Once Upon A Time

[Becky]

I totally felt bad for Regina, and especially how she was treated at the party. Though she's no slouch I loved how she stood up to Grouchy! I hope this change in her sticks, and her mom doesn't ruin everything!

[Robyn]

I agree with everyone....
feeling bad for Regina
sad Jimmy Cricket was killed and then releaved it find he wasn't.
I was also very disappointed in Emma. I don't know if it is a ploy or not but Gold could have completely played them all when he told Emma how she would see what happened. That didn't even dawn on any of them.
It was so sad that she had to tell the kid the Doc/Jiminey was killed and possibly by Regina.

[Kuki]

I also felt bad for Regina.

I think I remember that Dr Whale (Jimmy Cricket) had a twin brother during the Halloween show, I think he died but I can't remember. Does anyone else remember?

[Jackie]

Jiminy Cricket isn't Dr Whale, that's the blonde doctor, a bit of a jerk, he went out once with Mary Margaret and spent the whole date staring at Ruby's ass.

I don't remember Jiminy and a twin, but I don't have that great a memory, better minds will need to refresh us, lol

[Kuki]

Yes Jackie I got it mixed up Jimmy Cricket is Dr Hopper.

It is Dr Whale that had a brother but now that I am thinking about it I don't think he was a twin but maybe a younger brother. It kind of was like a Dr Frankenstein episode where he tried to bring him back from the dead and needed a heart. I can't remember who tried to get a heart for him.

[Jackie]

Dr Hopper! I couldn't remember his name! Makes sense now, Hopper, Cricket, lol

Oh Yes! Now I remember that scene! I forgot all about him being Dr Frankenstein mad scientist.

[Myra]

What's happened to Rumple??? I'm not quite sure what Hook meant when he said what had happened could not be undone now. Has he lost his memory or what?

[Jackie]

No, Belle lost her memory. Belle's belief in Rumple is the only thing that keeps him in check. The memory thing is forever. Belle will never remember Rumple. Hook messed up, sure he hurt Rumple by taking away Belle's love for him, but now there is nothing to hold Rumple back. I wouldn't want to be Hook right about now. I didn't hate him before, but I do now. He's a coward, going after Belle like that.

[Myra]

Thanks, Jackie. I just didn't catch what was happening. Guess I ought to re-watch.

[Jackie]

Maybe just those last few minutes. If I got something wrong, then you can tell me. I already deleted it off my DVR. It was quite shocking and happened so fast.

[Christine]

I think you got it right. It did happen fast and unexpectedly and I think they wrote it to be that way. I no longer feel sorry for Hook. I thought there was some good left in him but I am afraid not. I am curious about who was in the car and why he was able to enter Storybrooke.

[Jackie]

I'm done with Hook. Belle was innocent, so in my book, he's even worse than Rumple, Hook and the wife wronged Rumple so I get why he had to have his revenge and he took it out on them, not some innocent person that has nothing to do with it all.

[Holli]

I was really upset and shocked by Hook doing that. It was awful!

[Jackie]

I knew he was a rogue, but I didn't think he heartless and cruel.

[Jackie]

I just saw the preview again and I was wrong, that is not Emma's ex BF. I had to play it a few times to be sure. I have no idea who that guy is.

[Holli]

Now that Once Upon a Time‘s Hook is out in the open, will we get to see him interact with the other residents of Storybrooke? –Stefanie
You mean, presuming he survived getting mowed down by The Outsider, right? (Of course he lives.) Well, to perhaps – perhaps! – answer your question, I’ll offer up this scooplet. “Emma’s love life is going to get really complicated,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz told me last week. In fact, across Storybrooke at large, he said, “The permutations of romance will continue to turn as we move forward.”

[Christine]

That sounds intriguing. I can hardly wait.

[Robyn]

Per Christines question/comment about the stranger...I thought now that the curse was broken ANYONE could come IN to StoryBrook but no one currently in toe could keave without getting a mind erase. Weren't they talking about that and the potential danger it brings earlier in this episode?

[Holli]

Yes I believe so Roxy.... Grumpy was talking to Snow and Emma about that and what that would mean for them all.

[Holli]

I'm not really feeling this whole Frankenstein story for some reason.

[Jackie]

Yeah, me neither.

[Kelley]

Yeah, I'm don't understand how it fits with fairy tales. To me, Frankenstein falls under horror and monsters, not fairy tales. I didn't get the connection.

[Jackie]

I didn't mind when it was a Halloween episode, it fit the holiday and we learned who Dr Whale is. I still don't know the connection between the names though, Whale and Frankenstein. Other characters have some kind of bond, Hopper is Jiminy Cricket, Ruby is Red Riding Hood. Not everyone, I know, but Dr Whale is such an odd name, it's not like Mary Margaret or David, I would think it had meaning.
Anyway, yeah, after the Halloween episode, I'm good with the Frankenstein story, I don't need any more of that even though I do like horror, I don't see a place for it in a fairy tale context. I know fairytales have a horrific quality to them, but Frankenstein is not in the same vein as fairytale horror.

