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Footnotes > OT CORNAVIRUS from my dad, MD, who doesn't worry a lot about every virus

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message 201: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Joi wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "That's funny. It took me a few seconds to figure out what groomzilla means. Is he upset about covid related issues, or was he always this way?."

He's always that way-even at their s..."


I love to see how people and companies are finding ways to help one another.

This guy reminds me of a character in a book. Maybe the delay will help her to realize that there are nice guys out there (my little brother for one). In the book, the girl changed her mind, and the wedding planner ends up running for office against him. But she has a Monica Lewinsky type secret. Darn, what is that book? I never did finish it.


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Cheryl Coppens | 599 comments Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers. Schools are closed as are all restaurants except for take out. Most people are staying home and following social distancing. So far so good. So why are GROUPS of high school students out riding buses and using them for gathering places?!! Seriously where are their parents and why are they not controlling their children? Thank goodness 2 more days of work and then hubby will use vacation and personal days to stay home and be safe. Rant over.


message 203: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 21, 2020 05:45PM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers. Schools are cl..."


Because their brains haven’t fully developed, they think they are indestructible, their social lives are everything to them, and they can’t anticipate the consequences of their actions. (Or Because they’re dumb and selfish?)

Does he have the authority to kick them off if they aren’t actually going anywhere.?


message 204: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 21, 2020 06:10PM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Latest news from China researchers... digestive symptoms were also early symptoms of covid patients.

Also.. liquor stores are deemed essential and don’t need to close. Hair salons however are all closed in my area.


message 205: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Coppens | 599 comments NancyJ wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers...."


Nancy, unfortunately at this point he can't. I imagine once other drivers start complaining they will develope some kind of policy.


message 206: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 21, 2020 06:14PM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Cheryl wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at..."


Yeah, and it wouldn’t be wise to physically get close to them either.

Someone should tell them... Be a hero! For the first time in history you can save lives by staying home and watching TV or playing games.


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Jgrace | 3945 comments Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers. Schools are cl..."


I think this is not the only problem we will see with all the schools shuttered. There are still people who must go to work. I already see children in my near neighborhood who are probably home unsupervised. There are very likely young siblings who are at home being 'watched' by some of those teenagers who are out riding buses.

I was talking with a friend who is a special day class teacher.
The problem becomes even more severe when the child has special needs.

I'm feeling a bit guilty because my retired life is not much different than it was before. I'm home with my dog and my books. We go on walks and I read a lot. I'm missing out on a few lunches with friends and my hair is white at the roots. Not what I'd call suffering. Not even much of an inconvenience.


message 208: by Jen (new)

Jen (jentrewren) | 1114 comments Jgrace wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers...."


These are exactly the reasons they have closed our borders (for the state) rather than shut the schools. The only cases here have been due to people coming from interstate or overseas and there has been no known case of transmission within the NT hence, close the borders and 2 weeks of quarantine before you are allowed in. If schools shut parents can't work and those parents keep the economy going (especially since our tourist season is now shot) so we need them at work.
Schools have cancelled assemblies and many are staggering lunch hours etc to reduce numbers of kids in lines etc. The parents still work and unless a school has a confirmed case it keeps going. If there is a confirmed case the situation will be re-evaluated. If the kid/staff member has been relatively isolated with the school only those with direct contact will be quarantined and the school will be shut for a few days and have a deep clean. If the infected was a social monster the whole school will shut for 2 weeks.
South Australia has sent their seniors home as they don't need babysitting so parents can still work, lessons are online at normal class time. The hope is they don't get sick in their crucial years.
Lots of people trying to come up with sensible alternatives to a complete shut down and hoarding bog roll.


message 209: by Theresa (last edited Mar 21, 2020 10:31PM) (new)

Theresa | 15561 comments Jgrace wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers...."


Perhaps this is your chance to give up dying your hair...as the awful part will be past by the time you can get a cut.

I started going grey as a teen, was salt and pepper in college and have been white haired for decades. There is still dark in there. Never aged me. It was all genetics...from the Irish maternal side.


message 210: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 21, 2020 11:02PM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Theresa wrote: "Jgrace wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at..."


Hair...

