Last Sacrifice
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Really?! How stupid is he!!!???
I'm with Amy on this one.That's cute.
If you despise Rose soooo much, don't read it.
Kind of late for that, don't you think? If you hate my comments soooo much, don't read them. I mean, following your logic, I should be a mind reader. How am I supposed to know whether or not I'll like a book before I read it? Logic fail.
She is the main character btw, so yeah.
One that I happen to despise. What's your point?
Ever heard of Freedom of speech? people can have their own opinions and if you don't like it then who cares, just ignore it and move on.
Look. I'm finding your argument rather amusing. If people can have opinions and I should ignore them and move on, why can't I have my opinion and why shouldn't you ignore it and move on? You're being a hypocrite like your favorite Russian loser.
Plain And Simple.
Follow your own advice if you feel the need to be the mod of this board.
But obviously not simple enough if you can't do that. I find this "discussion turned argument" to be completely ridiculous and most of you are just acting like children.
Really? Resorting to calling us children. Hmm... sounds liek someone is a bit butthurt. Why don't you refute my argument instead of whining about me being so mean? Is it that hard? Or are you having an internet fail?
Mind others peoples opinions.
I will, when other opinions aren't dead set wrong. Remember the difference between opinion and fact? Once again, are you the mod? Can you ban me? Do you own this server? I didn't think so.
This is a DISCUSSION, not a DEBATE, so don't bash others opinions.
Really? This board started out as a "Lets Bash Adrian" board and quickly decended into pit of victim blaming. Seems like it was meant to be a debate forum. How can you discuss a topic like this without it decending into a debate? You really want us to get around the campfire and pray to the dick of Dmika like Rose while we bash Adrian for trusting his girlfriend?
And I love how you are getting so upset about a book meant for Young Adults. It's meant for the less matured minds.
And this is where I cuss you out. You are a fucking moron if you really think that YA means lesser. I am a YA writer. I know many YA writers. You are insulting an entire group of them with this stupid comment. You obviously don't read much YA outside of bullshit like VA and Bloodlines.
I believe you guys are over thinking the whole thing way too much.
I believe that you aren't thinking hard enough. I overthink because I like to stimulate my brain cells. It leads to intelligent discussion and the progression of my knowledge. Mindless praise doesn't cut it for me.
I'm 16 and I never would have thought about some of your opinions.
Whoopdifucking doo. I'm seventeen and my thoughts weren't as half as dumb as yours are when I was sixteen. Grow out of your bubble and learn how to sympathize. Sympathy and empathy allows you to see outside of your own little constricted sets of morals and lets you see past the "true love" constrict of our wonderful narrator. I'm betting that you read American Psycho and truly thought that Patrick Bateman was the hero. *sigh*
Writers aren't always right. Their narrators aren't always right. If Richelle Mead made Rose say that 2+2=5, would you believe it?
Umm, and I could do without some of the negative language please.
Negative language is something that you'll have to deal with on the internet. I will curse as much as I like, and, well, you'll have no choice but to read it if you want to read my comments. Using your logic, as soon as you see my screen-name, you can scroll past my comment.
P.S. Can't We All Just Get Along???????
We could, but, unfortunately, you're requiring me to bring my standard of ethics down to your level, and I'm not able to do that. Now, if you said that you liked Dmika and Roza, regardless of their bullshit, I wouldn't care. But you're rubbing their flaws out on other characters, which, does not a valid argument make.
I think you'd do good reading this: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
Come back and try to form a valid argument. Until then, you've broken almost every single rule of how to disagree properly.
If you can refute the points I've made about Rose and her "epic true love" with Dimitri without trying to victim blame, I will applaud you. Right now, you've done nothing but fail the internet with your constant avoidance of the real reason why I'm here. And you've insulted me with your ignorance. Try again.
Jasmine wrote: "I'm with Amy on this one. If you despise Rose soooo much, don't read it. She is the main character btw, so yeah. Ever heard of Freedom of speech? people can have their own opinions and if you don't..."
Are you serious? Rose isn't the only reason people read/enjoy the books, and you making assumptions as to why they should/would read them is just ridiculous. It's also pretty hypocritical to say "you can have freedom of speech, but don't say your opinion!" It's a public website, so people can post their opinion if they want to. So it can only be a discussion if you think the same way? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
And it's called critical thinking, which is why people actually analyze and think about what they read. Don't like the cursing, get off the internet.
Are you serious? Rose isn't the only reason people read/enjoy the books, and you making assumptions as to why they should/would read them is just ridiculous. It's also pretty hypocritical to say "you can have freedom of speech, but don't say your opinion!" It's a public website, so people can post their opinion if they want to. So it can only be a discussion if you think the same way? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
And it's called critical thinking, which is why people actually analyze and think about what they read. Don't like the cursing, get off the internet.
Hahaha:) I see where you guys could misinterpret me. I was referring to the part where Rose was, according to you guys, "seducing him" for the money. I was saying that Adrian's clearly not helpless to her wiles. He's older and wiser. He wasn't going to drop to his knees just because some 17 year old gave him a smile and a suggestive rub.Then why is she mature enough to be in a relationship with a twenty-four-year-old man who behaves like a thirty-five-year-old? Adrian acts her age. He has no life experience. Neither does Rose. Dimitri does.
Hey guys, calm down.
I don't like when people say that I should calm down. It's inferring that, because I'm too "aggressive" or "offensive" I've offended them and they aren't willing or able to take what I have to say.
Everyone has their opinions, I'm just trying to say that maybe Rose and Dimitri's actions really aren't as bad as what you guys think.
One question: Is cheating right if you have a "soulmate"?
If your answer is yes, I want nothing to do with you. I despise people who make excuses regarding character behavior because one character has a true love. Their actions are bad whether or not you agree. Cheating is bad in all cultures. It has never been a good thing. And Rose had horrible reasons to cheat. Dimitri swore that he wouldn't. But they did. It wasn't even a spur of the moment, I feel guilty thing.
Leah, I get where you're coming from, but maybe you're taking things a bit too heatedly?
No, you're getting defensive. You want us to back off because you don't want to admit that Rose and Dimitri are 100% in the wrong.
