Last Sacrifice
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Really?! How stupid is he!!!???
Cory wrote:The original topic of this discussion is: Really?! How stupid is he!!!??? not, Which Books Are Worse Than Vampire Academy?You're derailing, not Leah. Regardless of that, those other discussions look like mindless drivel. I wouldn't approach them with a ten-foot pole.
Why don't you make a new topic for your current discussion?
Apparently, we can write anything on the Internet, here included. Nobody has been focused on this discussion for a while. I mainly have been reading digs going back and forth on each others intelligence. Your welcome to start the discussion back up but thing get so heated that people shy away or try to change the subject to a lighter topic.
Cory wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "LOL you never stop. You just keep going and going and going. It's quite funny. Didn't you already make your point? Ain didn't even say anything to you. lol I probably won't even se..."I'm derailing? lol A lot of people have derailed.
Obviously, because all the opinions have been argued/debated over. If you'd like to get us back on track, give it a jolly good shot. =)
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I just got my copy of Bloodlines. It was sent to somewhere I used to live so, I had to get a friend to bring it to me. :) Yay. I'm happy."Yay finally! Screw ..."
Anyway Stormy, like hell she'll get to read it. She's horrible. She deserves no kindness from you! muahahahaha
I know, I know. She probably wont be too interested in it anyway because she's an extreme Dimitri fan. [Team Adrian! :)] So, I forrrrrcereals don't really give a shit...Ha ha.
@ Kimi,I'm sorry, is this a membership only club? Oh wait... no it isn't, so I can comment if I wish too. If you don't like it or it's making you all butthurt then take it else where. Plus, with all the passive aggressive shade throwing you do strikes me as really feeble, just because I don't agree with you. Get over it.
What I find hilarious, is how you get so rude because I do make comments and arguments that happen to differ to yours and back away when I do reply. I mean, God, pathetic or what?
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Cory wrote: "Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "There are other discussions on this topic.http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...
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No. I'm just annoyed to see someone else nitpicking on Leah for continuing the original discussion topic.
And then continuing on passive-aggressive "it's over" blah. Usually, on real forums, threads like this are either locked or moved to TIO. But such is Goodreads.
That's all that people are ever capable of: passive aggressive stances. How hard is it too understand I keep on "going on and on" because majority of the discussion has been on victim blaming? Move the new discussion elsewhere, if you can't handle debate then don't bother getting involved.
♔ Leah. wrote: "@ Kimi,I'm sorry, is this a membership only club? Oh wait... no it isn't, so I can comment if I wish too. If you don't like it or it's making you all butthurt then take it else where. Plus, with ..."
I didn't say you couldn't comment. I just said it was funny. I'm not butthurt or upset. lol I did reply, as did other people, and look where that got us. No where.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I know, I know. She probably wont be too interested in it anyway because she's an extreme Dimitri fan. [Team Adrian! :)] So, I forrrrrcereals don't really give a shit...Ha ha."Girl, I wouldn't either. Of course I'm going to read it though. I love Richelle Mead and I like Adrian. He's funny and flirty. Two characteristics I enjoy. I hope he has a happy ending. I have a good feeling he will eventually. =)
Clearly by "nowhere" you mean "not agreeing with you". So where did you take this discussion? The correct answer: nowhere either. What does 'books much worse than VA' got anything to do with 'victim blaming' which is the original topic of the conversation? Nothing. Apparently, people have no idea what a discussion is.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I hope he has a happy ending. I have a good feeling he will eventually. =) "I hope so too. But, judging from Bloodlines, I suspect that RM will lobotomize him before that happens.
I suggested the other discussions because this one was dying down and now you are saying as much. *shrug* I tried to help but everyone and everything on Goodreads can't meet your standards and that's just something you have to deal with.I'm tired of reading this stupid shit. I don't give a shit who is disagreeing and who isn't just freaking talk about something other than how fucking stupid each other are or whatever. The topic at hand is whether or not ADRIAN is stupid not anyone who joins this discussion. If you want to talk about the topic then get on with it and I'm sure others will join in but if you cant do anything other then take barbs at one another then that's all that is going to happen here. DAMN!
♔ Leah. wrote: "Clearly by "nowhere" you mean "not agreeing with you". So where did you take this discussion? The correct answer: nowhere either. What does 'books much worse than VA' got anything to do with 'victi..."I actually that's not at all what I meant. What I meant was that I understood where you were coming from but I did not feel that you understood at all where I was coming from.
Cory wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I hope he has a happy ending. I have a good feeling he will eventually. =) "I hope so too. But, judging from Bloodlines, I suspect that RM will lobotomize him before that happens."
