TV We've Just Watched discussion
Scifi/Fantasy
>
Once Upon A Time
Great teases. I can't wait for this to really get under way.
Thanks for this new thread. I'm really liking it. I can't wait for Sunday.
Wow, what a bitch. You all know who I mean. I knew it was the old man who she loved the most but her father? No, didn't see that coming. Pam from True Blood kinda sucked as Malificient. I was disappointed, I thought she'd be better.
Emma is a bit kick-ass.
What I really want to know about is, how did Snow White destroy the Evil Queen's life? Was she supposed to marry Prince Charming?
I was wondering that question too and the only thing I can come up with is because the mirror told her she's not as beautiful as Snow White and that obsession ruined her life.
It has to be more than that, something specific. If it's EQ's obsession then Snow White had little to do with it, EQ made it sound like SW was directly involved in whatever happened.
I thought there was something said that implied her lover died, but not sure. Was Snow White responsible for killing someone? It has been a very long time since I read the story, but didn't she kill the Huntsman? Or is that a different fairy tale? LOL I agree with Jackie that it had to be something specific and major for her to do what she did. I am liking this show so far.
Kelley, yes, Malificient said something about how EQ was supposed to be getting married and EQ said it was all Snow's fault why not. I can't remember exactly. But it's more than vanity, something big had to spawn the obsession. And EQ keeps saying revenge, why would you get revenge on someone for being pretty? If she used those looks to, say, steal your lover, then yes, I can see wanting revenge, but it's less about Snow's looks than whatever she did to EQ to cause her such misery and heartbreak.I can't remember the fairytale either, way too long ago.
I've been thinking and this is what makes the most sense to me: EQ was supposed to marry Prince Charming and then Snow came along.
It would have to be something major like that for EQ to do what she did. I think I might go back and check out the fairy tale again.
I don't know that rereading the fairy tales would help, they seem to be going in a whole different direction, which I like. Now that I'm thinking more about it, doesn't it seems rather obvious and mundane if PC is the reason for EQ's madness? Boring and predictable. I hope it's something we haven't thought of.
That's why I was thinking the person she loved was either killed by Snow White or SW was somehow responsible. But whatever it is, the EQ seems to hate all the fairy tale characters so it seems to me that it's something all are guilty of--at least in her mind. She also doesn't even care for her own safety in casting the spell AND she killed her own father so it has to be something major. If it isn't, I will be disappointed.
Yes, Snow being responsible for a death that matters to EQ would be a better story.
Its someone EQ loved because the father tells her she can love again.
I got the impression that Snow was responsible for the death of EQ's love. But I'd have to watch it again to be sure. There's so much going on - but I'm loving it! Great show!
I'm going to go with SW killed or stole away EQ's true love and now since EQ can't be happy NO ONE can be happy. That's why she hates everyone in the town. She hates that they all have true love and happiness and great lives and she has nothing (according to her).I believe in the original fairytale, if they choose to follow that at all, it's all about EQ's vanity and why she hates SW. SW is actually her step-daughter in the fairytale. I think they are going in a different direction with the show though.
Here's the original fairytale:Once upon a time as a queen sits sewing at her window, she pricks her finger on her needle and three drops of blood fall on the snow that had fallen on her ebony window frame. As she looks at the blood on the snow, she says to herself, "Oh, how I wish that I had a daughter that had skin white as snow, lips red as blood, and hair black as ebony". Soon after that, the queen gives birth to a baby girl who has skin white as snow, lips red as blood, and hair black as ebony. They name her Princess Snow White. As soon as the child is born, the queen dies.
Soon after, the king takes a new wife, who is beautiful but also very vain. The Queen possesses a magical mirror, an animate object that answers any question, to whom she often asks: "Mirror, mirror on the wall / Who is the most beautiful of all?" (in German "Spieglein, Spieglein, an der Wand / Wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land?") to which the mirror always replies "You, my queen, are fairest of all." But when Snow White reaches the age of seven, she becomes as beautiful as the day, and when the queen asks her mirror, it responds: "Queen, you are full fair, 'tis true, but Snow White is fairer than you." Though in another version, the mirror simply replies: "Snow White is the fairest of them all."
The queen becomes jealous, and orders a huntsman to take Snow White into the woods to be killed. She demands that the huntsman, as proof of killing Snow White, return with her lungs and her liver. The huntsman takes Snow White into the forest, but after raising his knife to stab her, he finds himself unable to kill her. Instead, he lets her go, telling her to flee and hide from the Queen. He then brings the queen the lungs and the liver of a boar, which is prepared by the cook and eaten by the queen.
