Jace is a descendant of Will or Cecily? What is Tessa and can she have children?

[Usagi]

Agree, maybe because she is alive for so long, it's hard to help or track every Desendant. Maybe she went to Magnus was to find a way to help jace Herondale, or she simply just want some information......

[Lena]

Steffi wrote: "And later Jace was believed to be the son of someone else (first Wayland and later Morgenstern). So maybe she just didn't know he was related. "

That's what I thought! It's most likely Tessa just didn't know who Jace was. (view spoiler)[Herondale's son was believed to be dead unborn. The truth was only revealed closer to the end of CoG. And Tessa did come into the picture after that, even through just from afar. (hide spoiler)] So I hope we will see more of her in later books of TMI.

[[deleted user]]

I have a few ideas.
Jace is probably a descendent of Will. This is the only thing I'm rather sure on. If Cecily married, her last name would change.

Mortmain goes on about how he "created" Tessa. Will told her that children of Shadowhunters and demons were always stillborn. Maybe Mortmain made it possible for Tessa to be born alive?

If Tessa's mother was a Shadowhunter and her father a demon, I think it would be possible for her to have children. In Clockwork Angel, Brother Enoch says there is a power she has that "no other warlock has." I think that it would be the ability to have kids.

I don't like how Clare dangled the changeling idea in front of us then made like it was fake. I agree with you all and your theories.

I wish I had a family tree of the Shadowhunter families or something...I can't wait until 2012 for Clockwork Princess.

[anne⁷]

Um, I don't know. A woman and a man don't need to be married to have a child, right? If Cecily had a child but didn't marry, the child will still be a Herondale. And even if Clare confirmed that Jace is a descendant of Will, it can mean either lineal descendant (a relative descended directly from a person) or a collateral descendant (a relative descended from a sister or another relative).

[Natalie]

There are a lot of great theories here that I've never thought of before!
I always thought that Tessa was part fairy. It seems a bit too basic to be the real answer, but there are just little things in both TID and TMI that make me think she is. I first thought of Tessa being part fairy when I read the following part in CoFA:

[Clary is at her mother's wedding rehearsal (or some wedding-related event that isn't the actual wedding, I don't really remember) and Kaelie, the fairy waitress from Taki's walks up to her to deliver a message from the Seelie Queen]:

"Kaelie looked her up and down with some amusement. 'My lady said you were quite flinty, despite your small size. In the Court you would be looked down on for having such short stature.'" (p. 285 in hardcover)

And the first thing I thought was "Tessa's tall!". I know it's not much (anything) to go on, but from that moment it just stuck with me that Tessa was part fairy somehow. It would describe her immortality, even though it doesn't explain much else.

[[deleted user]]

He is provably a descendent of Celily, and Tessa can't have children, up to know she is thought to be a warlock with no demons mark.

[Abigail]

Hey when does Tessa make a showing in CoG, somebody please tell me! It's been ages since I read this book, and I can't remember where she showed :/ also, as Tessa is apparently part demon and apart shadowhunter (and Mortmain had something to do with her creation) I think that it's perfectly plausible that she can have kids. I don't know if it will be or Cecily related to Jace, though.

[Caitie]

Abigail wrote: "Hey when does Tessa make a showing in CoG, somebody please tell me! It's been ages since I read this book, and I can't remember where she showed :/ also, as Tessa is apparently part demon and apart..."

Tessa is in the epilogue of City of Glass. “Magnus stood in the shadow of a tree, talking to a girl in a white dress with a cloud of pale brown hair. She turned as Magnus looked toward them, and Clary locked eyes with her for a moment across the distance that separated them. There was something familar about her, though Clary couldn’t have said it what it was."

[Abigail]

Caitie wrote: "Abigail wrote: "Hey when does Tessa make a showing in CoG, somebody please tell me! It's been ages since I read this book, and I can't remember where she showed :/ also, as Tessa is apparently part..."

ooh, right. Thanks :)

[[deleted user]]

Abigail wrote: "Hey when does Tessa make a showing in CoG, somebody please tell me! It's been ages since I read this book, and I can't remember where she showed :/ also, as Tessa is apparently part demon and apart..."

Yea, she does, I barely found out and I don't remember, I know he was talking to someone, but I didn't know.

[LoisLane00007]

Casandra wrote: "adele starkweather would be to old to be tessa, but she could have been a changeling with tessa's mother. and her mother could have not known about it till she went to the pandemonium club with her..."

If the outcome is that Tessa ends up with Will and is able to produce a child and is in fact related to Jace, she wouldn't have known that to step in and take care of him because up until COG everyone was under the assumption that he was first a Wayland then a Morgenstern.