Oh gosh now I'm worried to read it lol
♔ Leah. wrote: "See: Rose/Dimitri and Adrian/Sydney. Dimitri/Sydney would have been better, to be honest."Hah! Now there's a thought. I liked Rose when Mason was still around. But when his ghost left, she became unbearable. It's like Dimitri is the root of all evil in this universe. Before him and Rose sexed it up, I liked her.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I suggested the other discussions because this one was dying down and now you are saying as much. *shrug* I tried to help but everyone and everything on Goodreads can't meet your standards and that..."Why thank you for that Stormy! lol Many times discussions go in other directions so I agree.
@Leah, if you'd like to continue with the debate on the original topic, by all means feel free. But like you said, everyone is free to comment and there may be others talking about other things. Darn, I'm so sorry if that is unsettling to you.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Oh gosh now I'm worried to read it lol "I read the first chapter. Sydney annoyed the hell out of me. Unlike Rose, she's boring, judgmental, and has super low self-esteem. Then I checked out other reviews and decided that I'd pass.
But, considering the Adrian chapter that RM wrote, she's probably going to turn him into a male Bella Swan who'll never be able to get over his one true love. *gag*
Cory wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Oh gosh now I'm worried to read it lol "I read the first chapter. Sydney annoyed the hell out of me. Unlike Rose, she's boring, judgmental, and has super low self-esteem. Then I ..."
Well, I guess I won't be reading Bloodlines for a while. I'm stuck on two adult paranormal series anyway. Maybe I'll read it next month.
Bella is so annoying... And movie Bella is ten times worse due to the screenwriter and director. ugh I'd feel so sad for Adrian if he went down that path. I feel like he'd be like Bella in New Moon, my least favorite Twilight book.
♔ Leah. wrote: "@ Kimi,
I'm sorry, is this a membership only club? Oh wait... no it isn't, so I can comment if I wish too. If you don't like it or it's making you all butthurt then take it else where. Plus, with ..."
That was meant for Kimi not you bb my phone sucks
I'm sorry, is this a membership only club? Oh wait... no it isn't, so I can comment if I wish too. If you don't like it or it's making you all butthurt then take it else where. Plus, with ..."
That was meant for Kimi not you bb my phone sucks
No, in fact I did, I just disagreed and explained why. Last time I checked, that wasn't the definition of "misunderstanding".It's not "unsettling". What I don't understand is how I'm to blame for derailling it when the discussion has gone in a different direction by other members. I made a comment because it's something related to the actual discussion and you happened to make a snide comment about it— so what if I'm commenting? Is it causing you physical harm? No. So why question my comment? If it's so unsettling for you, then feel free to take it elsewhere. If it isn't too hard, of course...
@ Stormy,
The only reason people are taking barbs at eachother is because of previous people making an argument and then people come barging in saying it's "bashing" or "demolishing", when it's nothing like that. It's disagreement. Anyone can say whatever the hell they want, just don't make it seem something personal.
I haven't gotten to the part where Adrian seems to be depressed over Rose. Just this one scene where he was on the other side of the room as far as he could get from Rose. Which, to me, is understandable. He didn't seem that mopey but I'm still reading. Slowly, thanks to my distraction of internet. lol
Cory wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Cory wrote: "Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "There are other discussions on this topic.
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My comment was for Kimi, not you Cory. My phone sucks n hit the wrong comment
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My comment was for Kimi, not you Cory. My phone sucks n hit the wrong comment
Sydney was a horrible choice for a narrator, she was neither secondary nor interesting so that readers would want to continue to read on. I liked Rose at first but her obsession with Dimitri honestly killed that spark of hers. I think Mason and Adrian brought out her better side. Once she became fixated about Dimitri, her flaws became much worse and continued to do so.
♔ Leah. wrote: "Sydney was a horrible choice for a narrator, she was neither secondary nor interesting so that readers would want to continue to read on. I liked Rose at first but her obsession with Dimitri hone..."
I liked how competitive she was with Mason and how free she was with Adrian but when she was with or pining over Dimitri, your right, she was not interesting to read about because it was basically the same old shit. And yeah, Sydney is kind of dull. That's why I'm putting down the book so much.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "I haven't gotten to the part where Adrian seems to be depressed over Rose. Just this one scene where he was on the other side of the room as far as he could get from Rose. Which, to me, is understa..."Oh Stormy! I have no idea when I'm going to read it now. Sydney's going to bug me so much.
