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I know this is not exactly an early American literature book but for some reason I feel an urge to read something by Mark Twain like The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn or really anything written by Mark Twain. If this doesn’t meet group guidelines let me know and I’ll go through my massive TBR list and see what else I might be able to suggest. Just to give everyone plenty of time to think about it and maybe come up with a better choice. Miss you all.
Doreen, we're considering World War I to be the cut-off point for "early" American literature, so Twain (d. 1910) definitely qualifies! In fact, in 2020, we did group reads of two of his books, Eve's Diary and The Prince and the Pauper.
I've been tentatively thinking that we might do a group read in June. How would the rest of you feel about that idea?
I've been tentatively thinking that we might do a group read in June. How would the rest of you feel about that idea?
Since nobody's objected to the idea, then, I'd say let's plan on doing a (voluntary) common read in June! Since that's the time frame, it's not too early to begin brainstorming about what to read. (I'll plan to put a poll up around the beginning of May.)
Since our group's chronological focus runs up to World War I, Willa Cather's novel O Pioneers! (1913) falls just inside of it. I've read only a small amount of Cather's work, but have always wanted to read more; and I've considered this particular novel a must-read ever since I watched the wonderful Hallmark Hall of Fame adaptation starring Jessica Lange (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105038/ ). So I'll nominate that one for our consideration!
Since our group's chronological focus runs up to World War I, Willa Cather's novel O Pioneers! (1913) falls just inside of it. I've read only a small amount of Cather's work, but have always wanted to read more; and I've considered this particular novel a must-read ever since I watched the wonderful Hallmark Hall of Fame adaptation starring Jessica Lange (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105038/ ). So I'll nominate that one for our consideration!

