ill i believe. So it was required for her condition to have people be extra sensitive interacting with her. But such cautions cannot be recieved because no one knows (and most of the time a person dont himself know) what is going on in their mind.
Nigham wrote: "Zainab wrote: "@Nigham, can you increase the task? It's really boring to read only one chapter a day."
Sure, Zainab. :) That's why, I asked if anyone else is interested in a reading challenge... ..."
Okay then mushif is going to b in my to-read list!
I still don't understand it. She shouldn't blame others for it. What if they want to kill themselves because of the guilt?
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1.she had too many exceptions from others!!!
2.she wanted to be treated as she was thinking.
3.World is unfair place so you have to cope with it.
4. World is not wish granting factory! :P
5.We have to learn in the society and she wanted to change it according to her.
6.She wanted all the variables(other people reaction to her, their intentions and all things surrounding her) in her control but reality is different.
Zaynah, I don't think so. I mean, what if someone commits suicide and blames you for it? Just because at some time in your life you were cruel to them.
I know that some of them don't really feel guilty but the others do and that's the point ; you don't know the 'repercussion' of it. You don't know how these tapes affected them.
Zainab wrote: "I still don't understand it. She shouldn't blame others for it. What if they want to kill themselves because of the guilt?"Yup true! The people who think of commiting suicide are ill. But those who actually go on with and actually commit are just self centered selfish self occupied and what not!
Even if u commit suicide silently u r bound to leave holes giant holes in peoples heart and what a detestable person she was to actually torturing others to this much extent. If i were her i would have forgiven all of them maybe and not take such grotseque revenge by this blame game!
Aasia wrote: "Narjis wrote: "I m with u on this! One cant blame others for having no hope no positivty. she just didnt wanted to live. I think this novel is not about hope or anything. Its rather more about consequences of our actions. The writer is simply asking us to think a thousand times before saying or doing anything to anyone. "I think it's not about consequences either, whatever she was saying, it was just one side of the story. It was just how she saw and assumed and felt. One sided truth never meant to be accepted as truth. Other persons never got chance to explain their actions.
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Just because at some time in your life you were cruel to them.
I know that some of them don't really feel ..."
Well! I guess you can write a suicide note and blame someone for it and its legal too and it is investigated as well...
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You feel good you are good you feel ill you are ill!!!
Narjis wrote: "Aasia wrote: "Narjis wrote: "I m with u on this! One cant blame others for having no hope no positivty. she just didnt wanted to live. I think this novel is not about hope or anything. Its rather m..."When u see the story beyond her character and analyse the writers intentions u might see that he wanted to make a point by just showing how we can affect others in such a negative way by doing so little
@Aasia I agree. You're right. Now all these tapes will torment the listeners forever.
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I agree! :P
And yes every one is right from his own perspective, but we have to consider that perspective to be right which is righteous for the majority!!!
You're right. The whole point is the influence of our actions on others and that's a really good point or that's the only good point.
Zainab wrote: "Zaynah, I don't think so. I mean, what if someone commits suicide and blames you for it? Just because at some time in your life you were cruel to them.
I know that some of them don't really feel ..."
Yeah, exactly, If she was so sensitive then why didn't she think that what will be the effect of her action on others?
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Thats what i am saying!! we should watch our words and should not judge others!!
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“Dad, look the trees are going behind us!”
As his Dad smiled, a young couple sitting nearby, looked at the 24 year old’s childish behavior with pity, when suddenly he again exclaimed…
“Dad, look the clouds are running with us!”
The couple couldn’t resist and said to the old man…
“Why don’t you take your son to see a good doctor?”
The old man smiled and said…
“I did and we are just coming from the hospital, my son was blind from birth and he just got his eyes today.”
Yeah! I'd also describe her as cruel, over sensitive and selfish. @Aakash you're right. The idea is good but the story ruins it, to be honest.
Aakash wrote: "Narjis wrote: "Aasia wrote: "Narjis wrote: "I m with u on this! One cant blame others for having no hope no positivty. she just didnt wanted to live. I think this novel is not about hope or anythin..."<Bhae esi baat hai tu let me ask u all a simple question. Morality is relative? Or morality is absolute? What is right for u might not be right for many people. Then would u change ur view based on majority vote?
Aasia wrote: "Bhae esi baat hai tu let me ask u all a simple question. Morality is relative? Or morality is absolute? What is right for u might not be right for many people. Then would u change ur view based on majority vote? "I'm not claiming majority as right, I'm saying, third person cannot judge by listening one person and leaving the accused.
Hannah herself was a suicidal person. In the second cassette, she was recording in front of Taylor's window, which shows she didn't record all these just at once and commit suicide but it took her months or don't know how long to record. So isn't it like she had prepared her mind and just looking for reasons as excuse.
Narjis wrote: "Aasia wrote: "Bhae esi baat hai tu let me ask u all a simple question. Morality is relative? Or morality is absolute? What is right for u might not be right for many people. Then would u change ur ..."you are right!