Look, realistically, Young-Adult (yes, I was referring to Young-Adult, no need to bold.) has a lot of romance. Alot. There's Hunger Games, Maximum Ride, Gallagher Girls, Mortal Instruments, Prophecy of the Sisters, etc. (I tried picking out different plots.) All of these books have the protaganist falling for a male character. I'm not trying to impose my will on you or anything, but the way you sound so bitter about Dimitri and Rose's love (or lust, as you call it) makes me wonder whether you doubt teens could truly fall in love. And truthfully, young-adult doesn't have much of plot. There are brilliant ones, but most of them are rip-offs of others. If you want plots, maybe adult Urban Fantasy and Epic Fantasy?
Obviously, you don't read much YA. YA /=/ Romance. Look at my reply to Jasmine and you'll see how much you've pissed me off. I'm not the YA genre expert, but I know much more on the subject than you seem to express in this section of your comment which is filled with ignorance on the genre. FYI, YA isn't really a genre. It's a marketing term.
I Understand where you're coming from with the whole "Strigoi Dimitri was really Evil" thing.
Good.
I felt it too. It disgusted me and I hated it, but what I'm saying is that there was still a part of me that believed in him. He was the one that wanted to stay away from Rose. He didn't actually have sex with her. He gave her gifts, and I know this just sounds sexist but he was Strigoi-he was twisted and evil and maybe that's his way of showing that he cares. Not good or bad care, just "I give a damn about you".
Unlike Leah, I agree. But I don't think him and Rose are meant to be. She's a stupid 17 year old girl. And he's a loser who can't handle a relationship with someone his age. He needs someone to treat like a child to fuel his inferiority complex.
Rose is just 17, ok? What did you expect her to do?
I'm seventeen. Don't insult teenagers.
That's what I'm saying, she wanted to get over Dimitri. As I said, If she became a weak Bella Swan when Dimitri was gone, people would hate her.
Not true. I would have been glad to see her move on. Moping endlessly in a pit of despair, and actively trying to get over your non-existent relationship are two different things.
If she tried to get over him by seeing Adrian as someone she could potentially love, people would still hate her.
Wrong. It's healthy to try and move on. It's not healthy to remain fixed on one person for the rest of your life at such a young age. Psychology is behind me on this. Before Edward came back, Bella was on the path to becoming a better person. Then, enter the sparkledouche.
I personally would have done the same thing. Maybe I'm 'young' in your opinion or whatever, but I wouldn't have just thrown myself off a cliff.
I'm glad that you wouldn't have thrown yourself off a cliff. Neither would I. I'm young too. Don't assume anything about my age/gender/race because you and I know nothing about each other outside of what pertains to this book. I'm a young adult too and I happen to have higher standards for my choice genre.
I would have thought, Hey, Adrian likes me. I kinda like him. Why not? Why not give it a try? The love of my life is gone and I'm not waiting around for nothing.
I'm glad. But, seeing as how I never considered Dimitri a viable love interest (or even interesting) I'll have to stretch my imagination.
Rose and Adrian both knew what they were getting into.
Yup. Just, for a second, imagine that Adrian loves Rose as much as Rose "loves" Dimitri. Why is her love move valid than his? Why?
Rose isn't perfect, and she never wanted to hurt Adrian.
I'll agree. She's just really stupid.
She didn't lead him on, she genuinely thought she was committing herself to the relationship. Dimitri was 'dead' when she made that choice. She was never planning on dumping Adrian for Dimitri, because she thought Dimitri wasn't even ALIVE any more.
Yup. Then, when Dmika came back, what happened? I'm not faulting her for getting involved with Adrian or still loving Dimitri. That's natural. She's wrong for cheating on Adrian and using him for his money/connections. No matter how you look at it, that's wrong.
Ps, I think I'm right about the auras though. Sonya said that Rose and Dimitri's auras lit around each other, and she could see Rose's aura when she was talking with Adrian. Adrian could see the intensity of her aura by comparing it with when she was with him and when she was with Dimitri.
I've studied astrology, chakras, and auras. You're wrong. Auras only glow like that in connection to someone else after sex. Auras shine for many different reasons and they don't just point to epic true love. They don't work like that. Most of Rose's feelings were driven by lust and awe. Whether or not she confused them for love is up to interpretation. But they did not have a healthy relationship. Therefor, whatever color her aura was, it wouldn't have told Adrian that she was in love. I don't even know how his powers work. Seeing auras requires concentration on the brow chakra. Then it requires careful interpretation. This is author bullshit pulled out of thin air to make you feel the love between Dmika and Roza.
PPS, Okay, I used 'sass' to put it lightly. I'm sorry, I'll use words more carefully, alright? It was meant to be a joke. Sigh.
You should. Careful word choice helps you become a better writer.
Oh wow, a lot of different opinions here which is a good thing of course. Shame about feelings being hurt and what not. In my opinion at first I admired rose for her strength, courage and loyalty, but when it came to Dimitri I never really cared much for him from the beginning although I'm not really sure why. Adrian was always the one that caught my eye and the one that I tended to look out for. However as the series progressed I became more aware of the things Rose did. I think the first time she really got to me was the Mason situation. Up until then I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the way that she then broke Adrian' heart, the way she was so inconsiderate in how she hurt her friends really got to me. I couldn't get past how she could have done something so horrible without an inch of remorse. I think I was angry at Rose and Dimitri for a while after that. Still not all that sure about them, although a part of me will always be a little fond of her.
Adrian was always the guy I clicked with though so he was the one I was really concerned about. Early on I felt like his sarcasm, is whole attitude was this defence mechanism. That he acted the way he did because he knew no one expected better of him. This is touched upon in Bloodlines. I just finished Bloodlines actually and you guys might not be too happy about who his potential love interest might be in the next book.
I've read some of the comments and although I can respect what you're both saying, personally, for me, I think Rose is pretty much at fault. Somewhere along the line she just seemed to loose the part of herself that I had originally grew to like. The part of her that made her stand out for me. It's a shame that the series ended with her not only being selfish but a cheat. To me that's just unforgivable and not the greatest way to leave the MC hanging. You can't really blame people for not being her biggest fan, we weren't exactly left with much in the end to like about her.
