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Just reading that title, Fortunately, the Milk, makes me smile! :)

I took a look at the Whole30 Challenge and it looks interesting, Lynda. I was thinking l..."
It can seem intimidating, and the first week is pretty hard. I did this for 60 days, and ate strict paleo for about a year. I've never felt so good, my energy was great, and I lost a fare amount of weight. I slowly got away from it, as my job started demanding more and more of my time. I definitely feel the worse for it. I learned I was gluten sensitive, and lactose intolerant - and just cutting out those two things I feel like a different person.

@Rusalka - yes we're on a canal - the Kennet & Avon. This canal is a bit special as it's a canalised river. It has a feed from both the River Avon and the River Kennet. So at these points the flow is quite strong and i believe is closed to navigation but it's ok where we are.
Listening to copious amounts of Motorhead right now after hearing Lemmy died earlier.





I did grain-free for about 6 months and it was amazing how easily I lost weight and how much better my digestive system was. I've tried to stay grain-free but the holidays and all wreaked havoc on that plan.

It looks good. There's also two books to learn more and follow the program, It Starts with Food: Discover the Whole30 and Change Your Life in Unexpected Ways and The Whole 30: The official 30-day guide to total health and food freedom. My local library holds both.

Hate it when I borrow money when I'm broke

The first book Sandra mentioned goes further into the science behind the nutrition, and why certain foods are omitted. It's scientific, but not dry. The second is more of a summary. The second book is a little repetitive. They both contain some basic recipes, tips. and meal planning suggestions, but they aren't strictly cookbooks; the second more so than the first. That's okay, because just google "Paleo" or search Amazon and there is no shortage of resources.
My first Whole 30 was fits and starts. It took me a couple weeks of trying and re-starting, before it really sunk in and I committed. It's surprising how strong sugar and carb cravings are! But for me, if I can get past the first 7-10 days, I'm okay.

Hate it when I borrow money when I'm broke"
Glad you got paid! It is amazing how quickly it disappears though.

It looks good. There's also two books to learn more and follow the program, [book:It Starts with Food: Discover the Wh..."
I've put these 2 on hold at the library. I've tried the raw foods diet and really loved it but it's just too hard to keep up with when I have others in the house eating other foods. I've really slipped away from it but want to get back to it however I'm really interested to check this whole 30 foods thing out.



It must be awful being on a boat Sarah! Your poor head! I can't stand boats at the best of times so being battered around on one by the wind would be my idea of hell. It's blowing a gale here at the moment but the rain has held off so far. Think it's due to start soon though. I think Storm Frankenstein would have been a better name than Frank!

Is it so wet because it's so warm for you guys? As in if it was colder, like it usually is, it'd be snow? Or am I just imagining it's still warm for this time of year over there?

Is it so wet because it's so warm for you guys? As in if it was colder, like it usually is, it'd be snow? Or am I just imagining it's still warm for this time ..."
It has been warmer than normal for this time of year but I don't know if it is having any direct bearing on all the rain and storms. We just seem to be getting battered by one storm after another. We are not getting it anywhere near as bad in the south as they are in the north though! I feel so sorry for all the people who have lost their homes due to the floods.


At the same time our families in Uruguay and Argentina were saying to us that they didn't had winter either (last June, July and August). The first part of their winter was like a mild Fall, and the second part like a mild Spring, with more storms in general than the rule.
It seems that this year the winter pattern is repeating itself all around the world. Warm and Humid.

Weather has been mild here as well, but we got 20cm of the white stuff yesterday, so I guess winter has arrived.

Jeez. 10 overnight is what we get here in Canberra now in Summer. We cool down a lot (which is why I like it here, stupid hot during the day but you can sleep at night). Not what you guys should be getting now.
Heres hoping it gets colder, but not so much it freezes all the flood water and then makes the problem last months instead of days.

I keep hearing people saying that January is going to be really cold and that we could get loads of snow then. We shall see....
I don't know why the UK weather forecasters bother with long range forecasts and predictions. They often don't get it right the day before, let alone weeks or months in advance!

Maybe the rest of the world is finally catching our bug?

