A Song of Ice & Fire Fans discussion
Crackpottery - This is where we just throw it all out there.
Anna wrote: "Kenneth wrote: "Stannis will take lead of the white walkers"Well both can't muster up enough emotion to fill a teaspoon, so it would fit perfectly."
Ha ha...this is great!
Amber wrote: "OMG Comments 24 and 27 made me LOL literally. :)I hope one of those happens.
And I could get behind Septa Lemore being Ashara. If you ask me something is up with the Dayne's, they get mentione..."
I agree Amber...#24 and #27 made me laugh!!
You guys are intense with all of your theories....I love it! I just found this group and am so happy to be able to read so many great comments...gives me something to do since finishing ADWDragons and waiting for season 3 on HBO to start. I think this is great too to keep us refreshed while we wait for the next book....
I really believe the only thing that can control the dragons would be a wharg right? So Bran Jon and Arya will all fly the dragons! And the only thing that will be strong enough to kill the wights is dragon fire! That's my theory...
Sam will end up being hand and Maester of the King of the North, which will be Jon of course, and Arya and Brienne will be the first female Kings guard, The king of the North and the King of the North of the Wall will make peace, and Dany will be Queen of the renamed Queens Landing to rule with her( as yet unknown) partner, (JH?) they will join forces and use the dragons to destroy the white walkers.
The Queen of Thorns sits on the Iron throne in the end with Margaery as Hand of the Queen
Tyrion and Sansa become king and queen of Kings Landing and the south with Pod as his hand, and Bronne as his KingsguardDany is the first female queen in the north, with Arya as her hand and lead assasin , with Brienne as her first Queenaguard, with the dragons and the unsullied to protect her.
Bran rules in the midlands taking over the Frey castle with His little bro as hand and the forest people as his protectors.
And we move on into the next century....
May contain spoilers read at your own risk. I was thinking about the dragon riders and how everyone seems to think that you must be a targ to ride one. However, targs traditionally practiced incest so what if you don't have to be a targ but be of pure blood(incest). Targ +targ = Danny so what if Lyanna and Brandon= John . John would then be pure blood. That would leave the third rider who I believe would by princess Myrcella (Jamie+ Cersie). All 3 have also experienced loss as well, Danny her child and husband, John Yigrette and possibly his life, and Myrcella her looks, which could make them combined Azor Ahai. Also it would fit with the original dragon riders being 2 females and one male.
I know it's far fetched but this is the crack pottery thread.
i like that and they could bring the three houses together
I actually think thats pretty damn interesting idea.And hell, its crackpottery, you don't even need support in this thread as far as I'm concerned LOL.
So long as nothing directly contradicts you.
I'm gonna think about that for awhile actually...
Jamie will die in the last book, possibly defending one of his kids he finally recognizes publicly (probably Myrcella). Stannis will sit the Throne for a very short time before he is killed by Varys. Aegon will have the Throne at some point, maybe until Dany lands. Dany will get run out cause she can't play the game. No one holds the Throne when the Walkers come
The dragons melt the throne then die and then they draft a constitution and become a democracy #myworstnightmare
Kenneth wrote: "The dragons melt the throne then die and then they draft a constitution and become a democracy #myworstnightmare"That would be almost comical.
Kenneth wrote: "How is the audio verison? I've heard it's not that great."I've listened to all of the books on audio and they are very well done. Roy Dotrice does a good job with the voices, but either he is getting tired by the 5th book, or he is running out of voices for all the charactors. I'm assuming that there was a reason he didn't originally narrate Dance, maybe it could be health reasons or something like that.
After Dance was put out with the new narrator, there was such an uproar that they pulled the original versioin and republished it with Mr. Dotrice as the narrator. There must have been a good reason for him not to have done it in the first place.
I had purchased the original version, but when I went to download it to a different device, it was no longer in my library. I contacted Audible and within an hour of sending the email, I had the new version ready to download, It was great service.
I am not sure if anyone has noticed or mentioned this before. Anyway, a friend of mine asked me this question so I will ask you guys. Who is Ned Stark's mother?
Answer: she is never mentioned in the books. Why?
His grandmother was from House Flint if that helps haha
I agree that it is weird, I guess she just doesn't play in, but where was she when everything was going down with Lyanna and Brandon?Dead or something?
Also, if she is dead, why didn't Ned build her a statue like he did everyone else?
Sheesh, good question. The man never even thinks about her.
I know Bran see one scene at Winterfell from the past through the tree and it shows a woman conducting a beheading (I think)
Maybe that is Ned' mom? That'd be kinda hardcore...
Amber wrote: "I agree that it is weird, I guess she just doesn't play in, but where was she when everything was going down with Lyanna and Brandon?Dead or something?
Also, if she is dead, why didn't Ned build..."
That was my point and my friend's point exactly. Either there is some major plot that will develop or GRRM made a mistake?
He goes into extreme detail about everybody's house and origins when someone is introduced. For her to not even be mentioned? It doesn't fit how he normally writes, right?