@ Amy, Leah, I very clearly did NOT answer or respond to any of your posts and not Cory's either for the reason that I didn't want to be slammed for my opinion.It's called disagreement which usually leads on to debate as a cause of DIFFERING ARGUMENTS You're on the INTERNET. If you are EASILY offended then please tap Alt+F4 on your keyboard. There, I made it easy for you. The internet is not a place for naive fools.
And really, that is all the two of you have done, slammed everyone because they don't agree with your opinions. The books are fiction and read for the fun of it.
There's a difference in having an opinion and supporting something known as victim blaming. This thread originally started out as a "let's victim blame another character"— using the excuse that he should have known that he was going to get cheated on— a vile and digusting excuse for what happened to him. Cheating and victim blaming condoning isn't known as an opinion last time I checked.
Why are you both so angry?
There, there— would you like me to play a sad violin tune to accompany your whining and dining?
And as far as living in a different world, Cory, yes and I'm glad you and I don't live in the same world because where you are seems to be a very dark and angry place.
Wow, so Cory has issues because she has a different opinion? AHAHAHAHAHAA, I think my idiocy-o-metere has been broke. Cory seems to be pretty happy in her world where fangirl logic isn't valid and victim-blaming doesn't exist. But, you on the other hand are a different case— clearly me arguing seems to have raised your blood pressure because I have an opinion which differs to yours
I'm curious why the two of you read six books about a girl you both hate so much. I think I'd have jumped ship after the first one or two if I found Rose to be such a reprehensible character.
Rose actually started out as a fun heroine until her hero-worship obsession over Dimitri took over and she lost that spark of hers. As I continued to read on, I found other things that I liked such as the secondary characters and their arcs. People don't read the damn books just because of the main character.
And with that, I'm leaving the discussion because it isn't any longer a discussion, but two people yelling at everyone who dares to disagree.
LMFAO, when was I yelling? Please do leave. I'm not apologizing to see your sorry ass go, you were irrelevant.
@ Jasmine. If you despise Rose soooo much, don't read it. She is the main character btw, so yeah.
If you despise our opinions and this thread sooooooo much then don't read it. Since where was there a law that I had to like the main character? If my opinion bothers you so much, then take it up with the Parliament. I'm sure they will take action straight away instead of less important issues such as war in Afghanistan and a global recession. *sarcasm*
Ever heard of Freedom of speech? people can have their own opinions and if you don't like it then who cares, just ignore it and move on. Plain And Simple.
I don't think it's plain and simple seeing as you can't even follow your advice. If I don't like your opinion and should ignore it, then why can't the same apply to me? Hmm?
I find this "discussion turned argument" to be completely ridiculous and most of you are just acting like children. Mind others peoples opinions. This is a DISCUSSION, not a DEBATE, so don't bash others opinions.
I agree with Cory, this thread started out as a victim-blaming thread— it's a controversial topic to begin with. You'd be fucking stupid to think everything will be all sunshine and rainbows with unicorns prancing around and agreeing with eachother. It's the real world.
And I love how you are getting so upset about a book meant for Young Adults. It's meant for the less matured minds. I believe you guys are over thinking the whole thing way too much. I'm 16 and I never would have thought about some of your opinions.
Here comes the ageist argument— not teenagers aren't fucking dimwitted imbeciles that lap up everything they read. Oh and here's a nuclear bombshell of a surprise for you:— I am 16 and I am thinking these opinions. You're ignorant as fuck as you are calling yourself and the entire age group for YA idiots that aren't able to see the broader picture. Just because I read the book doesn't mean that I should take up the character centred morality that the MC upholds— even when I am reading the books, I still speak out against the characters when they do something wrong and don't take their excuse "for the sake of true love" as to being valid.
Umm, and I could do without some of the negative language please.
It's the internet. I'm not talking to the fucking Queen. Get over it.
P.S. Can't We All Just Get Along???????
We can't obviously because there seems to be certain users that are butthurt by opinions and cowards who make passive aggressive comments after their failed attempts to change my opinion.
As Cory said, I'll give you props for giving valid excuses for Rose's wrongdoings but the arguments I've heard so far are basic and tired and not good enough to make up for the horrible deeds committed.
He did it for Rose's sake. He wasn't dumb, he was in love. And for that, he sacrificed sending her away with the man she loved.
And how can you say Rose didn't feel bad for cheating on him?
Throughout all the book, although she loved Dimitri, she didn't so anything with him.
At last, she made a mistake dictated by the fact that they loved each other.
I agree, she shouldn't have done it, and Adrian is my favorite character, BUT sadly he knew Rose loved Dimitri more than him.
He was right at being mad at her for what she did, but he couldn't help the inevitable.
I'm sad for how things ended up between them, though the series would've lost something if Richelle Mead made it all a bed of roses and Rose and Adrian out of the blue were buddy-buddy with each other and forgot what had happened.
Adrian loved her, Rose loved Dimitri more. That's the fact.
@ Ain020596,I see where you guys could misinterpret me. I was referring to the part where Rose was, according to you guys, "seducing him" for the money. I was saying that Adrian's clearly not helpless to her wiles. He's older and wiser. He wasn't going to drop to his knees just because some 17 year old gave him a smile and a suggestive rub.
Pretty much what Cory said. Also the "seducing" is also known as "emotional blackmail". It's one thing to fall for another person's wiles and another to be taken advantage of and be given false promises.
I'm perfectly calm, thanks. Just because I have said something which obviously touched someone's anger doesn't mean that I am in the wrong. I have not been aggressive so why tell me to calm down?
Everyone has their opinions, I'm just trying to say that maybe Rose and Dimitri's actions really aren't as bad as what you guys think.
So cheating/lying/deceiving people it's not as bad as I think? Murder isn't as bad as I think? Isn't this the kind of logic that caused Casey Anthony to be deemed as NOT guilty?
If you're excuse is that I should let them off because they did it for love then I have lost all respect for you. Love isn't a valid excuse for all the fucking shit things that Rose did, love is an emotion not an idiocy stimulating drug. Cheating is bad, full stop. Especially when precious Dimka said that he would never steal another man's woman but his libido and the power of his dick took over. What's even worse is that Rose felt guilty for about a millisecond then condescended to victim blaming Adrian. And Dimitri didn't even feel bad about going back on his word and condoned Rose's actions because he got laid.
