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Well, thank goodness to that. That seriously just pissed me off. Anyway, I saw that someone said that there was rape in this series and that is not true.Dimitri bit her when he was a Strigoi, yes, that is true but she wanted the bites and they never had sex. She wanted sex and he told her that she wouldn't get it until she turned to be with him. Did you read that part?
WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DO? HIDE AWAY ALL THEIR LIVES EXCEPT WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR KARATE CLASSES JUST SO THEY CAN BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE NEXT PERSON THAT WANTS TO MAKE THEM THEIR VICTIM? GET REAL. Preach it to the damn heavens! She's a fucking vile, disgusting human being. Well done, she got her award for being a world-class cunt.
I know I said I wouldn't comment anymore but I just wanted to mention that Julie did apologize for her comments to me in private. That's all.
Julie *-* wrote: "I said I bow out but I fell the need to comment to you Stormy, What your brother did was being a SMART active victim. He gave them what they wanted and avoided being hurt or having you guys hurt. I..."I know that there are times when it is the persons fault that claims to be a victim. Like my little sister talks shit over the computer and through text messages and then acts like she's so innocent when people come around wanting to beat her ass or something. But when you said to ask a cop of a case when the situation couldn't have been avoided that he probably wouldn't be able to name one, it sounded like you thought that it was always the victims fault.
But you see where you are wrong, so that is fine.
And it was my boyfriend, not my brother. And just because he prevented something worse from happening doesn't mean that he wasn't a victim to theft. His mother bought him that silver chain when he was 13. The only thing that she had bought him and it was engraved with his name on it. He misses it everyday. It was still a bad outcome even though it could have been worse. I cried my eyes out and had nightmares for months. The guys that did this are still out there and live two blocks away. We never know if we might run into them and they recognize us.
Yes, I try to avoid it but just like you said somethings are just unavoidable. You can never truly know someone or what they are capable of until they do it. I also like to take chances because that is what life is about. There are times when I like to hide away and there are times when I like to go out but that's just because I am living and it is my right. I know I can't avoid all things and the only thing I can do is not let it get me down like it did the first time. I will be stronger and that's what these things do, they make you stronger or weaker, whichever you let it.
You've seriously got to stop, you've already offended/insulted people in this post enough with your remarks and now it's time for you to LEAVE.You can't seem to get the fucking point that no one can predict a damn assault in the future. This isn't fucking Final Destination. Also, people don't have a lying/cheating radar, for fuck's sake. We're not part of the X-Men with telepathic abilities. People don't go around thinking that everyone will betray them or cheat on them, because that is unhealthy. The perpetrators shouldn't do that in the first damn place.
I iz speechless. Wow. This thread...Look, I guess I was wrong. Evil stragoi dimitri wasn't forcing Rose to have sex with him. Weird thing is, I remember them being in bed together after he bit her. Do I recall an actual sex scene play-by-play? Not so much, but I could have sworn there was sex. That said, I did read Blood Promise the same day it came out. That was what? 2-3 Years ago. whatever. The point is, I was wrong. And guess what? I'm admitting it, right here on the internet in this nightmare of a thread. Yeah, I'm not too proud to say 'my bad' & apologize--I'm sorry.
See, because when real adults are wrong they own up to their mistakes. They don't go around blaming everyone else. Real adults don't go around doing horrible things to their friends and loved ones and have the audacity to blame them for their own actions ("you made me do it! If you hadn't...").
See what I'm getting at?
Everyone goes around saying Rose is so mature. If she had been she wouldn't have hurt so many people in order to get what she wanted. If rose were so mature she wouldn't have cheated on her boyfriend, she would have broken up with him before getting with Dimitri. Or felt real remorse for doing something so hurtful to someone who loved her so much. Also? She would have appoligized for her actions AND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Adrian wants to tell her off for being a selfish cheating whore? I say he earned that right when she cheated on him. And she should have put on her big girl panties and taken it like the woman everyone seems to think she is. But, no. She didn't do that. She got argumentative and threw it in his face, as if the whole thing was his fault. Because she's a nasty little bitch.