My husband has similar Irish genes. He had a little gray in college, and a lot more by the time he was 30. He stopped shaving and he already has a thick white beard (Santa!). Without a barber, he’ll look like a mountain man by the time he goes back to work.

I was already long overdue for a cut and color (I work at home as a caregiver). I’m living in sweats and t-shirts, fuzzy socks, no bra, no makeup. We’re such a glamorous couple!


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LibraryCin | 11697 comments Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers. Schools are cl..."


Our public transit, as of Friday, has requested that people board at the back door, to minimize the closer "contact" with the driver at the front. If people are using single tickets, they are asked to tear it up (honour system) after.


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NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Jen wrote: "Closed borders....."

Jen, remind us, where do you live?

My husband grew up on an Island, and they’re trying to keep the summer people from spending their isolation period on the island. Many of them live in NYC or Westchester County, where there are a lot of covid cases. There is no bridge, few medical resources and too many opportunities to infect others.


message 213: by Jen (new)

Jen (jentrewren) | 1114 comments NancyJ wrote: "Jen wrote: "Closed borders....."

Jen, remind us, where do you live?

My husband grew up on an Island, and they’re trying to keep the summer people from spending their isolation period on the isla..."


Northern Territory Australia. Over a million square km to close..... it will be interesting but at least they are trying.


message 214: by Jen (new)

Jen (jentrewren) | 1114 comments LibraryCin wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers...."


Great Idea on the use of the back door for buses that have them.


message 215: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12932 comments OK, we agree with so many things! For one my husband and I keep asking where are the parents of all these kids getting together? We see it in our town and we’re like so furious! We are working so hard to flatten the curve and don’t understand why these parents cannot say no to their kids. I think the girls are the worst offenders. Like they’ll die if they spend time with their families and don’t get together for a couple of weeks! But the kids on the beach is it in the bars, we were like they don’t have parents? The buses are supposed to be meant to bring essential workers to their jobs.

Now you may prepare to be jealous. At age 51, I still have never had a gray hair yet. Not anywhere or ever in my lifetime. My mother who is 79.5 just started getting some gray on her in the last decade, but really not very much. My father doesn’t have it either. Maybe a little at the, forgetting the term, by the ears. And he is 85. I do however, believe that I’m going to need a serious nail appointment, and the double, when this time passes. And this upsets me too! Because up until maybe a couple of days ago people are still hanging out and nail salons and hair salons! How on earth is that a great idea for social distancing? I mean I do feel sorry for the salons and any other small business. I do have great compassion. But if we all shut everything down for two weeks then maybe we could start re-opening and setting the economy back to rights. I cannot figure out what’s impossible to understand about the situation. So we are annoyed. I want our staying home to mean something. Software of night ever


message 216: by Joanne (last edited Mar 22, 2020 05:39AM) (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12587 comments Jgrace wrote: "I'm feeling a bit guilty because my retired life is not much different...

I have been wondering, as my roots also pop through, will I be grey like my mother, or white like my mother...I too am leading a somewhat similar existence, so stupid thoughts like this are keeping me occupied 😂


message 217: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments I'm glad my two teenagers have found new ways of entertaining themselves and being with friends in other ways. I had honestly expected a lot of resistance, especially from my oldest, but they seem to accept and adjust to the situation. Yesterday they used their saturday evening in virtual space to respectively play Dungeons and Dragons and Scribble with their friends via videochat :)


message 218: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15561 comments LibraryCin wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers...."


NYC MTA just started same...which means rides are free as the Metrocard box is by the driver. Exceptions is need handicap assist or if taking SBS (limited double buses) you still have tou use you Metrocard to get a ticket at the stop.


message 219: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15561 comments NancyJ wrote: "Jen wrote: "Closed borders....."

Jen, remind us, where do you live?

My husband grew up on an Island, and they’re trying to keep the summer people from spending their isolation period on the isla..."


I was just reading about what the Hamptons out on the tip of Long Island are experiencing. Terrible. My family owns a farm in a rural community upstate. Not only have I too much work to place myself 200+ mikes away from NYC, why would I put myself somewhere with very limited medical resources? NYC will get more aid first and has resources to tap to cope.


message 220: by Karin (last edited Mar 22, 2020 10:24AM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Cheryl wrote: "Small Rant Ahead;
My husband drives a city bus. This puts both of us at more risk. The bus company has decided for the safety of all buses would be considered full at 12 passengers. Schools are cl..."


