Last Sacrifice
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Really?! How stupid is he!!!???
Amber (loves Dimka and Edward and Shane! + more) wrote: "Adrian is such and idiot! Who sends thier girlfriend away with the guy she still loves completely!!! ADRIAN IS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAIVE AND BLIND!!!!(I do feel slightly bad for him though)
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Dimka forever I know!!!!!
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I’ve never disliked Adrian. I just like Dimitri more. Seeing as how everyone on here hates Rose much and loves Adrian so much, I would think they’d be happy about the way thinks happened. Lol It se..."I totally agree with you. Stop hating Rose. You guys think that it is okay for Rose to stay with Adrian, when she loves Dimitri. That is why I was happy with Last Sacrifice, because it will be wrong for Rose to end up with Adrian. Rose needed to be with Dimitri, they are how Ms.Karp said in sync, and Rose and Adrian are not. Maybe Rose did some bad things but if Adrian really loved her, he will have been happy that she was happy.
Maricela wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I’ve never disliked Adrian. I just like Dimitri more. Seeing as how everyone on here hates Rose much and loves Adrian so much, I would think they’d be happy about the way thinks ha..."Thanks girl! I don't think any individual who hates Rose will ever stop hating. I mean really, do haters ever stop? And if you don't hate Rose for her choices then according to some Adrian lovers, we've been brainwashed by Rose! hilarious.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Maricela wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I’ve never disliked Adrian. I just like Dimitri more. Seeing as how everyone on here hates Rose much and loves Adrian so much, I would think they’d be happy about ..."It is hilarious. I love Adrian too, but Rose was meant for Dimitri. Adrian fans: I wanted him to be happy too, but he is just not meant to be with Rose. Like Rose said he is going to find someone else, and they were going to break up either way. Everyone is talking how sad it was for Adrian but what about Dimitri, he didn't wanted to be with Rose because she was with Adrian, if she was happy, Dimitri was happy too. But Adrian is different, he should be happy that Rose gets to be with the person she loves. Because for me that is love, if you love someone you want that person to be happy with you or with someone else.
In Frostbite, when Tasha asked Dimitri to be her partner Rose said "You can't force love, I realized. It's there or it isn't. If it's not there, you've got to be able to admit it. If it is there, you've got to do whatever it takes to protect the ones you love." I think that is what she did with Adrian too, if she really didn't love him like Dimitri why stay with him, you have to admit it. Why be diluting yourself.
After what happen with Dimitri, Rose couldn't just stay with Adrian if she did it will be for pity, will that be better for Adrian?
Maricela wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Maricela wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I’ve never disliked Adrian. I just like Dimitri more. Seeing as how everyone on here hates Rose much and loves Adrian so much, I would think they’..."I love Rose and Dimitri. I like Adrian. I see where you're coming from. Dimitri would have suffered by not being with Rose if she was truly happy with Adrian. But they weren't meant for one another. Rose wasn't good for Adrian so honestly I don't know why everyone dwells on the fact that Rose cheated. She shouldn't have cheated but neither of them should have got into the relationship for so many reasons that I've already stated.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Thanks girl! I don't think any individual who hates Rose will ever stop hating. I mean really, do haters ever stop? And if you don't hate Rose for her choices then according to some Adrian lovers, we've been brainwashed by Rose! hilarious. "I love Rose and Dimitri. I like Adrian. I see where you're coming from. Dimitri would have suffered by not being with Rose if she was truly happy with Adrian. But they weren't meant for one another. Rose wasn't good for Adrian so honestly I don't know why everyone dwells on the fact that Rose cheated. She shouldn't have cheated but neither of them should have got into the relationship for so many reasons that I've already stated.