Leah, I get where you're coming from, but maybe you're taking things a bit too heatedly?
No, I'm not. Look who is getting super defensive because I still happen to disagree— why don't you look at the other people who have resorted to making passive-aggressive comments and throwing shade around like cowards. Don't aim your gun at me because I merely disagree. I'm not going to retreat and take back everything I said because you can't accept a character's wrong doings.
Just because romance is a common theme amongst YA, it doesn't mean that it's about teenagers falling in love. Judging by what you've read, you have only read a small spectrum of YA books— all of which happens to have romance in them. Those kind of books have lust disguised as love and I don't buy it because it's not realistic, obsessive or unhealthy. I'm not "bitter" because I dislike their romance and think it's shallow hero-worship heightened to seem as if they are soulmates.
He gave her gifts, and I know this just sounds sexist but he was Strigoi-he was twisted and evil and maybe that's his way of showing that he cares. Not good or bad care, just "I give a damn about you".
I agree that he saw her as a familiarity in his old life but it doesn't mean that he "loved" her as a Strigoi. And it doesn't mean that they were meant to be together— if I recall correctly, he also seemed to have gotten back with his old mentor who had turned into a Strigoi— Rose said that him and her "understood" eachother but I saw none of that, it was a case of telling but not showing and I don't take that into account. I think Rose is an idiot for making him a first priority being the naive twat that she is, and Dimitri strikes as the type of guy who likes to have control, especially over people. They both only liked eachother because of the one common mutual interest of guardianship and because they valued eachother's physical asset. Dimitri should have gone for Tasha instead.
Rose is just 17, ok? What did you expect her to do? That's what I'm saying, she wanted to get over Dimitri. As I said, If she became a weak Bella Swan when Dimitri was gone, people would hate her. If she tried to get over him by seeing Adrian as someone she could potentially love, people would still hate her. I personally would have done the same thing. Maybe I'm 'young' in your opinion or whatever, but I wouldn't have just thrown myself off a cliff.
First of all, her age shouldn't be an excuse for her stupid actions— unless her IQ is the same as her age. Age doesn't dictate someone's life experience or their intelligence. The only people that would hate her would be the bitter Rose/Dimitri fans otherwise I would have applauded Rose for trying to forget about him and moving on with a guy that did understand her. She didn't even have to move on with a guy. She could have moved on by herself without needing another person to lean against. I was quite happy with her at the end of Blood Promise until she realised Dimitri was not dead and started to obsess over bringing him back and using everyone in sight as a pawn. She only wanted to bring him back to re-kindle their romance. By then, she didn't care about Adrian as a love interest but rather a pawn in her game to bring Dimitri back.
When Dimitri came back, her previous feelings became amplified— it was obvious that her feelings were still there yet somehow she's so stupid that she denies all of it. If your feelings are telling you otherwise, then at least have the decency to tell the guy it's not right at the given moment instead of using him for his money, stringing him along and then to top it all off cheat with him because she "broke up with him in her mind". When did I imply that she should jump off of a cliff? I didn't. If her feelings were telling her otherwise ever since Dimitri came back then that should be a wake up call that it's not the right time to get involved but rather wait until she is ready or at least when her situation is resolved. It's not fair on Adrian to love someone who loves someone else and is just with him for his perks, not his love. Adrian did state that he would have gladly wait, so Rose should have done exactly that as it would have been a lot fairer on both of them. It's natural that she would obviously have feelings for Dimitri but it doesn't give it an excuse to cloud her vision and to do stupid things. Like cheating and using people for their assets.
Sonya said that Rose and Dimitri's auras lit around each other, and she could see Rose's aura when she was talking with Adrian. Adrian could see the intensity of her aura by comparing it with when she was with him and when she was with Dimitri.
That's not how auras work because both people saw their auras after sex and I'm pretty sure that was just the aftermath of emotions after sex— most likely to be the high and lust. Auras show emotions in terms of the individual, however, it doesn't show the connections between people like some sort of matchmaking radar. It's another stupid "telling but not showing" plot device that Mead used to make their love seem "epic" when really, it's her lack of research. A spirit user can see 2 people in the same room have bright auras, it doesn't mean that they are soulmates. It could be like that for many other reasons without being related to both of them as a unit.
Elena wrote: "He did it for Rose's sake. He wasn't dumb, he was in love. And for that, he sacrificed sending her away with the man she loved.
And how can you say Rose didn't feel bad for cheating on him?
Throu..."
Pretty much! Well said. =)
He did it for Rose's sake.I'll agree with that.
He wasn't dumb, he was in love. And for that, he sacrificed sending her away with the man she loved.
Yup, because he trusted her to focus on bigger things, like the Queen's murder, finding the heir, killing Victor... etc. Honestly, their romance is the least important thing in this series, but, in the end, it's made out to be more important than everything else. Rose is a trained Guardian, just like Dimitri. Yet, their duties always come last.
And how can you say Rose didn't feel bad for cheating on him?
Because she blamed him in the last chapter of Last Sacrifice. Because she's shown to be pretty much devoid of emotion when it comes to people besides herself and Dimitri. Look, I liked Rose in book one, despite her impulsive idiocy. I still liked her, up until book #4, when her entire life started to revolve around a guy she barely knew.
Throughout all the book, although she loved Dimitri, she didn't so anything with him.
It doesn't matter. If I wait six months to steal an object, I still stole an object. If she knew her feelings were that strong, she should have left Adrian instead of crying into his arms. Her problem is that she feels like she needs a man. She's always thought this. Even when she was pining after Dimitri, she was making out with Mason. Even when she just got back from the runaway with Lissa, she needed to make out with Jesse Zeklos.
At last, she made a mistake dictated by the fact that they loved each other.
It really doesn't matter. And here, Dimitri and Rose are both at fault. No matter how much they loved each other, they still made a "mistake". Love doesn't excuse it. And love doesn't excuse the fact that she tried to blame Adrian for her mistake.