This thread should be called 'Rose is a selfish cheating whore.'. And/or 'it's never the victims fault'
Oh, so I'm not entitled to be fucking offended at your comments? You blew up like the Hulk on LSD over this victim bullshit you spouted above making you look psychotic.What is self defense if it's gang rape? What credibility does self defense hold when you are disabled or weak? Hmm? There was a story about how a girl in a wheelchair who was autistic got raped by 27 men. Tell me, how could she have defended herself?
Also, just because it's woods at night it doesn't mean it's filled with rapists and murderers. Rape doesn't happen in dark alley ways and scary forests, for fuck's sake. It can happen anywhere. I cannot believe the first lot of people didn't seem to suffice that your perceptions are wrong but that it took a case of tragic intensity to do so. *eye roll*
We shouldn't live in fear just because of rape/murder... that's being a victim also of fear itself and it's unhealthy. Victims are people living their lives as it is, why should they turn their life upside down because they should have known~? Spare me this bullshit.
...Pardon my French, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST is this one hell of a fucked up thread.
I'm not sure how it came about and I don't want to know, but Julie... you're wrong in so many ways it astonishes me. Also, you contradict yourself. All. The. Time. Case in point:
Post 316
I am sure he learnt not to allow that to happen to himself again... never will he let himself be a victim like that again.
And in your very next post:
I also never said that one lets themself be a victim.
Maybe someone has said this already, but rape is a crime of opportunity and is often perpetrated by someone the victim knows. (I think Lina was getting at this when she mentioned that often the molester is someone a child sees as an authority figure.) There are so many factors involved that it is quite frankly impossible to prepare/protect against all of them - drugs, threats, violence, physical or mental incapability, and shock all may render a victim unable to defend themselves or cry out.
You may see your attitude as worldly and reasonable, since you no doubt think that you're dealing with the threat as best you can, but the fact is that holding such an attitude is inherently harmful to you. If, despite all that, you were victimized anyhow, imagine how much worse it would be. Do you want to be wracking your brain for years afterwards searching for that one weakness that made you a target, blaming yourself for being, as you say, 'stupid' enough to get raped? No. What society needs to teach is that the blame lies solely with the perpetrator, and then it needs to persecute them accordingly.
(By the way, get this through your head: saying a victim could have avoided being a victim is without a doubt blaming them for being, as it were, an accessory to a crime perpetrated against them. Which is pretty fucked up.)
The only absolute way to eliminate attacks of any kind is to eliminate the crime and to get people to stop committing the crime itself. Believing that there are steps to take to protect yourself from violent crime or victimization of any kind (like dressing modestly, not walking alone at night, not trusting a girlfriend, etc.), is simply a way to make oneself (aka the blamer) feel safe. But it is a false sense of security. I have included links and copied excerpts out from the articles which are linked, I hope they are helpful. This concept and phenomenon have been explored and studied by social scientists for decades. I first learned about these concepts during training for my work at a domestic violence shelter and rape advocate group. What is victim blame? "Victim blaming is holding the victim responsible for what has happened to her/him. One way in which victim blaming is perpetuated is through rape myths. Rape myths allow us to blame the victim and are often common false beliefs."
Just World Hypothesis
It has been proposed that one cause of victim-blaming is the "just-world phenomenon". People who believe that the world has to be fair may find it hard or impossible to accept a situation in which a person is unfairly and badly hurt. This leads to a sense that, somehow, the victim must have surely done 'something' to deserve their fate. Another theory entails the need to protect one's own sense of invulnerability. This inspires people to believe that rape only happens to those who deserve or provoke the assault (Schneider et al., 1994). This is a way of feeling safer. If the potential victim avoids the behaviors of the past victims then they themselves will remain safe and feel less vulnerable.
