Jace is a descendant of Will or Cecily? What is Tessa and can she have children?

[Georgia]

Kay wrote: "Dannielle wrote: "Well about the Family Connections, my thoughts:

*Either Cecily Herondale & Gabriel -> Black Haired Lightwoods

*Sophie & Gideon -> Assuming dark hair runs in Sophie's bloodline..."

Jace's mother, Celine (born Montclaire), had blonde hair and the haazel/gold eyes Jace has, as did Stephen (although stephen had the BLUE eyes Will has), as did Imogen. Imogen also had grey eyes.. (TESSA) and pale blonde hair.

I think someone with blonde hair came into the family with Will's offspring that had to be either the granddad or father of Imogen, making Jace the at least 3x great-grandson of will

[Georgia]

Abby wrote: "i just dont see how that would fit since that wouldnt give Tessa her powers, she would just be a shadowhunter with a strange feature. Maybe someone experimented on her when she was little, or maybe..."

Perhaps Mortmain injected Tessa with some form of warlock blood as he did demon with Sebastian and angel with jace and clary, as tessa was to be born shadowhunter (going with the whole adele is the mum here)that would explain shadowhunter AND warlock abitiy but NO mark??? because nephelim is dominant

[Lily]

Mountain didn't inject Sebastian/Jonathan and clary and jace.

[Georgia]

Georgia wrote: "Abby wrote: "i just dont see how that would fit since that wouldnt give Tessa her powers, she would just be a shadowhunter with a strange feature. Maybe someone experimented on her when she was lit..."

OR demon blood into tessas mother

[Georgia]

Rashika wrote: "and as for the looks.. ummm Maryse has Blue eyes and black hair..so they could have gotten their looks from her.."

Maryse was born Trueblood, not lightwood, that was robert, robert who had the dark hair and the dark eyes. Maryse had the dark hair, yes, but the blue eyes given to alec have come from the trueblood side..

[Georgia]

Marcus Herondale (imogens husband) Had the ID lightwoods blonde hair and the ID herondales blue eyes, which stephen got (jaces dad). Alec has ended up with these blue eyes.. So maybe the Truebloods (maryse maiden name - maryse had the blue eyes, not robert lightwood) tangles with the herondales somehow. DOES ANYONE KNOW IMOGENS MAIDEN NAME??? Imogen has the Grey eyes that tessa has. but the blond hair. MAYBE tessa has a kid with jem and that kid eventually tangles with the herondales to get the pale blonde in there??

just thoughts annoying me until CP2 comes out!!!

[Georgia]

♥ Innocent Lamb ~ Forever Reading ♥ wrote: "All this mystery is starting to give me a headache.

My theory is that Jem dies (It's inevitable unless there's somehow a cure that's later discovered, that or they summon Raziel and ask for Jem to..."

Imogen married Marcus Herondale. i really wanna know what her maiden name was. i think Will is the grandfather of Marcus who had stephen with imogen then jace with celine

[Georgia]

Nurlely wrote: "Jace can be Cecily's descendant only if she is going to have a baby without being married. I wonder if that's possible in that era. Although I think it is possible to have a 'bastard' in Victorian ..."

Maybe Cecily gets pregnant outta marriage and gives the kid to will to raise..? like harriet did with nate..?

[Georgia]

Thea wrote: "Francisca wrote: "Mhmmm I thought the Clockwork Angel referred to Tessa's necklace that for some weird unknown reason Nate told her to never take it off (am I the only one feeling something weird a..."

yes but it was mentioned that when the go to the council meeting- the one where charlotte is left to find mortmain- that there is a woment who looked like jem but with dark hair, although i remember something about a hood being pulled up

[Georgia]

Ella ((a.k.a Ellie)) wrote: "Mountain didn't inject Sebastian/Jonathan and clary and jace."

No, but Valentine could have gotten the idea from somewhere, right?

[Rashika (is tired)]

Georgia wrote: "Rashika wrote: "and as for the looks.. ummm Maryse has Blue eyes and black hair..so they could have gotten their looks from her.."

Maryse was born Trueblood, not lightwood, that was robert, robert..."

Yeah I know that's what I am saying. Maryse wasn't born a Lightwood yet she had dark hair and blue eyes. So everyone saying that a Herondale has to get married to a Lightwood to make that happen could be wrong because Maryse has dark hair and blue eyes as well and Alec and Isabelle could have inherited those genes from their mother.

[Nurlely]

Georgia wrote: "Maybe Cecily gets pregnant outta marriage and gives the kid to will to raise..? like harriet did with nate..? "

Anything can happen, but I doubt Cecily will get pregnant when at this moment, the only person she seems to be attracted to is the dying Jem, who keeps his space as wide as possible from her.

[Inês]

i think that jace is a descendent of cecily... If Wil or Jem are Zecariah and zecahriah said that he didn't have kids, then it must be Will (Jem as no brothers or sisters as far as i know and Ema is Carstairs so he has to have a Child right?)