Jeffrey wrote: "I'd like to nominate Washington Irving's The Sketch Book which contain "Rip van Winkle" and "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow""
Okay, we'll definitely put that one in the poll! I've read The Complete Tales of Washington Irving; but it's been over 30 years since I did, and I could use a refresher on many of the stories. So if The Sketch Book is the group's choice, I'll join in the read.
Okay, we'll definitely put that one in the poll! I've read The Complete Tales of Washington Irving; but it's been over 30 years since I did, and I could use a refresher on many of the stories. So if The Sketch Book is the group's choice, I'll join in the read.
Since my previous post, I've done some thinking about my reading schedule. O Pioneers! is in the poll for a May group read in another group I belong to. It's not currently leading; but even so, I think I can work in a read of it in May, and still do some other reads I'd planned. So I'm going to withdraw my suggestion of it for this read, and get behind Jeffrey's nomination of The Sketch Book instead. :-) (Unless anyone else really wants to read the Cather book --but in that case, maybe we could do it as a May buddy read?)
Doreen, are you still interested in nominating something by Mark Twain? I've read several of his novels (Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer, The Prince and the Pauper, and --though I didn't like it, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court), as well as The Complete Essays of Mark Twain; so I could contribute to a discussion of any of those if they're picked. And although his Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc isn't on my to-read shelf, I'd be willing to read it with the group.
In my post above, I floated the idea of doing a May buddy read (of O Pioneeers!), if anyone wanted to. However, that won't work out after all; I've unexpectedly gotten a review copy of a new historical novel that I need (and want) to prioritize as much as possible, so that will take up much of May.
In my post above, I floated the idea of doing a May buddy read (of O Pioneeers!), if anyone wanted to. However, that won't work out after all; I've unexpectedly gotten a review copy of a new historical novel that I need (and want) to prioritize as much as possible, so that will take up much of May.
Hmmm! I'm sensing a certain lack of interest from the group in the idea of this read. Is anyone besides Jeffrey and I considering taking part in this? If not, I'd say it would be fine to cancel the read for now, rather than go through the motions with just one or two participants. Life happens, and it's totally understandable, in a group which doesn't have many active members to start with, that at any given time most people's attention may be taken up with other things. It's perfectly okay to put the read on the back burner for a while, and bring it up again when people are able to get involved more actively.
Werner actually I would love to read anything by Mark Twain. O’ Pioneers also sounds great to me too. Count me in for a group read. I’ve never done a buddy read but I’m willing to try that too if you think that might work better.
Doreen wrote: "Werner actually I would love to read anything by Mark Twain. O’ Pioneers also sounds great to me too. Count me in for a group read. I’ve never done a buddy read but I’m willing to try that too if y..."
In that case, Doreen, I think the idea of a group read might still be viable after all! I'll reinstate my suggestion of O Pioneers, since you're game to read that one --unless you can narrow your Mark Twain interest down to one nomination?
In that case, Doreen, I think the idea of a group read might still be viable after all! I'll reinstate my suggestion of O Pioneers, since you're game to read that one --unless you can narrow your Mark Twain interest down to one nomination?
Okay, we'll put these two books (The Sketch Book and A Tramp Abroad) into the poll. Since I'm not the only person interested in O Pioneers!, we won't forget that one either --maybe we'll keep it in mind as a suggestion for next year. :-)
The poll is now up, at this link: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/2... . It will run through Sunday, May 15, and I'll plan to announce the winner early on May 16, so that anyone who wants to take part will have time to secure a copy.
Since Doreen accesses Goodreads on a cell phone that won't let her vote on polls, I cast my vote for her suggestion! :-)
Since Doreen accesses Goodreads on a cell phone that won't let her vote on polls, I cast my vote for her suggestion! :-)
I think we should do O’ Pioneers next or when it’s convenient for those interested in a group read. I must confess I do love books by Willa Catha so any would be fine by me.
Katherine wrote: "So, O Pioneers! is no longer being included in the poll?"
Since we had two other nominations, and I didn't want to scatter the votes too widely (group participation has been rather scanty lately, so I was afraid the poll might only have three votes cast, all for different books! :-) ), I withdrew my suggestion of O Pioneers!. But I still consider it a must-read; and I'd love to read it with this group! At present, we do a common read (at least) once a year, in June; so I definitely plan to nominate it next year.
Since we had two other nominations, and I didn't want to scatter the votes too widely (group participation has been rather scanty lately, so I was afraid the poll might only have three votes cast, all for different books! :-) ), I withdrew my suggestion of O Pioneers!. But I still consider it a must-read; and I'd love to read it with this group! At present, we do a common read (at least) once a year, in June; so I definitely plan to nominate it next year.
Of course, as Doreen noted (message 11), it's also possible to arrange for buddy reads; that thread is here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... . The difference is that those are just set up informally by two or more members; they don't have to be voted on by the group and aren't featured on the home page, but they can still have a discussion thread. I'd be open to a buddy read of O Pioneers! sometime if others want to do one; but what with all the group and other common reads I'm already committed to in other groups, plus other reading plans and commitments, I won't have a free month until January 2023.
Just now, I discovered that this group already did a group read (in which I did not take part) of The Sketch Book back in October of 2020; that discussion thread is here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... . This wasn't immediately apparent, because the edition to which Joanna linked the read in her first post used a different title, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Stories.
I apologize to the group for failing to catch this earlier, before the current poll was set up and people were voting on it! Given that it's now come to light, though, I'm inclined to think that we probably don't want to do a repeat group read of a book we read about a year and a half ago. Under the circumstances, is there a consensus that we should declare A Tramp Abroad (which is already leading by a wide margin) as the poll winner by default?
I apologize to the group for failing to catch this earlier, before the current poll was set up and people were voting on it! Given that it's now come to light, though, I'm inclined to think that we probably don't want to do a repeat group read of a book we read about a year and a half ago. Under the circumstances, is there a consensus that we should declare A Tramp Abroad (which is already leading by a wide margin) as the poll winner by default?
Well, the question in my previous comment didn't generate any response; but the end of the poll has rendered it moot. A Tramp Abroad has won, with eight votes to just two for The Sketch Book; so it will be our group read next month! I'll plan to get a discussion thread up by June 1.

Sorry, I would have answered but I'm new here and not very active in general, So I was trying to leave it to the longer term members to decide.
A Tramp Abroad works for me. that's what I voted for anyway :)
No need to apologize, Katherine! Things worked out perfectly fine in the end, as most things usually do. :-)
Don't hesitate to comment any time you feel like it, even if you are relatively new! We like to have everybody make themselves right at home here.
Don't hesitate to comment any time you feel like it, even if you are relatively new! We like to have everybody make themselves right at home here.
Since our next group read won't take place until June, we're not likely to have much discussion on this thread until next spring, which is fine. But I did want to share some thoughts off the top of my head, just to give them a chance to percolate in the coming months. :-)
In message 17, Doreen suggested that we do O Pioneers! as our next read. I was able to read it last summer, and it got five stars from me. Although I wouldn't read it again so soon, I could definitely contribute to a discussion of it if it's the book chosen; and I still think it would make an excellent choice. We can definitely put it in the poll --which I usually try to post around the beginning of May-- if there's still interest in it then.
Another possibility (and given that we do a group read every year, these don't have to be just possibilities for 2023; they can be titles to consider for future years as well) might be Behind a Mask: The Unknown Thrillers of Louisa May Alcott. The complete, 780-page collection of her work in this vein, Louisa May Alcott Unmasked: Collected Thrillers is on my to-read shelf; but I read the short sampler back in 1989, and want to reread it before tackling the huge chunkster. It would be great to share that (re)read with this group!
In message 17, Doreen suggested that we do O Pioneers! as our next read. I was able to read it last summer, and it got five stars from me. Although I wouldn't read it again so soon, I could definitely contribute to a discussion of it if it's the book chosen; and I still think it would make an excellent choice. We can definitely put it in the poll --which I usually try to post around the beginning of May-- if there's still interest in it then.
Another possibility (and given that we do a group read every year, these don't have to be just possibilities for 2023; they can be titles to consider for future years as well) might be Behind a Mask: The Unknown Thrillers of Louisa May Alcott. The complete, 780-page collection of her work in this vein, Louisa May Alcott Unmasked: Collected Thrillers is on my to-read shelf; but I read the short sampler back in 1989, and want to reread it before tackling the huge chunkster. It would be great to share that (re)read with this group!
I would be interested in a Louisa May Alcott read Werner. I’m open to whatever one people would like.
Thanks, Doreen! We might put both books in the next poll (along with other suggestions, if there are any), and see what happens. (Another Alcott title that's on my to-read shelf is Jo's Boys; but that one wouldn't be as good a choice for a group read, because it's a sequel to Little Men and, based on what I know about it from secondary sources, would lose a lot if readers hadn't read the earlier book.)

