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What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?
Carmela wrote: "I have to say, I'm not the biggest fan of Twilight, but before I say why, I'll say this: This is a discussion, but I seem to notice that you are not open to realizing why some people do not adore T..."Woah calm down there.
I am a Twilight fan, and I can totally see, and respect the reasons why it isn't for you.
But, practice what you preach. Respect the reasons why we LIKE it also.
1. It's just a harmless romance story. It reminded me what it was like to be 18 and in complete love again - What's wrong with that?
2. I've always loved vampire stories, every one that I've read. From Interview with a Vampire to Chronicles of Vladimir Todd to Twilight. They all have a different twist on a classic tale. - What's wrong with that.
3. And like other fans have said. What's so bad about being a bit obsessed with it? It's no different than being a Harry Potter fan (I am one of thoes too) a Lord of the Rings fan, a Star Wars fan, whatever! There are fanatics out there for everything!
I also understand how a lot of people say that it's badly written. I guess that it is probably true, but it didn't bother me. I read it for entertainment, not perfection. I loved the story. 4. The fact that even supposedly evil creatures can be good - love conqures all - action and adventure - romance - and a happy ending.
What's wrong with that?!?!?!?
I know that many will disagree with me. And that's okay, I respect and understand that. Once again, I'm sorry if this came across as mean, but I like to defend myself. Just because some fans don't understand why some people don't like Twilight, does not mean all of us do. I completely understand, and I love you for it! I don't beat people down for not liking it, I just try to get them to understand why I do. : ) Happy Reading!
Lindis wrote: "Carmela wrote: "I have to say, I'm not the biggest fan of Twilight, but before I say why, I'll say this: This is a discussion, but I seem to notice that you are not open to realizing why some peopl..."i approve of what your saying, it just ticks me off of the worthless commoents they give.
I'm definitely a Twilight fan. I've called myself a fanatic at times. I actually bought a decal for the back window of my car that says "I drive like a Cullen". I actually resisted reading the series for a long time until my best friend INSISTED that I read it. Once I started I couldn't stop. I read all 4 books in under 2 weeks. Before I read the series I would read books haphazardly. Well now I have a book with me at all times. They may not be the best books ever written but they sure pulled me in. I actually remember sitting on my couch crying off and on while reading New Moon. Before I read the series I read nothing but contemporary romance. It opened up my eyes to a whole new genre. And now I LOVE almost anything with paranormal in it; vampires, werewolves, genetically enhanced armed forces with psychic powers, etc..... I also read The Host by Stephenie Meyer. I couldn't put that one down either. I do think the whole team Edward/team Jacob thing is a little over the top but it's all in the fun. I'm a grown adult with 3 children. All of my friends are grown with children of their own and we have all read the books and disagree who Bella should have ended up with. :) Almost every time we talk about any books that we have read Twilight comes up. I read Twilight the book the same day I watched Twilight the movie and I was so MAD because it strayed so far from the book. But as time went on I began to really enjoy the movie and I have watched in more than a few times. My sister and I have "twilight marathons" where we sit and watch all 3 moves that are out so far. I just think that people should do what makes them happy. Watching Twilight over and over again makes me happy. I don't knock what other people do that makes them happy. You only live once. Enjoy it.Side note: I plan to reread the series after Breaking Dawn the movie comes out.
Stephanie wrote: "I'm definitely a Twilight fan. I've called myself a fanatic at times. I actually bought a decal for the back window of my car that says "I drive like a Cullen". I actually resisted reading the s..."oh...You really sound like me!!:)I m really happy to meet people like you in here. I started rereading twilight saga yesterday. as u have said, Twilight saga may not be the best books ever written, but it does some magic over me..frequently..
Stephanie wrote: "I'm definitely a Twilight fan. I've called myself a fanatic at times. I actually bought a decal for the back window of my car that says "I drive like a Cullen". I actually resisted reading the s..."Welcome to the club of Adult Twilight fans!!!!! WE are very different than the teens!
I've read them all at least twice, Breaking Dawn is my fave so I am so excited for the movies! If you don't mind, I'll add you as a friend. I think we'd like the same books. I'm so happy that Twilight has brought you back to reading. Harry Potter did that for me. Now I read up to four books at a time. And I feel naked with out my Kindle with me! : ) Happy Reading!
