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Jace is a descendant of Will or Cecily? What is Tessa and can she have children?
Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa really is yet, maybe Mortman found a way to produce a live child of demon and shadow hunter; maybe Tessa is part Fay. She might be able to have children.
I'm curious to find out what line of shadow hunter Tessa would come from, I think that will be the key to connect the dots...so it seems
Usagi wrote: "Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa really is yet, maybe Mortman found ..."I'm pretty sure that is the case. She is the granddaughter of the head of the York Institute. The child who supposedly died once she got her first rune was a Changeling.
Michelle wrote: "Usagi wrote: "Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa really is yet, maybe ..."Yes. I would agree, but then she was told she wasn't a Changling... then again, the faerie may be lying.
I'm intrigued.
This is what I was thinking! I think that Tessa is not a warlock, so she is able to have kids. I am Team Will, so I'm hoping that she ends up with him and not Jem, who is sweet but more best friend material. I think that Jace is realted to Will and not Cecily because if she was married, then she would most likely change her surname whereas Will would not. So that means that either he and Tessa are together and they have kids or Will marries someone else. So many possibilities! Can't wait for Clockwork Princess
Anna wrote: "Michelle wrote: "Usagi wrote: "Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa real..."No, not Tessa. The child who died. Remember that the fairy said they usually replace a healthy child with a changeling? So, let's say that the healthy child was Tessa who the fairy kidnapped and replaced with the sickly changeling. Obviously there is more to the story to explain why Tessa ended up being raised by humans in New York.
There was probably more story behind what Tessa's mother truly is. Because Mortmain said something like that in the first book.
Michelle wrote: "So, let's say that the healthy child was Tessa who the fairy kidnapped and replaced with the sickly changeling."I thought both children wound be called "a Changeling". So I'm not sure about Tessa but that child who died was definitely one. But was that girl a faerie? Hyacinth said that they replace a healthy child with their own. Shouldn't that girl have some faeries' marks? Is there in the books somewhere said what happens to faeries if they are Marked with runes?
I'm not sure about the Tessa thing b/c the chick said she wasn't a changling and everyone seems convinced she is a warlock even though she doesn't have a mark. I think Jace has to be a decedent of Will b/c he has the last name Herondale well his father was Herondale. And if Cecily marries she would end up taking the last name of the other whomever. I havent seen any Shadowhunter married couples that don't have the last name.
Lena wrote: "Michelle wrote: "So, let's say that the healthy child was Tessa who the fairy kidnapped and replaced with the sickly changeling."I thought both children wound be called "a Changeling". So I'm not..."
I know that the term Changeling is used sometimes for both children, but from what I understood from the conversation was that the changeling was the sickly fairy child only. But I could be wrong. But why bring the whole changeling thing in the picture if it didn't relate to Tessa somehow?
I'm sure Tessa is part shadowhunter and that would explain why she doesn't have any mark as the shadowhunter's gene is predominant. But I would assume that she would be 100% shadowhunter and not have any powers, so that is still a mystery to me.
adele starkweather would be to old to be tessa, but she could have been a changeling with tessa's mother. and her mother could have not known about it till she went to the pandemonium club with her husband. starkweather definitely recognized her. And that could be the reason the girl died when she got marked. not to upset anyone about will and Tessa but i would think that if Jace was her descendent she would have stepped in to take care of him a bit more. she could have been helping him along behind the scenes. But with Nate being the older child, and he was born after Tessas mother was married i got the impression that she was older than Harriot and that maybe Harriot would have noticed if something was off about her sister?
Casandra wrote: "adele starkweather would be to old to be tessa, but she could have been a changeling with tessa's mother. and her mother could have not known about it till she went to the pandemonium club with her..."I thought Nate was younger than Tessa. But she is only 16 so he has to be older. Gah, I keep forgetting details. That is why I hate to wait a year for the story to continue.
Casandra wrote: "adele starkweather would be to old to be tessa, but she could have been a changeling with tessa's mother. and her mother could have not known about it till she went to the pandemonium club with her..."But Harriot had Nate out of Wed Lock and her sister took it upon herself to say Nate was her boy, so she being married before Harriot, so harriot could be younger that Tessa's Mother and not have known about her sister being a changeling....
I totally agree if Tessa was somehow related to Jace she would be stepping in more.Yeah perhaps her mother was a changeling. I also think that maybe changeling thing might have been brought in to confuse us. lol. And I dont remember the book saying anything about whether her aunt or her mom was older. uggghhh I wish the next book was already out. lol. :D
Ohh ya that is true Marie-line! I think Cassandra brought it in and dismissed it to make us think it irrelevant. She like dangled it then said just kidding! to make us all crazy because we have a whole year for these ideas to fester. We can only hope for some small enlightenment in the next MI series to help us out.