[Christine]

There is a farfetched connection, Frankenweenie is a Disney movie and ABC is a Disney company. Alice in Wonderland is not a fairy tale either and we had that story. Its a plot by Disney to take over the world, lol.

[Jackie]

I think you're right, they already took over Marvel!

[Robyn]

Henry points out that Frankenstein is not a fairy tale at the end of the episode. He points out that Frank is not in the book which means he comes from another world which opens it up the possibility to other worlds accessing them.

[Timothy]

They own marvel and star wars so cora may team up with vader next season.

[Holli]

That's true Christine... they did bring Alice in Wonderland in... you're right. And I'm with you Jackie in trying to figure out the Dr. Whale name connection. And isn't Frankenstein his brother?? So I'm always confused why they reference Dr Whale and call HIM Dr. Frankenstein. Like Roxy said, Henry did point out he's "not in the book so why is he and who else could be there from another land that they don't know about?"

[Jackie]

In Mary Shelly's book, the creature has no name, people mistake the doctor, the creator, Dr. Frankenstein for the monster's name. So Whale would be Dr Frankenstein and the brother is just The Creature, or Monster.

Hook is from a book too, not a fairytale. The difference is that Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland are Fantasy books whereas Frankenstein is a Horror novel. I have no problem with characters from fantasy books since it still fits the theme of the show. Horror, that opens up a can of worms I'd rather not get into.

[Christine]

Some people do consider Horror a subgenre of Fantasy. I am not one of them but that might be why Frankenstein is lumped in with the other stories.

[Jackie]

I know, but if they're gonna call Horror a sub-genre of Fantasy then by those same standards, all Fiction could be argued as a sub-genre of Fantasy also.
They just need to draw a line here, somewhere, because anything from any book can pop up into OUAT and that takes away from the original premise of the show.

[Holli]

OOOHHHHH, makes sense now Jackie... Thank you!!!

[Jackie]

I think the misconception happens because the creature has so often been referred to as 'The Frankenstein Monster', that does make it sound like his name is 'Frankenstein' and he just happens to be a monster, lol

[Holli]

Once Upon a Time is welcoming back a face from the past.

Jamie Dornan, who played the Sheriff/Huntsman, is headed back to Storybrooke, ABC confirms.

Dornan’s non-fairytale character Sheriff Graham was killed off in Season 1, but the Huntsman (as the show’s creators have repeatedly reminded us) could still appear in flashbacks. However, the actor recently was spotted on set wearing his Storybrooke clothes.

Dornan last appeared as the Huntsman and was instrumental in helping Charming escape from imprisonment in the Evil Queen’s castle.

[Jackie]

Wow, James was quite the asshole.

Henry asked Rumple if he ever left Storybrook before and he said no, so how did he get Henry? Henry wasn't born in Storybrook, and as far as we know, there are no outside agents to do Rumple's bidding. I always assumed he went and got the baby for Regina himself.


Preview for next week, I'll bet Bey is Emma's ex, Henry's father.

[Robyn]

I was thinking the same thing. That or it's going to be Pinochio looking for Bey too. Or did Pinochio come back already and I forgot?

[Jackie]

Pinocchio is August, the one who added pages to Henry's book. I don't remember what happened to him. Anyone remember? Please refresh me. TY

[Robyn]

August, yes. I couldn't remember his name.

[Jackie]

I just remember when he was turning to wood. I assume he lived, but I don't really remember what happened afterwards.

[Robyn]

Same here.

[Kelley]

I don't think they showed August dying after he turned to wood so he probably is still alive. If the curse was broken then he should be human now, right?
Also have to agree that James was an ass the way he treated the giants and Jack.

[Holli]

This Sunday on Once Upon a Time (ABC, 8/7c), though Mr. Gold and Emma’s jaunt to New York City is at the fore, flashbacks to Rumplestiltskin in the fairytale land that was will leave viewers of the series with a most unwelcome souvenir.

But first, there’s the matter of finding Rumple’s son Baelfire, who apparently wound up in the Big Apple after being sent to our realm — without his father — in Season 1′s “The Return.”

“When I first read this script, it sort of felt like a season finale,” raves Jennifer Morrison, whose onetime bail bondswoman helps suss out Bae. “So much that has been building up for so long happens all at once in this episode. It’s definitely a payoff to a lot of questions.”

Of course, forever-speculating Once fans have their theories on Bae. But as Rumplestiltskin (played by Robert Carlyle) learns this week in flashback, just because you think you know what’s going to happen, that doesn’t mean you know what’s going to happen. “That is really true,” Morrison affirms. “[Series creators] Eddy [Kitsis] and Adam [Horowitz] did an incredible job of setting up the circumstances for everything to come out in a very particular way. I didn’t see it all coming this way at all.”

Because, for example, if Rumplestiltskin reunites with his boy, it won’t necessarily be “happy to see me.” Instead, a rather complicated father/son talk may be on tap. Morrison, for one, is a huge fan of delving into such dysfunction. “What drew me to this show in the first place, and what I always loved the most about it, is when we go deeper into the relationships of the people that we got to know initially,” she says.