Caitlin wrote: "As a Twilight fan I think that there is nothing wrong with loving something that you enjoy. For some people its cars, for others its scrapbooking. No one disses the Harry Potter fans (even though H..."How could you call Harry Potter meaningless?
Lindis wrote: "Also, I get tired of hearing, "The movie ruined the book." Did you know? That they didn't expect for Twilight to be a success? They didn't pland on going on with the other books. They had a very lo..."I remember that...I followed the entire production once I heard they were making them movies...and yeah I remember them saying they weren't sure...until the movie blew up overnight and they got the green light for the rest of em ;D
Lindis wrote: "Sun wrote: "Okay, so I read everyone' opinion about Twilight and the haters and the teeny boppers and the existence of the locations in the book.When I first heard of the hype surrounding the T..."
I think that depends. . . if you slow it down to reemphasize... IT DOES NOT MATTER....or in a stunted tone...it could work. :P
I am a completely overboard Twilight fan, after months of dogging to watch the film and point blank refusing I caved and watched it one night and loved it, then went on to read the books in a month, I think the films help me get a visual on the characters because I seen them in my head while reading, its at the point when I watch a film I think did they cut it?? because I can see a scene so clearly in my head I think it was in the film ie Edward hiding the CD and pictures under the floorboards in Bella's room, I thought that was in the film till I realised it was just my mind lol. My hub just rolls his eyes and says "Veggie Vamps??" lol. As for the haterz, let them hate. x
Atarah wrote: "OMG I am a major Twilight fan, Harry Potter fan and Percy Jackson fan at that lol. I love them all and I see nothing wrong with enjoying them. I feel terrible when people bash the books. So what if..."sing it sista!!!!!!!
Teresa wrote: "I am a completely overboard Twilight fan, after months of dogging to watch the film and point blank refusing I caved and watched it one night and loved it, then went on to read the books in a month..."i had the same situation as you..totally agree w the visuals
“Both Rowling and Meyer, they’re speaking directly to young people… The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good.” - Stephen KingNuff said?
Meyer is dead. Long live the King! :>
Nick wrote: "“Both Rowling and Meyer, they’re speaking directly to young people… The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good.” ..."lol
There's nothing wrong with being a fan. Being a "Fanatic" is however--it's over-the-top obsessed. It's good to have something to be interested in, and being a fan of Twilight, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc. is unifying, and no matter where you go in the world you will have someone who feels the same way.Just keep your obsession on the level, and realize that Edward doesn't exist, and he will not ever be your boyfriend.
Love the books!
People are probably just annoyed with all of the hullabaloo and what not and how crazy everyone can get, especially if it's over the movie. To me, I get crazier for the book.
The only sparkle in the entire narrative is that of Edwards face.:>
I loved the series when I first started! But then, like someone else said, I reread it and began to notice flaws. A whiny brat as the heroine, a love interest whose personality is less than a rock's, cliches galore, plus the inevitable YA love triangle. I still like the books but their glorification irks me. There are plenty of other YA books that are sooooo much better than Twilight, but they don't get the credit they deserve. Like the Darkest Powers trilogy, the Morganville Vampires, Bloody Jack, or the Books of Bayern. Then again, this is just my opinion.
Katniss990 wrote: "People are probably just annoyed with all of the hullabaloo and what not and how crazy everyone can get, especially if it's over the movie. To me, I get crazier for the book."Me too:)
Patti wrote: "I loved the series when I first started! But then, like someone else said, I reread it and began to notice flaws. A whiny brat as the heroine, a love interest whose personality is less than a rock'..."You have already said its just your opinion. so I m not complaining, but what you have said about the characters, I cant accept that, because yes, there are people who are just like bella.
Athira wrote: "Patti wrote: "I loved the series when I first started! But then, like someone else said, I reread it and began to notice flaws. A whiny brat as the heroine, a love interest whose personality is les..."Yes, there are plenty of people like Bella. The world is full of idiots.
I am so glad that I am not the only adult who thoroughly enjoyed reading the Twilight saga series!!!!!!!!!!!!I have reread all the books at least twice, with Breaking Dawn and Eclipse being my favorites. New Moon is last on my fav list of the four, since I didnt read the series in the correct order, I read Twilight, Eclipse and the New Moon, so I sort of knew where it was going. And in New Moon, Edward acted like so many other romance heroes in deciding for Bella what is best for her, without consulting her on it. (one of my pet peeves).
I loved the way Stephenie Meyer drew you into the world of vampires, just the way Bella were drawn to Edward.