I hope Jace is a descendant of Will and Tessa.. I'll be heartbroken if it turns out Will has a child with someone else. I do think it's a good sign that Tessa does not have a warlock's mark.. because then we'd no for certain that Tessa can't have children.
Cassandra Clare said Jace was a desendant from Will. Hmm it may be possible Tessa could give birth...isn't her mom a shadow hunter, I know her dad was a demon.soo i don't see why she can't have children.
I dont think Tessa can have children. :( Will doesn't necessarily have to have children it could have been other Herondales that kept the family linage going.
Well about the Family Connections, my thoughts: *Either Cecily Herondale & Gabriel -> Black Haired Lightwoods
*Sophie & Gideon -> Assuming dark hair runs in Sophie's bloodline
*Gabriel & Gideons Sister is Married (dont forget) -> Dark Haired Lightwoods, if dark hair runs in the husbands bloodline (And although she is female, there may be some complex reason in the future, where her offspring (or offsprings children) decide to keep her maiden name, and not take on the last name of the father)
*Will & New Female Character (highly unlikely) -> Intgrate Blonde hair to bloodline
*Will & Tessa -> If Tessa and Nate are truly cousins, then Blonde hair runs in her family, seeing that Nate is fair haired. & this is also assuming that she can bear children, & that Jem ultimately dies in Clockwork Princess
Just wanted to share :) !
I guess we'll never really know unless Cassandra Clare tells us. I remeber her saying in an interview that she might make a family tree after Clockwork Princess
Lena wrote: "It is confirmed by author that Jace and Will are related. So it must be through Will or his sister. What do you think?
I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..." One of the things revealed to Tessa toward the end is that nephalim and demons CAN have offspring and that she might be some sort of changeling, not demon but perhaps fairy. Also, Alec/Magnus connection...could be a reference back to Magnus' attraction to Will that wasn't returned. Jace was a Morningstar wasn't he? Not Herondale.
I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..." One of the things revealed to Tessa toward the end is that nephalim and demons CAN have offspring and that she might be some sort of changeling, not demon but perhaps fairy. Also, Alec/Magnus connection...could be a reference back to Magnus' attraction to Will that wasn't returned. Jace was a Morningstar wasn't he? Not Herondale.
Yeah but they also mentioned that Demons and Nephalim offspring are born dead. Jace is Herondale.
Pauline wrote: "One of the things revealed to Tessa toward the end is that nephalim and demons CAN have offspring..."As I remember it, Will was adamant that Shadow-hunters and demons cannot procreate. Nobody really believed Nate. But he was so insistent that Tessa wasn't his sister, that I think it's not Tessa who might be a Changeling, but her mother Elizabeth. In that case she would be a Nephilim and not at all related to Nate's mother Harriet. But who was Tessa's father? ))
And yes, (view spoiler)
Tessa's father is the big enigma...
I just don't know why THESE characters from TID have to be the ones to give jace and clary and alec and isabelle their characteristics. I mean, the series is set almost 2 centuries before the mortal intruments, thats a lot of time, and it's highly unlikely that the particular gene that gives our dead tmi characters their charcteristics.what i mean is: between 18-something and 20-something, there was a lot of time for he characters to have kids and for their kids to have kids and for their kids to have kids and those last kids are jace, clary and the lightwoods. a lot of time for the genetic characteristics to appear in their blodlines. this is just me ranting from a way too rational pov, I'll shut up now
Michelle wrote: "Usagi wrote: "Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa really is yet, maybe ..."
omfg that explains aloysius' shock at seeing her!!
omfg that explains aloysius' shock at seeing her!!
Marie-Line wrote: "Casandra wrote: "adele starkweather would be to old to be tessa, but she could have been a changeling with tessa's mother. and her mother could have not known about it till she went to the pandemon..."
hey that also explains why the masquerade faerie knew elizabeth gray...
hey that also explains why the masquerade faerie knew elizabeth gray...
Pauline wrote: "Tessa's father is the big enigma..."
I just realized... maybe magnus and tessa share the same father???
I just realized... maybe magnus and tessa share the same father???
Alisa wrote: "I just realized... maybe magnus and tessa share the same father???"I really doubt it. Magnus is so much older. He always said that he had lived a long time. Does he even know who his demon father was??
he does, he threatens a demon by asking him, "do you want to anger my father?"
and demons are immortal...
and demons are immortal...
Alisa wrote: "Pauline wrote: "Tessa's father is the big enigma..."I just realized... maybe magnus and tessa share the same father???"
thats what i was thinking!!