Maricela wrote: "
I totally agree with you. Stop hating Rose. You guys think that it is okay for Rose to stay with Adrian, when she loves Dimitri. That is why I was happy with Last Sacrifice, because it will be wrong for Rose to end up with Adrian. Rose needed to be with Dimitri, they are how Ms.Karp said in sync, and Rose and Adrian are not. Maybe Rose did some bad things but if Adrian really loved her, he will have been happy that she was happy. "
"It is hilarious. I love Adrian too, but Rose was meant for Dimitri. Adrian fans: I wanted him to be happy too, but he is just not meant to be with Rose. Like Rose said he is going to find someone else, and they were going to break up either way. Everyone is talking how sad it was for Adrian but what about Dimitri, he didn't wanted to be with Rose because she was with Adrian, if she was happy, Dimitri was happy too. But Adrian is different, he should be happy that Rose gets to be with the person she loves. Because for me that is love, if you love someone you want that person to be happy with you or with someone else.
In Frostbite, when Tasha asked Dimitri to be her partner Rose said "You can't force love, I realized. It's there or it isn't. If it's not there, you've got to be able to admit it. If it is there, you've got to do whatever it takes to protect the ones you love." I think that is what she did with Adrian too, if she really didn't love him like Dimitri why stay with him, you have to admit it. Why be diluting yourself.
After what happen with Dimitri, Rose couldn't just stay with Adrian if she did it will be for pity, will that be better for Adrian?"
Excuse me for a second...
The fail in your comments have left me unable to reply. I will be back shortly.
This thread is filled with stupidity of epic fucking proportions.
Cory, did I say shit to you? No i did not. If you want to waste your time replying to me cool. Go for it. I'm over your little Rose hater club lol
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Cory, did I say shit to you? No i did not. If you want to waste your time replying to me cool. Go for it. I'm over your little Rose hater club lol"
You're on the internet. Get over it. Go send little happy fucking PM's to each other if you want to victim blame. I'm on this forum and I'll do whatever the fuck I like. I will go for it because you're usually wrong.
And yes, I hate Rose. It's not a secret. You'd have to be a fucking moron if you didn't know that. Why don't you skip along and go victim blame with pedobear and Justin Bieber.
I don't care if you like Dmika and Roza. Now, when you get on me for hating Rose, well, seeing as how I'm justified, I think you should either leave, cover your wittle ears, or find a way to kick me off the board.
This thread was started as an Adrian hate club. Seeing as how victim blaming is wrong in all shapes and forms, I came here to stop it.
FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY WANTED ROSE TO STAY WITH ADRIAN! I may have been losing my cool a little here, but Jesus Christ you guys. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. WAS. THAT. ROSE. SHOULD. HAVE. BROKEN. UP. WITH. ADRIAN. BEFORE. GOING. TO. RIDE. DIMITRI'S...um...*lost her nerve*...you know what I mean.You keep twisting around everyone's words to fuel your own obvious issues with Adrian and propel your victim blaming even more. I don't understand it. I just don't understand it. Just admit Rose was wrong for cheating! That's all anyone is asking!
No matter how epic and true Dimitri and Rose were, CHEATING ON ADRIAN WAS WRONG. CHEATING. IS. WRONG. Unless you have some sort of psychological issues, you don't want to be cheated on, right? So why would it be okay for someone to cheat on someone else, if you wouldn't like it? IT'S WRONG. That is not an opinion!
Rose is a selfish bitch for cheating on Adrian instead of breaking up with him before she went to Dimitri. STOP BLAMING ADRIAN FOR HER OWN SELFISH BITCHERY.
I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. Do you even hear yourselves?
As for Cory replying when you "didn't say shit to [her]", you need to put your big girl panties on and get the fuck over it. It happens. And you know what? You can't do anything to stop it. If you don't want people replying to you, stop commenting on this thread because I know now I'll reply every time you type something, just because you've epically pissed me off.
Thank you and goodnight!
Also, Cory, nice Shaun of the Dead gif.