David, glad to have you here; welcome! We don't actually have another group read planned until June of 2023, but it will be great having you reading with us when the time comes! (I loved the Leatherstocking Tales.)
My reading of nonfiction about literature has been scanty, so I've never read any book-length biographies of authors --which is a pity, because I know there are many good ones out there. You might be interested in checking out (and maybe commenting on!) this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... .
My reading of nonfiction about literature has been scanty, so I've never read any book-length biographies of authors --which is a pity, because I know there are many good ones out there. You might be interested in checking out (and maybe commenting on!) this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... .
As we look ahead to our annual group read in June, it's not too early to begin seriously brainstorming about what book to read! I'd like to plan on posting the poll around the beginning of May.
After the read last year, a couple of ideas that were kicked around for inclusion in this year's poll were O Pioneers! by Willa Cather and Behind a Mask: The Unknown Thrillers of Louisa May Alcott. Is everybody still game to see those included as choices? As I said earlier, I'd be happy with either one. (I've read both; but I want to reread the Alcott book, and I could contribute to a discussion of the Cather book, which got five stars from me last year.)
After the read last year, a couple of ideas that were kicked around for inclusion in this year's poll were O Pioneers! by Willa Cather and Behind a Mask: The Unknown Thrillers of Louisa May Alcott. Is everybody still game to see those included as choices? As I said earlier, I'd be happy with either one. (I've read both; but I want to reread the Alcott book, and I could contribute to a discussion of the Cather book, which got five stars from me last year.)
The poll is now up and open for voting, at our Polls link, here: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/1... . If you think you might want to join in this read, please cast your vote for the book you'd like best for us to choose! --Werner
O Pioneers has won our poll (with five votes, to three for the Alcott book), so it will be the book for our annual group read this year! I'll plan to get a thread for the book up in this folder no later than June 1, and the read/discussion will officially begin on that day.
On my author profile, Jackie Mink asked me the following question: "How do we read O, Pioneer on June 1st? Is it a ZOOM meeting or a discussion or what?" In case others have the same question, I'm cross-posting my answer here.
No, group reads aren't Zoom discussions; and you don't have to read the whole book on June 1. The read/discussion just officially starts on that day, although group members who join in can start later. The idea is just that sometime during the month of June, everyone who wants to reads O Pioneers, at his/her own speed. On June 1, I'll start a discussion thread, where those who are reading it (or who've read it before) can share their thoughts, questions, background information they found interesting, and impressions, etc. as they go along. When they finish, those who want to can link to their review, if they write one. That's really all there is to it! (Some groups go for more structure, but we don't.) Hope this helps!
No, group reads aren't Zoom discussions; and you don't have to read the whole book on June 1. The read/discussion just officially starts on that day, although group members who join in can start later. The idea is just that sometime during the month of June, everyone who wants to reads O Pioneers, at his/her own speed. On June 1, I'll start a discussion thread, where those who are reading it (or who've read it before) can share their thoughts, questions, background information they found interesting, and impressions, etc. as they go along. When they finish, those who want to can link to their review, if they write one. That's really all there is to it! (Some groups go for more structure, but we don't.) Hope this helps!
I've been meaning to pose a question to the group for a while now, and this seems an opportune time to do so! As most of the original members will recall, when this group started back in 2020, there was a group read every month. These saw a fair amount of participation; but that slacked off rapidly after our founding moderator left Goodreads for a time, and many of the most active members had to drop out or greatly reduce their involvement because of health issues or other reasons.
More recently, from 2021-23, we've tried to go with an annual read instead. But even there, the level of participation has been scanty. So my question is, do we want to give the annual group reads a rest (starting next year), at least for a time? We would continue to have the option of doing buddy reads on an ad hoc basis if enough people wanted to (the thread for suggesting those is here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... .) Would anyone miss the annual reads if we didn't do them?
More recently, from 2021-23, we've tried to go with an annual read instead. But even there, the level of participation has been scanty. So my question is, do we want to give the annual group reads a rest (starting next year), at least for a time? We would continue to have the option of doing buddy reads on an ad hoc basis if enough people wanted to (the thread for suggesting those is here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... .) Would anyone miss the annual reads if we didn't do them?
Well, I posed the question, "Would anyone miss the annual reads if we didn't do them?" over three months ago, and no one's replied to it yet. I think it would be fair to take this silence as essentially an answer in itself. So, we'll give the group reads a rest, unless and until anyone in the group suggests reviving them.
By way of update, I recently broached the idea, on the "Group announcements" thread and by personal message broadcast to the whole group, of reviving the annual group read next June. So far, two people have responded favorably, by personal message.