Why Do People Blame Victims?
There are a number of reasons why people choose to blame victims for the crimes that have happened to them. These reasons stem from misconceptions about victims, perpetrators, and the nature of violent acts. Victims are sometimes wrongfully portrayed as passive individuals who seek out and submit to the violence they endure. Offenders are seen as hapless individuals who are compelled to act violently by forces they cannot control. The most popular reasons for blaming victims include belief in a just world, attribution error, and invulnerability theory:
Just World Hypothesis:
The just world hypothesis is based on an individual’s belief that the world is a safe, just place where people get what they deserve. These individuals believe that the social system that affects them is fair, legitimate, and justifiable.3 Such strong
beliefs in individuals can be challenged when they encounter victims of random misfortune, such as violent crimes. The perception of these individuals is that good things happen to good people, and bad things to bad people.4 Therefore, when people with these beliefs view victims they believe that their victimization was caused through some fault of their own.5 In this way, one who believes in a just world maintains their belief because there is not an innocent, suffering victim, but someone who “deserves” their misfortune.6 Blaming the victim maintains beliefs of personal responsibility and controllability over social outcomes.7 Moreover, this hypothesis presents the world as a safe and protected place, even when in the face of hardship.8
Proponents of the just world hypothesis judge the harshness of events as a function of harm caused. Thus, if a victim is not harmed in a severe manner, then what happened to them can be seen as an accident. However, as the severity of harm increases, believers begin to think that ‘this could happen to me.’ Therefore, a way for these individuals to cope and restore their faith in the world is to blame victims for their misfortunes.9
Attribution Error:
According to Kelly and Heider, there are two categories of attribution: internal and external. Individuals make internal attributions when they recognize that a person’s personal characteristics are the cause of their actions or situation. External attributions, however, have individuals identify the environment and circumstances as the cause for a person’s behaviour.10
Attribution error occurs when individuals overemphasize personal characteristics and devalue environmental characteristics when judging others, resulting in victim blaming. People who make this error view the individual victim as partially responsible for what happened to them and ignore situational causes. So-called “internal failings” take precedent over situational contributors in judgement of the subject. On the contrary, these people may have the propensity to attribute their own failures to environmental attributes, and their own successes to personal attributes.11
Invulnerability Theory:
Literature on Invulnerability Theory claims that those who subscribe to the theory blame victims as a means to protect their own feelings of invulnerability.12 The Invulnerability Theory is based on subscribers blaming the victim in order to feel safe themselves. Even friends and family members of crime victims may blame the victim in order to reassure themselves.
A common statement would be:
“She was raped because she walked home alone in the dark. I would never do that, so I won’t be raped.13”
The theory states that victims are a reminder of our own vulnerability. Individuals do not want to consider the possibility of losing control over their life or body; by deciding that a victim brought on the attack themselves, they create a false sense of security. This reassures people that as long as they do not act as the victim did at the time of their attack, they will be invulnerable.14
Julie, you're an idiot. First of all, Adrian had NOT just met Rose. Secondly, Adrian KNEW he came second to Dimitri. HE KNEW THAT, you brainless drone. When you love someone, you love them. You can't just turn off your love. What the hell was he supposed to do? Tie her up and never let her leave his sight? And honeslty, do you expect people to take you seriously when you go on about how a rape victim is to blame? Here's an idea: BLAME THE RAPIST. The innocent person in a situation does NOT deserve ridicule.
(By the way, get this through your head: saying a victim could have avoided being a victim is without a doubt blaming them for being, as it were, an accessory to a crime perpetrated against them. Which is pretty fucked up.) Well said.
Julie, Julie, Julie.First of all, I find it interesting that you seem to have completely ignored Regina's post - go back and read it, please, as it contains some very well-written explanations of your rationale/coping methods.
Second, while much of what you just said has validity, that doesn't counteract what you've said previously - implying that people 'let' themselves become victims, or that they can learn from being victimized to protect themselves next time, for instance.