Mello wrote: "FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY WANTED ROSE TO STAY WITH ADRIAN! I may have been losing my cool a little here, but Jesus Christ you guys. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. WAS. THAT. ROSE. SHOULD. HAVE. BROKEN. UP. WITH. ..."I already did admit that Rose shouldn't have cheated. Obviously you have no idea what point I was trying to make. And actually the point of this discussion board was that Adrian was NAIVE AND BLIND! I think her other point was that he was stupid. What exactly did I twist? The fact that many people hate Rose? I just feel like it's funny when people lash out for no reason. Who ever feels the need to be angry an hostile over a book feel free. But it takes so much more energy to be angry. So I'm going to choose to not be angry.
lol okay keep replying that's fine. If I feel like replying I will. If I don't feel like it I wont. I think so many people on here like to hear themselves speak and make the same points over and over.
Cory wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Cory, did I say shit to you? No i did not. If you want to waste your time replying to me cool. Go for it. I'm over your little Rose hater club lol"
You're on the internet. Get ov..."
So I read that last thing you said but that's about it. I mean I've heard every point you made and you just keep making them... I hate Rose, she's a bitch, she's a horrible person/character... Have you put a stop to the madness yet??? I don't think the person who originally start this thread actually said that this was the Adrian hater club or that she hated him. Gosh I really hope you get your point across to all these evil "Adrian haters".
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I already did admit that Rose shouldn't have cheated. Obviously you have no idea what point I was trying to make. And actually the point of this discussion board was that Adrian was NAIVE AND BLIND! I think her other point was that he was stupid. What exactly did I twist? The fact that many people hate Rose? I just feel like it's funny when people lash out for no reason. Who ever feels the need to be angry an hostile over a book feel free. But it takes so much more energy to be angry. So I'm going to choose to not be angry.
lol okay keep replying that's fine. If I feel like replying I will. If I don't feel like it I wont. I think so many people on here like to hear themselves speak and make the same points over and over.
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What is your point Kimi? I'd like to know. You haven't made it clear. Obviously, no one knows what point you're trying to make because you haven't stated it. You like Rose and Dimitri? Is that it?
Whatever the case, it is indeed wrong to say that Adrian is naive, blind, and stupid. That is wrong. There's no way around it. Disagreeing only means that you like to blame the victim. I'm sorry, but there's no way around that. You can say that I'm lashing out, but that only makes you look passive aggressive and rather idiotic.
I find it funny when people are blind to their own stupidity and need to be educated by a bunch of teens.
And for the record, I do like to hear myself speak -- when I'm right. It drowns out the sound of the idiotic victim blamers babbling about the size of Dmika's dick.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: So I read that last thing you said but that's about it. I mean I've heard every point you made and you just keep making them... I hate Rose, she's a bitch, she's a horrible person/character... Have you put a stop to the madness yet??? I don't think the person who originally start this thread actually said that this was the Adrian hater club or that she hated him. Gosh I really hope you get your point across to all these evil "Adrian haters".
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Honestly, I have no problem with someone who dislikes Adrian. I don't think you can read. I have a problem with people who blame him for Rose's mistakes. That's it. Rose is a bitch. Rose did make a horrible decision and it's not Adrian's fault. I don't care if you dislike him, but what Rose did to him is not his fault.
If she wanted to fuck Dmika's brains out, she could have dumped him. That's it. I will continue to repeat myself until you leave, or admit that I'm right. I have nothing else to do at the moment, and the stupidity on this board amazes me. I'd leave for another board, but apparently, the English is worse elsewhere. And compared to the grammar I'm seeing here, that's quite astonishing.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Mello wrote: "FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY WANTED ROSE TO STAY WITH ADRIAN! I may have been losing my cool a little here, but Jesus Christ you guys. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. WAS. THAT. ROSE. SHOULD. HAVE. BROK..."You said Rose was wrong for cheating...so how can you still say Adrian was naive for trusting her? That makes even less sense. You say Adrian shouldn't have trusted Rose to be alone with Dimitri because they were in love? Or you say Adrian should have known how in love Rose and Dimitri are? What is your point then, because after you admit Rose is wrong for cheating on Adrian all of your other points become moot.
I'm not angry. I'm horrified and slightly disgusted at the apparent mindstate of the current population.
Why is Adrian naive and blind? Or, just because you say so? I really don't get you people.
