Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Jasmine wrote: "Reading the books you never picked up on the fact the Hermione was overcompensating for being a muggleborn? She was constantly going above and beyond to prove herself just look at her 3rd year. I think Dawn was referring to Twilight, not New Moon, with the broken bones stuff but I can't be sure. "Well, Jasmine, Hermione was unaware of the term "Mudblood" until her second year. (Reread the scene where Draco calls her that and she doesn't know what it means.) I don't think that it was a factor in causing her studiousness, seeing as how the latter was present before the former. Where is the evidence that she believed that she might not be as good as anyone based on her blood status? I only remember her worried that she might be behind.
Also, when did Bella break her ribs and her pelvis in Twilight?
Mickey wrote: "Also, when did Bella break her ribs and her pelvis in Twilight? "Or when was she "depressed or whiney" in Twilight? (which is the first book, not the second)
I'll buy her wanting to move in with her father as a sign of the possibility of being depressed. If there was more signs pointed out to me, then I would agree.
Mickey wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Reading the books you never picked up on the fact the Hermione was overcompensating for being a muggleborn? She was constantly going above and beyond to prove herself just look at h..."I know that, but she was still overcompensating before that moment. She didn't know anything about magic before she the summer of her first year and she gets there knowing more information than the kids who have been around magic their whole loves in such a short period of time. She feels the need to be absolutely perfect when it comes to her grades and being known as intelligent. She goes above and beyond and I think it got worse after the comment but she was still like that before. Going above and beyond to prove your worth, or a perceived inadequacy, that is overcompensating. Didn't she when she got thrown against the wall by James ( I think that his name), the most I remember about that part is there bogus cover story. I haven't read twilight since the 8th grade but I figured that's what she was talking about since it's the only time she got really injured besides her going into labor.
Heidi wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Also, when did Bella break her ribs and her pelvis in Twilight? "in the last one and its a spoiler (ish) - naughty !!
To quote you "Generally, going through a depression and breaking ribs and a pelvis would rise the the level of a negative consequence." So on this, I'm thinking less the depression itself, more the thrill seeking that came afterward to 'be close' to Edward. I don't remember what she broke only that getting hurt felt good because she got to hear/feel her exes presence - so as a reader that doesn't feel like a bad thing. If I'm reading a story about someone getting off on cutting, I don't feel bad for them because they're having a positive emotional response to the cutting. Or, an actual book example, Phèdre in Kusiel's Dart - hard read cause I'm squeamish - her superpower was being able to take pain and get pleasure from it and she used it for good. If it got her something she wanted and she got-off in the process, what is there to feel bad about? When she loses choice and it becomes rape, then I care, because it's something the character doesn't want and the pleasure-pain link becomes violating and is written that way. Add into my New Moon reaction that I was mostly annoyed with her because Eddie actually left for a good reason and I respected his reasons and she seemed like she was just being a brat about it, since she couldn't gaze at his hottness anymore. She never mentioned liking a specific thing about him besides his looks, like I don't know, a favorite movie or song tearing at her heart, so again. Empty character giving me no reason to feel her pain. I never said I hated New Moon, in fact I said Eclipse was what kicked this series in the toilet for me so I could live with some of that story, still didn't see her injuries as a negative consequence since she saw it as a necessary evil for a desired result. And if she's getting off on it, more power to her.
But obviously, you're remembering a Hermione far more confident then I remember. I remember a Hermione who freaked out when she attacked a teacher in the third book and more than once, failed to handle the heat of battle well. Even in Philosopher, dropping the movie's Ron-panic that didn't happen, it was Hermione who forgot her brain and had to be reminded she had magical powers that could produce the fire needed to set back devil's snare. Ron, at least, willingly went into fights on his own even with odds stacked against him, a lot like Harry. In fact, again subtract the line switch in the movie, it was injured Ron who declared Black would have to go through them all if he wanted to kill Harry, Hermione only wimpered an agreement to this in the face of Ron's fierceness on the matter. When people teased Hermione, she mostly just tried to shush them and disappear.
You challenged Harry's strength as a protaganist because people were playing invisible strings around him, like his mother's spell.
You said: He wasn't a strong person, which was never a problem because he didn't have to be, because he wasn't a girl.