I dont have to like Bella to appreciate the story,and the writing.
Nick wrote: "Athira wrote: "Patti wrote: "I loved the series when I first started! But then, like someone else said, I reread it and began to notice flaws. A whiny brat as the heroine, a love interest whose per..."oh..sorry she is not an idiot!!! please if you don'y like it, then why did u just came to comment on this twilight discussion? And you can't call people idiot, because every individual is different..so please..
Personally, I feel this book is offensive. People continuously call it "romantic" and "ideal," but the fact of the matter is, the heroine does nothing but complain. Bella has no real character flaws and no real character. Meyer even admits that she wrote a blank character so girls can slip into the role and pretend they're getting romanced by Edward. While that may sound ideal for a lot of readers, it personally does not suit me. I'd rather read about a strong, independent heroine that develops in the book and actually grows by the end of it rather than a blank canvas that constantly pines for sex.One of my main qualms with the book is that it failed to have any real plot. The book primarily focuses on Edward's constant loathing and pushing away of Bella, and Bella's desperation to be with him simply because he is hot. This book is teaching girls to be solely dependent on a man. Bella is desperate and dumb without the boys in her life--even going so far as to ride her motorcycle into a wall or hurl herself off a cliff.
While I respect your opinions and your fanatacism, I can see why many are turned off by the Twilight fanbase. Many fans are rabid, disrespectful, over-the-top or just...crazy. I mean, some people are arguing that Edward is actually REAL. And not in the fantasy sense, but that he's actually somewhere out there. I don't know. I don't think you guys, particularly, are classified under any of these things, but this is just my opinion.
Athira wrote: "Nick wrote: "Athira wrote: "Patti wrote: "I loved the series when I first started! But then, like someone else said, I reread it and began to notice flaws. A whiny brat as the heroine, a love inter..."So the guy who drinks cider at 14 years old outside his local shop isn't an idiot? He's just different? Or the two who don't use protection during sex when underage aren't idiots also? Her dumb curiousity and infatuation leads her to have relationships with supernatural creatures. Fortunately for her character (I use the word VERY loosely in her case) these vampires and shapeshifers (no, they're no Werewolves) have been written for little girls, so she's never under any real danger. However, when Soki in True Blood meets Bill a lot of people start to die. Her actions have real consquence unlike Bella's.
Nick wrote: "So the guy who drinks cider at 14 years old outside his local shop isn't an idiot? He's just different? Or the two who don't use protection during sex when underage aren't idiots also?"That's a very liberal definition of idiot, IMHO. If we use that definition (any reckless or irresponsible act makes you an idiot), then everyone is an idiot, and the word ceases to have any real meaning.
Then again, why do you specify an age to these actions? Is drinking cider (which is alcohol, I gather) in public or having unprotected sex as an adult (without the desire to procreate) non-idiot behavior? Are you saying that only the underaged can be idiots?
And why the snarky comment about Twilight being written for little girls, as if there is something wrong with little girls? If you have such disdain for young adults, why read YA literature at all? All this vitriol and bile can't be good for a person's health.
Just because it is written for YA doesn't mean the author can't give the story/characters depth.I used young people as an example since the central character is of that age. Television is flooded with shows that display all ages being idiots.
I see nothing wrong with liking twilight, I think it got a lot of people who weren't before and that's ALWAYS a good thing. I've read them all and personally I don't like them. The grammar is awful and her writing style just makes me cringe. I hate how Bella is this poor weak whiney girl who turns into nothing when her precious Edward isn't around, a really bad role model for girls, as if you're nothing without a man. And the last book was just way too predictable, I guessed the entire plot and ending before I'd finished the first few paragraphs.
But that's just my opinion and we're all allowed our own so I say if you enjoy twilight go for it, just not my cup of tea.
Michelle wrote: "I see nothing wrong with liking twilight, I think it got a lot of people who weren't before and that's ALWAYS a good thing. I've read them all and personally I don't like them. The grammar is awf..."
I like you comment anyway, you just said your opinion, nothing more, but if you just hate twilight in anyway why you just came up into this discussion? just read the title of this discussion, please, and this is for everyone who just thinks twilight is bad, in any ways:)and please leave..
Athira wrote: "Michelle wrote: "I see nothing wrong with liking twilight, I think it got a lot of people who weren't before and that's ALWAYS a good thing. I've read them all and personally I don't like them. T..."
The topics title is 'What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?'