Aakash wrote: "A few years ago, a 24 year old boy seeing out from the train’s window shouted…“Dad, look the trees are going behind us!”
As his Dad smiled, a young couple sitting nearby, looked at the 24 year ..."
Some times our silence kill others some times our words. How can anyone decide? This world is just vain and bizzare!
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Yea I know that!! I wont change my ideology for people ever!! But we should not be so hard in our principals that we overlook humanity and be self fish as well!!
For example I am against suicide and killing!! But If someone give me a choice to either kill myself or kill my whole family!! What will I do?? Of course I will kill myself because in this case only a single person will be be wasted!!
and same like We are going in a car and there is a.c on in it!! and we are for people and other three are ok with closed windows and i want to open them!! Should I?? (because it will lower down the efficiency of a.c in the car!!
And yes For me Its relative;
Like If you are PM of pakistan and someone threaten your family and ask you to attack on other country what will you do?? save family or pakistan??
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“Dad, look the trees are going behind us!”
As his Dad smiled, a young couple sitting nearby, looked ..."
talking is silver but silence is gold
in the case of that story they should have asked why he is behaving like this is he alright?? rather than making their own paradigm and giving a free advice in advance!! as far as i can interpret it.
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the decision varies from person to person!! :)
But I guess Motherland more than family! ;)
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Just because at some time in your life you were cruel to them.
I know that some of them don..."
Yea if she was this much good then why she ruined lives of people mentioned in that cassettes as well!!!!
Aakash wrote: "Aasia wrote: Bhae esi baat hai tu let me ask u all a simple question. Morality is relative? Or morality is absolute? What is right for u might not be right for many people. Then would u change ur v..."Then majority can't decide what is right and what is wrong? tu pir is there anything wrong or right on its own?
If it is not absolute then can u imagine what the world would become?
One has to decide! but yes we can falter and mind you we all will. but we cant start with the idea of every deed being relative we have to have absolutism to aim for. and then we will eventually need to deviate from it!
♥ZaynaH--- Cullen-♥-Eaton-♥-Barnes-♥-Bane-♥-Morgenstern-♥- Landon Carter-♥- Ryan Guzman-♥-Fawad Khan- ---AhmeD♥ wrote: "the whole world can burn down but if my friends or family are in danger, they always come first."Zaynah what u r saying is true but scary! but true for most of us. Thats why we have this Hadees to guide us i dont know the words exactly but mafhoom or summary is this that The Prophet peace be upon him and his family Must come before our love for our family and so on.. if some one knows this hadith please quote it
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@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in it just like in math equation the DMAS rule and rule of solving brackets first and following then by small to large brackets!!
thing is we should be a well wisher of others more than fulfilling our own wishes!!!
Like every Dictator wants freedom that is basic in it but for himself!!! so we cant let him freedom only for him na???
Dard-E-Dil K Wasty Paida Kiya Insaan Ko
Warna Ataa'at K Liay Kam Na They, Kar-O-Bayaan
Aakash wrote: "Yes!!! My Mother will never ask me to save her instead of saving mothers of millions of sons like me!!1 :)And
@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in it just like in math equatio..."
i will save my mother. i maybe the most selfish person in the world but i will save my mother
♥ZaynaH--- Cullen-♥-Eaton-♥-Barnes-♥-Bane-♥-Morgenstern-♥- Landon Carter-♥- Ryan Guzman-♥-Fawad Khan- ---AhmeD♥ wrote: "Mother.... you'd let you mother die for your motherland?"No way i can't! My mother has to come before anything.
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@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in it just like ..."
well depends on person!! But I doubt my mother will want that!!!
And study about karbala!! You will get all!!
Aakash wrote: "Yes!!! My Mother will never ask me to save her instead of saving mothers of millions of sons like me!!1 :)And
@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in it just like in math equatio..."
Then why did Karbala happened? Why was the grandson of Our beloved Prophet peace be upon him and his family is remembered to this day for being GREAT enough to have sacrificed his dear Family for the good of MANY for the good of U and Me!
We cant be Hussain A.S. we are not even saints. May be i should use we I should use I. I am weak and selfish and Weak. and yes ashamed for not being GREAT like him
Kher I am deviating again from the Book! Sorry guys
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@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in it just like ..."
Yea I just said the grading that all above is Religion and then motherland and then family and then friends! And I guess Humanity is all above even religion!!! (my own so dont take it hard or object! :P )
And Thats completely okay what you save! Just have the feeling of saving and living for others!!! And that doesnt mean ignore yourself or loose self esteem and honor!!
And it happened because of selfishness and not obeying what Allah and Prophet had said!!
Aakash wrote: "Aasia wrote: "Aakash wrote: "Yes!!! My Mother will never ask me to save her instead of saving mothers of millions of sons like me!!1 :)And
@Aasia yea maybe its absolute but there are grading in..."
i think u wont listen to your mother! you must love her so much that u will be blinded by your love for her. She is a mother! you have to love her blindly and beyonds reasoning. you can't be a philosopher at such moments. one cant.
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