[✨ jami ✨]

Heyy, im new but I am obsessed with the Tessa/will ect mystery :)

So I am thinking, you know Madam Dorothea who was in CoB?? She said "My mum was a witch"

Could her mum be Tessa?? M.Dorothea is pretty old now from what CoB says, but in CoG Tessa is talking to Magnus...

I think Tessa is a demon/shadowhunter/faire SICK changeling who Mortmain somehow made healthy?? And the result was a witch (Tessa) and she could change appearances as a witch??

And I think Will and Jace are related 100% they have the same sense on humour after all XD


Or maybe I am just thinking too hard about it XD

[✨ jami ✨]

Heyy, im new but I am obsessed with the Tessa/will ect mystery :)

So I am thinking, you know Madam Dorothea who was in CoB?? She said "My mum was a witch"

Could her mum be Tessa?? M.Dorothea is pretty old now from what CoB says, but in CoG Tessa is talking to Magnus...

I think Tessa is a demon/shadowhunter/faire SICK changeling who Mortmain somehow made healthy?? And the result was a witch (Tessa) and she could change appearances as a witch??

And I think Will and Jace are related 100% they have the same sense on humour after all XD


Or maybe I am just thinking too hard about it XD

[BelleScar]

Does anyone remember what color Tessa's eyes are? It has been a while since I read the first book, and I am saving the second book to read, because I want I don't want to have to wait so long to read the third book...

[Abby]

i will be so upset if tessa is immortal, cause then she and Will (i think it will be will) would only have a few years together before he starts getting much too old for her. i want them together for the rest of their lives

[RP]

well we know that tessa shows up in city of glass so i'm hoping jace is related to cecily.

[★ Mist ☆ Cassidy ★]

Cassie also said that it is possible that Will's parents had more kids after he left.

[Claudia the Night Owl]

Tessa seems to be one of a kind so she may be able to have children she'll probably have a kid with Jem then he'll die and she'll be with will.

[karma]

Oh I know, maybe magnus is Tessa's father...just kidding I love jem :)

[Abby]

Kimmie wrote: "Does anyone remember what color Tessa's eyes are? It has been a while since I read the first book, and I am saving the second book to read, because I want I don't want to have to wait so long to r..."

her eyes are gray

[Abby]

is anyone else still holding on to the hope that tessa might not be immortal? maybe there was some kind of timetravel? i just really dont want her to be immortal, cause then she wont be able to be with anyone for more than a few years

[Cathleen]

If Tessa were to be immortal she would have been in the city of angels series

[Abby]

The city of angels? i have never heard of that. do you mean the city of fallen angels?

[Cordelia]

Tessa is a shadowhunter:
"Ah, Clary thought. That explained the pointed ears. Nephilim blood was dominate, and the child of a faerie and shadowhunter would be a shadowhunter as well, but sometimes the faerie blood could express itself in odd ways, even generations down the line."
This is an excerpt from City of Lost Souls. With Tessa being a shadowhunter it would follow that she is not immortal and can have children.
I believe that Tessa will try to give herself up to Mortmain in attempt to find a cure for Jem.

[Abby]

ya i think she will try that, but then Will will save her or something. But i also dont know how Mortmain would have the cure; he is addicted to it, i dont think there is anything that can cure an addiction

[✨ jami ✨]

Tessa HAS to be immortal, she is in CoG.

I just finished CoLS and I think maybe Will or Jem became a silent bro. Brother Zachariah is obsessed with Herondales and said he was a shadowhunter who loved 2 people (Tessa and Jem?) Or if its Jem maybe its the only way to find a cure for his diesase. Also tessa's clockwork angel is in the institute library. No guesses as to how it got all the way from england to NY. Also Sebastian has Will herondales box of belongings. And Stephen's middle name is William. Only stuff I can remember

[Beth]

Lena wrote: "It is confirmed by author that Jace and Will are related. So it must be through Will or his sister. What do you think?
I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..."

isnt Gaberial with the maid?? or is that Gideon??? i think its probably going to be the sister just to keep us guetssing about tessa , will and Jem. Am sure jem doesnt have any descendants. also Clara is called fairychild so she must be related to charalotte and henery. plus one is set in NY and one is sent in london

[Beth]

Rememeber is it set in Victorian england. Jace CANNOT be a son of Will or anybody in TID it will have to be a great x3 (possibly more)grandson.

