Inheritance
discussion
Disappointed about Eragon and Arya?
message 151:
by
Weston Glory
(last edited Mar 31, 2012 04:54AM)
(new)
Mar 31, 2012 04:48AM
Because ultimately Paolini thought hooking them up by the end of Inheritance would be too soon for them. Which is why they don't get together but still were developed throughout the book and their story left open ended. In short, the end of Inheritance wasn't the end of Eragon and Arya's story or their chance at a real relationship.
reply
|
flag
Wg wrote: "Because ultimately Paolini thought hooking them up by the end of Inheritance would be too soon for them. Which is why they don't get together but still were developed throughout the book and their ..."Well, when you put it that way...
Forget kiss, the way those two were into each other, I honestly think sex would be more appropriate.
who would have thought that their relationship didn't go any further?Nevertheless,whispering their true names shows at least that their relationship was something more than just friends...
DAMN YOU PAOLINI !!!
i could not believe paolini did that. Four. Years. and they didn't even hook up. i knew it wasn't going to end well when arya was like, "well, maybe in ten years." i was so mad at her.
you guys still arent over this?? still, i agree but remember, in our world, it was four years but for them, it was only a few months, not even a year yet... to be honest, i didnt like arya much anyway, she was all like:
'Im the elven princess Arya who is was too good for anyone and i just like to prance around in leather all day telling people how much better i am than them...indirectly ofcourse.'
While Eragon was like 'Arya, plzz i love you an' even tho we may be rushin into this, it's OK cuz i just saved your life'...
saphira was the worst!!! she was all like: 'OMG a male dragon, i mean, ive met like 3 already but im gonna rape the green one cuz hes got a deep voice, and im gonna ignore Eragon from here-on-in cuz this hatchling is so much more worth-it than my rider, my partner of heart and mind (and all that rubbish)'
Paolini, you couldve planned this out better -.-
In elf years, Arya is still a young woman. She reminds me of some young people I've met in life who have had many advantages and her being a princess at the time, well she's a bit stuck up.Eragon never said or thought that he and Arya should be together because he saved her life. He expected that when Arya saw the fairth that she would be upset like before. Instead she gave him her true name which is a very rare and intimate practice even in elf culture. Eragon knows that Arya has never told anyone this before so his question was a very fair one and he wasn't trying to rush her into anything. But when Arya gave him what she once said was the "most precious thing one person can give another", he was going to ask.
Saphira... I have no arguments there.
Finally, Arya didn't say maybe in ten years, she said perhaps in time. What she worried about was Eragon losing interest in her in ten years or even five. At this point in the story, Arya likes the way Eragon sees her, it's why she kept the fairth this time. She wasn't ready yet to be in a relationship with Eragon knowing that it might not work out. That's what she meant when she said she didn't want to make a mistake with him, his being too important to her and Alagaesia. The end of Inheritance wasn't the last time they are going to see each other by any means. Paolini could have planned it out better but he has made it clear more than a few times that the end of the book was just the very beginning of their relationship, not it's end.
Wg wrote: "In elf years, Arya is still a young woman. She reminds me of some young people I've met in life who have had many advantages and her being a princess at the time, well she's a bit stuck up.Eragon..."
I guess you're right, Im still not satisfied though...
'Saphira...I have no arguments there' LOOL XD
LOL Seriously I don't. When Arya said she didn't want to make a mistake with Eragon, I knew exactly what she was talking about. She and Eragon sounded much more like someone should sound like when they're thinking of being in a relationship with their best friend.
tru...i guess shes still sad over losing Faolin, she doesnt want to make the same mistake...
The more I thnk about it, I'm not so sure that Eragon and Arya should be together. I mean, she's got a lot of baggage and I'm not quite sure he would be able to understand what she's been through right now. He's been through some tough stuff too, but not like her.Eragon probably should be with someone a few decades closer to his age if he plans to find a life-mate right now.
But maybe in a few decades or centuries...
On the contrary Elisabeth, I think Eragon and Arya should be together because baggage or not, I think Eragon is the only one that really does get Arya. Likewise with Arya getting Eragon. That's why I think they could tell each other their true names though they knew each other for less than two years. In my opinion, it's no coincidence how closely they became attached to each other in such a short time despite Arya's baggage and Eragon's young age. They're very compatible. I also don't think that either were looking for mates per se, they just more or less found one in each other. That happens.