Not all teens can be controlled all of the time even by good parents. I knew all of the tricks so was very strict with my kids. On the one hand, some parents may be negligible, but on the other hand many teens lie a lot to their parents and some of these teens have parents working in essential services.

When I was a teen respected most adults, but I had absolutely no respect for a few adults. I sometimes lied to my parents and wasn't where I said I was, but I did my chores and didn't cuss them out, etc. I outgrew that by age 17.


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Jgrace | 3945 comments Joanne wrote: "Jgrace wrote: "I'm feeling a bit guilty because my retired life is not much different...

I have been wondering, as my roots also pop through, will I be grey like my mother, or white like my mother..."


Truthfully, I'm more concerned about my stylist than I am about my hair. After 20 or more years of haircuts, she is my friend first. I know she has a autoimmune disorder so she absolutely should not work. But, loss of income is no joke for someone who is self employed.


message 222: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Jgrace wrote: "Joanne wrote: "Jgrace wrote: "I'm feeling a bit guilty because my retired life is not much different...

I have been wondering, as my roots also pop through, will I be grey like my mother, or white..."


Yes, we're self-employed. Thankfully, my husband has been able to work and there is no reason that he can't work outdoors as the weather improves. He usually works alone when no one is home or around. After a very slow February, we are happy he has some work.

As for me, I have very few students and there is one family I'll teach if they still want me to come because they are all at home (he is working from home and all their other activities have been cancelled). But if push comes to shove, we might be able to figure out online lessons, which is what most of my piano-teaching friends are doing now.


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LibraryCin | 11697 comments Theresa wrote: "Exceptions is need handicap assist ..."

Yes, this is an exception in our city, as well.

And someone else mentioned it's a good idea for those buses that have a back door. Yes, of course, there are a few smaller buses that only have the one door, so it's not an option for those, but I don't think there are very many of those in my city.


message 224: by LibraryCin (new)

LibraryCin | 11697 comments I really worry about the small businesses out there.

Grey hairs - I think I was 21 when I found my first one. They've grown in very very slowly since, but I don't worry about them. (Although I panicked a bit at the time!) I've never coloured my hair to get rid of the grey (though I have just for something different once in a while).

Now, at 47, I have some in my bangs, but the majority is behind my ears. I have long hair and there are large bunches of grey that have grown there, so there are a couple of grey streaks behind my ears... more noticeable if I pull my hair back. But, I think it looks kind of cool! I like the way it's grown in. :-)


message 225: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments Grey hair: I have none, I'm 44. My dad isn't grey yet either - he's 70. His dad, my paternal granddad only got grey hair after a lung collapse in which he was technically dead for a few minutes, at the age of 76... My brother has grey hair, he's 46
He's not pleased with being jumped by genetics in that respect.


message 226: by Karin (last edited Mar 22, 2020 12:38PM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Grey hair: I only started dying my hair about 22 months ago since mine was very slow, but I don't have a lot of patience and it's time to go a bit lighter so I've been wearing a hat when out all winter until my roots grow long enough for a long pixie cut so I'm not cutting it anyway, but this would never be my biggest problem (well, unless I had to visit with my mother who, at nearly 82, has barely any grey and doesn't dye it--some genetic thing). But Johanne is 3 years younger than my youngest brother and I'm the eldest of 5 kids. I don't put out my birth year online due to the fact that my married surname isn't particularly common.

I hadn't even noticed people freaking out over this (aka joking about it, etc) on FB when I went there the other day.


message 227: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Coppens | 599 comments Funny story about grey hair. My father in law used to brag about how he had very few grey hairs. After he passed away we had to go clean out his house. I think he had more Grecian formula for men in his bathroom than most small drug stores!!! Now my husband doesn't feel so bad about all his grey hair!


message 228: by Jgrace (new)

Jgrace | 3945 comments I'm so glad I introduced the hair dye topic! ( Should I start a separate thread?) It's so much more fun to talk about my graying roots than hand washing and toilet paper hoarding!


message 229: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15561 comments My dad did not get grey hair until his 70s and still had mostly dark hait when he died at 96. The german side of the family basically went iron grey late and incompletely. 2 of my sisters inherited this. Three of us inherited the Irish early white.