[Beth]

Mya wrote: "I'm just guessing here, but would Imogen's father be the child of Will or Cecily's? Because that's the only connection I can think of from this point. Tessa is an honest mystery to me, but I'm lean..."

i think Will has a younger brother but don't quote me

[Beth]

Usagi wrote: "Maybe that's the reason clary thinks Tessa looked familiar... Related to Jace? Or that's just part of my wishful thinking..... But we still don't know what Tessa really is yet, maybe Mortman found ..."

i think they'll be paintings in the insitute. Becuase JG appears on the wall of city of bones when Jace is their. jesmaine wrote it so their will probs be one of Tessa books or a painting of her kicking about

[Maria]

Don't forget that in the new shadowhunter-series Dark Artifices is Emma CARSTAIRS !! Jem doesn't have any brother/sisters oder cousins. That means she IS his descendant und Jem would have children.

P.S. My english isn't very good....

[Beth]

Maria wrote: "Don't forget that in the new shadowhunter-series Dark Artifices is Emma CARSTAIRS !! Jem doesn't have any brother/sisters oder cousins. That means she IS his descendant und Jem would have children...."
omg i didnt even relise. He must end up with someone.

PS your english is fine :D

[Maria]

By the way: I don't think Tessa is immortal. Maybe it's a timetravel thing... I think Tessa and Magnus have the same Father. Maybe only Magnus can call her through the time.

If she is immortal maybe Will/Jem choose to be a silent brother to be with her forever...

[✨ jami ✨]

Nah Tessa is definetely immortal.

She is in the end of CoG
She is supposedly still freinds with magnus (He says she is the one constant in his ever changing life)

Cassy has confirmed one of the IF characters becomes a silent brother, but not through choice, because they became really sad or something (cant remember) and becomes pretty much a silent brother. I think it is Will because:

1: brother zachariah is NOT like the other SB. He isnt as mutated, and she says she can "see hair" under his hood, even though all the others are bald. He also doesnt have sewed lips
2: magnus say's he has seen parabatai so close get torn apart, and that it was detrimental for the survivor, that the survivor was never the same and it ruined his life (obviuosly talking about Will/jem)
3: Brother Zachaiah is obsessed with Herondale, he knows them all, has their belongings and keep trying to tell Jace about them
4: B.Zachariah says if he had known he would have "told Jace about his heritage"
5: B.Zachariah says he was a shadowhunter who loved 2 people in his life (Tessa and Jem) Those were the two people he loved even though he thought he was cursed

And another thing

RAGNOR FELL IS NOT TESSA!
Ragnor Fell is NOT Tessa despite rumours. RF is keeping tabs on the herondaled for Charlotte, therefore he CAN NOT be Tessa

[✨ jami ✨]

in number 1, she is Clary :P

[Beth]

Jamieson wrote: "Nah Tessa is definetely immortal.

She is in the end of CoG
She is supposedly still freinds with magnus (He says she is the one constant in his ever changing life)

Cassy has confirmed one of the ..."

What is its Jem?? jem is dying , he may become a silent brother to save himself and be looking after Will's family like and any best firend would.


but i like how its will. if he is a silent brother and tessa is immortal that may be how they stay togelther or how Jem and tess stay togelther. just a thought

[✨ jami ✨]

Yea thts true, I just thought Will was more likely, because B.Zachariah is obsessed with Herondale, but I guess that could be jem

Another thought

There are no morgensterns in IF. Ther morgernsterns family picture is a star falling. The Herondales all have a star birthmark. Could the morgernstern star have something to do with bringing Herondales down. I have a feeling the mark would have started at Will, it just would fit.

Also Tessa's last name is Gray, and Lukes last name is GRAYmark. That might be why Clary recongnized tessa, thourgh Luke. Maybe they are somehow related

[Maria]

B. Zachariah said in COLS that he hasn't children.
But Jace is a descendant by Will and Emma by Jem.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING !!!! I WANT READ CLOCKWORK PRINCESS !!!
YET !!! IT DRIVES ME CRAZY !!!

[✨ jami ✨]

Well techinacly not, maybe Jace could be a descendant of cecily. Its has ben hundres of year in between, I doubt there is direct lines, Jace could be Cecily's descendant who eventually got the herondale name back

[Abby]

i dont think cassandra clare would say that one of the ID characters becomes a silent brother if it was Jem or Will, if it was one of the three major characters i think she wouldnt have said. Only if it was a not as major one would she tell us

[Maria]

Maybe Jem end with Cecily?? Will's little sister??

[SP]

Cassandra is so cruel to be dropping clues in on us like these and not telling us anything! :(

And I am sure Tessa is one of the kind of baby of a demon and a shadowhunter that survived because she has extraordinary powers- we all know that.

Anyway, I don't think either Will or Jem become a silent brother. But I do have a feeling that Tessa will end up with Will. It has to be.

Oh, and I am sure Jem is not going to die since he obviously has a descendant in Dark Artifices.