Stop being so passive-agressive. If you're going to insult someone, do it instead of half-assedly tiptoeing around the line and then claiming to be the only civil person here (besides, of course, those who agree with you).
If I want to state my points over and over again, I will. And I will. And I will. And so will Cory. And Midnight Kiss. And everyone else who's commented on here that you're referring to. Personally, I'm going to continue doing so until I've made my point that you can't blame Adrian for Rose's mistakes, no matter how you twist it.
Don't like it? Well, then don't read it. Nobody's forcing you to.
Cory wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I already did admit that Rose shouldn't have cheated. Obviously you have no idea what point I was trying to make. And actually the point of this discussion board was that Adrian w..."
I stated my point way too long ago and why would I waste my breath again? There have been many, many people who have understood what my point is. The fact that you can't shows that you haven't listened. Ohhhh again with the name calling. I've heard so much of that from a few of you. That's completely fine.
Wow, so much education. I've learned how to call people names for having different opinions. How did I ever go through life without it?
You guys stop hating. I am sorry if I said something that bothered anyone. I guess we all got carried away, we should be happy that Richelle Mead wrote all those amazing books. Imagine if she shows up and reads this page, I don't think she will like it. I enjoyed reading her books and I think that we should stop this and concentrate on other things. I love Rose, Dimitri and Adrian. As I love Lissa, Christian, Jill, Eddie and as I loved Mason. I love all the characters. It was wrong that Rose cheated, I don't know if I said that before.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "I stated my point way too long ago and why would I waste my breath again? There have been many, many people who have understood what my point is. The fact that you can't shows that you haven't listened. Ohhhh again with the name calling. I've heard so much of that from a few of you. That's completely fine.
Wow, so much education. I've learned how to call people names for having different opinions. How did I ever go through life without it? "
Please, don't waste your breath on me. If I don't understand your point, you're either too lazy to restate yourself, or you never had a point to begin with. I don't listen to idiocy. And I'm glad that you feel like I'm calling you stupid. You must feel stupid. My comments refer to the ideas on this board.
And yes, proper grammar is essential on a site that revolves around books. Sometimes, I can barely understand half of what you guys are saying. If you used proper grammar and understood how to structure an argument, maybe you wouldn't feel so hurt.
But, I'm honestly doubting that you got past sixth grade. I learned the difference between opinion and fact when I was seven. And I've always known that victim blaming, much like rape and murder, is wrong. It's not an opinion, and if you think it is, you're either very naive, or a very shitty person.
Maricela wrote: "Maricela You guys stop hating. I am sorry if I said something that bothered anyone. I guess we all got carried away, we should be happy that Richelle Mead wrote all those amazing books. Imagine if she shows up and reads this page, I don't think she will like it. I enjoyed reading her books and I think that we should stop this and concentrate on other things. I love Rose, Dimitri and Adrian. As I love Lissa, Christian, Jill, Eddie and as I loved Mason. I love all the characters.It was wrong that Rose cheated, I don't know if I said that before.
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I will concede to this. I am a "hater". I've always been a hater. But if you think Richelle Mead is an amazing writer, well, that's alright. I disagree. She's an okay writer. I care not one whit about her feelings. She's a grown woman. Writers have tough skins. I'm sure she's heard worse from agents, beta readers, and editors. But, since you don't know anything about publishing, you wouldn't know that, now would you?
If you want to talk about something else, feel free to do so. I don't care. But don't bring victim blaming into my environment. That's equal to rooting for the rapist, irregardless of the magnitude of the analogy. You never, ever do it.
I'm glad you love the characters. I like some of them. I liked Rose in books 1 - 3. You can like her all you want. But I don't like to see you guys blaming Adrian for what Rose did. It's akin to saying that anyone who gets cheated on should've known better. Do you realize how insensitive you're being?
Mello wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Mello wrote: "FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY WANTED ROSE TO STAY WITH ADRIAN! I may have been losing my cool a little here, but Jesus Christ you guys. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. WAS. THAT. ROSE. S..."The first thing that you just said, those were all the points from the person who started this discussion.