I agree, she shouldn't have done it, and Adrian is my favorite character, BUT sadly he knew Rose loved Dimitri more than him.
Once again, this doesn't matter. How is Rose's "mistake" his fault. He has nothing to do with it. Rose fucking another guy has nothing to do with Adrian. This isn't American Beauty.
He was right at being mad at her for what she did, but he couldn't help the inevitable.I'm sad for how things ended up between them, though the series would've lost something if Richelle Mead made it all a bed of roses and Rose and Adrian out of the blue were buddy-buddy with each other and forgot what had happened.
Yup. Unfortunately, it would've been really easy if she'd just had Rose dump him BEFORE she jumped into bed with Dimitri. How easy would that have been? Super easy. She could've tapped into her dream/spirit connection, called up Adrian, said two words -- we're through -- and fucked Dimitri to her heart's delight. But she didn't and she tried to blame him for her mistake.
Adrian loved her, Rose loved Dimitri more. That's the fact.
I doubt that Rose loves Dimitri more than Adrian loves her. That's called obsession, which is unhealthy. Now, Rose loves Dimitri more than she loves Adrian. That's the fact. And, unfortunately, she didn't respect Adrian enough to call it off with him. That's all there is. When you are cheated on, it's not your fault in this kind of situation. And the cheaters surely shouldn't have the nerve to try and justify themselves.
All I can say is that I'm glad Dimitri didn't jump on the victim blaming train. Then again, he was probably too busy sniffing Rose's hair.
This is a DISCUSSION, not a DEBATE, so don't bash others opinions.
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Jasmine wrote: ":) I LOVE YOU GUYS. YOU MAKE ME FEEL AWESOME."
Nice try, troll, but I saw your original comment. I fucking cannot stand people that act like they have a pair of balls and start fights and then play the victim. YOU came into this discussion , had what you said addressed, and threw a tantrum when it wasn't the same opinion as yours. You get the respect you GIVE, and by telling us to die and making assumptions, you were treated in the appropriate manner. Don't step to people, make comments about them personally and why they read the books, and then step back and act like you did nothing wrong and expect them not to defend themselves. Think we're mean? Cry some more, this is the fucking internet. And you're proud to be a hypocrite? Do you even know what that means? I doubt it.
Oh, and since you are too much of a coward to leave up your original comment, here it is for everyone to see:
Nice try, troll, but I saw your original comment. I fucking cannot stand people that act like they have a pair of balls and start fights and then play the victim. YOU came into this discussion , had what you said addressed, and threw a tantrum when it wasn't the same opinion as yours. You get the respect you GIVE, and by telling us to die and making assumptions, you were treated in the appropriate manner. Don't step to people, make comments about them personally and why they read the books, and then step back and act like you did nothing wrong and expect them not to defend themselves. Think we're mean? Cry some more, this is the fucking internet. And you're proud to be a hypocrite? Do you even know what that means? I doubt it.
Oh, and since you are too much of a coward to leave up your original comment, here it is for everyone to see:
Aaaaand now we venture over into the batshit insane territory.Why call others out on being defensive when we're all defensive of our opinions (although I agree with Cory, certain things aren't opinions versus what's *right* and what's *not*. Unless you have some sort of psychological illness, you wouldn't want what happened to Adrian to happen to you. Cheating is *wrong* regardless of what anyone thinks, and regardless of whether or not the person "deserved" it or not.)
I am not any sort of mod and I'm not trying to baby or boss around anyone, I swear, but why? Just why? Why must this thread start into trolling? Disagreeing, sure, that's obvious, but *cough* typing in all caps and deleting comments passive aggressively?
I know we're all above this. (Or I hope we are.) Stop accusing others of "bashing opinions" because they don't agree with you. Stop victim blaming. Answer questions directly if you're going to at all, and before you press the "submit" button make sure your post makes sense if you don't want people to pick it apart.
This whole thread is one big troll.
LMFAO, Jasmine, you know what you officially are? A COWARD. I'm laughing so hard right now First of all your English is shit. Secondly you don't even know the meaning of the word hypocrite. And thirdly, LMFAO, it's pretty obvious that you KNOW that you are WRONG and have nothing to refute whatever the hell your original point was and my different opinion makes you cry? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.
I won't call you vulgar names just to deprive you of that "awesome" pleasure. How about a dildo instead?
Elena, cheating is not "inevitable", when you get involved in a relationship- it must be on a strong foundation of trust but sadly, Rose broke that trust— Rose could have prevented this by breaking it off beforehand or even not getting into a relationship at such a complex situation. All she had to do was say "Adrian, I don't think it's going to work out." Like I said, wrongdoing committed out of love doesn't make it less of a crime. A wrongdoing is a wrong doing, no matter what the reason is behind it.
I was also trying to stay out of this discussion because I haven't even read this book ... I only read the first one, a long time ago, and never read the rest. However, I find it hard to sit back when I see the YA genre so stereotyped and insulted. ... but the way you sound so bitter about Dimitri and Rose's love (or lust, as you call it) makes me wonder whether you doubt teens could truly fall in love.
What? Because someone doesn't believe in one particular YA romance, that means they don't believe in any YA romance at all? The truth is, in a lot of books (both YA and adult) lust is portrayed as love. That is, characters are attracted to each other physically and sexually, but when it comes down to it––they haven't known each other for long enough or they don't know each other that well, etc. That shouldn't be portrayed as "love" in any genre, but unfortunately it is.
And truthfully, young-adult doesn't have much of plot. There are brilliant ones, but most of them are rip-offs of others. If you want plots, maybe adult Urban Fantasy and Epic Fantasy?
Well, I'll hop on the "I write YA and I'm offended by this" bandwagon. Because ... I write YA and I'm offended by this. A majority of YA writers would be. How can you brush off an entire genre as plotless? Evidently you've been reading all the wrong YA books, because many YA books have complex plots. Honestly I haven't read much Adult Urban Fantasy or Epic Fantasy, but the books in those genres I've read, I didn't find any more riveting than most YA books I've read. In fact, most of the time I found them bogged down with more world-building and descriptions than plot. Sure, there are rip-offs of YA books, but there are rip-offs of adult books too. As Cory said earlier, YA is more of a marketing label than a genre, so it's a bit ridiculous to generalize all of them like that.