[[deleted user]]

OK... This is what I think.

- Tessa's mom was actually Adele Starkweather and the "Adele Starkweather" who died was aunt Harriett's real sister... (because "Adele" was blond, like harriett, and not very strong, also like harriet.) The faeries knew this, of course, which is why Hyacinth mentioned the whole changeling idea. Also, it says Tessa looks exactly like her mother, right? So, maybe Elizabeth looked exactly like her mother too! that's why aloysius was so shocked when he saw tessa.

- The reason Tessa wasn't stillborn was because her mother never knew she was a shadowhunter (knowing is a powerful thing, right? Glamours stopped working on Simon, when he was a mundane, because he knew the truth about what he was seeing.) And Elizabeth was never marked! That way she was infused with enough angelic energy (because she was born nephilim) to give tessa the gift she has, and shield her from a warlock's mark, but not enough to render her stillborn (because marking is a huge part of being a shadowhunter, it gives them most of their "angelic" advantages.)

So yeah... that was tessa....


- Brother Z is either Will or Jem (I haven't developed that line of thought far enough yet, lol)

- Jocelyn knew tessa... she combined the last names Fairchild and Gray to produce Fray... and she named Clary Clarissa Adele, going back to my tessa's-mother-was-Adele theory.

- Will was marked by angel in his sleep, he was the first to receive the mark (not much to add to that though...)

- Why was Tessa's Angel necklace at the NYC Exhibit of spoils? She's still alive... (going into my next hypothesis...)

- Tessa and bro Z (lol I love that...) Were the silent brother and Female warlock who performed the ritual on clary (who else did Magnus, because he was the one who told Jocelyn to get the ritual done in the first place, know and trust to do a good job and not tell the clave about it? Jocelyn was supposed to be dead, after all...

- Gabriel will either get together with Jessamine or with Cecily (I hope it's Jessamine!! Oh! Maybe they will get thrown into the silent city together and grieve together... and then realize that they aren't so different after all... and fall in love... Or something like that anyway...)

- Sophie will become an ascendant!

yeah... that's about it... thanks for following my rant.... well, if you got that far, that is.... XD

[Rosie]

In clcokwork angel, he says 'your mother didnt know she was being unfaithfull' so maybe tessas father had the ability to shape shift, and Was disguised as Tessa's mothers, husband. I think tessa is something we havent seen before. i also think she will be able to have children because of the snippet of clockwork princess cassandra clare gave us

'to my son, if you are reading this, it means i am dead'

the letter could have bees written by will or Jem. one of them would have had a child with tessa, meaning she is able to have children. im hoping it was written by jem. i mean, i would rather it be Jem than will.

[Abby]

cassandra clare said that one of the ID characters becomes a silent brother, but i dont think it will be Will or Jem because i dont think she would have told us that if it was such a major character as Will or Jem

[Rosie]

Abby wrote: "cassandra clare said that one of the ID characters becomes a silent brother, but i dont think it will be Will or Jem because i dont think she would have told us that if it was such a major characte..."

your probly right

[Abby]

i can not wait for Clockwork Princess to come out

[Shan]

i'm pretty sure Jace is Will's descendant because married, she would change her last name.

[Kay]

Lena wrote: "It is confirmed by author that Jace and Will are related. So it must be through Will or his sister. What do you think?
I'm totally Team Will and hope that he and Tessa will end up together somehow,..."

i definitely agree with you about cecily giving alec his looks. i'm not so sure about the last name. i guess it's possible that she passes her name, but i doubt it. however that also brings up the interesting question of clary's last name. both she and her mother have the last name "fairchild" which is charlotte's maiden name. charlotte is pregnant with a boy, who would pass on the last name, but the question is, why is the name branwell not passed on?? i have no idea. i guess if henry dies (please no!) before the baby is born then charlotte MIGHT give her son the name fairchild. but again, i doubt she would. she really loves henry and i bet she would give the baby his name anyway

[Kay]

Dannielle wrote: "Well about the Family Connections, my thoughts:

*Either Cecily Herondale & Gabriel -> Black Haired Lightwoods

*Sophie & Gideon -> Assuming dark hair runs in Sophie's bloodline

*Gabriel & Gide..."

i agree about cecily and gabriel and sophie and gideon i suppose. but we haven't seen any of direct descendants of gideon and sophie yet. the only lightwoods we've seen in TMI are alec and isabelle and their immediate family, and i'm assuming they are related to gabriel and cecily because of alec's resemblance to will/cecily. and the fact the magnus keeps reminiscing over it

and i think jace is has that light blond hair simply because of angel blood valentine inject him with as a fetus. i don't think it's a direct result of his lineage