So Katniss from Hunger Games is weak then? Because without Haymich's coaching and the occasional gift she got from manipulating her Peeta situation, she certainly would have failed to survive the arena. Katniss in Hunger Games was being shaped into something, even when she didn't know it, it didn't invalidate her active heroic choices as a character in the arena (of the first two books anyway). Bella's last good moment for me came when she went to stop Eddie from killing himself. I thought 'finally, she's doing something.' Then the series went to the dogs. Harry was always ready and willing to go into a fight alone if need be, to ruffle feathers, to fight someone bigger than him. To go into a battle, even if the odds were against him. And when he was asked to be a pawn, he said no and went out in the world alone, by choice. He never voluntarily hid in a cave and let others fight it out. Even in Philosopher's Stone Harry made a choice to face the thing under the trap door because he believed there would be no one else to face it and in the end it was after him anyway, he faced whatever was in the Chamber of Secrets - because it had to be faced, he faced Sirius Black thinking him a murderer, he took Cedric's body home in Goblet despite this making his own escape more difficult - that's what I mean by strength, Order is arguably a book where he let others face the real fire fight - but his first move is always to face the battle at the door alone, this is active, this is strength of choice, and this is strength of character. It was never okay for him in his own heart to hide behind someone stronger/bigger/more talented. Hermione, admittedly, did 'hide' behind someone better, Harry. She says as much indirectly when 'Dumbledore's Army' was started and she grugingly admits those things he has as natural gifts makes him best suited to lead and she seems content to be the person behind that person and that's an okay choice, she's a sidekick and a good one. If Rowling failed a female character by making her too cool too suddenly and far too independent with little to support it in previous books, it wasn't Hermione, it was Ginny Weasley (who I never thought would end up Harry's super cool and hot girlfriend). I admit, I forgive her because Ginny's a Weasley and I love every little red-headed hair on their head - including my dear sweet Percy.
And no, the pregnancy presented no real negative consequence that moved me as a reader as it gave Bella what she'd been asking for anyway, what even the bad guys (the Volturi) told Edward to gift her with anyway, vamperisim and a bonus super baby. Not to mention, better sex with Edward, and super duper powers without any of the newborn bloodlust consequences.
As for Hermione. I might be projecting, but I feel like you're trying to paint a picture of Hermione's as a girl comparable to Katniss when she wasn't anything like the new 'warrior girl' model. Katniss is a fighter, a strong willed, independent, not even sure if she wants or needs a man character. Ignoring the complicated mess that is Mockingjay, Katniss is almost the polar opposite of Bella. Annabeth in the Percy Jackson series was far more that person than Hermione ever was. Hermione is nothing like that super confident warrior girl, she spends too much time nervous in a fight for that and she's certainly very flawed. And one mentally-stressed-out slap from sleep deprived, going a little out-of-her mind Hermione (and stealing Ron's lines in the movies) doesn't change the fact the girl in the books with the overbite often had to have the boys stand up for her. Certainly she was clever, but as the books said "cleverness" and "books" do not the hero make, Hermione values the "friendship and bravery" over that and tells Harry that's what makes him great.
As for Hermione's jealousy of the ease of the Ron-Harry friendship. We all project - it's a reason people choose and love the stories they love, I admit to maybe projecting. I get Hermione, she is my current (college) self, out to prove I belong through knowing the books. When her Boggart was a bad grade, I could totally see that being me. Or being the weirdo upset about a canceled test that I couldn't wait to prove myself in and it all is truly and insecurity with me. Amazingly, I was in College (round one, as I've returned presently) when I was forced to read the first Harry Potter book (before any of the movies were made) and felt very much at one with the over-achiever with the overbite. One of her early lines "I've learned all my course books off by heart, I hope it'll be enough" has always felt like that "I hope it'll be enough" was a slip. Because she's bragging before then, about how Hogwarts is so great, but how does she really know? She seems to want to sound like a person 'in the know' instead of a person who 'has a lot to learn'. Which is the person Harry is (exibiting her values of friendship and bravery - things she seem to imply she lacks in comparison to him at the end of Philosopher) and he does makes friends instantly, easily, and immediately.
I guess it comes down to what a person respects as they look back on the series. Harry, Hermione, and Ron were a unique and beautiful team who all had flaws, strengths, and weakness - they were all also good people. And they were a special sort of love story, the whole book was about the power of love, just not necessarily (or at all really) a romantic one.
Heidi wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Also, when did Bella break her ribs and her pelvis in Twilight? "Or when was she "depressed or whiney" in Twilight? (which is the first book, not the second)
I'll buy her wanting ..."