In the forest, Snow White discovers a tiny cottage belonging to a group of seven dwarves, where she rests. There, the dwarves take pity on her, saying "If you will keep house for us, and cook, make beds, wash, sew, and knit, and keep everything clean and orderly, then you can stay with us, and you shall have everything that you want." They warn her to take care and let no one in when they are away delving in the mountains. Meanwhile, the Queen asks her mirror once again "Who's the fairest of them all?", and is horrified to learn that Snow White is not only alive and well and living with the dwarves, but is still the fairest of them all.
Three times the Queen disguises herself and visits the dwarves' cottage while they are away during the day, trying to kill Snow White. First, disguised as a peddler, the Queen offers colorful stay-laces and laces Snow White up so tight that she faints, causing the Queen to leave her dead on the floor. However, Snow White is revived by the dwarves when they loosen the laces. Next, the Queen dresses as a different old woman and brushes Snow White's hair with a poisoned comb. Snow White again collapses, but again is saved by the dwarves. Finally, the Queen makes a poisoned apple, and in the disguise of a farmer's wife, offers it to Snow White. When she is hesitant to accept it, the Queen cuts the apple in half, eats the white part and gives the poisoned red part to Snow White. She eats the apple eagerly and immediately falls into a deep stupor. When the dwarves find her, they cannot revive her, and they place her in a glass coffin, assuming that she is dead.
Time passes, and a prince traveling through the land sees Snow White. He strides to her coffin. The prince is enchanted by her beauty and instantly falls in love with her. He begs the dwarves to let him have the coffin. The prince's servants carry the coffin away. While doing so, they stumble on some bushes and the movement causes the piece of poisoned apple to dislodge from Snow White's throat, awakening her. The prince then declares his love for her and soon a wedding is planned.
The vain Queen, still believing that Snow White is dead, once again asks her mirror who is the fairest in the land, and yet again the mirror disappoints her by responding that "You, my queen, are fair; it is true. But the young queen is a thousand times fairer than you."
Not knowing that this new queen was indeed her stepdaughter, she arrives at the wedding, and her heart fills with the deepest of dread when she realizes the truth. As punishment for her wicked ways, a pair of heated iron shoes are brought forth with tongs and placed before the Queen. She is then forced to step into the iron shoes and dance until she drops dead. (Other versions imply that she dies of a heart attack.)[3
I love that Mr. Gold is Rumplestiltskin and that he still remembers :)
The article goes on the say: In their first edition, the Brothers Grimm published the version they had first collected, in which the villain of the piece is Snow White's jealous mother. In a version sent to another folklorist prior to the first edition, she does not order a servant to take her to the woods, but takes her there herself to gather flowers and abandons her; in the first edition, this task was transferred to a servant. It is believed that the change to a stepmother in later editions was to tone down the story for children. Has anyone seen this movie: Snow White: A Tale of Terror http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119227/
I think I remember something about this movie. Sounds interesting.
If my vid store has it, I'll rent it and let you know how it is.
Once Upon a Time | This much we know about young Henry: His birth mom, Emma, is significant because she has the power to undo the Evil Queen’s curse. And Henry himself is significant because he apparently offers Regina a “second chance” of sorts, seeing as he’s named after the father she sacrificed to exact “the curse to end all curses.” But what about Henry’s birth dad? Who is he, will we ever meet him, and how might he fit into the picture? Or is that perhaps a big Season 1 finale bombshell? “That might be a Season 6 finale!” Jennifer Morrison responded with a laugh when I popped the paternity question. “I’ve heard rumblings of ideas about Henry’s father and how he fits into all of this,” she went on to share, “but that is something that is definitely going to take a long time to be revealed.”
Jackie - wow. I looked that movie up on IMDB. Certainly not Disneys Snow White. Netflix doesNOT have it on instant watch and I can't check right now if it is available on disk. I'm going to add it to my to watch list one way or another.
Our vid store has it, now it's just a matter of time as to when I can pick it up. I'll let you know if it's good or not. Sounds interesting though.
OUAP just got picked up for a full season. The network has ordered more episodes. Sorry I don't have a link, it was mentioned in an EW article.
I got the movie today; it was a cheesy TV movie, I didn't bother finishing it.
That's too bad. I was hoping it would be good because I was thinking of renting it.
It was only a dollar because it was an old vid. I just didn't want to put the time in as it was going soooooo slow. Others may like it.
Thanks for the heads up on that movie Jackie. I just finished watching tonight's episode. Have I said yet how much I am loving this show?!! It really sucks you in!
Damn that queen/mayor! She is at the bottom of everything!
