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Why don't more people read Self-published authors?
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It's annoying to say the least.
I'm on wattpad lots reading as well. There, you find the unpublished and unseasoned...but it's not hard to find a good read.
I don't discriminate. *shrug*

That is great to hear Lyla, we as self-published authors, really appreciate your support. I to read self-pubs and love discovering new talent. I love giving other self-pubs reviews. I know it means so much to them.

It doesn't stop me from recommending, though. ;)
Keep the faith and stay hopeful. :)

well, you get the picture. I'm on a self-published author kick right now and not really reading any of the books from a bestselling list of authors I read prior to launching my own.
I also don't need a review to tell me what I like. Will the review sometimes intrigue me? The answer is, sometimes. But if I want to read a book that has a storyline that grabs me, I will buy it, read it, and enjoy it even if 75 other people didn't enjoy it.
I'm not reading anything at the moment but that's because I'm trying to finish writing my own. And after that, will go directly into finishing the third and final book of The Evil Trilogy. I have quite a long TBR list which I will eventually get around to reading. :)

All I read are Indie and self-pubbed books anymore.
To me, the "Big-6" books have become a carnival of the cliche.
I'm sick of the same-ol-same-ol from them, and so I've moved on to greener pastures.
I just wish more of the self-pubs would hold their editing standards a bit higher and have a professional (or at least semi-professional) editor polish their work.
Other than that, I don't have any complaints.
In fact, I just finished James Gillaspy's
A Larger Universe

And I must say it was a really fun read.
I haven't read anything like it since Heinlein's starship troopers.
It's a great YA science fiction novel for anyone interested. :)
Currently I'm one-third the way through David George Richard's The Friendly Ambassador: Walking with the Enemy

It's proving to be quite an exceptional read.
Are there bad Indie and Self-pubbed books out there?
Yep, there certainly are, but there are also some real steaming piles of feces from the Trad-pubs as well.
The difference is that in the Indie and self-pubbed world you don't get the gatekeeping that has made the Trad-pubs a literary "meme-mill".
Currently I'm attempting to put together a "Premium Indie SF List" at my blog.
http://www.nexusarcana.com/forums/ent...
-Kodai

I'm published both ways. And I'm proud to be a self published author of 4 books.
As long as there are readers that enjoy my work, I'll continue to publish more books.




Agreed Mr. Rory.
Although I make time to read fiction in the genre that I write, I also find that lately I'm reading more and more non-fiction books as I research new material for my own Science Fiction novels.
Guess that just comes with the territory of being a writer.
-Kodai


Good post. There are plenty of good books and stories out there we'll never see because the BIG publishers only touch blockbusters. as I often hear at conferences, "writing is an art, publishing is a business." But since we writers want an audience, we have to work as hard at marketing as the writing.
Laura Moe

Many times, I'm sad to say, I can tell by the writing in the sample if something's been self-published and if it's that apparent in the sample (I then verify almost always correctly) and move on.
Note that I don't move on because it was self-pubbed; I move on because the sample didn't grab me, didn't hold me and didn't impress me.

I love your attitude Kodai. That's awesome! I've started reading a lot of self-published novels for that reason too. And I've noticed that there are great novels on both sides of the publishing pool.
I am greatful to join the world of self-pub. as both an avid reader and a writer. As a reader, some of my favorite authors had gotten stale. One of my favorites used up her main character to the extent that she had one beloved character try to rape the othe one. Right now, I am discovering fresh new authors that I'm meeting on twitter and goodreads. Some could be edited a little more but it doesn't bother me in the least. For the price, I can buy 10 new authors' books for the price of one of the old ones. Since I read one or two books a day, it works for me. None of my old favorites are worth 10 times more than the fresh new ones.

As has been said by others in this thread, some of the traditionally published books aren't all that great, either. Because the author is well-known, it doesn't seem to matter if the book is good or not as long as it's churned out into the market and can be sold just on the author's name.
No doubt there is a lot of dross out there in the self-published field, but I think there are many gems as well. One never knows unless one gives the book a try. Okay, so what if you waste a few dollars on a book you didn't like? That can happen on either side of the publishing pool.
As an avid reader, I look for books that pique my interest and intrigue me. It doesn't matter if they are self-published or traditionally published.

Seriously, I hope that you'll find it meets the standards for your list. (So far, none of the reviews are from friends or relatives, and only one early review was part of a review swap.)

I think some people are just book snobs. If the author does not have a traditional deal, they're obviously not good enough, but that is not the case. Some stories are continually turned down by agents and publishers because they don't fit the current reading trends or because they don't know how to market it. Some are turned down because the query letter is not good enough. In my opinion, these are not good reasons.