well, lizzy (can i call you that?) has a point... Eragon and Arya have too much of an age gap, it would be kinda awkward, like, when he was born, she was still the same age as now, its plain weird
They have an age gap, no doubt about it but I really don't find it weird. Eragon nor Arya look old. In fact, they look far closer to the same age than they actually are and always will. Immortality works on a different set of rules than mortality does. Arya looks like she's in her early 20's which means at the oldest, she looks 23, at the youngest, 20. Eragon looks like his actual age which as of Inheritance was 17, either way that's a small distance. Physical appearances do matter. You don't go for looks alone (and these two don't) but there's no doubt it played a part in their attraction to one another regardless of the age gap. If Eragon was pushing sixty and mortal for instance, I don't think he could have set off that bright spark in Arya's eyes (in other words turn her on) like he did in their sparring match. And if Arya looked like a hundred year old mortal human, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The older they get, the less relevant that age gap will be. Eragon won't get any younger. For me, the strongest case is still that they've shown themselves able to more or less bear their soul to one another and trust each other completely. Be accepted for exactly who they are. Like I said, they're very compatible.
still, i don't like them as a couple, i dont even find it fair that Eragon and Arya shared a few moments while Murtaugh and Nasuada shared only the time in the dungeon when he came down to burn her...(there were other moments but still)
Yeah...somebody should start a whole new topic about Murtagh and Nasuada...now there's a romance I didn't get...But back to Arya and Eragon.
About the age difference, I don't think it was so much the physical differences as the mental ones. Arya has the wisdom of decades in her head, like she said in Eldest. Her mind is way ahead of his. While he did some catching up in Brisingr and Inheritance, he's still not quite at her level. But he could catch up with time and, more importantly, experience.
When Arya talked to Eragon about Faolin, she told him that Faolin was older than her but they were kindred spirits. That's how I see Eragon and Arya. They act contrary to expectation. You're right Elisabeth, Arya's mind is way ahead of Eragon's, but I don't take that all too seriously when they can talk and even laugh more easily with each other than anyone else. Time and experience will always help in their relationship but Eragon doesn't need time or experience to connect with Arya. He already knows how to do that.
I forgot about Faolin being older, I guess shes used to that then, and obviously Eragon doesn't mind the age-gap. The mental differences (as mentioned by Liz) are very great but he is trying to catch up so i guess he gets points for effort. They also do seem comfurtable with eachother so i guess we can expect to see a stronger relation between the two in the coming book. I just hope Paolini hasn't forgotten about Nasuada and Murtaugh, they're my fav couple!
Well, maybe I'm wrong. Now that you put it that way, Wg and Annabana, I'm starting to have second thoughts. I HATE COMPLICATED LOVE STORIES!!!
No, wait...complications are what makes the good ones interesting, right? The struggle, the angst, the suspense, the conflicts...oh, well. At least I can be grateful that this wasn't another one of those confounded love triangles. But then again, you could argue that Fäolin was the third corner...*heaves a sigh*...like I said, complicated.
: )
That's how Paolini described Arya's feelings for Eragon, complicated but she cares for him a great deal. Just another way of saying Arya has feelings for Eragon but isn't ready for a serious relationship with him yet. Eragon is uncharted territory. Arya never told anyone her true name before, not even Faolin. It's intimacy, perhaps for the first time.
technically...faolins dead so i dont think he counts much, also, arya seems closer to eragon now than she did with faolin then, which is proved by Wg when they talk about the tru names, so, this isn't really that complicated, its just waiting for Arya to actually want to get into a serious relation with eragon, and that will probably have happened by the next book
I don't think them not ending up together is a bad thing. They didn't have any believable romance at any point in this series. She doesn't have a character until Eldest where she rejects his advancements. Then really there's no moment between Eldest and Brisingr that we see any reason why she suddenly warms up to him. They don't spend enough time in the novel to build any connection. By the time Inheritance rolls around, well now they are friends why. It's one thing I think he got right in this book.
In my opinion, people are always looking in the wrong place for Arya warming up to Eragon. It was never between Eldest and Brisingr. It was Eldest itself. Eragon was the only real friend Arya had made since Faolin died. The series has shown that Arya doesn't make friends easily nor does she trust easily. But she does both with Eragon eventually to the point where for the first time in her life, she's willing to tell someone who she truly is. She was fond of him from the beginning. As a friend at the time, but nevertheless, she liked him, enjoyed his company. If you notice how Arya described Faolin, she didn't talk how handsome he was (though I'm sure she thought he was handsome), she talked about how he was someone who she could talk to, who knew who she was and where she came from. That's eventually what Eragon is able to do with Arya as well, better than anyone. Brisingr was Arya starting to move on. It started as impulse but in Inheritance, Arya started to become more deliberate in her actions. I thought the end of Inheritance wasn't the right time for them to get serious though. Too much they both had to do and besides..."An epic romance is in your future , extrordinary, as the moon indicates-for the is a magical symbol- and strong enough to outlast empires." so where is the epic romance that will last for ages?. this cant be the end of arya and eragon if what angela said was true right?.
As I said above, Arya and Eragon are still just at the beginning of their lives. They're going to live for many hundreds years more. Their story is far from over.