Thanks, Silvia, that's good to know! (Older-style diction actually isn't as difficult to read and understand as many people assume that it is.)

Depends on what we read, it could push me to read something. (full disclosure- I work at the House of the Seven Gables and we're doing a podcast RAL for the 175th anniversary next year)
Pamela, the House of the Seven Gables must be a really cool place to work! What does RAL stand for? (I'm terrible at deciphering abbreviations and acronyms!)
Back in 2022, in messages 27-33 above, Doreen and I listed a number of early American literature books from our own to-read shelves, as a sort of grab-bag of ideas for possible group reads. The basic idea was worthwhile, but I've figured out since then that the execution left something to be desired. Burying such a list in three-year-old posts on a thread makes them hard to refer to (and update), especially given Goodreads' poor performance on notifying group members about comments in the first place. :-(
Some of my other groups use the group's to-read shelf for this purpose. In most groups, that shelf only serves to indicate a book actually picked for an upcoming read, and triggers a Goodreads notification to group members when the read is about to start; but it only does that if a starting and ending date for the read is actually set. Otherwise, the books are simply potential reads. (Of course, in some cases other members who've already read a particular book might choose to move it to the "read" shelf; but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. :-) )
Accordingly, over (probably) the next few weeks, I'll plan to move the books listed above in those messages to our group to-read shelf (and will delete those messages when the process is complete, to avoid redundancy). We don't have to pick group reads (in the event that we decide to do them again) from that shelf; but it will give group members a list of possibilities, all of which have a least one person who's interested in reading them. (I might also add appropriate titles from my "maybe" shelf.) Also, feel free to add to-read titles of your own to that group shelf! (In some groups, only mods can add books to the shelf, but we've never had that rule.)
Some of my other groups use the group's to-read shelf for this purpose. In most groups, that shelf only serves to indicate a book actually picked for an upcoming read, and triggers a Goodreads notification to group members when the read is about to start; but it only does that if a starting and ending date for the read is actually set. Otherwise, the books are simply potential reads. (Of course, in some cases other members who've already read a particular book might choose to move it to the "read" shelf; but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. :-) )
Accordingly, over (probably) the next few weeks, I'll plan to move the books listed above in those messages to our group to-read shelf (and will delete those messages when the process is complete, to avoid redundancy). We don't have to pick group reads (in the event that we decide to do them again) from that shelf; but it will give group members a list of possibilities, all of which have a least one person who's interested in reading them. (I might also add appropriate titles from my "maybe" shelf.) Also, feel free to add to-read titles of your own to that group shelf! (In some groups, only mods can add books to the shelf, but we've never had that rule.)

Thanks, Rebecca, that's helpful to know! So far, we have four people who are definitely interested (actually five, because I'm interested as well!) and one maybe depending on what's picked to read. (That's also a very reasonable position --participation in any of these reads would be strictly voluntary!) So it looks like a consensus in favor of the idea is developing.

Thanks for that feedback, Katherine. (You don't have to actively post much; just knowing that you're joining in the read and following the discussion is a worthwhile contribution in itself!)

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Pamela and I have discussed (and like), the idea of doing an annual read. If the group wants to go that route, the ideal time for me to take part would probably be in May or June. From July through December each year, I have common reads I'm pretty much committed to in other groups, and another one each April. (And then too, I've started taking part in a long read each year in the early months, in yet another group.) But we want the idea to work for everybody, so my schedule isn't the only factor to be considered!
For those newly joining the group who aren't familiar with the idea of group reads, the idea is just that sometime during the designated month of June, everyone who wants to reads the chosen book, at his/her own speed. On the first of the month, I'll start a discussion thread, where those who are reading it (or who've read it before) can share their thoughts, questions, background information they found interesting, and impressions, etc. as they go along. When they finish, those who want to can link to their review, if they write one. That's really all there is to it! (Some groups go for more structure, but we don't.) Hope this helps!