Another good point @Amber. There is not statue. We even see the tombs in the show and I don't remember seeing her there...Just Lyanna. I want to know if she was already dead when everything went down with Brandon and Lyanna too.
Something just doesn't add up. What would GRRM gain (in writing) from not mentioning her is what I have been trying to figure out.
Well, it does seem like she'd merit at least a mention. Like she died when they were young or something. Even Cat and Theon's mother get a passing mention.Also, it is a bit weird that none of the kids even ask about her. I mean, Old Nan plays grandma to them quite a bit, seems like maybe they would wonder where there REAL grandmother is....
Or that Sansa would think about it especially after meeting the Queen of Thornes.
Interesting observation to say the least.
It is strange Martin never mentions Ned's mother. But I thought only the lords/kings of Winterfell were supposed to be buried in the tombs. Didn't Ned say he forced them to make an exception for Lyanna because he loved her so much?
Manda wrote: "It is strange Martin never mentions Ned's mother. But I thought only the lords/kings of Winterfell were supposed to be buried in the tombs. Didn't Ned say he forced them to make an exception for Ly..."You know...I believe you are right. Great job catching that. I almost forgot.
You are right, it is where they bury the kings of the North and also the Lords of Winterfell, so says the wiki. I don't know if Ned had to force anyone to let him put Lyanna down there (since he was the Lord of Winterfell) but he did put her down there because he loved her. Which is a bit random the more I think about it...
Robert does have a bit of a point about putting her to rest somewhere the sun could shine on her. That really seems a bit more loving in my opinion...
I'm not sure that this counts as crackpottery, but I'd love to see Arya come back to Westeros after her training is finished with the Faceless Men, Find Nymeria, then go on a killing spree and take out all the people on her "list".Or maybe find John and fight the Others with him and Ghost.
Yah, I think everyone wants Arya to make her list come true.It's a good list.
Though I do kinda want to know more about Illyn Payne before she kills him.
I'm not sure why but I find him interesting.
Hodor is actually the son(or maybe grandson) of Ser Duncan The Tall and will regain his lost intelligence to become the first of Bran's Kingsguard when Bran becomes King North Of The Wall.
Bryan wrote: "Hodor is actually the son(or maybe grandson) of Ser Duncan The Tall and will regain his lost intelligence to become the first of Bran's Kingsguard when Bran becomes King North Of The Wall."It's possible, but it's much more likely that Brienne is a Dunk descendant.
It's true they both could be.
I saw an interview with Hodor (the actor playing him!) and he said his favorite theory is that he is a Clegane brother and when he was a baby Gregor threw him out the window, which also explains his brain damage.
Is that so? I never heard of that theory! But it's nice to know that something like that exist. Hodor, the innocent Hodor who only says Hodor throughout his life has a savage Clegane blood in his veins. Quite mind-boggling!
I think Martin already confirmed that Brienne is a Dunk descendent, but I can't remember where I read that.
Emma wrote: "Is that so? I never heard of that theory! But it's nice to know that something like that exist. Hodor, the innocent Hodor who only says Hodor throughout his life has a savage Clegane blood in his veins. Quite mind-boggling!"Well... I guess it exists, but you know how theories can be. I wouldn't give much credence to this one. Although, i do like it. I hope Hodor and Sandor (wait a minute: Hodor, Sandor, Gregor... any name theorists out there?), would get together and maybe go have a talk with Robert Strong, or something.
Nonetheless, here's an equally likely theory re Hodor: Old Nan and a giant from beyond the wall are Hodor's great grandparents. That would at least explain Old Nan's familiarity with wildlings lore. And perhaps certain attributes observed by Osha.
Anna wrote: "I think Martin already confirmed that Brienne is a Dunk descendant, but I can't remember where I read that."Yea that theory is more likely. I wouldn't call it a crackpot theory at all.
GRRM said there would be a Dunk descendant in AFFC. He didn't say Brienne but who else could it be?
Brienne uses the same shield Dunk had made for him. She goes to Pennytree, which is where Dunk's mentor was from.
Physical size is a given.
But yea, the GRRM part confirms it pretty much.
I really want Dany to invade Westeros!! It looks like she will be able to gain the loyalty of the Dothraki with the dragon and the Dothraki follow power. So that's the Dothraki, the Unsullied, the mercenaries and all the freed slaves. That's a HUGE force!Victarion coming with the Iron Fleet is the last piece of the puzzle, she just has to worry about taking back her city and that horn that controls dragons...
Recently I reread the series to date. And a couple of crackpot theories came to mind. The first is that Melisandre is behind Jon's stabbing. I'm sure I'm not the first to posit this. But one detail I'll add is that Melisandre switched the bodies–stay with me here–of Ghost and the guy in the ice cell. So Ghost is in the body of the prisoner and the ice cell guy is actually inhabiting Ghost's body.Remember that the guy in the ice cell had been howling of late and that Ghost was acting very uncharacteristically. Ghost had bitten one of Jon's aides and even snarled at Jon. I think Mel did this to remove Ghost's protection from Jon when the attack came.