Third, your analogy (crossing the street) is fundamentally flawed. If you fail to look both ways before crossing a street, you are making a choice which puts you in direct danger and in fact endangers others. At that point the blame is yours, because it was your decision which put you in harm's way. Rape, on the other hand, is about the absence of choice. It is defined on an essential level as one person taking choice away from another. A more accurate analogy using the same scenario might be this: someone chooses to walk straight out into the street without checking for cars and causes an accident. The person who made the choice is analagous to the rapist, in a loose sense; the victims are the drivers and passengers who were injured in the accident.
Fourth... no, there is nothing wrong with trying to prevent being a victim. The place where something is wrong is when you start saying that those who did not take preventive measures were 'stupid' (Message 303, paragraph 2: "ALL I have been saying is that there are STUPID victims.") and that all situations are avoidable with the right precautions, because that is blatantly untrue. It's not possible to prepare for everything - as I mentioned above, there are often drugs/alcohol, shock, power imbalance, violence/threats involved. You probably know this, but it's worth reiterating: the 'dark alley' sort of rape which permeates our collective imaginations is not the most common form of rape, nor even close. Most attacks are perpetrated by someone the victim knows, often by someone they trust and in situations of vulnerability.
Fifth: You do not, actually, have the right to be respected. You had that right, as everyone does - everyone is accorded a certain amount of respect on the base assumption that they are worthy of it. When you start to voice opinions, particularly as stridently as you voice yours, respect becomes a privilege. It must be earned and deserved. You have done neither.
First, @Krista. If you wanna make me a Victim of verbal abuse in your first five word, what you have to say after that has no value to me. I will no longer respond to ANYONE who can't "talk" to me properly. I am entitled to respect. You are entitled to nothing. As Anila said, you must earn and deserve respect. You did neither. Krista owes you nothing, nor does anyone else.
To everyone else:
1-BLAMING A VICTIM IS WRONG.
2-BEING PREPARED AGAINST PERPS IS OK.
3-VERBALY ABUSING SOMEONE MAKES YOU A SCUMBAG!
And yet calling victims of rape who wear revealing clothing and walk outside at night stupid does not make you a scumbag? You keep saying blaming victims is wrong, and yet you fail to see calling them stupid is indeed placing blame on them. You keep using the word "choice". In case you didn't notice, being assaulted in any way is NOT a choice, and there is no "well, he/she was STUPID for doing it THAT way, and maybe if they hadn't this wouldn't have happened to them..."
I will not respond to anyone who thinks they can make me a victim.
Julie, to be honest, you keep victimizing yourself. Nobody has made you a victim -- you keep saying this as to draw sympathy or make yourself feel better about what you said. It isn't going to work.
I have the right to be respected. Anyone who thinks the best way to get there point across to someone is to call them names or insult them in any way is childish and should be taught to respect.
You have such a high sense of entitlement, don't you? Nobody owes you anything. You just made an idiot out of yourself TWICE, insulting everyone on this thread and yet you still feel as if you're owed ANYTHING? That seems pretty childish to me. Why don't you stop whining? There are people out there who have actually been victimized online, and you saying that you're being "victimized" gives those people a bad name.
It's my opinion that you're the one who needs to be taught respect. And quite a few other things too.
Don't forget that Adrian did just lose his aunt and is stressed so therefore can be distracted to notice anything. Plus, if Rose is caught she is probably dead so what choice did he have? It's aweful how Rose used Adrian and he didn't deserve it but she has been doing the whole time since and before they started dating, wheather Rose meant to or not. Adrian has been blind this whole time because he loves Rose so deeply, he doesn't see anything else. It's not really his fault.
I felt sorry for Adrian and I think Rose was very selfish at times. People keep saying that she saves lives but last I checked, she also got alot of people killed.Eddie could have killed Dimitry in Vegas but she stopped him and he slaughter about a dozen people straight after. Bloodlines was about the people that didn't come out of VA with a happy ending and she is partly to blame for that. True it's not all her fault but still.