I think it was just an over all feel of Bella's personality, i mean i just kept thinking life can be shit sometimes woman get over it stop whining, well ok in Twilight she is whinging more than she is whining but the point still stands. Also when people ask about Twilght they normally are refering to the whole series not just the first book, it is the Twilight series, not being annoying just saying ;) you are entitled to your opinion obviously xxx
Heidi wrote: "Wow, you really like twisting around words don't you? You know, you did that with me too. Tryed to convince me that when people curl up into the ball (which I do when Im cold) its the equivalent of wahhhhh! Which I just thought it ment - I'm cold. Who knew?"Actually, I really do think that Meyer did mean to say that Bella had a emotional melt down there, I do however, not believe that Meyer meant to say that Bella was going through a four month run of depression in "new moon", but rather that life without Ed felt empty to her.
Mickey wrote: "She's not idealized. That's the problem."
Ah, but she is.
And the author is telling us as much from the get go by her name already, she's practically a relative of Arielle, the little mermaid; "twilight" is just a fairy tale.
I'm not arguing that Bella may be a more interesting character to read than Hermione, but I can't see her as being terribly realistic. Where Rowling may underplay Hermione, Meyer overplays Bella. Hearing, literally hearing the voice of her ex when she engages in reckless behaviour?
That sure doesn't sound like something real, sane people experience.
Bella does have traits that are more relatable than others, given, but so, I'm pretty sure, will have Hermione, so does most every written character.
cause its...........different and.....wierd
Mickey wrote: "She's not idealized. That's the problem."Gerd wrote:
"Ah, but she is.
And the author is telling us as much from the get go by her name already, she's practically a relative of Arielle, the little mermaid; "twilight" is just a fairy tale.
I'm not arguing that Bella may be a more interesting character to read than Hermione, but I can't see her as being terribly realistic. Where Rowling may underplay Hermione, Meyer overplays Bella. Hearing, literally hearing the voice of her ex when she engages in reckless behaviour?
That sure doesn't sound like something real, sane people experience."
Now I'm totally on the same page with you. Yes, Twilight is a fairy tale. Much like someone else said (I tried to find who said it but I couldnt) already, that against all odds everything is wrapped up in a perfect bow and ends out peachy in the end. Thats the description of a lot of stories. Be it a love story or any story. From Jerry Maguire to Little Mermaid to Miracle. Against all odds - Jerry Maguire, Snow White, The 1980 Hockey team for the winter olypics triumphed.
I have read all of the books. i think the reason of why some of the people hate it, it's because of Bella. And some of the twist in the story. *just my opinion. :)
Wea wrote: "I have read all of the books. i think the reason of why some of the people hate it, it's because of Bella. And some of the twist in the story. *just my opinion. :)"yeah, Bella give Twilight series a bad name :P
Well she is not the typical heroines. She's not a typical damsel in distress either. She’s, well, her own thing, kind of a dead weight. And that is hard to get past.
Elizabeth wrote: " Add into my New Moon reaction that I was mostly annoyed with her because Eddie actually left for a good reason and I respected his reasons and she seemed like she was just being a brat about it, since she couldn't gaze at his hottness anymore. "Ummm, I'm just going to step in here and remind you that Bella didn't know the real reason at that point why he left and he actually LIED to her and said he didn't love her anymore. (Also, I disagreed that it was a good reason...I always thought the reasoning was weak. I mean, Jasper had a freak out so EVERYONE needs to leave? Really? M'kay!)
Anyways, the point is... honestly how can she be a brat and know he has a good reason when the reason she was told was a lie? I agree she was extremely depressed, but I'm just saying...she didn't know the REAL reason.
Heidi wrote: "Mickey wrote: "She's not idealized. That's the problem."Gerd wrote:
"Ah, but she is.
And the author is telling us as much from the get go by her name already, she's practically a relative of Ari..."
I don't think the problem is that it's just wrapped up in a bow and nice and peachy by itself as there was a bunch of build up in the final book for something that NEVER happens. They all "have a chat" and all of the characters people know and love are all left unharmed.
Not to mention she decides to introduce you to a bunch of characters all at the last minute that you have no real time to care about. Even in the battle in book three there is no loss on the good side. The Hobbit is a fairy tale (and a CHILDREN's story) and there is a battle...and there is loss. I don't think it being a fairy tale is an excuse for there being no loss and everything magically works out in the end out of pure "luck".