And have I mentioned how much i love Emma? She is so tough and smart. She doesn't take any crap and it's fantastic.
Do we know who the sheriff is? Has his other identity been mentioned yet?
I don't know who the sheriff is but he's kinda cute.I really dislike the evil mayor, what a bitch.
I was wondering if the sheriff wasn't Henry's father but then I decided he couldn't be because Emma would recognize him. They I thought maybe while she's in the town her memory is affected just like everyone else's.I liked last night's episode a lot. They explained why the Queen is angry at Snow White and I liked that but I didn't totally like that they changed the Snow White story.
Michael, I like your theory about the sheriff and Emma, he did seem attracted to her in the way he looked at her when they first met. Even EQ noticed. And your explanation fits perfectly. I don't know why the Queen is angry with Snow White, just that Snow admitted to 'ruining her life'. I want more details than that.
I am LOVING this show, it has really drawn me in! The characters are growing so much. I'm curious to see who the Dr. is as well! I really like Henry!
The more I thought about my idea of Emma and the Sheriff the more I thought it can't be. The fairy tale folks aren't from our world (or dimension) and Emma and Storybrooke are. The Sheriff is part of the fairy world and Emma is part of our world so there never would have been an opportunity for the two of them to meet. Back to the drawing board!I loved the trolls! I missed the stuff she threw at them to turn them into bugs. Did anyone catch what it was?
Oh damn. The trolls were scary. Excellent makeup.
It was faery dust that she threw at the trolls, but not average faery dust. She must have got it from a dark faery. I thought it was interesting that Prince Charming was going to wed that blonde instead of the Queen. And they are definitely playing with the Snow White story. I did like SW as a kick-butt thief.
Michael, I had thought the same thing about the sheriff being Henry's dad but could figure out how either. He does seem to care about his well being too. Did anyone else catch that EQ said her HUSBAND was supposed to kill SW? So SW did not stop the EQs wedding but ruined her life some other way. I wonder if EQ killed her hubby when she found out he did not kill SW.
I thought she said 'My Huntsman' like in the original story.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what was said there either, Huntsman or Husband. But, just because she's wed to a guy doesn't mean she loved him. She could be in love with someone else.
She said Huntsman and Snow White is to blame for the death of the Evil Queen's love. Doubt the Sheriff is the baby daddy unless the Sheriff has traveled because I don't think Emma had ever been to Storybrooke.Here's my question...does the Evil Queen remember everything or is her memory mixed up?
So could the sheriff be the huntsman? would explain the school boy crush, and why EQ would want to keep him in line?
EQ is hard to read. She seemes to dislike SW and Emma so even if she doesn't quite remember who she is, she still dislikes the people that she did before the curse. She could be pretending not to remember, too.The sheriff could be the huntsman because the huntsman had pity on SW and let her live so that would explain why he is nice to her.
Sheriff = Huntsman is good. I like it.I'm sure EQ remembers:
1. because it would be the stupidest curse of all time if she included herself. Where's the triumph is she can't remember?
2. because Rumplestilskin/Mr Gold does.
3. because of the look she gave Mr Gold when he said "Please".
LOL. "stupidest curse of all time if she included herself."Unless the curse backfired on her. She doesn't seem as clueless as everyone else so you are probably right. And, of course, I missed the look and exchange between EQ and Gold. That does imply that she remembers.
I'm loving this show. So much to take in. I guess I never realized the SW story was so dark. I think it's so interesting that they're making two SW movies right now (Kristen Stewart is in one of them).I loved the story of SW being a thief & kick-ass girl. Who was that woman with PC? At first I thought Cinderella.
I think the Sheriff has a crush on Emma. That guy is hot. Wouldn't mind them 2 together.
I'm going to have to do research on this.
Not sure if you heard today, but a woman that played on Lost (Emilie something) has been cast as Belle. So there will be a Beauty & the Beast storyline in the spring.I don't know about you guys, but I really wasn't expecting this many Disney characters. Going to be fascinating to see how they tie it all together.
TV We've Just Watched
Books mentioned in this topic
Ruff Christmas (other topics)The Snow Queen (other topics)
The Snow Queen (other topics)
Outlaw (other topics)
Fables, Vol. 1: Legends in Exile (other topics)
TVLine found answers to those questions and others during a Vancouver set visit arranged by ABC. Read on to find out what the cast and executive producer Steve Pearlman revealed about Once‘s big mysteries.