Giving the storyline added gravitas is the fact that it plays out away from Storybrooke in New York City, an environment without magic (sparkly Times Square billboards notwithstanding). So when words need to be had and as problems demand to be hashed out, Once transforms into (almost) your typical TV drama.

“That is a big difference about this particular episode,” Morrison notes. “On this show there is a lot of heightened, sort of fantastical elements, so it is an interesting relief to ‘take a breath’ in the real world, where there is no magical solution to something. It’s just real people with real problems, and they’re going to have to deal with it.”

All told, Morrison says that when father and son do come face to face, “It’s incredibly emotional” — for Rumple, at least. For Bae, however, “It’s everything he’s worked so hard to avoid for his entire life. So, there’s conflict and love going on at the same time in that moment.”

Speaking of conflict: As alluded to above, the episode’s flashbacks pack as much of a punch as the New York City story, when Rumplestiltskin’s stint in the Ogre Wars is rerouted by a run-in with a blind seer. That storyline plays out in a way that not only explains how things went sour between the spinner and his wife Milah (and reveals where he got his limp), but also drops in viewers’ laps a bombshell they never saw coming nor thought to expect.

“It definitely puts the audience in a very tumultuous situation, in terms of being in on that piece of information and constantly sort of waiting for this thing to jump out around the corner,” Morrison teases. “It’s an incredible element of suspense that’s been built into upcoming episodes.”

[Jackie]

I think Bey is Emma's ex, Henry's father.

[Holli]

Once Upon a Time | If you follow me on Twitter, you know how I feel about this Sunday’s pretty damn pivotal episode, “Manhattan” — IMO, it’s the best hour of the season and one of the strongest since the pilot. And while some of you believe to have the mystery of Rumplestiltskin’s son all figured out, I shall relate a lesson Bae’s dad is about to learn from a sneaky seer: Just because you know what’s going to happen doesn’t mean you know what’s going to happen. I relayed a couple scooplets in Ask Ausiello, but here are more: Hook proves adept at translating treasure maps but less so at fending off witchy women; David and Mary Margaret have a rather hilarious conversation about their family tree and what Thanksgiving dinner might look like this year; a three-month-old mystery is solved; Cora, sporting a modern-day Maine makeover, has a tender talk with Regina; and a grim fate is surprisingly revealed for a major character. Also: There’s some terrific work by both Robert Carlyle and Jennifer Morrison

[Holli]

Question: Is there any chance Once Upon a Time fans will ever get a flashback to the day Regina first adopted Henry? —Lanie
Ausiello: In a manner of speaking, yes. “We are going to explore the origins of what made Regina go get Henry,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz reveals, “what made Regina want a child.”

Question: Once Upon a Time‘s Henry/Neal/Emma rocked “Manhattan.” What’s next for my favorite family? —Patti
Ausiello: What’s next? Uh, major complications. ”Emma’s not going to forgive Neal or ask for him to be in her life romantically, but she at least feels that it would probably be best for Henry to have Neal in his life,” Jennifer Morrison told TVLine’s Matt Mitovich. “But in the midst of Emma asking Neal [about that], it’s revealed to her that he has a fiancee, a whole life that’s been going on. So, that definitely is complicated!”

[Jackie]

I don't care why Regina wanted a child, I want to know how Rumple got his hands on that kid when no one could leave Storybrooke. And did he know who Emma was at that time, I kinda think he had to know. Of all the kids who needed adoption, Henry is the kid he gets? That can't be a coincidence.

[Myra]

Now that Rumple knows that Henry is his grandson, does anyone think Henry is in danger from him? The end of "Manhattan" seemed to imply that Rumple wouldn't be stopped simply because of the relatinoship.

[Jackie]

I don't know that he's in any specific danger, but Rumple will use Henry to meet his agenda without regard to the relationship if it's what's needed.

[Holli]

Question: I’ve just finished watching the first season of Once Upon a Time and I love it, especially the relationship between Emma and August/Pinocchio. Do you know if he is coming back in Season 2? —Gaia
Ausiello: Yes, as previously reported, Eion Bailey will resurface later this season as August — as will Jamie Dornan as Sheriff Graham/The Huntsman! — but Emma will only reunite with one the fellas. “I don’t have scenes with Jamie, unfortunately,” Jennifer Morrison shares with us, “but I do have scenes with Eion.” Bonus Scoop: Though Matt Mitovich teased that there would be one death in this Sunday’s episode, technically there are two — one in each realm.

[Holli]

Once Upon a Time‘s Mad Hatter may soon get an ABC tea party of his very own.

The network is thinking about spinning off the Alice in Wonderland-based character, who has appeared in six episodes of the fairytale drama, into his own series, according to our sister site Deadline.

The only problem: Portrayer Sebastian Stan is unavailable for a return and the potential new project, so the series is looking to recast the role. Just last week, TVLine asked series creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis if Stan was due for an encore anytime soon; they said his schedule with the Broadway revival of Picnic (and the next Captain America pic) prohibited it.

The new Hatter would be cast as a guest star with a series option, similar to what the show has done with Emile de Ravin, Meghan Ory and Colin O’Donoghue.