Surely if someone wants that question answered they'll need views from the other side of the coin. You know that thing about idiots? This is a perfect example.
Trollworth wrote: "Just because it is written for YA doesn't mean the author can't give the story/characters depth."Preach, brotha! There are plenty of YA books with characters who are actually fleshed out and realistic (with actual flaws!), which is why reading about Bella, whose only real actual flaw/characteristic is being clumsy, is just cringe-worthy.
I don't think Trollworth was implying that he feels any disdain towards YA readers, but is simply saying that these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle).
Lol'd at your trollin' btw, Trollworth.
Trollworth wrote: "You know that thing about idiots? This is a perfect example. "@Trollworth, are you calling Athira an idiot?
There's nothing wrong with liking Twilight. Personally, I don't like the series I think it's way overrated. I don't know about anyone else, but I just don't like when people go overboard with Twilight.Nothing wrong with liking Harry Potter either. Love that series. :)
Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these are accurate statements.
The majority of vampires in the Twilight world live off of human victims and do so very casually. The Cullen family (and a handful of others)restrain themselves from following their natural urges, but there is always a very real possibility of being overcome with bloodlust. There were several instances of Bella being in danger from even the friendly vampires.
Those that do not restrict their diets definately harm people on a regular basis.
The sparkling instead of burning actually makes them more dangerous as an enemy, not less so. It takes away one of the most used avenues for killing vampires and does so in a way that explains how the misunderstanding (the idea that vampires die by burning in sunlight) came about. Instead of being destroyed by sunlight, Meyer's vampires are illuminated by it. Almost like Biblical angels (the muscular, beautiful, smiting ones) in paintings. I think it's a great idea. Very creative and outside the box.
There will be some people who dislike twilight just like there are some people to dislike everything. I personally enjoyed reading books 1 and 3. I didn't entirely enjoy the other two. Yes, the books have flaws. Yes, Stephenie Myer was a little bit reduntant when it came to adjectives, but I still enjoyed reading the books. I prefer the classics - books that seriously make you think, but I like to take a break from the classics every once in awhile and read what I like to call 'easy reads'. I don't set my standards very high for 'easy reads' because I just breeze right through them and they end up back on the shelf collecting dust. Very rarely do I truly enjoy 'easy reads', but sometimes there's a really good one. Twilight wasn't one of them. I found almost instantly that I disliked the main character a lot. I even disliked Edward a lot. My favorite character's were side characters... ha... sorry that I went and rambled on that a tad... :)
Mickey wrote: "Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these are accurate stat..."
LOL. Let's be real here. The main vampire characters in this book are neutered. They may have the capability of hunting humans, but they're so "internally tortured about not knowing where they're going in their afterlife," that they'd rather eat woodland creatures than people, who are their actual designated prey. The primary focus of the main vampire characters is to look hot, fit in, and stalk and be overbearing to their lovers. A young girl's dream.
I'll concede that the sparkling is ENTIRELY original and outside of the box, but the huge issue with making them "sparkle" in the sun instead of dying, is that Meyer essentially makes them invulnerable and near infallible. Yes, they can get ripped to shreds by other vampires, but is that really their only weakness? No one likes reading about characters that have no flaws, which is why reading about Bella's perfect little life where she's uber popular at school and gets hounded by all these hot guys is painful to read.
I totally understand and really agree with every bit of that Torie!I know that the reason I rated them as high as I did was more because of the 'why' that I read them when I did. My daughter (19 now but she's been a damn teenager since she was 5...bleck!) who absolutely refuses to read (I know how the hell did I have a kid that won't read....) was having a pretty ruff time right around when book 4 came out...in and out of trouble, in and out of counseling...you name it! For some reason she decided that she wanted to read these damn books so I went and got them all for her and then read them with her. Some of the only times that we actually were able act like we liked each other back then was reading and giggling about these books! And hey, I'm a vampire junky so why the hell not!
These did get me more into reading UF which is pretty much all I read now...and the times with her were great so all I remember is that I loved them.
Now I don't want to back and read them again! I'm a goofy-assed, dumb blonde, but not completely deranged!
We've also been to every stinkin movie and will go to these 2 last movies when they come out.
Mickey wrote: "Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these are accurate stat..."
Thanks Mickey for trying to defend Twilight. But one thing I've learned from this feed is that the people that don't like Twilight are just as passionate as thoes of us that do. I love Twilight!