Amen to what Princess Lina said: "So please, don't insult the YA writers who write stories with great plots and engaging characters by saying that it doesn't belong in YA. As someone who wants to write YA reading that makes my blood boil."
Amber (loves Dimka and Edward and Shane! + more) wrote: "Adrian is such and idiot! Who sends thier girlfriend away with the guy she still loves completely!!! ADRIAN IS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAIVE AND BLIND!!!!(I do feel slightly bad for him though)
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I really like Adrian, and I do feel bad for him, but (view spoiler) I love Dimitri more, but I also love Adrian♥
BTW Bloodlines came out today!!! :D So excited! Getting it later today:)
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "@StormyShit does happen. People do make mistakes. And I do feel like Adrian can learn something from this. =)"
Yeah, maybe he could...
If he wasn't just a book character!! ;)
Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment). I'm actually fifteen...so this is quite amusing. And I've read quite a lot for someone my age, so naturally, quite offended with the whole "you haven't read alot of YA novels". Admittedly though, I stick with the same types in adult and YA fiction; always fantasy or Sci-Fi with the dash of romance added in:) and there's plenty of that to go around with. I'm not the adventurous type:)So anyway, I totally respect your beliefs and all. I don't really believe in "constructive demolition of your point of view" (haha or whatever you guys are doing) so I'm cool with your ways of seeing things:)
Just to clarify though, I never condoned Rose's cheating. My first reaction when she did was basically along the lines of, "you horrid bitch!". But sadly, I was a Dimitri fangirl and still sore about Hunger Games, where Katniss ended up with Peeta and not Gale, so I thought, heck I'll take what I can get.
I won't pretend to understand why you guys hate Dimitri though, just like you guys won't really care about what I have to say about Rose, Which is totally okay. (I totally understand, sometimes I find protagonists that i hate and that everybody seems to love, and I just stick with what I believe.)
I'm sorry about Adrian, but I just took it as something Richelle Mead wanted him to go through. Character development and all that. And to prevent any other misunderstanding... Not condoning Rose's cheating here again. I'm just saying, Adrian has potential to become really interesting:)
Ps, I understand where all of your are coming from about the YA genre. I agree with you guys, but I'm finding myself quite tired of the repetition I find in YA novels these days. I find so many similar plots, similar protaganists and love triangles and heroes, same challenges to go through, basically similar plots.It might just be my personal opinion, but many a time I feel like YA always has so much potential, and yet many authors don't expand. I'm sorry for offending anyone:) I'm an aspiring author too and I guess I totally should have set my thoughts straight before writing that:)
Unfortunately, the lust portrayed as love thing is true in some books, but I never felt it that way in Vampire Academy. I guess we just interpreted things completely differently:)
Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment). I'm actually fifteen...so this is quite amusing...."If you want to try something new, try Unearthly by Cynthia Hand. (It's different than most of the YA books I read, I'd say it's more original...)
Also, I agree, Adrian's character has very much potential to be interesting and more... important than he is right now. (In Bloodlines, which, by the way, comes out today! :D) And I do feel bad for him, and when Adrian found out she cheated, I was sooo sad, that was horrible! :(
& I don't consider Rose's+Dimitri's relationship as lust either...I say it's love. I do love Adrian too, but Dimitri's my favorite! This series was fantastic.
If you think Vampire Academy is bad, try reading Fallen! :| It's horrible! Oh, and The House of Night, I say that's lust and that it's horrible that Zoey thinks she can have as many boyfriends as she wants and that she's perfect and it's very clear that the Casts (PC & Kristin) aren't Christians, but they don't need to stress that so much in a book series. Oh, and all the characters are blondes (all look the same), and what's up with the cats??
Well, I think I've gone far enough off topic ;), so... yeah.♥
Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment). I'm actually fifteen...so this..."I love everything about Vampire Academy. And you are so accurate about Fallen. I'm so mad that I can't stop reading it. I thought the first was alright, Torment tormented me, and the third (Passion) was alright as well. Luce just bugs the hell out of me so much though. And Daniel as well sometimes. I only read the first of House of Night. It was okay but not great. After so many of my friends told me about it and how it began to drag, I decided not to continue. In addition it's one love triangle after another throughout the entire series. Ugh!
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment). I'm actually f...":)I do too. Richelle Mead is a great writer.
As for the House of Night- even though it's got its many faults, I'm still reading it because I'm already into it (view spoiler)Oh, and I believe it's much more than just a love triangle, it's more like a "Zoey-dating-a-million-boys-at-once-while-each-of-them-only-have-her", if one of them had another girlfriend, she'd probably kill him o_o ... Just sayin', I mean, even Aphrodite doesn't have that many boyfriends!
Lol, I'd ask why you even bothered with the rest of the Fallen series if you didn't know I bothered with the rest of The House of Night series :P ... ;)
Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment..."Yeah lol I just kept thinking that Fallen would get better. I didn't think the first was so bad so I was hoping for more in the second. Then the second, I really couldn't stand but since I'd read two, despite being annoyed, I needed to know what would happen and what the hell was going on. Book 3 was suppose to have all the answers, which for me, it didn't. So now I have to read the last. Great logic LMAO
Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it was a compliment..."Ohmygoodness I totally understand you on House of Night! I can never understand Zoey. She's such. a. bitch. Bland, undeserving of any love, and just basically everything wrong wrapped in a pretty package. The writing of the books are horrid, the side-characters are immensely dull, and even Stark, the main hero, is getting more and more uninteresting. (Was I the only girl who was like, WTH? When the *cough, Spoiler ahead* "garden scene with Zoey and Stark in Awakened" happened? *Spoiler done*
And there was so much potential in Stark. Archers are HOT!
Fallen is extremely...dull. I have to say though, Torment was much better. I swear, it's better.