I think they just haven't read the book, but saw maybe the first and second movie (which both stunk). Or they started reading the books but never got more than 50 pages. in my opinion to get a real "feel" of a book you should read at least half, or 3/4 of it. I once read a book that was horrid until the last chapter (it was a series) and the next book was wonderful.
The thing i cant get past is the fact that there was no frigging fight scene in Breaking dawn, i mean there were loads of angry vamps and big-ass wolves and yet all they do is...TOUCH THE BABY! Excuse me Meyer what the FRAK is wrong with you, an epic fight scene was both warranted and expected, at least by me. xxx
Well I think its because most people only have watched the movie and the book is always better than the movie. I think the series would have been even better if it were like Midnight Sun. Bella's character is a bit weak but if you just ignore that that its actually a good book but its just that sometimes people are very close minded that there just like ugh this book is shi*t when they havent really given it a chance.
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "The thing i cant get past is the fact that there was no frigging fight scene in Breaking dawn, i mean there were loads of angry vamps and big-ass wolves and yet all they do is...TOUCH THE BABY! Exc..."It wouldn't have been as bad if she didn't build up to there being this huge battle between the vamps and the vultroli (no idea how to spell that) and the nothing happen. If she wasn't willing to kill of any of her characters then why set it up towards that?
Bogwurst wrote: "I quote Stephen King:
“Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfri..."
APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfri..."
APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ben wrote: "Edward is 100 years old. If he actually looked like he was 100, he would look like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rup...
Edward is 100 years old. Yet, he spen..."
OMG.lmao at *should be shown to prisoners as a form of torture* you cracked me up!!!Keep On!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rup...
Edward is 100 years old. Yet, he spen..."
OMG.lmao at *should be shown to prisoners as a form of torture* you cracked me up!!!Keep On!
you know, before frequenting twilight threads, I had NO idea that so many people think that there are actually rules regarding completely fictional creatures...I also had no idea that so many people think that the concept of a vampire was created and etched into stone by bram stoker...I just don't understand it.
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok if no one else is going to say it i will, please everyone CALM THE FUCK DOWN! Stop arguing about Bella, she is not a good heroine, even people who love the books admit they dont like Bella, so i..."Oh yeah baby you go BridieJdragon! I so agree with you, there is no need to argue about poor old Bella Swan/Kristen Stewart :D
Bella Swan/Kristen Stewart isn't that bad as an actress, I think she is still pretty :D
I don't hate Twilight. Hating Twilight will be expending precious energy in a series that is not worth my time, while, and unfortunately robbed me a month of my life back in 2008. Yes, when I can read a 600pg book in two days, it took me a month to finish Twilight. The problems with Twilight are many and I can't begin to list them all: poor writing, horrible grammar, no plot, poor characterization, wrong message, etc... I could go on, and on, and on. I do like vampire/shapeshifters (Jacob IS NOT a werewolf) stories; I used to be addicted to Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series.What I find preposterous is when fans of the book start calling it "literary genius" or "a(n) (instant) classic" or "pulitzer worthy". All I wanna do then is puke a little. OK, a lot. A "literary genius" is Ulysses; a(n) (instant) classic is The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn or even most recently, Harry Potter; a Pulitzer worthy is To Kill a Mockingbird; and the list goes on. The fact fans act like the series is a god-sent gift is what makes Twilight unappealing. If you love the series, awesome for you, just don't pretend it's the literary equivalent of the second coming because it truly is NOT.
allegorie wrote: "I don't hate Twilight. Hating Twilight will be expending precious energy in a series that is not worth my time, while, and unfortunately robbed me a month of my life back in 2008. Yes, when I can r..."heheheh...I love your last sentence. How true!
allegorie wrote: "If you love the series, awesome for you, just don't pretend it's the literary equivalent of the second coming because it truly is NOT."Hey, who knows, you may just have exaggerated expectations in the second coming. :D
allegorie wrote: "I don't hate Twilight. Hating Twilight will be expending precious energy in a series that is not worth my time, while, and unfortunately robbed me a month of my life back in 2008. Yes, when I can r..."I agree with what you said about some Twilight fans thinking it's the second coming. Actually, I laughed out loud because you phrased it so perfectly. It's ridiculous, I actually liked the book, but am not obsessed and am well aware it's no literary masterpiece. I don't know how you can say the book didn't have a plot, it didn't have a plot YOU liked. But there was a plot, it was there, whether grammatically correct or not. Then there's the werewolf thing, Jacob IS a werewolf. He's a werewolf because the storyteller made him one. He may not be a traditional werewolf, but he is one. The person who tells the story gets to tell it however he/she likes.