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "♔ Leah. wrote: "Sydney was a horrible choice for a narrator, she was neither secondary nor interesting so that readers would want to continue to read on. I liked Rose at first but her obsession ..."
Exactly. She seemed alot more alive~ (if that makes any sense), and a lot more comfortable and relaxed. With Dimitri, it was either to impress him or try to be like him. I personally felt, she wasn't comfortable with that herself.
If you think she's dull now, wait till you read the book. The amount of ridiculous comments she seems to be making is something else— especially her annoying body issues that are just unhealthy.
Which is because she wanted to be seen as mature and an adult by Dimitri and when she acted like a brat he called her a child and she hated that because she wanted to be with him so bad and wanted to be seen as his equal. She tried so hard to be older and all when Mason and Adrian liked her for how she was already. Immature but still fun.Yeah, I read where she said that she wanted to eat less because Jill had a size two and she was given a size four. When I read that I was like, "That's why she hardly ate when her and Rose were on their adventures." Lame.
Mason was definitely my favorite character in the series. Even before Adrian and Christian. The three of them really brought out the good side of Rose's personality. Rose was supposed to be confident and self-assured, but when Dimitri showed up, all of that flew away so that she could fangirl him. It was disappointing. Sometimes, it feels like RM sacrifices plot and reason to write a romance that she likes, not what makes sense. Which, if you're a commercial author, is not the route to go.
With the excessive amount of clothing descriptions, it feels like this series is trying to become Blue Bloods.
Hopefully, there's no love triangle here. But, knowing Mead, there will be.
I heard that there is going to be one but idk.
That's why I grew to dislike her as the series went on, it seemed like character development of the forceful sort only making her worse. Like I said, everything for her revolved around Dimitri and being perfect for him only mattered. But other characters: such as Adrian, Christian and Mason, made her forget to be perfect because it wasn't a requirement in order to be liked. Like Dimitri looked down for her weakness, she adopted that trait and looked down on other characters. Cory, I'm seeing the set up for it right now- it's a male/female/male one... again. I think the third character will be Trey, to be honest. Mead did say Sydney will be dating in the next book. What's worse is the love polygon going on with Jill.*gags* That is abnormal.
Ain020596 wrote: "Jessica wrote: "I got into reading in 5th grade... The first thing I loved and that got me into books is The Series of Unfortunate Events :)"My first novel was Charlotte's Web at the age of six:)..."
Lol, cool. :)before 5th grade, I hated reading, but now I love it
Oh, yes, and the strong always pray on the weak.Adrian wont be weak for long...
Stormy [S♥J] wrote: "Oh, yes, and the strong always pray on the weak.Adrian wont be weak for long..."
I am hoping that Adrian becomes stronger in Bloodlines, which is what I am reading now. Rose just wanted him to stand on his own two feet and to quit using her as a crutch
Christine wrote: "I am a Huge Dimka fan!!! Adrian is too weak and I loved the sean where Rose realized the difference between him and her and that being that Adrian is always playing the darn Victim,Rose is a fighter she needs a man just as strong as her or stronger."....
I won't even bother. But I will ask, have you read this entire thread? Or are you unaware of what victim blaming is?
Krista (One Love) (Critical) wrote: "I mean, really, how stupid can you be? ROSE is the weak one for not being able to control her own freaking sexual urges. And since when is being betrayed by someone something that makes YOU a bad person? Seriously, you people are all little Rose-drones. It's like you don't even have minds of your own. "
Thank god for this bit of common sense.
Christine wrote: "I am a Huge Dimka fan!!! Adrian is too weak and I loved the sean where Rose realized the difference between him and her and that being that Adrian is always playing the darn Victim,Rose is a fighte..."
First of all, strength doesn't just mean physical ability. Don't believe me, look it up. Emotional and intellectual strength are just as valuable as being able to beat someone down. Sure Dimitri can throw a punch, but he has the personality and emotional depth of a kiddie pool. I respect Adrian much more because although he was naive and had his flaws, he had a good heart and didn't screw people over. Dimitri may have had his "morals" but he violated all of them with his behavior. I'm sorry, but should Adrian not have been pissed off at being cheated on? Was he weak when he trusted Rose and funded her trip to Russia? Would you like it if people called you stupid for being heartbroken that your significant other decieved you? I didn't think so. If anything, Adrian put up with a lot and gave Rose the respect and space to do what she had to do. He wasn't controlling or jealous at all about it because he gave her the benefit of the doubt. If anyone plays the victim in these books, it's Rose.