Another crackpot theory for which I have nothing to back it up is that the Hound is now a member of that monastery Brienne and Jaime visited. The Hound's horse was in use there. And here's the kicker–the priest who hosted Brienne and Jaime is actually Rhaegar Targaryen!
The priest speaks of fighting and losing at the Trident and that he gave it all up to become a priest or monk or whatever he is. If Dondarrion and Catelyn can be resurrected, why not Rhaegar? I'll admit this one is out there but during the reread I wondered who this guy had been. And Rhaegar had always been the pensive type who loved books and philosophy. Anyone care to comment/disprove/disparage? Have at it.
Ted, I like your theory or Jon's stabbing. But, do you think he is really dead?
I do not think Jon Snow is dead or at least won't be forever. I expect the vision of man/wolf/man will hold true. That's the great thing about Westeros in ADWD, death is just a minor inconvenience.
I think Ted has some really interesting theories to think about. whether they have any chance of actually happening or not dosnt really matter lol. there is actually evidence of the Hound possibly being at that monastery. His horse is there. and the conversation the priest has with them about him dying could just mean it was his old life that died and he has now changed. there's also a gravedigger or something that is wandering around who could be him. I also hope Dany gets the support of the Dothraki! however im not sure that will happen since the prophesy said she had to go back before she could go forward. so that could mean she has to loose everything first. but prophesies can be overcome.
and now i have a theory, that i also posted under Jons fate thread. not sure if its been said here as well but ill still say it. If Jon does die there is the possibility he wargs into one of the dragons. I know they are very intelligent and this would probably be difficult. but still possible. Some of the other Starks could also become the dragons. Bran and Sansa. the little remarks people make toward Sansa as being a little bird could be a clue to that. and this would still leave room for those who are meant, to actually still ride the dragons. and this may be how they can be controlled. instead of a horn, its the people who have warged into them that control them.
And sorry this is so long.
Please tell me some of you are watching Jimmy Fallon's "Game of Desks"?
My new theory is that Sansa gets her way in the end and becomes Queen. GRRM married her to Tyrion, he's one of the dragons, Jon and Danny die in the conquering of Westeros, Tyrion becomes king, Sansa queen. Tyrion = bastard targaryen = fire + Sansa = Stark = ice = a song of ice and fire. Sansa gets her hero and love song.
Amber wrote: "Well, it does seem like she'd merit at least a mention. Like she died when they were young or something. Even Cat and Theon's mother get a passing mention.Also, it is a bit weird that none of t..."
In a series of books where lineage matters I find it odd that Ned rarely mentiones his own mother and neither do his children mention a grandmother figure. In such a silence usually it is because something unmentionable has happened, but I wonder what? It makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Ted wrote: "Recently I reread the series to date. And a couple of crackpot theories came to mind. The first is that Melisandre is behind Jon's stabbing. I'm sure I'm not the first to posit this. But one detail..."I think you could be on to something...Very, very interesting theories...I love it!
Ive felt for some time Mel has something to do with Jon's stabbing. Obviously Bowen didn't need any support of doing it but I always found it odd that after Whittlestick stabs him he screams it was not me, it was not me. Almost as if to say something was forcing him to do it. Also ever think that Bowen caused the assignation not because he felt Jon was breaking his vow but because he did it for the Lannisters. Bowen was very supportive of Janos Slynt and was often talking behind the scenes with him.
Jpjk79 wrote: "Ive felt for some time Mel has something to do with Jon's stabbing. Obviously Bowen didn't need any support of doing it but I always found it odd that after Whittlestick stabs him he screams it was..."Bowen is for the Lannisters and I wonder if he thinks by killing Jon he will earn some brownie points from Cersei?...Except he hasn't assassinated Jon....When it comes to those last Jon POV's I have always puzzled over them, because they seem so.....odd.
There is a man in a cell, howling like a wolf...There is a giant going mad and something red is glowing in Mel's room...Then Jon spends 2 hours alone with Tormund-What did they talk about? Ghost is behaving oddly and for a moment Jon thinks Mel is Ygritte...So many odd moments, that it left me thinking a kind of WTF is this chapter about? What is it trying to convey?
In the end GRRM I believe, is not going to introduce an entirely new person as the future king.....So the person who will finally sit on the Iron Throne is already IN the books...We simply haven't cracked the code, that clever GRRUM genius has put in his books.
Sometimes the truth can be hidden in plain sight....;)
Or, in the end there won't even be an Iron Throne.
Dionna wrote: "Or, in the end there won't even be an Iron Throne."Or GRRM goes for the 'I,Claudius' factor and chooses the village idiot...Reek rhymes with are ya freakin kiddin me..Theon becomes king!LOL
Did anyone else get the idea that the horn that Euron Greyjoy had at the Kingsmoot was possibly the horn of Joromun(sorry not sure how to spell it)?
Doesn't Samwell also have a horn? If so, could that be the horn of Joro-whatever?lol Hannah I don't remember how to spell it either.
haha, does he? I don't remember but that's probably a good theory
Yeah, Sam HAD a horn, but for the life of me I can't remember what he did with it.
Cate Blanchett is waaaaay too old to be Cersei and Fiennes isn't old enough.