Kirby wrote: "you know, before frequenting twilight threads, I had NO idea that so many people think that there are actually rules regarding completely fictional creatures...I also had no idea that so many peopl..."Thank you! I'm tired of people thinking that Stephanie Meyer's vampires and Bram Stoker's vampires can't 'coexist.'
Talía wrote: "Meyer has ripped into pieces vampire’s myth for these reasons:1.- Vampires are creatures of the night.
2.- They are killers, predators, sinners, lustful creatures. They are everything that means ..."
1. I'm a grownup and I loved this book.
2. I didn't analyze a message, I wasn't looking for one, I was reading this book to relax
3. I didn't walk away from the book thinking that ANY of the things you mentioned were okay; superficial/codependant relationships etc
4. I'm a big sister to several young girls, they all read it, none of them got those messages either, have a little faith in today's youth
5. Vampires are a mythical creature, made up in someone's imagination. You are speaking of a traditional vampire. There can be infinite other kinds, you don't get to make those laws. Neither did Bram Stoker. To impose laws and rules like this is like CENSORING SOMEONE'S IMAGINATION - YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
6. If something is dangerous or could hurt me, I'd run, whether it sparkled or not.
7. I've read and loved most of the books you've mentioned.
Lea wrote: "Talía wrote: "Meyer has ripped into pieces vampire’s myth for these reasons:1.- Vampires are creatures of the night.
2.- They are killers, predators, sinners, lustful creatures. They are everythi..."
@ Lea. Amen. LOL
Mariah (awesome+crazy=me!!!) wrote: "Beth wrote: "Because vampires AREN'T SUPPOSE TO SPARKLE!!!!"EXACTLY!"
WHO MAKES UP THE LAWS ABOUT MYTHICAL CREATURES?! NO ONE. Get over the sparkling, get over it. The person writing/telling the story can make anybody do anything. That's how storytelling works girls!
Mariah (awesome+crazy=me!!!) wrote: "Devin...."RAWR!" wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "WHY is everyone comparing Twilight to Harry Potter, they have NOTHING in common, there is no SPARKLES in Harry Potter, therefore Harry Potter WINS, en..."Any two books can be compared, if they truly had no comparisons to be drawn between them, it wouldn't have come up at all.
Jasmine wrote: "Heidi wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Personally to me she seemed over dramatic and unreal."When I was in high school I saw a lot more drama queens (guys and girls) then I did see heroines. I really can'..."
My best friend, and the love of my life, pretty much disappeared during my freshman year of college. Ran off to be somewhere else without telling anyone. I made it to classes, but besides that, I was emotionally shut down I spent at least a month moping in bed. He was a very, very important part of my life. To have him gone so suddenly was definitely traumatic.
Lea wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Heidi wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Personally to me she seemed over dramatic and unreal."When I was in high school I saw a lot more drama queens (guys and girls) then I did see heroine..."
yeah but you probably knew the boy for more than a few weeks x
well I don't really hate these books but compared to other books which are similar to these series,such as Vampire Academy or Mortal Instruments,I found them less interesting.First of all,I hate that presentation of such a weak female character.Bella is always behind Edward and doesn't make her own decisions.I also got bored with the plot which wasn't so great to my opinion especially in the 2nd book.Nevertheless,I watched the movies and enjoyed some of the action but as I said,compared to other series I find it less appealing.That's my opinion.:)
Don't get me wrong, I do understand why it's a best seller and I'm not saying it COMPLETELY AWFUL. I like the teen/vampire/wolf concept, I just don't particularly like what HAPPENS. Plus there was so much HYPE about it, its bound to have raised peoples expectations to unrealistic standards so disapointment (in some cases) when people do read the book is inevitable.Plus, you can't say it involves the best themes e.g. teen pregnancy, abandoning your family, abuse, complete dependence on a lad who you've only just met (who is completely controlling and often rather creepy!), obsession, the fact she (debatably) only agreed to marry him to have sex and be turned into a vampire.
Other than that, it's ok haha.