I wondered if anyone on here liked Motorhead. I personally don't like the music, but Lemmy seemed like a nice guy, well according to so many twitter comments and the DVDs I've seen. And the BF is a big Motorhead fan so it was sad. He lived a good long life, and kept rocking until the end. We watched his last concert and it was really sad to hear 'Ace of Spades', as you could tell he was really struggling, I couldn't make out a lot of the words. It's crazy the prognosis gave him 2-6 months and in 2 days he passed =[ It's sad cuz there is only 1 original surviving member left now. I'm anxious about the other older bands now; Saxon, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth etc =[
Lemmy will be missed

re: Whole30 Diet - I really like some of the ideas I read about on the links that Sandra shared yesterday. It is definitely a good way to reset your system and find out how different food groups affect your body. A lot of the philosophies I read about makes it sound like it would be a really good diet for people with an unhealthy relationship with food (emotional eaters, constant grazers, etc.).
Since I already know that some of the groups that Whole30 eliminates from your diet are not problems for me, I think I'll stick to my plan of going grain-free. Dairy is not an issue for me and neither are certain sugars (honey and stevia are forbidden on whole30). My grain-free diet eliminates all grains and legumes and focuses on eating real, unprocessed foods, much like the W30.



Yes, it's warm for this time of the year (about 10°C), but most days are full of blue skies and sunshine. :)
I really hope it stays that way so we can enjoy the fireworks.

You are right, Rusalka. That is also why it is so important to research and talk to a medical professional before taking on any major diet changes. A lot of people jump into diets like paleo or atkins or whatever without any thoughts except to lose some pounds and then have side effects like digestion issues (paleo/grain free) or ketoacidosis (low carb/atkins).
For me, grain free helps my digestion, but that is partly because I know to eat plenty of healthy, high fiber fruits, veggies, and nuts instead of bread or rice. Broccoli has about the same amount of fiber as a serving of bran flakes and is the healthier choice for me. I stress for me because everyone is different.


A balanced, healthy diet and regular exercise are key, in my opinion any way, to long term good health. But this special Whole30 diest sounds probably okay for the limited amount of time - 30 days - that you do this. The purpose isn't so much to lose weight, as I understand, but to learn more about your body and its response to specific foods, right?

I think you were really addressing this to Tasha, Sandra but you must be a mind reader too. I have been looking at the information. ;o)


I am lactose intolerant. Not very badly, I can handle cookies or cake or chocolate, but not things like ice cream, whipped cream, milk, chocolate milk etc. Luckily there are soy or lactose-free varieties of almost everything, and I have pills I can take when I do eat something with lots of lactose in it, so it's not so hard to live with.
I have never done any of those Whole 30 diets. I have to admit that the things you have to miss in those kind of diets are often the things I like to eat the most, so I don't feel inclined to start ;-)
With regard to diets in order to lose weight, it seems from scientific studies that all diets work (all diets make you cut calories and that's what makes you lose weight), you just have to stick to them. Forever. When you go back to your normal eating patterns, the weight will be back in no time.


Congratulations on getting your keys to your new house!
Happy New Year to all the folks down under and where it is my tomorrow already!

Another musical death, the drummer John Bradbury, of The Specials died the same day as Lemmy. That day was a proper knock to the world of music!
NYE tonight. Our original plans have fallen through so we will be having a quiet night in on the boat. Probably going to listen to the Craig Charles (Lister from Red Dwarf) Funk & Soul show on BBC Radio 6. We might play a bit of Backgammon and The Rivals for Catan card game. As well as a few drinks. Although I'm not going to overboard as my stomach is still not right from polishing off the Sloe Gin. Oh yes! I forgot to say that the Sloe Gin was very tasty and I'm wishing I'd made another bottle. Tastes a little like calpol perhaps. Would love to hear what plans you guys have for bringing in the New Year.


We're in tonight as all our friends are away or sick. But seeing Lexx seems to have come down pretty quickly throughout the day with the bug too (and I'm still a bit off) it may not be a bad plan. I've just made us margaritas to burn off the cold (totally how it works) so just us, two tiny hot chickens, drinks, books and computer games, maybe a movie later.

We're off to friends this evening, have something to eat together, play some board games, drink some beers, and that's it.
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