Thank you Heather. :)
I agree, there are still authors from the Trad-pubs that I like to read (Susan Collins, Poul Anderson, Larry Niven, etc), but now the Indie-pubs and Self-pubs outnumber them.
I am a big fan of Marshall S. Thomas (Soldier of the Legion), Nick Thomas (Battle Earth) , Michael Thomas, Philip Chen (Falling Star), and Leslie Woods Davis (Rune Logic).
I enjoy mostly military science fiction, and since that niche genre has never had a very wide appeal, the number of Trad-pubbed books for the genre were few.
The ebook revolution changed all that and there is now a buffet of military SF books (keeping me quite happy at the moment).
Crossover books have gotten me to read romance (like Leslie's book, its a SF romance novel) which I would never have read before ebooks.
I veiw the ebook revolution as a very positive thing for publishing as a whole.
The old "Dinosaur Media" needs to either evolve with this change or go extinct.
Personally, I think the Big-6 will come around and make the transition, they're just being slow about it.



I'm EXTREMELY picky about GOOD storytelling, and not all authors are sophisticated enough to be conscious of weakness in their own craftsmanship.
Even reader reviews can be disappointing because many, maybe most, casual readers don't notice the glaring irritations that make a book unreadable to me.
I wouldn't reject any book out-of-hand because of who published it. On the other hand, bad experience has made me much more wary about buying any book that just looks interesting because I can no longer completely trust that somebody with SOME literary training has decided the thing was at least minimally readable.
The bottom line here is not whether a book is self-publised or not but if it is to your taste. We all know best-selling authors who we finally buy one of their books to see why it's a best seller and wonder how in the world this person could become a best selling author. I recently read four books by an author that was on the best-seller list every time to see why. I could only stomach three. She writes the same book over and over. The settings are different and the characters have different names. but she's been a best seller for years.
One of the things we self-published authors have to overcome is the fact that such a large percentage of people need to be told what to like. If a book is already a best seller, they want to read it.
If someone is already a star that's who people want to see. Actors and singers have the same problem. How many people do you know who sing better than anyone you've seen on TV but they never had the breaks.
Do you know what The producer said about Fred Astair when he went for his first audition? "Can't sing, can't act, but can dance a little."
I think this new world of self-pub and e-books is like the reality shows for stars. It's a matter of finding your target audience, the group of people who, once they read one of your books, they want to see more.
One of the things we self-published authors have to overcome is the fact that such a large percentage of people need to be told what to like. If a book is already a best seller, they want to read it.
If someone is already a star that's who people want to see. Actors and singers have the same problem. How many people do you know who sing better than anyone you've seen on TV but they never had the breaks.
Do you know what The producer said about Fred Astair when he went for his first audition? "Can't sing, can't act, but can dance a little."
I think this new world of self-pub and e-books is like the reality shows for stars. It's a matter of finding your target audience, the group of people who, once they read one of your books, they want to see more.

That is so true. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. It's so frigging frustrating! Grrrr.