Genetics dictates it all.


message 230: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Theresa wrote: "My dad did not get grey hair until his 70s and still had mostly dark hait when he died at 96. The german side of the family basically went iron grey late and incompletely. 2 of my sisters inherited..."

Well, my mother won the genetic lottery with her hair--it's going grey even more slowly than her mother's did, and her surviving younger sisters have significantly more than she does. My dad has white hear. But mostly I'm just happy that my hair hasn't thinned out. It's less grey than average for my age, but one of my few vanity points is not appearing greyer than my mother.


message 231: by LibraryCin (last edited Mar 22, 2020 08:14PM) (new)

LibraryCin | 11697 comments Oh, my grey hair comes from my dad's side. One of his sisters was grey in her 20s, I think he said (though she dyed hers for decades!) I think I still have more grey hair than my mom (at 69!). :-)


message 232: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Apparently they have tested a large segment of the population of Iceland, and about 50 percent of the people who have tested postive for the Coronavirus have any symptoms at al and about 50 percent have only minor symptoms. This is the only country testing a broad part of their population. I am hoping that my Icelandic genes (slightly more than half, since my mother is 100 percent Icelandic genetically) rule here and on the good side! https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/21/...

Here are some charts and graphs, etc that don't discuss that part of it
https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/...

So, Iceland is able to lead the way in a broad study because they have been able to test so many people. The fact that there are only more than 360,000 people in the country that has been isolated many times in history does come into play, for sure, BUT it is possible that this will hold for much of the world if not all of it.


message 233: by Elise (new)

Elise (ellinou) I just got an email from my library informing us that they'll stay closed until May 12th. They closed on March 13th. Luckily I have enough unread books at home that I could probably last for a whole year with them (won't keep my first stop when everything reopens from being the library though).

In other news this is my 9th day without leaving the apartment, 5th day without physically interacting with another human being, and my living room lamp just died. I don't have a replacement lightbulb and as my dad and I are both in the vulnerable population (we don't live together and he's the one who usually fixes stuff like that for me), I'm kind of living in the dark when the sun goes down. Fun.


message 234: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 26, 2020 09:22AM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Karin wrote: "Apparently they have tested a large segment of the population of Iceland, and about 50 percent of the people who have tested postive for the Coronavirus have any symptoms at al and about 50 percent..."

That’s interesting that the death rate is so much lower there than in other countries.

It could be that other countries tested only the very sick people, so the mortality rate appears larger because the denominator is much lower than in Iceland.

Or because people in Iceland are healthier with less lung disease.

Or because so far only young healthy people in Iceland have been exposed.

Or because many were caught early, and they still might get much sicker.

Or because the tests are not equally accurate. If the manufacturing or test conditions differ, the tests in some countries might have more false positives or false negatives.

The shortage of test kits here is making it harder to really know how many people have it.

Added... the article says that the US is among the worst when it comes to testing. Why is that I wonder?


message 235: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11084 comments Elise wrote: "I just got an email from my library informing us that they'll stay closed until May 12th. They closed on March 13th. Luckily I have enough unread books at home that I could probably last for a whol..."

Oh no! I haven’t been out of the house since Friday the 13th and I don’t mind at all, but it would be harder without lightbulbs. Maybe you could call ahead to a hardware store and ask them to have it ready at the counter for you. That way you’d have minimal contact.


message 236: by Nicole R (new)

Nicole R (drnicoler) | 8088 comments If you call a local hardware store they might even bring it to your car!


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Meli (melihooker) | 4165 comments NancyJ wrote: "Added... the article says that the US is among the worst when it comes to testing. Why is that I wonder?"

You mean why we are the worst?
My understanding is there is some regulation where suitable tests are not approved by the FDA / CDC so even though we could test we are not allowed to use them.... that's one reason. Until very recently (maybe still?) we weren't even testing people who hadn't been to China, so there were all these infected people with systems who didn't meet the criteria for testing... unless you are a celebrity or in the NBA.