My points
1) In my opinion Adrian liked Rose for the wrong reason initially and I don't feel that he actually had time to get to know her.
2)No one forced Adrian to go after Rose. If she is such a horrible person, I think he could have seen that. I don't feel like she ever through herself at him.
3) Everyone makes bad choices but that doesn't mean that the person is the worst person in the world.
Did I say that someone was forcing me?
Maricela wrote: "You guys stop hating. I am sorry if I said something that bothered anyone. I guess we all got carried away, we should be happy that Richelle Mead wrote all those amazing books. Imagine if she sh..."Stop hating? Really? Actually, I'm not going to lie, I am hating. You're right. I am hating on what Rose did and I am hating on the victim blaming on this board. And everyone who's still siding with Rose has yet to deny that they are victim blaming!
Personally I don't really care if Richelle Mead sees this thread. I hope she does so she knows for sure how terrible what Rose did was.
I just sad I was sorry that my comment bothered anyone. I respect your opinion, I don't think I said it was Adrian's fault, I was just stating that Rose and Dimitri were better for each other. And again I am sorry. You guys are really mean, I hope I don't offend anyone. I just love a happy ending that is all. And I love to read, I always like to tell the authors how much I appreciate their books.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "1) In my opinion Adrian liked Rose for the wrong reason initially and I don't feel that he actually had time to get to know her.
2)No one forced Adrian to go after Rose. If she is such a horrible person, I think he could have seen that. I don't feel like she ever through herself at him.
3) Everyone makes bad choices but that doesn't mean that the person is the worst person in the world.
Did I say that someone was forcing me?
Thank you for repeating this.
In response to 1), I guess it's a matter of opinion, but Dimitri never really had time to get to know Rose before they were epically in love. I don't think it's valid. But it's subjective, so I suppose I'll respect your opinion, even if it does go both ways. Either Adrian and Dimitri love Rose equally, or neither of them love her.
For 2)... why is this relevant? According to you and Maricela, you love who you love. And he never forced her to date him. She said "Yes Adrian, I'll be your GF" or something like that. She made the decision. She could've easily said no because she's supposed to be a strong, independent woman who doesn't need a dick to live.
For 3), everyone does make bad decisions. Not everyone cheats on their significant other and has the nerve to blame them for it. That's shitty and it makes her a bitch. If she apologizes to him in Bloodlines, well, that would make quite a difference. But as it stands, she made a bad decision and didn't want to fess up to it.
That's it. See how pleasant a debate can be when you aren't condescending and/or passive-aggressive?
Maricela wrote: "I just sad I was sorry that my comment bothered anyone. I respect your opinion, I don't think I said it was Adrian's fault, I was just stating that Rose and Dimitri were better for each other. And again I am sorry. You guys are really mean, I hope I don't offend anyone. I just love a happy ending that is all. And I love to read, I always like to tell the authors how much I appreciate their books. "I wouldn't like to think that I'm mean. But I accept your apology. I'm glad you like to read and that you like to express your enthusiasm. Next time, do us the favor of reading the entire thread before you decide to step into a hive of bees. You might find that the environment is too harsh for you to handle.
1) In my opinion Adrian liked Rose for the wrong reason initially and I don't feel that he actually had time to get to know her.So what? Because of this fact, he's somehow partly to blame for what she did?
"Oh, you hardly knew her! Stop being upset that she cheated on you! It was partly your fault for not liking her for the right reasons initially, anyway!"
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Do you have any idea how that sounds?
2)No one forced Adrian to go after Rose. If she is such a horrible person, I think he could have seen that. I don't feel like she ever through herself at him.
Wow. I can't believe you're actually using the "he should have known" argument.
How can you seriously type that shit with a straight face? So what, she didn't throw herself at him (just because they sound alike doesn't mean they're the same word) doesn't mean she wasn't in a relationship with him in the first place. So he should have distrusted and suspected her from the beginning, then? Of course, if he did that then he'd be an insensitive bastard for ever doubting poor wittle Rose.