I guess what I hate the most is that how some people say, or imply that whoever reads Twilight is a lesser, uneducated, naieve, or ignorant person. It's just simply not true. Their are so many intellegent, high level reading people out there that totally love Twilight. And most of them will agree that Twilight is not the best written book in the world, and that yes, the sparkling is a bit corney. But !!What is so wrong with loving it!!!??? ~ Nothing!
I love the story. The fact that not EVERY "monster" is evil. Or, that something that can start out as evil can change his ways. It's a teenage love story and that's what I love about it. In this media, technology driven world, it doesn't matter what people are reading, as long as they are reading!
I'm a Twilight Fanatic! And proud of it!
Oh, P.S. I do believe that Louie, in Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire, was a "tourtured soul that lived off animals" for a while. : ) even worse, rats. I'd rather suck on a deer than a rat any day!!!
Mickey wrote: "Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these are accurate stat..."
Perfect comment:)
Athira wrote: "Michelle wrote: "I see nothing wrong with liking twilight, I think it got a lot of people who weren't before and that's ALWAYS a good thing. I've read them all and personally I don't like them. T..."
Why? I read all the books, the discussion showed up on my page, I found it interesting, I read a good portion of it and thought I'd put in my two cents. I never put down those who read or like the books.
I find it amusing that the Twihards ask these kinds of questions and then when they get any answers they don't like they expect everyone with an opinion unlike their own to leave. So there, THAT is what I think it wrong with Twihards, you're not willing to see both sides of the coin.
Torie wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these are ..."
AMEN! Your bring up some good points. Meyer did a really good job of ruining everything a vampire has been in the past. I much rather have my monster with flaws, otherwise they're just boring and sparkly, which is just a joke!
Lindis wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Torie wrote: "...these "monsters" are written with a less mature audience in mind (They don't hurt anyone and instead of burning in the sun, they sparkle)."I don't think these ar..."
I agree with you, there are plenty of intelligent and successful adults who like Twilight, people sometimes take their dislike for the series too far when they assume everyone who likes it must be teens or brain dead idiots.
Athira wrote: "I like you comment anyway, you just said your opinion, nothing more, but if you just hate twilight in anyway why you just came up into this discussion? just read the title of this discussion, please, and this is for everyone who just thinks twilight is bad, in any ways:)and please leave....."Not to be a wise ass (hah! who am I trying to kid here?), but reading the title:
"What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?"
Hum, whom do you want to tell you what's so bad about it, other twiheads? I don't think you'd have much to discuss then.
Gerd wrote: "Athira wrote: "I like you comment anyway, you just said your opinion, nothing more, but if you just hate twilight in anyway why you just came up into this discussion? just read the title of this di..."I m a TWIHARD!!
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Every so often I pop back into this discussion just to see where everyone's at. For the most part, I'm happy that it's been civil if passionate on both sides and that's a good thing. It shows that most readers are thinking critically about why they loved/hated the series.
For all I care you could twihard with a vengeance. :D
Lindis wrote: "In this media, technology driven world, it doesn't matter what people are reading, as long as they are reading!"I totally agree with you on this point! And I never said anything was wrong with you loving the series--I think that's fine! It's just some of the girls from your fanbase give the rest of you guys a bad name. I appreciate that you take in what people say respectfully, and aren't one of those twitards who are quick to say, "Why are you stating your opinion? It's not like anyone wants to hear it! Twilight forever! Stop being so mean," and instead let people engage in this discussion. COUGH COUGH.
Dc13 said: "Now I don't want to back and read them again! I'm a goofy-assed, dumb blonde, but not completely deranged! We've also been to every stinkin movie and will go to these 2 last movies when they come out."
Ha! You're hilarious. I actually watched the first movie and it was so boring! My friend told me it was hilarious because Edward's sparkling looked like sweat and there was a fat deer running around, so I thought it'd be a hoot to go. Long story short, it wasn't. :(
U fall in love with Jacob then go insane and ur head explodes.
Torie is the wisest person in this discussion.As for sparkling being original, fair enough. For being a good idea? Its like saying "Hey lets make Batman wear pink instead of black."
Trollworth wrote: "Torie is the wisest person in this discussion.As for sparkling being original, fair enough. For being a good idea? Its like saying "Hey lets make Batman wear pink instead of black.""
Be still my beating heart! I love being praised. Hoo hoo!
And agreed on your second point--just because it's an original idea, doesn't make it a good one.
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