As for Unearthly, I've read it already. It's alright. The writing is good, and the protagonist really is nice. However, by that time, I'd read almost every YA angel book out there from Hush Hush to Halo to Fallen and Mortal Instruments. So angels sadly didn't have much of an impact on me anymore:)
To any people who adore amazing protagonists, even if you hate Rose, I recommend the Gathering by Kelley Armstrong! Please give it a try. I adored the protagonist--she's amazing. I found it a fresh and a completely new voice:)She isn't a bitch, but she's decisive and confident in her beliefs. Logical and not about to take crap from any person. Oh yeah, the best types or protagonists!:)In my opinion of course:)
Haha, if people here hate Rose, Wait till they read the Georgina Kincaid series by Richelle Mead:) I don't hate the protagonist, but I'm certain that some people are going to absolutely despise her.I have to say though, Mead's writing really always gets me emotionally invested in a story, no matter what it is. Gotta give her that!:) (And when she leaves the cliffhangers, like in Bloodlines--Ps, where I live, Bloodlines came out 2 weeks early:)--you just feel like strangling her:)
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it ..."Haha! (My comment came in later than yours! It was because I edited a typo. I think I'm a little OCD or something.)
I had the exact same mentality for House Of Night. After buying the first six books, just waiting for something vital to happen LIKE A TOOL, I ditched the series and just read it for free. Those authors don't deserve the money they'r squeezing out trickle by trickle from extending their book series. Sometimes I wonder whether they just write the book while half a sleep in a delusional state. What kind of authors bring back dead characters? So much for letting your protagonist develop character through challenges faced. Also, the love polygon or whatever it is is getting really, really tiring.
Haha, whatever the problem with Vampire Academy, there will be a worse book series. Like House Of Night, or Evermore (The Immortals) (I actually had the sense to stop reading the latter series after the first book. Many others followed the series and watched it die. My theory in reading is this: Never read a St Martin Griffin book. Never buy 80% of YA Simon Schuster books. This is just personal, of course.)
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it ..."lol! yeah, same here. "Great logic LMAO" <--totally agree ;D
Ain020596 wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that ..."Yes, I've noticed that there are some publishers that I really do adore and others that I'm feel don't put out the best. It's so annoying. Most of the books on my maybe shelf on here, I probably won't read. All of House of Night (aside from the first), and The Immortals are on there. I'm sure they probably won't ever get read unless they dropped from the sky and I had nothing else to read. At this point I have hundreds of ebooks to read so I'm good. lol
I really don't have much excitement about ever reading House of Night again. Zoey was annoying and I didn't think the first book was great. I didn't hate it, but it didn't make me excited about what might happen. And all the different boyfriends sounds like it would annoy the hell out of me. hahaha
Ain020596 wrote: "Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that offensively...it ..."The House of Night is very forgetful... I had to think for a while to remember what the garden scene was (view spoiler)
I seriously can't get into Fallen :| trust me, I've tried, but it's just too boring. I know this sounds stupid, considering I read the house of night, but... idk.
Aahhhhh!!!! Maybe I should wait until Golden Lily comes out to read Bloodlines (because I'm too fast of a reader). Luckily, I read The Vampire Academy series after it came out, or else after reading Shadow Kiss, I would be sooooo upset!! Goodness, after that cliffhanger, I was like 'NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WHY???' lol...
Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Jessica wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Ain020596 wrote: "Wow. I have to give it to you guys, you're really strong in your beliefs. (just to make sure you don't take that..."I'm so happy that I just got into reading last year. I'm a really fast reader too so I'm able to read complete or close to complete series!
I got into reading in 5th grade... The first thing I loved and that got me into books is The Series of Unfortunate Events :)
Jessica wrote: "I got into reading in 5th grade... The first thing I loved and that got me into books is The Series of Unfortunate Events :)"Yeah I saw that movie I think but I never read the books although they look cute. I wish I started enjoying reading when I was young. =/
Lol, yeah they are younger (about 3rd-6th grade book series). :)
AlyOh shit, don't tell me I might not like Adrian's love interest. lol Is it this Angeline (not sure that's the name) girl that I've heard about?
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Jessica-I really liked Unearthly. I found it to be the most realistic love story out of all the paranormal YA books I've read.
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Ain020596-I've read Richelle Mead's Georgina Kinkaid series and I actually like Georgina. Why do you think that people will despise her? She could be considered slutty but its part of her job, she's under contract and she has to do that stuff to live. Just curious.
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Rose- I thought of something that bothered me that Rose has done that wasn't mentioned. She experimented with Adrian with a kiss when she was in therapy. I'm pretty sure that Adrian's crush on her was obvious and she did it anyway. That's like throwing kindle on a fire your trying to put out. I can't imagine kissing someone just to prove to myself that I love someone else. I can't imagine kissing someone that I don't have feelings for. I can't even date someone that likes me more than I like them. It feels too wrong. Rose doesn't have much of a guilty conscience, is what I'm trying to point out. If I did what she did, I would be freaked out and ashamed of myself to the point of staying far away from the person I did it to. She has no shame.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "AlyOh shit, don't tell me I might not like Adrian's love interest. lol Is it this Angeline (not sure that's the name) girl that I've heard about?
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Yep, But after reading some reviews of the series, I see their point. It's hard to explain, and I'm not as big a fan of the Georgina Kincaid series as compared to the Vampire Academy one, so if I were to give any examples, I can't remember. And I'm so totally not risking another all-out-war, battle-of-the-opinions again. Very happy with where the discussion is now:):) Just read some of the reviews, you'll understand. People hate Rose because they find her selfish, and Georgina can be seen in the same way as well, except with much more proof to back them up to the extent where I agree with them:)
Jessica wrote: "I got into reading in 5th grade... The first thing I loved and that got me into books is The Series of Unfortunate Events :)"My first novel was Charlotte's Web at the age of six:) My second book was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory which I read like 4 or 5 pages per day until it finished (because my school used to have a reading period in the morning). And from then on I never stopped reading. I completely skipped the Enid Blyton stage. I grew up with Roald Dahl instead:)
Yes, I can still remember my first books:) I wept like a baby when Charlotte died in Charlotte's web:( This was all my mother's doing. Now she probably regrets it: Some parents whine about their kids not reading. My mother would whine about me doing nothing else BUT reading:) Fortunately, she drilled in the importance of studies since young. *Sigh*. Asian parents:) Series of Unfortunate events was absolutely frustrating because the writing was amazing and I love the plots--but as a kid I would always feel so depressed at the endings!