3) Everyone makes bad choices but that doesn't mean that the person is the worst person in the world.
Yes it does when they consistently justify this behavior and it's shown in a positive light. Rose is never shown in the wrong for her actions, she's never repented for them or even shown a little drop of remorse. That makes her a pretty terrible person.
Did I say that someone was forcing me?
You seem to think it.
I know I just realized that. Next time I will make sure that I read all of it. I am just really passionate, and I wanted to state that they made a great couple. I didn't realized that this was more than that.
Maricela wrote: "I just sad I was sorry that my comment bothered anyone. I respect your opinion, I don't think I said it was Adrian's fault, I was just stating that Rose and Dimitri were better for each other. And ..."It didn't bother me at all. It helped me come to terms with my full hateryness :)
I agree that Rose and Dimitri were better for each other, actually. Now that she's with who she wants to be, she won't trample over and break anyone else's heart. When I posted at first, I wasn't talking to you so much as Kimi. I didn't find your post that offensive.
Maricela wrote: "I know I just realized that. Next time I will make sure that I read all of it. I am just really passionate, and I wanted to state that they made a great couple. I didn't realized that this was more than that."
That's fine. I think they make a great couple too. I like Adrian/Avery and Lissa/Christian more, but if there were ever two characters who were made for each other, it was Rose and Dimitri.
Maricela wrote: "I just sad I was sorry that my comment bothered anyone. I respect your opinion, I don't think I said it was Adrian's fault, I was just stating that Rose and Dimitri were better for each other. And ..."You have nothing to apologize for anything. You didn't have to read the whole entire thread to agree with one thing that I said. Don't feel bad if you did upset anyone. You weren't rude or disrespectful. =)
I've wasted so much of my breath but it bothers me when people can't peacefully disagree. This isn't a debate. It's a discussion. Some of these individuals can't just accept that everyone doesn't share their opinions. I'm fine with others not agreeing with me. But it seems that so many people hear feel the need to prove themselves. There are a lot of opinions out there which is a great thing. This should be fun but so many people have been called stupid and ignorant for not seeing things the way that others do. That's not what this should be about.
And now, since your victim blaming trash has been proved wrong again and again and again...this isn't a debate and everyone but you is acting like a jerk.No, it shouldn't be fun -- glorifying cheating and victim blaming isn't fun, it shouldn't be and I'm not sorry if I rained on this atrocious little parade.
Try again.
And no, I will not peacefully disagree that Adrian is somehow at fault for trusting his girlfriend. I will violently disagree, and then proceed to gnaw your head off like a deranged lion when you continue to claim that he was dumb and naive for doing so.I'm just being honest about these things.
For a clear picture of what I'm talking about, here's the lion.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Mello wrote: "★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Mello wrote: "FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY WANTED ROSE TO STAY WITH ADRIAN! I may have been losing my cool a little here, but Jesus Christ you guys. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. WAS...."Um, but Rose liked Adrian for the right reason? This reason being his...MONEY? You imbecile.
★ Kimi ★ wrote: "Maricela wrote: "I just sad I was sorry that my comment bothered anyone. I respect your opinion, I don't think I said it was Adrian's fault, I was just stating that Rose and Dimitri were better for..."We don't need to prove ourselves. Sometimes it can be hard to accept that some people are so scarily idiotic. Now it's a crime to trust your girlfriend? I mean really what the hell is the world coming to?
Honestly Krista, I have no idea. I'd personally like to believe that it's a healthy thing to trust your girlfriend not to cheat on you. But who knows, maybe that's just me. Maybe other people would rather their boyfriend distrust and be overly protective of them. *sigh*
Oh and Kimi, for your reading pleasure: http://www.debate.nl/index.php/en/deb...Most people are familiar with discussions as they are done everyday, one person trying to convince another person by directly talking to and with that other person. But discussions have their limitations and one of the problems is that they are often won by the person who either speaks the loudest, believes the most in his arguments or just hangs on the longest.
