Lover Revealed
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I felt the same way about Rhev's story. I mean Ehlena did read a little "meh" to me. But I guess she too would have shined more if so much wasn't going on with other characters in that book. I mean heck I was so freaking tempted to skip other people's parts just to get back to them and his twisted half sister and Lash it wasn't even funny. I have no clue on the ghost hunting front either. It seems like her mind wandered off a bit in between scenes about the main characters. I second that, if he wasn't in the city in a club or somewhere and someone caught a glimpse of him. Then I don't want to be thrown out of the main story reading about him. I mean I know she likes trying to set up her next characters' story lines pretty heavily in each book. But still that won the random acts of weirdness in story telling award for me.
I thought the whole talking wizard in Phury's head was kinda stupid. I could have done without that. Even though I like him as a character, his story was just not as interesting to me. But I disagree about Rhev and Ehlena, I really liked their story. We had to have the set up for Lash sense he is a big part of Lover Mine. I do agree though that the whole ghost hunting thing in Lover Mine was aggravating, but I guess that might me a set up for Mhurder in a future book.
Kimi wrote: "Jessi wrote: "Maybe we'll get more about them in this next book....3/27 is taking to long I agree with your thoughts about Phury!!!He is strong and what he chose for himself will be redemption. My favorite Brother up until now is V.. I totally love him, and everything about him... I liked his story, just the end with the Jane undead and all got a little weird for my taste, I would rather have them as Mary and Rhage,,,he deserved it.... Regarding the subplots....I think they are good, I see the series as I read them as If I am watching tv or something, the story is beign told but have really deep supporting characters, and thew sub-plots are good. I understand sometimes you need to have everything in one book, but I think that is why I dig Ward, becasue although I am reading a book about one of the characters in particular, I get introduced to the next books and also here stories of others that complement the BDB world perfectly.... well, anyway..... V,V,V I so want him wrapped up and set to me for my B-Day jajajaja
Ann wrote: "I thought the whole talking wizard in Phury's head was kinda stupid. I could have done without that. Even though I like him as a character, his story was just not as interesting to me. But I dis..."That wizard represented his inner doubts and that inner voice of negativity that I think we all have. But his was always with him. Do to how his own parents treated him, how the brothers sometimes saw him, hell even in his own world he was treated too. He was considered the spare, not as valuable as Zsadist and getting that message all the time I doubt it creates inner feelings of good cheer and joy in him. And it also did represent his addiction. He unlike most others was stronger than just commiting suicide. But he was not able to out run addiction. So to come through all that. I think Phury's story was Ward's epic story of redemption. I actually think most authors try and sneak one of these types of stories to us. But I think we get so used to the harder edged characters around characters like Phury, that we totally by pass his very real humaness and redeemable qualities that aren't often linked to an outward battle but more of a inner one. And to a certain extent I liked Rhev and Ehlena's story. But more so because of Rhev(when you could get back to it). The Lash stuff was great. But Ehlena just read as a former upper crusty society princess that had to get a real job and have the shoe on the other foot of taking care of someone such as her dad. Yea she was a decent nurse. But in the grand scheme of things if she wasn't helping Jane with medical stuff I would be Ehlena whoing all the time. I still say Mhurder could have been brought more closer to the city at least. Ward wrote his part in a news from other states kind of way. Which didn't tie to nada.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Jeanie wrote: "Someone asked for a recommendation for a book/series like the BDB? Sorry, there is absolutely nothing like the BDB ;PI introduced a friend to the BDB recently and it has been grea..."
I don't disagree with you on anything you said. I think my primary disappointment with Lover Enshrined is that Phury was my favorite brother and I wanted a better story for him. I wanted him to find a woman who struck him dumb and made him think that being celibate all those years had been worth it because she was worth waiting for. I actually do get what Ward was going after in Phury's story, I just wanted better for him rather than good enough. Yes, in the end he was happy, but his journey to get there was one big anticlimax after another--Zsadist's ingratitude for Phury's sacrifice, the breaking of Phury's celibacy, and the fizzle rather than sizzle of his romance. Still, even the worst of the BDB is a better read than any other paranormal romance out there, so take any criticism as being in relation to the other books and strictly a matter of personal preference.
I get what you are saying Jeanie. Just my point is that Phury has been different from day one. And in a matter of speaking I saw a lot of myself in him. Being placed in a role that doesn't often get much credit. And at best people like him and I tend to get good enough and will never get that sizzle and wow like other people. Just doesn't always happen that way in fiction or real time. But I do get that it is any criticism of his story is about personal preference. But I think the bigger message is regardless of that preference it is safer to see people and characters from many different angles than what we normally come to expect. Because truly life is not fair and we aren't all going to get the same sizzle and wow factor that seems like the ideal "prize". We have to find it in other ways that suit us better and best if its not the same road others have taken.