I feel like we have better informed medical professionals in PBT who might be able to speak to that better 😂


message 238: by Karin (last edited Mar 26, 2020 11:20AM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments NancyJ wrote: "Karin wrote: "Apparently they have tested a large segment of the population of Iceland, and about 50 percent of the people who have tested postive for the Coronavirus have any symptoms at al and ab..."

The difference is because they are testing almost everyone as opposed to only those with symptoms--that's a given :)

BUT there could be variations in some of the statistics in populations with very different demographics or lifestyles.

FYI Iceland is small, but well educated, has 100 percent literacy and so the science will be sound overall. That said, it's not controlled by the FDA--that only controls the States, sometimes for better and sometimes not because it is comprise of people and people are never perfect.


message 239: by Meli (new)

Meli (melihooker) | 4165 comments Here is a helpful article as well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...


message 240: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Meli wrote: "Here is a helpful article as well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar..."


Yes to all of this!


message 241: by Hilde (new)

Hilde (hilded) | 472 comments Meli wrote: "Here is a helpful article as well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar..."


Not being political here, but I really feel for you Americans having to depend on such a ** to be in the frontseat during this crisis. I hope that after all this is done, it will lead to his downfall (not literally of course) and that he doesn't get elected again. I must say, as a foreigner looking at this from an outside perspective, he is really making more a fool of himself than ever. **

**Don't mean any offense for those of you that voted for him, this is basically everyone's opinion over here far away.


message 242: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12587 comments Hilde wrote: "Meli wrote: "Here is a helpful article as well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar..."

Not being political here, but I really feel for y..."


Well Hilde-for a really terrible minute there, I was starting to believe that he would get re-elected. If he does after this, I will be livid and wash my hands of this whole sorry-assed place. NPR (National Public Broadcasting) issued a statement yesterday that they will no longer cover his C-19 briefings live. They said these briefings are only causing more mis-information to get to out. About time someone stood up and said this!

Rant over


message 243: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments We feel for you.


message 244: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12932 comments You are speaking for anyone and anyone who is living through this ridiculousness. Multiple new stations refuse to even hear his public broadcasts. And we’re all losing our lives and our economy and our interests and leisure and life goals due to this ridiculousness of his inability to help us get through this. I think when you hear that he has a likelihood to get reelected, it’s because he is out there posting these high poles. It’s not gonna happen. I just wish he knew it wasn’t going to happen long before the coronavirus. That even before that, that we saw through him and was going to boot him out on his ass with all of his old cronies in the Senate. I’m sorry he’s going to look back on this and think that it was the Chinese virus that killed him, or the media. He should know he would have been out anyway. Americans are smarter than he thinks they are.


message 245: by Nicole R (new)

Nicole R (drnicoler) | 8088 comments Let me just say that I do not support Trump, but, even after all of this, I will be shocked if he is not re-elected.


message 246: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12587 comments I wish I could agree with you Amy, but I have to go with Nicole on this one. Too many people are disillusioned and they just don't believe anything will change by electing some other white rich guy. We can only hope and pray that the states he is now slapping in the face see the light and prove me wrong


message 247: by Nicole R (new)

Nicole R (drnicoler) | 8088 comments I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong! lol


message 248: by Hilde (new)

Hilde (hilded) | 472 comments Joanne wrote: "NPR (National Public Broadcasting) issued a statement yesterday that they will no longer cover his C-19 briefings live. They said these briefings are only causing more mis-information to get to out. About time someone stood up and said this!"

Glad to hear that! :)


message 249: by Hilde (new)

Hilde (hilded) | 472 comments Nicole R wrote: "I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong! lol"

Fingers crossed you'll be proven wrong! ;)


message 250: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12932 comments In my opinion, if Trump does win again, we can always blame Bernie Sanders for putting his ego above the country, and not being supportive to the Democrats. And still the young people love him! If Trump does get reelected, it’s partly Bernie to blame. His behavior has been shameful in my humble opinion. He wants to be the one to beat Trump. And ragging on Joe does not support the cause. They could have discussed ideological differences and approaches, rather than the way BS behaved, and continues to behave. If I can’t understand what the people see in Trump, I also can’t understand what they see in BS. These are dangerous times. I do sincerely hope my Joe pulls it out!


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