@Stormy: Try Forbidden by Tabitha Suzuma. It was the most beautiful YA Novel I had ever read:) But try the synopsis first. It won't appeal to some people because of the incest element.
People hate Rose because they find her selfish, and Georgina can be seen in the same way as well, except with much more proof to back them up to the extent where I agree with them:)What does it matter about the quantity of proof to back up Rose's selfishness? The proof only has to be valid enough to back up your point. You can disagree with me all you want, I couldn't give less of a damn, but you don't determine whether the opposition's "proof" is valid or not. I've used proof, Cory has used to evidence and so has everyone else— just because you disagree, it doesn't make the proof less valid.
This discussion has derailed enough as it is, seeing as the conversations have nothing to do with original topic, so I don't know what you're so worried about.
♔ Leah. wrote: "People hate Rose because they find her selfish, and Georgina can be seen in the same way as well, except with much more proof to back them up to the extent where I agree with them:)What does it m..."
Oh, Leah Leah Leah. Whatever I say, you make it sound so horrid!:) I would ask you to relax, except I wouldn't want you to take if wrongly too:) You have to believe that I don't say these things to piss you off!:) Of course, if you are offended, there's nothing I can do.
By proof, I mean evidence. I study lit, (I'm only 15, so what I'm about to say might sound inferior to whatever you know, or something. I am so not a humanities student, but I live in Singapore and in my school, it's compulsory to take at least 2 humanities. I'm a science and math student, so if my Lit skills are less than perfect, I apologise:)) But by evidence I meant it as part of the trio: "Assertion, Evidence, Explanation.", the most basic format of giving inferences. So the way I see it, the more evidences, the more convincing the argument. Just the fact that when it comes to Rose, I think that in some circumstances, there are also evidences to contradict them.
But, as I said above, "I totally respect your beliefs and all. I don't really believe in "constructive demolition of your point of view" (haha or whatever you guys are doing) so I'm cool with your ways of seeing things:)".
I'm not worried--I just really don't want to fight on a discussion forum:)
Now I'm going to watch A Very Potter Musical for like the dozen-th time, because I suddenly have a craving for Harry Potter:)
I just got my copy of Bloodlines. It was sent to somewhere I used to live so, I had to get a friend to bring it to me. :) Yay. I'm happy.
I'm not offended at all, like I said, it's the way your wording it— just like your making my comment seem like I'm making you sound horrid when I'm not. You're just assuming things when I'm just making a point. Again, there are many evidence of Rose's evidence, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with comment essays and examples to back them up, neither would other people. I wouldn't have bothered commenting, even. I've made a point, I've used evidence for it and I'm pretty damn sure I explained it really well. I've followed those rules and I've used plenty of evidence. If you don't agree, then that's fine, we can both agree on mutual disagreement to end it. I personally don't find some of Rose's excuses valid enough, but if you do then good for you.
We're only quoting so we assess your points clearly and make sure what we are refuting. Sorry if that came across as demolishing (seeing as we're not even doing it brutally) or whatever, because it's not like I'm demeaning you for it. I just plain disagree and I say why. There are lots of points being thrown about and I'm trying to argue chronologically.
It's not a fight, it's a debate. No one is getting personally insulted by it, and if they are then the internet isn't a place for them.
♔ Leah. wrote: "I'm not offended at all, like I said, it's the way your wording it— just like your making my comment seem like I'm making you sound horrid when I'm not. You're just assuming things when I'm j..."I guess so:) Sorry I misunderstood:)
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I just got my copy of Bloodlines. It was sent to somewhere I used to live so, I had to get a friend to bring it to me. :) Yay. I'm happy."
AAH, Congrats!! PS, Warning: It ends with a MAJOR cliffhanger!!!:)
It's fine. We can just agree on mutual disagreement because you have your opinions and I have mine.
There are other discussions on this topic.http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...
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Ain020596 wrote: "♔ Leah. wrote: "I'm not offended at all, like I said, it's the way your wording it— just like your making my comment seem like I'm making you sound horrid when I'm not. You're just assuming things..."That's what everyone has been saying. Ugh, I'm so excited I want to read it so bad but then again I don't want to finish it and wait for The Golden Lily to come out. lol
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "There are other discussions on this topic.http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5......"
I don't think I could stand going over there. Their English is horrendous.
http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2011/08...Go there if you've already read Bloodlines. There's suppose to be some kind of teasers for The Golden Lily.
♔ Leah. wrote: "People hate Rose because they find her selfish, and Georgina can be seen in the same way as well, except with much more proof to back them up to the extent where I agree with them:)What does it m..."
LOL you never stop. You just keep going and going and going. It's quite funny. Didn't you already make your point? Ain didn't even say anything to you. lol I probably won't even see what you say in regards to this (I'm sure you'll think of something... clever), I just had to say that you're really making me laugh out loud. So, thanks! =) You really should check out those other discussions that Stormy listed.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I just got my copy of Bloodlines. It was sent to somewhere I used to live so, I had to get a friend to bring it to me. :) Yay. I'm happy."Yay finally! Screw you know who and all of her craziness! ;)
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "LOL you never stop. You just keep going and going and going. It's quite funny. Didn't you already make your point? Ain didn't even say anything to you. lol I probably won't even see what you say in regards to this (I'm sure you'll think of something... clever), I just had to say that you're really making me laugh out loud. So, thanks! =) You really should check out those other discussions that Stormy listed. The original topic of this discussion is: Really?! How stupid is he!!!??? not, Which Books Are Worse Than Vampire Academy?
You're derailing, not Leah. Regardless of that, those other discussions look like mindless drivel. I wouldn't approach them with a ten-foot pole.
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LOL I'm so glad that this discussion made as friends too! And I respect your opinion because I see where you're coming from although I disagree... I still love Rose and Dimitri despite the choices that they made. Everyone makes bad choices in life. But of course I'M not going to pick apart your post. This is your opinion. You know mine and I know yours. This is the way that life is suppose to work. We agree to disagree and we're friends! Yay! =)