Dhfan4life wrote: "I get what you are saying Jeanie. Just my point is that Phury has been different from day one. And in a matter of speaking I saw a lot of myself in him. Being placed in a role that doesn't often ge..."Good guys always finish last? Well, crud, I just hate that. Well,, obviously you are intelligent and well-spoken--well-written?--and I hope you eventually get the wow and sizzle you deserve, disproving the good-guys rule.
I wouldn't call it a good guys finishing last sort of thing. Just that sometimes the good guys go through quite a bit more shit. And have to our own means of happiness in a different way. We can't all be like Wrath, Vishous, or even in this case Zsadist that is oft seen as the more likable twin. But thanks all the same. Flattery will get ya everywhere. ;) And heres to finding good enough whether there be sizzle or just plain good popcorn at the end of the day, lol.
@Kimi It was too f**ked up. I mean first he goes through what he went through and then he gains a mom & dad & a little sibling and in one fell swoop he loses them all...I was heartbroken when John Matthew & Tohrment broke down I was right there with them figuratively speaking.
To be honest, I also think that a large part of the reason that Ward had a hard time telling Phury's story was that nearly all of it was already told while telling Zsadist's story. There wasn't a big reveal like there was for the other brothers.
Very true & we already knew how he sorta felt about Cormia in Vishous' story. I still think she should have did a novella for them. I think I would have been more interested that way. Although I did like how Zsadist started caring again about him after Bella helped him work through some of his issues.
That might be true Ann. But I'm curious as to why it is to much easier to write about the more obviously drama filled characters of Wrath, Vishous, Rhev, even Zsadist. But when it comes down to writing a character that has only dealt with maybe subtle abuse it seems like authors have not a thing to say about them? Or And not picking on you here Jessi. But we as readers feel that such a story should be relegated to a simple short story instead of a fleshed out side of things we can learn and grow from as well?I ask, because I still feel that regardless of how much of a big or small reveal Phury's story was. It still had a right to be told in as big a book as the other brothers. And it also deserved to show what he went through. Yes, he may not have been beaten up or forced into sexual situations against his will. Or never know the struggles of being King or going blind like his fellow brothers. But he still was in affect made to feel less valuable to the point he constantly internalized those negative views of himself. And the only way to comfort himself through that was through the red smoke. I get doing drugs and drinking don't really solve anything but for him he had fewer options of how he could handle that hurt and grief and he went the easy route. But essentially he turned out to be like a phoenix. Died out and was reborn into something new. And I think Zsadist finally admitting how ungrateful he was to Phury for his help might have had something to do with it. Caused a shift between them that readers needed to see. And it was a beautiful thing when he finally got a handle on being the Primale and looking after Cormia and her "sisters" of the choosen. It brought him a new life and to a people that indeed need him and were grateful for his time, attention and being the kind of character he was. I guess that might not sound as exciting to most. But I know of see it as him re-making himself through giving himself to others that need him. Kind of like working for a non-profit that helps the homeless or something.
To be honest, I absolutely love Phury's story and he is one of my favorite brothers. I also really like the switch from the early more "romance focused" books to the much more plot heavy style of the later books. I am only speculating why others might not have liked the book so much. Phury is also a neurotic and insecure person, and to me that is much more relatable than the other brothers. However, that may be why people didn't like him as much. Cormia was so timid and he was really trying to be sweet to her, and I enjoyed it. Sure it could have been better, but what couldn't? She is a human who is figuring it out as she goes, and I definitely feel like I got my $7.99 worth of enjoyment out of the story.
However, I am a mega-fan and super apologist for Ward. I would be excited if she wrote the instruction manual to a toaster. (Maybe it would start out "This book is dedicated to YOU! I never realized how strong you are all those years I ate breakfast. I will never look at my Ego waffles the same way again! Much Love!)
I liked Phury in the other books I was just disappointed in how his book flowed. And I think that even though Zsadist story told alot of Phury's story the WARDen still could have done a better job of telling Phury's story. He was less screwed up then his other brothers true but he was still more screwed up then most people I know. Maybe if she would have teased us a bit by him showing interest in Cormia before his book or maybe if she wouldn't have told so much of his story in Vishous' book I could have like his book more or connected with it more...IDK!!! Maybe I'll go back and reread it because you ladies do make excellent points. Maybe I'll like it better the 3rd time around.
I wasn't even shooting for a re-read but that always helps. :D
Nope I like it when people give me a different POV that makes me think hmmm I should reread that. Because I don't know everything and I love being challenged in that way it keeps me on my toes :-)
Even better. Trying to learn that a bit more this year myself. Particularly where the job market is concerned but with other aspects of life as well.
My grandmother always told me "Child, you're never too old to learn something new & never let yourself get to complacent that nothing is a challenge. Keep the people around you that will challenge you & make sure that you'll never completely learn the steps to whatever dance you happen to be dancing"...:-)
Wise granny for sure on that one. I like that.