I actually liked the ending...because I actually like cliffhangers. Call me weird, but I like how the ending leaves me room to dream instead of telling everything.But I agree, Eragon and Arya will almost certainly meet again. It's kind of like they were meant to be.
Inheritance cycle was the book series that got me into reading. So I waited every single day for the last book. then finally when the book came, I took a quick peek at the last page and deciphered one word Arya. when I read the whole book I kept on thinking "another they lived happily ever after". the second I read the last sentence. I WAS LIKE "WHAT THE HEEELLLL!!!!". I read the last two pages a hundred times to check that crappy ending ever existed. Christopher paolini. you suck!!!!!!!!!!!
I stomped around in my room after that.
BUT they is a chance because I heard paolini said that arya and eragon were not over.
finger crossed though it'll probably 3 years when he announces he was starting another book
Mariana wrote: "i hate christopher paolini so much right now . -.-'' how could he ? :'c"I agree. I wan't to know why the savior of Alagasia is destined for a life without love.
Overall, I think that Paolini took the easy way out by making Arya the queen and the newest Rider. It was way too predictable, and I thought it was kind of silly. However, I'm not even a huge fan of the fact that Arya and Eragon were "together" for those final few pages. It was just too cheesy, and I just jsdfjwelkjsfj IDEK. I didn't like it very much mainly because of the fact that it was so predictable.
rayful wrote: "Overall, I think that Paolini took the easy way out by making Arya the queen and the newest Rider. It was way too predictable, and I thought it was kind of silly. However, I'm not even a huge fan..."I agree with i think Paolini got tired of the story and just took the easy way out. I am still a huge fan of the series, well atleast 3 7/8 of the books anyways.
I was pretty disappointed with the Arya thing. I hope Book 4 is better. :)
Jake wrote: "I was pretty disappointed with the Arya thing. I hope Book 4 is better. :)"Inheritance is book 4
rayful wrote: "Jake wrote: "I was pretty disappointed with the Arya thing. I hope Book 4 is better. :)"Inheritance is book 4"
Lol. I meant book 5. Sorry. :)
Jake wrote: "rayful wrote: "Jake wrote: "I was pretty disappointed with the Arya thing. I hope Book 4 is better. :)"Inheritance is book 4"
Lol. I meant book 5. Sorry. :)"
Its over there won't be another one unless i am missing something.
If you read Paolini's afterword at the end of Inheritance he said that he wants to come back to Alagaesia again someday. It'll be awhile sadly.
i am sorry i didn't get that far, Once Eragon left on the boat i threw the book. Haven't touched it since.
I think CP followed the logical path. not the emotional or the one most of us would've picked. Plus, weve known this all along. Angela foretold it in the first book!
I personally loved the ending, though it looks like I'm in a minority. I thought it was beautiful...and there is always the possibility that one day they may be reunited and maybe things will have changed enough for them to be able to be together. It would have been wrong at this point - she's over 100, he's still only 16/17...not 18 or 19 as others have suggested. (It may have felt as though years past over the events of the 4 books, but given that Katrina got pregnant at the beginning of book 2 and had her baby at the end of book 4 - not so much. And Eragon only turned 16 on the journey to Farthun Dur so at the most, he is just turned 17 by the end of the series) He's matured a lot and has been affected a heck of a lot by the things that have happened to him, but he's not finished growing up yet; he needs to go away and take stock and spend time with the dragons (and given how many of them there will be, I can understand his reasons for needing to raise them outside Alagaesis)Also, I feel that the ending had a bit of a LOTR vibe about it. Frodo left the shire and middle earth to go with the elves to pastures new because he never really got over the things that had happened to him on his journey. Eragon feels likewise. he's been changed irrevocably and needs a new start. Bless him.
Erin wrote: "i could not believe paolini did that. Four. Years. and they didn't even hook up. i knew it wasn't going to end well when arya was like, "well, maybe in ten years." i was so mad at her."It wasn't four years. remember they only met at the end of book one...and the events of books 2, 3 and 4 take place over less than a year between them (Katrina gets pregnant early in book 2; Elaine is 5 months pregnant at the same time. Neither have their babies till Inheritance, Katrina not till the end) So - Eragon is barely 17 by the end of the series - with Ayra well over 100. It's not time for them yet!
Arya Svit-kona wrote: "I think CP followed the logical path. not the emotional or the one most of us would've picked. Plus, weve known this all along. Angela foretold it in the first book!"Yes, this!!!
Does anyone get the impression that I feel quite passionately that Paolini did the right thing here? Lol :)
Johnathan wrote: "i am sorry i didn't get that far, Once Eragon left on the boat i threw the book. Haven't touched it since."Well then of course you will be 'missing something' as you asked in your previous post! :)
Johnathan wrote: "Mariana wrote: "i hate christopher paolini so much right now . -.-'' how could he ? :'c"I agree. I wan't to know why the savior of Alagasia is destined for a life without love."