Having picked up a book by another author, whose work has been turned into films, I found the writing boring, and the characters terrible. That's not to say it's bad (okay, I am saying that, but that's just my opinion), but it really wasn't for me.
As for finding many self-published books unedited ... I'll make no excuses here, as I'm as guilty of this as many other self-published authors. The first edition of Liberator's Ruin was terrible. I thought I'd caught all the errors, but I was very quickly proven wrong! They have (I hope) all been sorted now.
The reality is, that without the resources of a publishing company, self-published authors have to hire an editor, which is bloody expensive. I was lucky that some very kind people here on Goodreads offered to help. Of course, errors creep into published novels - don't get me started on a book that used 'weary' where it should have read 'wary'!
Since, for over 40 years, I was averaging reading 1-2 book a day, I have read thousands of books. I don't think I ever read a book that didn't have any errors. I read Atlas Shrugged during this past summer and found two errors. That book was written in 1957, so you'd think all the bugs would be out by now.
Books are written, edited, published by humans. If you can afford to pay for an editor without the backing of a big publishing company, then you're lucky. But that doesn't guarantee your books are going to have no mistakes. If a reader has to judge my writing by my humanity, I don't want him/her reading my books. Writing a book takes a lot of time and emotional energy. When I'm writing I'm laughing, crying and all the emotions. There are some mistakes in some of my books. I do the best I can and hopefully as I sell more books I can afford to hire some help. I have a proofreader right now who proofreads my books in exchange for reading my books. She works for the local newspaper and she loves my books.
I'm finding so many really good fresh new authors who are self-published for $0.99. Why would I pay ten times as much for an e-book? Are any of those 10 times better? I don't think so.
I read one new author I found who can't seem to get straight where quotation marks are suppose to go. But he's an excellent writter and his plots are wonderful.
As my Southern belle mama used to say, "Honey, don't sweat the small stuff. And if you can't find anything positive to say about someone, just shut up."
Books are written, edited, published by humans. If you can afford to pay for an editor without the backing of a big publishing company, then you're lucky. But that doesn't guarantee your books are going to have no mistakes. If a reader has to judge my writing by my humanity, I don't want him/her reading my books. Writing a book takes a lot of time and emotional energy. When I'm writing I'm laughing, crying and all the emotions. There are some mistakes in some of my books. I do the best I can and hopefully as I sell more books I can afford to hire some help. I have a proofreader right now who proofreads my books in exchange for reading my books. She works for the local newspaper and she loves my books.
I'm finding so many really good fresh new authors who are self-published for $0.99. Why would I pay ten times as much for an e-book? Are any of those 10 times better? I don't think so.
I read one new author I found who can't seem to get straight where quotation marks are suppose to go. But he's an excellent writter and his plots are wonderful.
As my Southern belle mama used to say, "Honey, don't sweat the small stuff. And if you can't find anything positive to say about someone, just shut up."
I would never choose a book by the publisher. I enjoy reading in several genres and have read about a dozen travel memoirs written by self-published authors. Several of them struck me as even better than the ones I had read by one of the "Big Guys."
As for the editing, I think too many authors rely on the spell-check, which will not catch mistakes if the word is actually a word. In books by the traditional publishers with an experienced editor I've found (too, when it should be to, from when it should be form) and a few other mistakes of that type. As for "passive" writing, my spell-check nags me quite often about that. Some I correct and some I leave, because I think my way reads better. If all of us would read our work out loud once in awhile before we submit it, we'd catch a lot more of our mistakes. Better yet, ask someone to read it to us.
As for the editing, I think too many authors rely on the spell-check, which will not catch mistakes if the word is actually a word. In books by the traditional publishers with an experienced editor I've found (too, when it should be to, from when it should be form) and a few other mistakes of that type. As for "passive" writing, my spell-check nags me quite often about that. Some I correct and some I leave, because I think my way reads better. If all of us would read our work out loud once in awhile before we submit it, we'd catch a lot more of our mistakes. Better yet, ask someone to read it to us.

Yes, the big guys still have errors in their books, so readers should give us little guys a bit of a break.

My novel, The Stygian Conspiracy was edited, proofread, and beta-read (23 persons), prior to being published.
Most of the mistakes were weeded out, but not all.
However, even a great writer like J.R.R. Tolkien had to re-edit his books continuously.
http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien...
This is why it is so important--with the ease of editing ebooks--for authors to ask, beg, and plead with readers to tell them about any mistakes in their books.
Ebooks--in most cases--can be edited quickly and re-uploaded again with the mistakes corrected.
I'm already bugging my publisher about minor style corrections I'd like to make in my own work in the ebook and any future prints of the hardcover.
I think it unwise for any author or publisher to assume that the job of editing is done once he/she finishes the story and a few edits.
The larger the book, the more mistakes it is likely to have, and so the more people that proof-read it first, the better.
But that's just my opinion.
-Kodai

I'm glad I did-- it made an enormous difference in readability. But even with numerous eyeballs, there were still a handful of small things I caught later and corrected before anyone else spied them.
Errors happen, but it's important to control what you can to make a read clean and not draw the reader unduly from the story.

Yes, the big guys still have errors in their book..."
Too bad Goodreads doesn't have a like button! I like your comment!

I've been a serious writer for almost ten years and a career (public and academic) librarian for over thirty. When I began writing, I had an absolute, pig-headed prejudice against self-publishing. Earlier in my career, I saw way too many bad self-pubbed books. I wasn't going to be "one of those" authors.
Ha! Joke's on Me!! After putting in time to hone the craft, finding beta readers, paying for professional editing (same person who used to edit in NY and now is a contract editor, both for Big 6 and us "indies"), and jumping through every hoop I saw between me and a book worthy of being in the world, I self-published. It was freeing, and frightening. Which, I think, is a pretty good way to live life.
Do "indie" books have errors? You bet. Despite my best efforts, my beta readers and my not-cheap and excellent professional editor, a librarian colleague of mine read 4 Gigs of Trouble and emailed me with two errors! Thankfully, they were small errors. I signed up for an InDesign (book formatting software) class at my local community college. It starts today. Going forward, I'll have the tools to confidently fix errors, without messing up the book formatting.
Now, do "Big Six" books have errors? I think you all know the answer to that, but in case not...well... OF COURSE!
Great discussion!
I'm sorry, but as much as I read, if I can continue to get really good books for $0.99 id will continue to do so. All of my books are $0.99. And, like I said, my books are hard work physically, intellectually and emotionally. There are no trees involved and the publishing is free. I feel that with e-books, everybody wins and I love win win situations. If someone tell me they enjoyed my books, that's worth more than money.