First of all, strength doesn't just mean physical ability. Don't believe me, look it up. Emotional and intellectual strength are just as valuable as being able to beat someone down. Sure Dimitri can throw a punch, but he has the personality and emotional depth of a kiddie pool. I respect Adrian much more because although he was naive and had his flaws, he had a good heart and didn't screw people over. Dimitri may have had his "morals" but he violated all of them with his behavior. I'm sorry, but should Adrian not have been pissed off at being cheated on? Was he weak when he trusted Rose and funded her trip to Russia? Would you like it if people called you stupid for being heartbroken that your significant other decieved you? I didn't think so. If anything, Adrian put up with a lot and gave Rose the respect and space to do what she had to do. He wasn't controlling or jealous at all about it because he gave her the benefit of the doubt. If anyone plays the victim in these books, it's Rose.
Krista (One Love) (Critical) wrote: "Christine wrote: "I am a Huge Dimka fan!!! Adrian is too weak and I loved the sean where Rose realized the difference between him and her and that being that Adrian is always playing the darn Victi..."
You are amazing, I need to hang this on my fridge lol.
You are amazing, I need to hang this on my fridge lol.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Krista (One Love) (Critical) wrote: "Christine wrote: "I am a Huge Dimka fan!!! Adrian is too weak and I loved the sean where Rose realized the difference between him and her and that being that Ad..."Haha, right back at you.
*eye roll* Oh for God's sake... Physical abilities have limits— your bones can break and age can also weaken you physically. Dimitri will have brawns but they won't last long. Strength, like Midnight_Kiss has said, comes in many different forms and in my opinion, mental strength is far more valuable and eternal than physical strength.
What era are you from? The neanderthal times? This bullshit about having a man who is strong enough to protect a woman is so fucking mysogonistic and disgusting. Stop with this alpha/beta male bullshit, we're not on the National Geographic.
Oh wow.I'm gone for like a week and look what's happened:)
It really is quite hilarious.
I think Richelle Mead's characters all have their flaws. It's just that some people can accept certain flaws, and others can't. It's quite simple. Certain flaws affect us more because of our own very strong beliefs, and less to others who maybe have different opinions, or don't give a damn, or who've seen it before and don't think it's a big deal. (I'm just shooting out random possibilities.)
I don't think we're going to come to any sort of conclusion, so this conversation is quite pointless. At first it was interesting, but I think most of us here have given our opinions and objections, and neither side is going to give in.
So... Why is everyone still so... uh... uhm... I was just about to say argumentative.
But then I realised this is like a debate.
So... Nevermind. Just carry on, accomplishing nothing. I guess some of you are trying to knock sense into others, but I don't see anyone really succeeding.
Well, that's my small attempt in proposing some sort of closure, but I know I could just shut up and... Disappear.
So. Good luck:) Have fun:) Hope some of you get somewhere:)
I read your whole post twice, and I don't see how it's both of their faults, from what you said. So Adrian was at fault for quitting smoking and quitting drinking for Rose? I don't see how. He had no reason to quit before hand -- it wasn't damaging him and he liked doing it. Because his significant other didn't like this behavior he stopped. I wonder how many would call him selfish if he hadn't stopped when Rose asked. Rose isn't at fault for falling back in love with Dimitri. No-one is blaming her for that. She's blamed because she cheated on Adrian. If she fell in love with Dimitri again, dumped Adrian and then got back together with Dimitri that wouldn't be a problem. But no, Rose fell in love with Dimitri, got together with him and then dumped Adrian and blamed him for being upset over this.
I agree though about your last point. After all, if Rose was a big enough jerk to cheat on Adrian with Dimitri, what would have stopped her from finding another Dimitri to fall in epic true love with and cheat on him regardless?
Tenae wrote: "No, I mean he was at fault for doing nothing for himself. It's like he didn't even care until Rose came along; he heaped his crap on her, too. And he trusted her a bit too much. He was unhappy in the fifth book that Rose was "throwing away their relationship" for Dimitri. I think he's at a bit of a fault for not getting a clue. You can't really trust someone on their word when it comes to saving their ex-once-undead boyfriend, whom she loved very deeply.Yes, I agree that Rose cheating on Adrian was wrong. But I do have to say that she might have gotten a little bit sidetracked with everything that was going on. I do think she would have broken up with Adrian if Adrian had been there and if things weren't as serious as they were with the whole "who killed the Queen?" business.
I don't think anything would have stopped Rose from doing that; Rose and Adrian were destined to fail; Rose was destined to move on from him. Well, "destined" might be a too strong a word for it ...