I'm glad to see that Sydney and Adrian are helping each other out. I think Adrian will definately become the main hero of the Bloodlines series.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "@Stormy
Shit does happen. People do make mistakes. And I do feel like Adrian can learn something from this. =)"
Truuueeee as! i mean it would be expected, they both still had feelings and BAM! But atleast Rose felt bad/guilty about it
Shit does happen. People do make mistakes. And I do feel like Adrian can learn something from this. =)"
Truuueeee as! i mean it would be expected, they both still had feelings and BAM! But atleast Rose felt bad/guilty about it
I feel sorry for Adrian, yeah it was kinda thick to send Rose away with Dimitri, but he didn't deserve to have his heart broken and especially after reading 'Bloodlines' you can really see how much he was hurt!
But still... DIMITRI FOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Sad Adrian being an adult was stupid enough to be lead on by Rose. He deserves someone who loves him completely. I hope Sydney suddenly turns into that 'special' girl who makes Adrian fall head over heel in love with her.Dimka and Rose forever.
Just remembered the line that Rose says in LS:"I did, however, know that I had to cut Adrian loose."
Ouch.
Amber (loves Dimka and Edward and Shane! + more) wrote: "Adrian is such and idiot! Who sends thier girlfriend away with the guy she still loves completely!!! ADRIAN IS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAIVE AND BLIND!!!!(I do feel slightly bad for him though)
DIMKA FOREVER!!!!!"
I agree very much. he set himself up for that one! i love Dimka :)
Anybody read this? Bloodlines Original First Chapter Richelle Mead decided not to use it in the actual book but it's really good. You get a look from Adrian's POV.
P.S. Im gonna have to disagree with all the abuse crap that was stated above. Us guys sometimes do stupid things. Most of the time they are love/infatuation enduced which is like Nerve Gas to us.I'm a man and I can freedly admit that men are dumb!
However, falling for a girl, giving her everything you've got and hope she returns those feelings isn't dumb. It's not smart, but it's not dumb.
As Browning said: "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?”
In other words, no matter how messed up u are, never stop trying.
That sums up Adrian completely for me.
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I was 7 when I was touched by my brother's wife's son but I guess that is my fault because I could have avoided it, right? Please tell me how! HOW! I didn't know shit about sex at that age. You know, my mom called the cops on him when she came home from work that night and not too long ago my mom saw him at work and he had the nerve to come up to her and say hi? I guess he has the same thought process that you do.
My boyfriend, my little sister, and I were all riding in my mothers old Nissan truck. We stop at a store and a group of young males parade to my boyfriend's window and shove two guns in his face asking for money. My boyfriend drops his only money on the floorboard. (20$) They snatch his silver chain from his neck and my cellphone from his hand and leave. No witnesses. My boyfriend would have probably tried to kick their asses if we weren't in the car but we were and he was worried about them messing with us. They didn't really hurt him but just the site of those guns pointed at your temple or someone you love will freak you the fuck out. We called the cops when we got home. My mother was hysterical. The cops treated us like we were the criminals for 2 hours. LIKE SHIT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN TO INNOCENT PEOPLE! They must have the same thought process as you do. I hate cops. They haven't HELPED me or my family at all.
I have been cheated on. I have been lied to. I have had so much shit done to me. I can't take away peoples free will, they are going to do whatever they want whether its to me or someone else, its going to happen. It doesn't matter the time or place.
Innocents get shot in drive-by. I guess they shouldn't have been there at the time, at that place. People get held up in banks. I guess they shouldn't have been there either. WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DO? HIDE AWAY ALL THEIR LIVES EXCEPT WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR KARATE CLASSES JUST SO THEY CAN BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE NEXT PERSON THAT WANTS TO MAKE THEM THEIR VICTIM? GET REAL.