Tessa must have kids and i think she will have....




now, but now i had a CRAZY ideia but thats impossible

i was imagining Brother Zecahria being Tessa but it can't be.... NO Forget it its a stupid idea

[Georgia]

cant be b.zachariah, cause tessa was mentioned taalking to magnus in the CoG and zachariah is in the series too

[Nurlely]

Inês wrote: "i think that jace is a descendent of cecily... If Wil or Jem are Zecariah and zecahriah said that he didn't have kids, then it must be Will (Jem as no brothers or sisters as far as i know and Ema i..."

CC said on her tumblr that Jem has an uncle, also a Carstairs.

[Jaxyn]

SPOILERS FOR ALL THE TID BOOKS.

The pale hair does not come from jem, he naturally has dark hair and eyes, due to his mother's chinese heritage; the silver hair and eyes is due to his addiction to the demon drug yin fen. This is covered in all three books.

Tessa is not part automaton, what the heck gave you that idea? She is half shadow hunter, half greater demon. Most mixes of those blood are still born, due to the mix of angel and demon blood, but Tessa's mother was an unmarked shadow hunter and she had extra protection that enabled Tessa to survive.

I'm pretty sure that Jace and the other Herondales are descendants of Will and Tessa, as it is revealed that due to her Shadowhunter blood, she is able to bear children. It is quite possible that Cecily is the one responsible for the bloodline, because it is possible for shadowhunter women to keep their maiden name and pass it to their children, as Charlotte decides to. I don't think it would be Cecily though, as the person she seems to show interest in doesn't seem to be the sort to be okay with her keeping her name, especially when his family name needs the boost it can get.

The ancestors of Robert, Alec, Isabelle and Max are also in TID, in, I assume, Gideon and GAbriel Lightwood, as as far as I know their sister took the name of her husband.

What I would really like to know, is yes, Will gets old, Tessa doesn't, Jem is all creepy... How does Jem end his service as a Silent Brother and become an ordinary Shadowhunter again? And is he mortal or immortal? Because I don't think it's very fair on Tessa to have to watch both the loves of her life grow old and die.

Also, we have to wonder where Tessa and Jem are during the later books of TMI. And how does the Institute cope without the help of Zachariah after Jem becomes ordinary again. The seemed to rely on Zachariah a lot after Enoch died.

[Helemcole]

isobelle lightwood is cecily's desendant
and jace is from william. cecily married garbriel lightwood

[Nurlely]

Jaxyn wrote: "SPOILERS FOR ALL THE TID BOOKS.
..."

I wonder why your 'spoiler' didn't cover the Family Tree, which would have made you understood who is the descendant of who... ;)

[Joy]

i would think he would be descended from Will anyways because they share the same sort of attitude and are just really similar characters.

[Jasmine]

Guys, you are missing a key point! Jace would have to be from Will because when Cecely marries she wouldn't be a Herondale anymore. Will is the one that carries on the Herondale name.

[Joy]

isn't there also a family tree at the back of the book?

[Jasmine]

Joy wrote: "isn't there also a family tree at the back of the book?"

Yes. I didn't want to spoil anyone with my comment.

[Renee]

Just to say, there's a family tree of the Lightwoods, Herondales and Carstairs at the end of Clockwork Princess in the collectors edition. :D

[Dana]

Jaxyn wrote: "SPOILERS FOR ALL THE TID BOOKS.

The pale hair does not come from jem, he naturally has dark hair and eyes, due to his mother's chinese heritage; the silver hair and eyes is due to his addiction to..."

In dark artifices the Carstairs name comes back and when Jem was a Silent brother he did not age.. and they found a cure so yes she lives two seperate lives with both.. as she did not want to watch her and Will's childern eventually pass away she left so the Herondales come from them.. since Jem came back 71 yrs after Will's death their children would not come til later thus dark artifices the name (Carstairs) comes back.. The Lightwoods come from Gabriel and Gideon (Sophie & Cecily) .. and I think it was the best ending.. better than her living an eternity suffering the deaths of both..

[Emily]

SPOILERS FOR THE CLOCKWORK PRINCESS
Does no one remember the whole 'same star mark on the shoulder' from Tessa's angel?! I do not think that was a coincidence.

[Sophie]

SPOILERS FOR CLOCKWORK PRINCESS


Cecily married Gabriel, who is a Lightwood. Therefore, her children would have inherited the Lightwood family name. This means that Alec and Izzy are the ones related to Cecily.

But, Will married Tessa (and Tessa can have kids), so therefore her children inherited the Herondale family name. This means that Jace is related to Will and indirectly related to Cecily.



So if you think about it, technically Will and Alec, when they call each other brothers, they are kinda right...

[Nurlely]

Hi Sophie.

There is a tiny typo there.
I know you meant to say Jace & Alec... :)

[chinami]

jace probably descended from Will. what i don't get is that jem became a silent brother. Is this speculation or a spoiler.

[Sabrina]

Lena wrote: "It is confirmed by author that Jace and Will are related. So it must be through Will or his sister. What do you think?
I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..."

if you read the bane chronicles you know how clary knows Tessa, and it isn't because she looks like jace. I am almost positive that jace is a decendant of will, look up the Herondale family tree.

[Charlotte]

*SPOLIER ALERT* Tessa and Will have two children together. Clare wrote another book about the children and about Tatiana when she went crazy after her father killed her husband and has a grudge against everyone in the London instuite.