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How To Have a Healthy Relationship Mutual respect. Does he or she get how cool you are and why? (Watch out if the answer to the first part is yes but only because you're acting like someone you're not!) The key is that your BF or GF is into you for who you are — for your great sense of humor, your love of reality TV, etc. Does your partner listen when you say you're not comfortable doing something and then back off right away? Respect in a relationship means that each person values who the other is and understands — and would never challenge — the other person's boundaries.
Trust.You're talking with a guy from French class and your boyfriend walks by. Does he completely lose his cool or keep walking because he knows you'd never cheat on him? It's OK to get a little jealous sometimes — jealousy is a natural emotion. But how a person reacts when feeling jealous is what matters. There's no way you can have a healthy relationship if you don't trust each other.
Honesty.This one goes hand-in-hand with trust because it's tough to trust someone when one of you isn't being honest. Have you ever caught your girlfriend in a major lie? Like she told you that she had to work on Friday night but it turned out she was at the movies with her friends? The next time she says she has to work, you'll have a lot more trouble believing her and the trust will be on shaky ground.
Support.It's not just in bad times that your partner should support you. Some people are great when your whole world is falling apart but can't take being there when things are going right (and vice versa). In a healthy relationship, your significant other is there with a shoulder to cry on when you find out your parents are getting divorced and to celebrate with you when you get the lead in a play.
Fairness/equality.You need to have give-and-take in your relationship, too. Do you take turns choosing which new movie to see? As a couple, do you hang out with your partner's friends as often as you hang out with yours? It's not like you have to keep a running count and make sure things are exactly even, of course. But you'll know if it isn't a pretty fair balance. Things get bad really fast when a relationship turns into a power struggle, with one person fighting to get his or her way all the time.
Separate identities. In a healthy relationship, everyone needs to make compromises. But that doesn't mean you should feel like you're losing out on being yourself. When you started going out, you both had your own lives (families, friends, interests, hobbies, etc.) and that shouldn't change. Neither of you should have to pretend to like something you don't, or give up seeing your friends, or drop out of activities you love. And you also should feel free to keep developing new talents or interests, making new friends, and moving forward.
Good communication. You've probably heard lots of stuff about how men and women don't seem to speak the same language. We all know how many different meanings the little phrase "no, nothing's wrong" can have, depending on who's saying it! But what's important is to ask if you're not sure what he or she means, and speak honestly and openly so that the miscommunication is avoided in the first place. Never keep a feeling bottled up because you're afraid it's not what your BF or GF wants to hear or because you worry about sounding silly. And if you need some time to think something through before you're ready to talk about it, the right person will give you some space to do that if you ask for it.
Before you go off on a tangent about Adrian being too trusting, read what's written above. Whether you like it or not, you're supposed to trust your girlfriend. You are a fucking idiot if you don't trust the person you love and expect to have a healthy relationship.
You may have a point. But then again, if these people are so easily brainwashed by Rose, then perhaps there is a chance their weak little minds might be swayed again, only this time in the right direction. Or not.
@Tenae, FYI, Adrian is not a teenager. Also, if he was ONLY physically attracted to her, I don't think he'd have quit smoking for her. He obviously cared for her, whereas she was using him, plain and simple. Taking advantage of someone is not a good thing, people. Taking advantage of a nice man/vamp who really loves you is NOT OKAY. Have some sense.
@everyone else. Listen to Cory. She's one of the only people on here who actually has a functioning brain.
Seriously, what is up with this "he trusted her too much" argument? How do you trust someone too much? You either trust them or you don't. Simple as. Like Cory has clearly pointed above, trust should be the foundation of a relationship, if there is no trust then why have the relationship in the first place. It's ridiculous that just because the reader knows how Rose is feeling, they assume every other character does too. She should have been honest with him instead of stringing him along— even after she cheated on him, she REFUSED to dump him because she needed to use him for his assets.
Stop justifying emotional manipulation and taking advantage of someone who loves you— that behaviour is not normal but sociopathic. It's disgusting that her behaviour is turned a blind eye too yet Adrian gets shit for not knowing that he'll get cheated on. Shows how much sense people have.
♔ Leah. wrote: "Seriously, what is up with this "he trusted her too much" argument? How do you trust someone too much? You either trust them or you don't. Simple as.
Like Cory has clearly pointed above, trust sh..."
Lol and if Adrian tried to tell her not to go with Dimitri everyone would bitch that he was selfish or controlling. The guy can't win.
Like Cory has clearly pointed above, trust sh..."
Lol and if Adrian tried to tell her not to go with Dimitri everyone would bitch that he was selfish or controlling. The guy can't win.
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