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Religion: Would The World Be Better With Or Without It?
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Chandani
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Jun 03, 2009 08:41AM
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Without it. People should make decisions and not use religious beliefs as a means to absolve responsibility.
people just pick and choose which parts of religion they like and want to follow
It's a flawed system, but religion is the opiate of the masses; an opiate withdrawal of that magnitude would be very dangerous indeed.
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*Maria* wrote: "keep religion"
Ew.
Ew.
James wrote: "Its nice to throw things at it."HAhahaha
Marley wrote: "Religion ruins everything."Okay, but when things have been ruined, religion is what pulls many people out of the mess. If we didn't have religion, there would still be violence ESPECIALLY because there might be lesser motivation to be a good person. Religious extremists can be very harmful, but for many people, religion is what tethers them to good so they don't resort to violence. If they resort to violence they believe they will be punished by God/Allah/Brahmin etc. So it works both ways.
but it's also true that religion is a conscious for many people. religion = their moral barometer and for some, when taking it away, their conscious may not reform....
I don't think they are directly correlated, as many aetheists/agnostics have consciences, but I do think you have a good point. If you take away religion, what motivation would there be for being a good person? This might not be true for all people, but a hefty percentage of the world is religious and religion has had an impact on us all since the beginning of time. It is what we resort to when things get bad, it is what gives us motivation for fighting evil, and it is what our world revolves around.
Chandani wrote: "It is true that organized religion has caused more harm than good. Seeing as it has caused zero good. Lol"really? Zero good? I think you are hugely wrong on that point. Of course we have no way to measure what the world would be like without religion, but there are still millions of ways religion has helped.
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Yeah, slavery, mass murder, infantcide, genocide, and repression of sexuality is all good. The Crusades, the Salem Witch trials, the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has been a root of evil forever. BTW, while 85% of the general population in theist, 99% of the jailed population is as well.
you fail to see my point, i think. hope, love, joy, good, happiness, godliness, the end of slavery and infanticide and genocide is also derrived from religion for many people.
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Not for the innocent women burned at the stake. Almost every major war has a religion element.
And peace also has a religion element! It WORKS BOTH WAYS!
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The small peace that religion has had is so drastically outweighed by the pain it causes that it's like saying drugs don't ALWAYS kill you so everyone should do them.
That is not a very good analogy. The flip side of war is peace and both are motivated by religion, so clearly religion is the motivator for both war and peace.
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Religion was created, long ago, to keep people in check. That's obvious. That's why there are rules such as "don't murder" and "don't steal." But also, back then, there were no police officers or CSI investigators or science to punish those who did wrong. So they NEEDED religion to keep from chaos.
But now, we need religion less and less everyday. Technology is what will keep people from being evil in the future, because they know there is a high chance of being caught and convicted.
But now, we need religion less and less everyday. Technology is what will keep people from being evil in the future, because they know there is a high chance of being caught and convicted.
J wrote: "Religion was created, long ago, to keep people in check. That's obvious. That's why there are rules such as "don't murder" and "don't steal." But also, back then, there were no police officers or C..."I agree that religion is something that has been becoming less and less of a necessity, because people now understand that they can walk without a crutch, and live at their own accord, and now people know that if they do wrong, they have the law to face, not a most likely fictional character.
Liz wrote: "That is not a very good analogy. The flip side of war is peace and both are motivated by religion, so clearly religion is the motivator for both war and peace."huh?? not every war was based on religion.
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The larger ones, yes. Crusades, Spanish INquisition, the Burning TImes.
Lauren wrote: ""huh?? not every war was based on religion. "
The larger ones, yes. Crusades, Spanish INquisition, the Burning TImes. "
WWII, WWI, revolutionary war, civil war, napoleonic wars, seven years way(french-indian war), all the anglo-french wars.
were not based off religion.
Kyle wrote: "Lauren wrote: ""huh?? not every war was based on religion.
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The larger ones, yes. Crusades, Spanish INquisition, the Burning TImes. "
WWII, WWI, revolutionary war, civil war, napoleonic wa..."
The point is was that a lot of wars WERE based off religion. If we had no religion, none of those wars would have happened, none of those people would have died. The truth is, one war caused by religion is one war too many.
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The larger ones, yes. Crusades, Spanish INquisition, the Burning TImes. "
WWII, WWI, revolutionary war, civil war, napoleonic wa..."
The point is was that a lot of wars WERE based off religion. If we had no religion, none of those wars would have happened, none of those people would have died. The truth is, one war caused by religion is one war too many.
(i don't believe it but for arguments sake)- more wars would have happened w/o religion because people would be more prone to killing knowing that their isn't a final judgement day where all their actions will be judged
I have to agree with that statement, Liz. If evolution is true, than wars would've started anyway because wouldn't the caveman and animal in all of us still existed? B)I haven't really looked into/studied evolution in years so forgive me that comment isn't right and please do correct me.
people would just be so wrapped up in power that it wouldn't matter in there was a god or notpeople are just using religion as a way to cover up that it was all about the power
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But other things are about power and if it weren't about religion than it would be about other things, like government and freedom and control over those things.
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"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity -- realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world."
http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/mo...
Anyone else disturbed by this?
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Lauren wrote: "Anyone else disturbed by this? "Well, isn't that already in the bible? Or maybe I am mixing that up with the Quran, which also says something along those lines.
Jayda wrote: "But other things are about power and if it weren't about religion than it would be about other things, like government and freedom and control over those things."I am pretty sure that if it weren't for religion and the idiocy it promotes, people would be smarter and a lot more capable of keeping the government in check and whatnot.
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The part I'm disturbed is it's modern people promoting it, not just a 2,000 year old book. It proves real living people still think like that.
Liz wrote: "more wars would have happened w/o religion because people would be more prone to killing knowing that their isn't a final judgement day where all their actions will be judged"Nope. Interestingly enough, there are many more religious people in prison for heinous crimes than there are atheists/non-religious people (and I am not just talking about sheer numbers, because obviously there are more religious people in our country in general, but I mean proportionally).
"995786 I have to agree with that statement, Liz. If evolution is true, than wars would've started anyway because wouldn't the caveman and animal in all of us still existed?"
Altruism is evolutionarily advantageous. If a species was prone to often be incredibly violent towards its own members, it wouldn't exactly be reproductively successful.
You know what my dad said once? He said "Wouldn't you want to go to church so you could know the types of people you're interacting with? It's like choosing your friends before meeting them. You KNOW they have morals and are good people because you're meeting them at church."
I laughed at him.
I laughed at him.
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Every family-values Republican who's cheated on his wife with a mistress in South America disproves this.
AHA, OH MY GOD.
My dad is a republican who cheated on his first wife(x
My dad is a republican who cheated on his first wife(x
J wrote: "You KNOW they have morals and are good people because you're meeting them at church."No, I know they're too fucking stupid to think for themselves lol.
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Seriously? My point is validated. X)
Lauren wrote: ""My dad is a republican who cheated on his first wife("
Seriously? My point is validated. X)"
mmmmmmhmm.
Seriously? My point is validated. X)"
mmmmmmhmm.
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Why do the atheists always have to win? I want to join in. Quick, someone disagree!
Hmmm...today a girl in my D.I class asked this and we both agreed that the world should have religion. Because we don't think all humans have the morals that most atheists do...does that make sense?
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Marley wrote: "Hmmm...today a girl in my D.I class asked this and we both agreed that the world should have religion. Because we don't think all humans have the morals that most atheists do...does that make sense?"No, because if people were raised to think for themselves and use common sense instead of relying on authority, most of them would be able to have good morals, too.