NOW THAT THE CLOCK IS MOVING, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR STORYBROOKE? | The clock sets events into motion, so things are about to get… interesting. “There is a shift in terms of the energy of the world,” explains Josh Dallas, who plays John Doe/Prince Charming. “There’s something happening now. There’s something in the air.” Which leads us to wonder…
WILL JOHN DOE EVER WAKE UP? | You bet he will. While Dallas can’t reveal when the sleeping charmer will wake from the coma, he does admit that “he’s not in it for long.” And once he does come to, that’s when the real drama begins. “You might find out what his name is,” teases the actor, “who he is, who his family is, and what his maybe real or false memories are.” Having been asleep for a while, it’s understandable that the guy is “very lost” and “confused,” especially since there are “people that are around him that may or may not be saying that they are family members or wives or brothers.” Sadly, the one person he does have a connection to – his fairytale wife – “he probably will not remember,” hints Ginnifer Goodwin (who plays Snow White).
DOES REGINA KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE? | The pilot heavily implied that Regina was aware of her true identity, and her portrayer, Lana Parrilla, agrees that madame mayor “may have an inkling.” Thankfully, this is one mystery that will be solved – and sooner rather than later! “You’ll find out,” promises Parrilla. “Soon. Very soon.”
WHAT OTHER FAIRYTALE CHARACTERS WILL THE SHOW EXPLORE? | A bevy, judging from the list of already announced guest stars: Emma Caulfield (Buffy) as the blind witch from Hansel and Gretel, Jessy Schram (Falling Skies) as Cinderella, Giancarlo Esposito (Breaking Bad) as the Evil Queen’s magic mirror, Alan Dale (Lost) as Prince Charming’s father, and Kristin Bauer van Straten (True Blood) as evil sorceress Maleficent. The last one will make her debut in Episode 2, and she’s got a big beef with her frenemy, the Evil Queen. “You get a very good sense that there’s a history between these two,” previews Pearlman. “Maleficent has something that the Queen wants, and what length will she go to with her dear, old friend to get that?”
Things are much more friendlier between the princesses, who all live inside the Enchanted Forest. “The princesses of the various kingdoms are all girlfriends,” explains Goodwin. That includes Snow and Cinderella, who appears in Episode 4 in the fairytale world and in our world. “Even though we tell her story also in Storybrooke, it really becomes more of a story about Emma,” teases Pearlman.
The real treat of Once, however, is “adding mythology and connecting characters that didn’t connect previously,” says the EP. “We’re doing a Hansel and Gretel story where we bring in the Evil Queen, when she obviously wasn’t in that story originally.”
IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON BETWEEN REGINA AND THE SHERIFF? | Yes, it’s not uncommon for a mayor and a sheriff to have a close relationship, but Regina seems to rely on the lawman a lot. “He’s a very important character in her life,” says Parrilla, “and also in Henry’s life ’cause he stays there. And she trusts him enough to be there, so that says something, too.”
HOW DID REGINA COME TO ADOPT HENRY? AND WHY DID EMMA GIVE HIM AWAY? | “We will touch on that in some episodes, how she adopted him,” promises Pearlman. Meanwhile, the details of Emma’s pregnancy/Henry’s birth are “going to take a long time” to come out, says Jennifer Morrison (Emma). “It’s definitely going to be a slow burn of revealing information about Henry and what he meant to Emma when he was born.” Morrison meanwhile insists that contrary to Regina’s suspicions, Emma is not up to anything sneaky. “Emma does not have the intentions of taking Henry away,” she says. “And yet Regina feels like that could happen if Emma’s around for too long.” There’s also another very important reason Regina feels threatened by Emma’s presence: “She can break this curse, and Regina/Evil Queen will lose her power,” says Parrilla.
IS REGINA/THE EVIL QUEEN REALLY ALL EVIL? | Depends on who you ask. Pearlman believes Regina is one of the “more complicated characters in the show,” but he also admits that her counterpart is not nice at all. “[Evil] is part of her name,” he points out. “She has the license to go there, and I think the audience will expect that from her.” But Parrilla hints that there’s more going on underneath her costumed surface than one might expect. “You will see a vulnerable side to the Queen, which I don’t think anyone’s ever seen on this level with these iconic Disney characters,” the actress offers. “She sheds tears, which is nice to see.” Just like anybody else, the Evil Queen has feelings, even some worthy of waterworks. “There was a time she did love. Deeply,” Parrilla shares. As for Regina, “She does have an agenda, which we learn more about in one of the early episodes,” teases Pearlman.
DO EMMA AND HENRY HAVE FAIRYTALE COUNTERPARTS? | Right now, the mother and son appear to be strictly in our world, but as the wise, little Jared Gilmore, who plays Henry, says, “It’s just the beginning. You never know!”