Some still might say: 'So what, I still won', but the thing about this is that you didn’t really convince people, they just quit. Debating is a discussion with rules which aim to lift the discussion to a higher level of argumentation, with the purpose of actually convincing people. As a result, debating has a certain setup no different from any other sport. Surprisingly enough, people find it strange to have rules for discussions but think it is common sense to have field lines, a goal and rules in a soccer match.
The use of rules is to make any game fairer and more fun, and such is the case with debating. The goal of rules is to make the argumentation flourish, to reach a more sophisticated level of analysis and allow both teams to search for the (philosophical) depth of the motion in their cases.
Part of debating is giving speeches, in a standard debate every person is expected to give a 5 or 7 minute speech. This aspect gives debating the unique ability to practice on public speaking skills. We understand how public speaking is still the biggest fear of many people - as much as 40% of people report that their greatest fear is public speaking and only as few as 5% say they don’t have any fear of public speaking -, yet have witnessed many times how weekly practice has nearly every person overcome that fear surprisingly quick.
But I suppose this only proves why you're so quick to make this into a discussion instead of a debate, huh?
Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DebateDiscussion, from what I've seen clicking on these links, is considered the lower form of debating. Is that really what you want?
Amber (loves Dimka and Edward and Shane! + more) wrote: "Adrian is such and idiot! Who sends thier girlfriend away with the guy she still loves completely!!! ADRIAN IS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAIVE AND BLIND!!!!(I do feel slightly bad for him though)
D..."
I love Dimka! But i Have to admit that Adrian is awesome!!! I do believe he left her go for her safety and also he trusted her. But i loved every word he said to her at the end of the book.
Mello wrote: "Honestly Krista, I have no idea. I'd personally like to believe that it's a healthy thing to trust your girlfriend not to cheat on you. But who knows, maybe that's just me. Maybe other people would..."I honestly feel like these types of books are brainwashing the weak-minded. It's dangerous. If girls are growing up thinking Rose is a good role model, then I'm afraid for our future.
LMFAO, I see this fandom is never running short of delusional idiots... 
I don't think any individual who hates Rose will ever stop hating. I mean really, do haters ever stop?
Are you mad that we're hating? Good, because stay mad. We don't give a flying rat's ass. Yes, I'm a hater. Cory is a hater. Mello, Krista, Midnight_Kiss are haters too. But what were you expecting? Me to give a trophy to Rose for cheating/lying/other shit that she did?
This isn't a debate. It's a discussion. Some of these individuals can't just accept that everyone doesn't share their opinions.
Here's a definition for you because you're obviously writing your own dictionary thinking that discussion means everyone has to agree with you and people who don't victim blame are "hatersszz!1111":
dis·cus·sion Noun /disˈkəSHən/
1. The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas: "the specific content of the legislation was under discussion".
2. A conversation or debate about a certain topic
It's so obvious that you aren't fine with other people disagreeing with you because you've resorted to constantly making passive aggressive remarks like a moron, twisting people's words to suit your own opinion etc... in short: being a plain hypocrite becase you are victimizing yourself and villainizing everyone else. Rose obviously had an effect on you.
I don't give a fuck about whether you are an Adrian hater. I don't care if you have a dartboard and have an "I Hate Adrian Ivashkov" club with badges and meet every Thursday for your weekly bashing. What I do give a fuck about however and I will actively disagree is YOU trying to VICTIM BLAME constantly. If you disagree with the fact that victim blaming is just plain wrong, then you're a plain asshole. No, but "it's my opinion", you're insensitive and ignorant which immediately invalidates your right to freedom of speech.
The topic was victim blaming Adrian because he was "naive, blind and stupid" for not knowing he's going to get cheated on which makes me deduct you all into 3 categories:-
a.) Incredibly naive/idiotic
b.) Just plain assholes
c.) All of the above
If you think a discussion with a topic on blaming the victim AND glorifying cheating for the sake of twu wuve~ was going to be "peaceful" and "fun"— you are sadly mistaken. It's a controversial topic to begin with, with the answer: no, victim blamimg is WRONG. I will continue to repeat myself, and so will everyone else because some one needed to call you out on the bullshit that you are spouting.