Lea wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Heidi wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Personally to me she seemed over dramatic and unreal."When I was in high school I saw a lot more drama queens (guys and girls) then I did see heroine..."
I think she spent somewhere from 4 to 6 months in that state...and then she tried to hear voices...
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Oh yeah you tell it like it is Lauryn!! I mean i'm jelous that Bella and Edward are together as Boyfriend & Girlfriend! I want a boyfriend :-'(
Amy wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Oh yeah you tell it like it is Lauryn!! I mean i'm jelous that Bella and Edward are together as Boyfriend & Girl..."
but do you want a relationship like they have? that's what is ment by being jealous of what they have. Even if I want a boyfriend I wouldnt want something like this
Deb wrote: "heheheh...I love your last sentence. How true!"thank you :) It just came to me; I have my moments hahaha
Gerd wrote: "allegorie wrote: "If you love the series, awesome for you, just don't pretend it's the literary equivalent of the second coming because it truly is NOT."Hey, who knows, you may just have exaggera..."
then it makes crazy fanatics even sadder, doesn't it? ;)
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
I must say... i really like your approach.
Lea wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Heidi wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Personally to me she seemed over dramatic and unreal."When I was in high school I saw a lot more drama queens (guys and girls) then I did see heroine..."
a few months? it was love at first sight though.
Devin...."RAWR!" wrote: "Lea wrote: "Talía wrote: "Meyer has ripped into pieces vampire’s myth for these reasons:1.- Vampires are creatures of the night.
2.- They are killers, predators, sinners, lustful creatures. They ..."
Thank you - I'm fine debating points of the story with everyone but the made up facts about fictional creatures...for some reason it's just getting to me.
i think the majority of people dont hate twilight until they start thinking about it ... as a trashy vampire read it is very enjoyable the problem is when you start looking at the characters and that is when i started having the same reaction that i had to tess of the durbevilles which was to slap bella and tell her to stop being such a naval gazing submissive wimp !!the whole breaking into her house to watch her sleep thing was creepy and their relationship is not one i would consider healthy , blood sucking monster boyfriend or not !!
I really did enjoy the books to begin with and The Host is a very good book but i may never forgive the twilight series for spawning the utter rubbish that is fifty shades of grey ... for that alone i have become a hater !!!! lol
Lea wrote: "Lea wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Heidi wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Personally to me she seemed over dramatic and unreal."When I was in high school I saw a lot more drama queens (guys and girls) then I did..."
What does that have to do with it? Many people have lost loved ones, and most of them cope with it after a healthy grief period (plus it's not like he died he just doesn't want her anymore, from her point of view) without trying to hear voices or almost being put into a mental hospital.
Vanessa wrote: "or is it also because the author made the vampires sparkle under the sun instead of getting burned to ashes? :)"Vampires don't sparkle...probably one of the few issues I have with the books
Carol wrote: "I don't hate the books. I don't like them, but I don't hate them. The chief source of my annoyance is with the whole Twilight phenomenon, and with the fans. 40 year old women crushing on teenage..."With the Twilight Series, as people have commented already, it is the series that people ‘Love to Hate’. It makes sense. The phenomenon surrounding the books was infuriating, frustrating and just plain annoying. When people love a series so much, and get so caught up about it, down to the point of obsession, it ruins the series for everyone else. I did not even want to pick up the books, but I did. This way, I was able to judge for myself whether I thought the hype around it was necessary or not. And it definitely wasn’t. Stephanie Meyer’s series was a reasonably well written piece of literature, however the immature and senseless behaviour on Bella’s part was terrible, and honestly, I hope that no one turns out like this in love.
X wrote: "Um, not so much, OP.These two cardboard cutouts have a flat, uninteresting version of romance with all the depth of a cereal bowl.
I disliked the navel gazing, Mary Sue MC, endless repetition, a..."
This, exactly.
I wish I could say why people hate anything I believe it ok to dislike something But to hurtful and spiteful about something is wrong it’s disrespectful to the writer the reader the book editor book agents to readers themselves the disliker and the people what we can do are self is not to spared the hate the hater of twilight is not to tall rat it not by hating back but to stop it all have to . Franklin D. Roosevelt and theodore roosevelt both said some really good point
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Reading the books you never picked up on the fact the Hermione was overcompensating for being a muggleborn? She was constantly going above and beyond to prove herself just look at her 3rd year. I think Dawn was referring to Twilight, not New Moon, with the broken bones stuff but I can't be sure.