Anyone else think that perhaps there is some weird twist reminiscent of Pearl Harbor going on here where Tessa and Jem conceive, low and behold he dies, and in steps Will to raise his best friends baby and be with the woman they both love? Just playing devil's advocate here!
Can someone tell me in which page and on what chapter Tessa is in City of Glass!?!? I don't remember this AT ALL!
Cassie wrote: "Can someone tell me in which page and on what chapter Tessa is in City of Glass!?!? I don't remember this AT ALL!"I believe it is in the last chapter, where Magnus is speaking to a dark haired girl. I don't think her name appears on the page, but it is in the last 2 chapters.
Beth wrote: "Cassie wrote: "Can someone tell me in which page and on what chapter Tessa is in City of Glass!?!? I don't remember this AT ALL!"I believe it is in the last chapter, where Magnus is speaking to a..."
Thank youuuu!!!!!!! Are we sure it's her or is this just us fans speculating?
Im pretty sure Cassandra Clare confirmed it was Tessa in City of Glass
What about the possibility that Tessa is part angel and part automaton? That way she could be immortal...she's the "Clockwork Angel" that the first book refers to...I dunno, just a thought. And I am totally Team Will; I think Jem is awesome, though, but I think Tessa and Will should end up together. I want Jem to be happy and forget about Tessa somehow.
Thank you for your comment, Francisca. Very thoughtful. It gave me some new perspective on the whole genealogical thing here )) Yeah.. What a wonderful interlacing story Ms Clare has created!
This would have nothing to do with Tessa but if Nate and Jessamine were married she may be in the family way. What was her last name again?
I'm just guessing here, but would Imogen's father be the child of Will or Cecily's? Because that's the only connection I can think of from this point. Tessa is an honest mystery to me, but I'm leaning towards her being part automaton, part whatever, as that would make her the Clockwork Princess, which I'm also assuming she is. I'm Team Will, and though this sounds vulgar, I quite hope Jem dies. Not only would it be a kindness to him but the longer he lives, the sadder it'll be for our boys and Tess. What I'm scared of is that when Jem does die - if he dies - Will will go berserk and crazy and go on some sort of rampage and not return Tess' affections any longer.
god that was long.
Mya wrote: "I'm leaning towards her being part automaton, part whatever, as that would make her the Clockwork Princess, which I'm also assuming she is."But Mortmain is the Clockwork Prince. That doesn't make him part automaton... And how Tessa would grow up if she was? I wonder why Nate insisted on her wearing the pendant angel.. Maybe it's some kind of protection from automatons?
This is true. I figured maybe she would be some sort of special case but I don't really know. Yeah, I thought so. Maybe not just from the automatons, though. At first, when I read it, I thought maybe the necklace enhanced her power, like stopped it from making her turn back. But, then again, I don't know. I'm sure all will be revealed in Clockwork Princess.
(SPOILERS FROM THE IMMORTAL INSTRUMENTS)Well, in THI, Jace finds out that he's really a Herondale, but didn't they say that Jace's real mother was named Cecily or something like that?
And Cecily was married to Stephen, ect?
I thought Jace's mother is Celine Herondale..
Usagi wrote: "I thought Jace's mother is Celine Herondale.."Herondale is her married name.
Oh, yeah, maybe Stephen is after Will or Cecily then? Don't necessarily as a son, but a grand-grand son or something like that?
Lena wrote: "It is confirmed by author that Jace and Will are related. So it must be through Will or his sister. What do you think?I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..."
It is alluded that Tessa is part shadow hunter and part warlock...so as she is unique it is conceivable that she can have children.
I personally have a hard time believing that Tessa is related to Jace b/c if she was, wouldnt she have intervened in his upbringing and tried to make sure that his father never joined the circle etc.
Ryan wrote: "I personally have a hard time believing that Tessa is related to Jace b/c if she was, wouldnt she have intervened in his upbringing and tried to make sure that his father never joined the circle etc."Not nessecarily, i mean if she was far away or didn't want to interfer. And later Jace was believed to be the son of someone else (first Wayland and later Morgenstern). So maybe she just didn't know he was related.
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I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow, but if Tessa is immortal (and she appears in the end of CoG talking to Magnus) and if she really cannot have children (as she is assumed to be a warlock), so how will this work out?
I think Cecily might end up with Gabriel (and give Alec his blue eyes and black hair))). It is slight possibility she'll keep name Herondale. So it leaves us with Will. And someone. Or Tessa is not warlock. And immortal to see all her descendants? Like Jace's great-..-great-grandmother?