Stop hating Rose. You guys think that it is okay for Rose to stay with Adrian, when she loves Dimitri. That is why I was happy with Last Sacrifice, because it will be wrong for Rose to end up with Adrian.Actually, I was rooting for Adrian/Avery because I've never liked the idea of Rose/Adrian after reading Spirit Bound. I'd ship Dimitri/Adrian than ship Rose/Adrian. Sorry to rain on your parade.
♔ Leah. wrote: "Actually, I was rooting for Adrian/Avery because I've never liked the idea of Rose/Adrian after reading Spirit Bound. I'd ship Dimitri/Adrian than ship Rose/Adrian. Sorry to rain on your parade. "Screw it. I'm recently converted to Dimitri/Adrian, too. Perhaps it's just the fact that I'd love to see the look on Rose's face when neither of them want her.
(Hmm...which one of them would be seme? *deep thought*)
@Julie: No...
You say that Richelle Mead wrote them that way to "make us feel happy, sad, mad and all the other emotions" and "that's what makes this a good series.
Wow. Okay, I don't really see how you can credit her for that. She obviously didn't write it that way, because she glorified what Rose did and never gave Rose any sort of punishment or even remorse for her actions. If she had done that, I'd agree with you, but as it stands I find it hard to give Richelle Mead credit for her mistakes because she "meant to write it that way".
No writer is a genius. Not even Shakespeare, no matter how much people may say he is. They're all just writers: people put up on a pedestal because other's enjoy their art. They can (and do) make mistakes, and I refuse to credit them for it because "they did it on purpose".
No, it's not the book we're feeling strongly about. Leah, Cory, Midnight, Krista and I are feeling strongly about the victim blaming. If it was any other book, we would do the same. This has nothing to do with Adrian vs Rose. This has to do with the fact that Rose is glorified for her cheating, manipulating and bitchy ways and Adrian is blamed for her mistake just because she's too much of a bitch to take responsibility for her actions.
And like I said, nobody's denied victim blaming yet. Well, boy, that's sure interesting. I suppose because they know some of us have dictionaries handy.
I appreciate your attempts to bring the peace back into balance, but it isn't going to work the way you're trying it to. You need to read the whole thread to understand, and if you do I expect you to fall in with the anti-Victim Blaming group, aka the group I'm in, because you seem to have some basic level of common sense.
Victim blaming is not an opinion.
Learn it.
Mello wrote: "♔ Leah. wrote: "Actually, I was rooting for Adrian/Avery because I've never liked the idea of Rose/Adrian after reading Spirit Bound. I'd ship Dimitri/Adrian than ship Rose/Adrian. Sorry to rain o..."
Mello wrote: ""
Flawless response. I've been trying to convey that but I must not be doing it well. I love how no one has brought up blaming Adrian for being cheated on either lol.
Flawless response. I've been trying to convey that but I must not be doing it well. I love how no one has brought up blaming Adrian for being cheated on either lol.
Wow lots of major opinions. Well to add my small bit, personally i rooted for Adrian. I liked Dimitri and all, i liked him when he was all badass and all, but still I rooted for Adrian. I felt major bad at the end for Adrian, felt he got the raw end of the deal.
Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Mello wrote: ""Flawless response. I've been trying to convey that but I must not be doing it well. I love how no one has brought up blaming Adrian for being cheated on either lol."
Thank you :)
Oh, don't worry, you were doing it just like that. You, like everyone else talking who was sense here, were just ignored. Some people have such selective reading...*sigh*
Mello wrote: "Midnight_Kiss wrote: "Mello wrote: ""
Flawless response. I've been trying to convey that but I must not be doing it well. I love how no one has brought up blaming Adrian for being cheated on eithe..."
They ignore things they cannot justify.
Flawless response. I've been trying to convey that but I must not be doing it well. I love how no one has brought up blaming Adrian for being cheated on eithe..."
They ignore things they cannot justify.
Ah. That explains a lot.
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He really can't. *shakes head sadly*