To answer DHfan4life, I sure do agree that Phury's story deserves it's place with the other Brotherhood books. Hell yeah it does. I just didn't enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed some of the others. We all have our favorites, not because it wasn't drama filled beause I think it was. Dealing with someone who has a drug addiction is very drama filled and thats basiclly what we find that Phury is struggling with. It may be my own experiances that made me not like that story as much. I've dealt with people who have additcions and its difficult and painful. Anyway I still do like Phury, and I love that J.R. works really hard at creating complex, flawed but beautiful characters.
That she does. Now just want a decent story for Qhuay and to find Lover Reborn on the cheap. I still can't believe how high they have it. 15.99 for a e-book copy. Cringe to think about the hardcover. :(
LADIES BIG NEWS ABOUT THE NEXT BDB BOOK...SHE'S WRITING A FULL LENGTH HARDCOVER BOOK ABOUT QHUINN & BLAY!!!!!! CHECK OUT THIS LINK BELOWhttp://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com...
Jessi wrote: "LADIES BIG NEWS ABOUT THE NEXT BDB BOOK...SHE'S WRITING A FULL LENGTH HARDCOVER BOOK ABOUT QHUINN & BLAY!!!!!! CHECK OUT THIS LINK BELOWhttp://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com......"
I heard! It was on her facebook page. At my age time flies anyway but now I want a year to go by really really fast!!!!
LOL...and to think we were just talking about how we wanted them to have a book...Hmm I wonder if this will be the last one???
Jessi wrote: "LADIES BIG NEWS ABOUT THE NEXT BDB BOOK...SHE'S WRITING A FULL LENGTH HARDCOVER BOOK ABOUT QHUINN & BLAY!!!!!! CHECK OUT THIS LINK BELOWhttp://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com......"
WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Jessi wrote: "LOL...and to think we were just talking about how we wanted them to have a book...Hmm I wonder if this will be the last one???"Oh Lord I hope not!
I heard about this one too. I'm glad she is giving them a full book. I just hope for a change that they get more story time in their own book and cut down on some of the sub plots. I mean it might be great to see some other characters and what they are into. But this is a long awaited couple, I just hope she pushes them in the trunk and every one else is driving the story like she has done before.I've heard through the grapevine that she is planning on some books with Trez and Iam and something with wolf charcters she plans on calling wolfen or something.
I'll read whatever she wants to write!
I like Qhuin and blay, but I'm not one who has ever been on the Q/B need a book all their own bandwagon. While I'd like to see them get together, I don't want any of the full-on sex scenes other couples have had--guy-on-guy sex just isn't my thing. A series developing Trez and Iam would be cool.
Personally, I want a hot and heavy for Qhuinn and Blay! They deserve it and so do all of the other gay couples who enjoy the series!
Not taking a political stand or anything but...
Hey, MM can be HOT!
Not taking a political stand or anything but...
Hey, MM can be HOT!
Teebee wrote: "Personally, I want a hot and heavy for Qhuinn and Blay! They deserve it and so do all of the other gay couples who enjoy the series!Not taking a political stand or anything but...
Hey, MM can ..."
Yeah I thought the stuff she did with V and Butch was hot and they never got together! So I'm very anxious for the next level.
OMG! You really should go onto her website.... She has a " dream seq." where V has a dream that He and Butch had their hot and heavy! YOU'LL LOVE IT!!
Nothing wrong with a good MM or FF, IMO
I have to admit that this book ties with my favorite and Z's.... Both different types but delicious in different ways.... Now you make me want to read this again!
Teebee wrote: "OMG! You really should go onto her website.... She has a " dream seq." where V has a dream that He and Butch had their hot and heavy! YOU'LL LOVE IT!!"Where can I find the dream seq? I couldn't find it
Thanks! I'll read it today...slow work day it'll give me something to do.
Happy reading!! it's a great website just to catch up with what the Brothers are doing!
It was definitely a good story! YUM!
RIGHT!!!! If Qhuinn and Blay's story is half as hot...Damn right they deserve a full book!!!
I totally agree and now can't wait for that book to come out and I'm only on book 7, lol
Oh y'all! I just finished Lover Reborn and WOW! It was AWESOME!!!! And yep there is a little set up in there for the next book to be Quinn and Blay's! I'm dying here..I don't know how I'm gonna make it a whole year for that book!!!!!
I've yet to read it but am anxious to do so.
Lover Reborn made me fall in love with the BDB series all over again!!!
I need to add Marissa to your list.
Michelle wrote: "Sharon wrote: "I know I'm in the minority on this one but my favorite character/book is Rhage. I just loved his and Mary's story! I read something on the author's website once that made me think sh..."Rhage is my fav brother, probably because he's decribed as so damn hot but I also think he's really funny. His book was the one that really got me hook for the series. I had to go to the book store the next day after work and get the rest of them. I'm almost half way dome Lover Mine now.
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I have to agree with you and I think the reason Phury's book wasn't good was because there was too much going on besides his story, not because I didn't like him as a character. With so many other subplots in his book, I don't think Ward did a good job developing Cormia's character for instance and that was a shame.
And, WTF was that part about ghost hunting? I don't remember which book was it but who freaking cares about Mhurder at this point?