In my opinion, it was unprofessional. I wish she would have at least let me know. This is not the only time I got the shaft while working with agents and or publishers. Now I have gone out on a limb and published my books myself as ebooks. Now I have to put up with that same attitude that I had, so I guess it's true. What goes around comes around.
Good for you for doing it yourself. Looking back over my frustration in trying to get my first book published the traditional way, I'm sorry I wasted the time and emotional energy. I think publishers etc. will one day be out of jobs.
Have you read the book, HOW I SOLD ONE MILLION E-BOOKS IN FIVE MONTHS by John Locke? He makes some good points about why publishers have to be so choosy and why self-publishing is such a good idea.
Have you read the book, HOW I SOLD ONE MILLION E-BOOKS IN FIVE MONTHS by John Locke? He makes some good points about why publishers have to be so choosy and why self-publishing is such a good idea.

For me I want to read something that excites me and interests me. It doesn't matter if it is from a new author or a famous one. The story is what is important. I don't even focus that much on reviews because no matter what someone else thinks, I have to give the story a try for myself.

Yes, I read Locke's book. He did have some good advice.

Locke's "How I Sold..." was a decent read. I definitely picked up some tips from him. :)
To answer the initial question, I read *everything*! Trad, self-pub, small press, large press, anything! It really bums me out how some people immediately dismiss a book because they hear it was indie-pubbed. I've read some absolutely fantastic indie books and some absolutely dreadful trad books!
To me, a good book is a good book, regardless of where it comes from. If the blurb and the sample grab my attention, I'll download it no matter what. :)
Whether a book is good or bad is not a black and white issue. It's a matter of taste. Is everyone going to like my books? No. Does everyone like Stephen King? If you asked my best friend, she would say his books are good. I gave them a chance, I really did, but they're just not my kind of books. They are neither good or bad.
Some people have never grown up and need someone else to tell them what to like, so they rely on reviews and ratings My first novel got two bad reviews, no not just bad reviews, they were totally trashing my book. It didn't seem to make a dent in the sales though. So there are still a lot of people out there who can still think for themselves, lucky for me!!
Some people have never grown up and need someone else to tell them what to like, so they rely on reviews and ratings My first novel got two bad reviews, no not just bad reviews, they were totally trashing my book. It didn't seem to make a dent in the sales though. So there are still a lot of people out there who can still think for themselves, lucky for me!!

Of course people like different *kinds* of stories and styles of writing. Some people like Hemingway; others like Faulkner. That's taste.
The question of *good writing* isn't whether I like the story or not, it's whether there is a strong,consistent theme with a sufficiently wide appeal (even if it doesn't especially appeal to *me*), whether characters are consistent, dialogue advances the plot or illuminates character, language is sensory and uses active verbs; whether threads are left untied, sentence structure is monotonous, scenes fail to advance the story etc.
None of that is a matter of opinion or even of taste. It can be measured and quantified, and it is a reliable measure of how many people will enjoy the story and how many will never read anything by that author again even if they can't exactly say why.
Some people are more conscious of those factors than others, but the reason they apply is because humans all tend to process language and read other people in the same way.

Hi Kodai. Like you, I have long enjoyed reading military SF, mostly from Baen. For your info, my military SF novel STAR VIGILANTE will be self-published on Amazon in a few months. Until then, feel free to read the first chapter at my author page of http://www.sff.net/people/t-jackson-king and to send me an email at my hotmail address with your thoughts. I think it's a decent start to what I enjoyed writing about--the relationship between a mostly human cyborg vigilante guy and an albino human/alien crossbreed woman. Tom.
Little Brother's WorldT. Jackson King



Thank you T. Jackson.
It is always nice to connect with other SF enthusiats.
I'll give your sight a look-see. :)
Here's the website for my book series.
http://www.nexusarcana.com
-Kodai
It's exciting, it's a whole new era. Book writing and publishing will never be the same again. It will take some longer than others to adjust. Take a chance. Read a $0.99 e-book. What do you have to lose. Live a little. Think outside the tiny box. lol!!
That's why we have goodreads and twitter etc. so we can meet all these wonderful fresh new authors. I'm having a blast.!!

I know for myself, I didn't realize just how many more authors there were out there until I joined Goodreads. Now I'm regularly feeding my addiction to the point that I'm almost drowning in new I-want-to-read-that reads.
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