Where did you read that? He's with Elves now and he'll be with riders. who's to say he won't find love? And, eventually, perhaps he and Arya will come back together - they are immortal, it's not like they don't have time :)
Arya is over a hundred but not well over a hundred. More like barely over a hundred. Anyhow, in a way I felt that Eragon had outgrown Alagaesia. After Galbatorix was overthrown, it seemed that Eragon was always being wrapped up in politics. Eragon being offered position as King, to run Nasuada's magician group and then he sees Arya for the first time in months only for her to say she has become a rider and Queen of the elves which I think complicated things for Eragon. Nasuada, Arya, and even Roran, they were all acting in the best interest of their own people. Eragon had a much bigger responsibility. On top of that, Eragon on his way to Vroengard, saw that the world was a lot bigger than the conflict with Galbatorix or Alagaesia itself. It changed his entire perspective on everything. He will best grow and find his place where he is now. It was never going to be in Alagaesia ultimately playing politics with his peers no matter how necessary they thought it was. As for Eragon and Arya, apparently they will have a lot of time to figure things out.
Wg wrote: "Arya is over a hundred but not well over a hundred. More like barely over a hundred. Anyhow, in a way I felt that Eragon had outgrown Alagaesia. After Galbatorix was overthrown, it seemed that Erag..."Yes! This! Well said *applauds*
Helen wrote: "I personally loved the ending, though it looks like I'm in a minority. I thought it was beautiful...and there is always the possibility that one day they may be reunited and maybe things will have ..."You have a good point! :) I felt like his "romance" with Arya shouldn't happen until he was older. Ir would be pretty messed up at his age right now. I hope Eragon will be in his mid twenties next book.
Also I agree the end was much like the end of the last LOTR. Happy and sad. Unfortunately, Tolkien can't continue Frodo's tale. :(
A romance can't happen until Arya's convinced that Eragon can handle being with her. That's the only thing I think that stopped Arya from saying yes at the end of Inheritance. She has feelings for Eragon (however complicated they are) but she also worried (and evidently for a while) that his feelings for her could be short lived given his age. Arya has spent time amongst humans but she has no experience being with one. Nor do I think she had ever considered it until Eragon came along.
No, it wouldn't worked out between them and that would have led to more confused emotions at a point where they had both decided to move on. Arya's attitude toward Eragon was too ambivilant - one minute she wanted him, then the next she didn't - and there's no way you can build anything on that. I say it's best they went their own ways and parted friends, and nothing more.
Couldn't agree more. Eragon is by far the younger of the two but he wasn't the one confused about them. In that sense, Arya needs to catch up with Eragon before anything gets started.
So true! (wow that was my shortest reply yet!)
I hope Paolini writes more......or else
if he writes more, its not like he knows what all his mistakes, if he did, he would have fixed them while writing the book, or atleast announced he will be writing a book to fix them (and i know he's writing one he's writing to answer remaining question, i mean one besides that)
He already said he will, about Alagaesia and Eragon and Arya. In my opinion, his biggest challenge in writing Eragon and Arya in the future is writing Eragon as an adult. I forget which interview but he had mentioned that he had some difficulty writing Arya's character because he kept writing her as Eragon saw her instead of the way she really was. In the Inheritance Cycle, it was easy to write Eragon as less experienced, wise, knowledgeable, etc. than Arya. He was 16 for most of the series whereas Arya was a century old. His lessons as a dragon rider and the world outside of Carvahall was all a new experience to him where it wasn't to Arya. He couldn't even read and write in the beginning.
But the further into the future he writes Eragon and Arya, less of a gap there has to be despite the 80+ year age difference. Arya for instance will always be better at the ancient language because unlike Eragon, she grew up speaking it but Eragon is nevertheless going to be older, wiser and more knowledgeable especially with all those eldunari giving him their knowledge and wisdom. Instead of learning the ancient language, magic and fighting as he was in the Inheritance Cycle, he's going to be teaching the riders to come how to do all of the above. He's going to be raising dragons and living with them.
The second biggest challenge is to do the same with their relationship. Their relationship was new in the Inheritance Cycle. They were just getting to know each other. But again, the further into the future he writes the relationship, the more adult it has to be. Knowing each other can no longer be a new experience for either of them. The relationship will now have a past and both will be older.
all discussions on this book
|
post a new topic
Eldest (other topics)
Brisingr (other topics)
Inheritance (other topics)
The Invasion (other topics)
More...
Books mentioned in this topic
The Young Guardians and the Genesis Spell (other topics)Eldest (other topics)
Brisingr (other topics)
Inheritance (other topics)
The Invasion (other topics)
More...
